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Before I saw this article I wrote a draft ( Draft:Twitch Plays Pokemon). I'll look at merging it in to here later. Samwalton9 ( talk) 15:57, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm working on Merging it now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harraseda ( talk • contribs) 17:06, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't have time to look for one now, but I can say that for an NFCC image, a picture of the stream while they were stuck in the Rocket base (with all the one-way panels) is perfect for this, as we can document the fact that the game was stuck there for a day due to the randomness (from the ars tech article [1] explains that the democracy mode was added due to that point. -- MASEM ( t) 19:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
There really needs to be some kind of video footage of the stream. The screenshot is nice, but it doesn't show the chaos and the sheer number of commands being sent every second. A 30-60 second video would make it much clearer. CodeCat ( talk) 18:08, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Joepnl ( talk) 21:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Please don't update the viewership or player numbers based on the stats reported at Twitch, as with the numbers still changing those numbers are unreliable. It is better to cite a fixed source (eg like this CNN article [2] that gives the number about 10.6 m as of today) that we update. Ideally when the experiment is over, we'll have a total view count we can report from some source. -- MASEM ( t) 23:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
"The game has been an example of infinite monkey theorem, that effectively random input to a game still ultimately comes out with forward progress in the game"
I'm pretty sure this game is nothing like the infinite monkey theorem: The input is not entirely random (or quite frankly, even close to random). Its an analogy I see used in many of the commentaries, but they are not exactly experts on the Infinite Monkey Theorem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StarDolph ( talk • contribs) 02:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't Pidgeot, Drowzee, and Dux the Farfetch'd be mentioned since they're been on the journey the longest? Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 03:15, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Actually Pidgeot has become a meme where they refer to it as "bird jesus" since its about 20 levels higher than the rest of the team and wins most of the battles. Drowzee has also been called the keeper of the helix fossil. Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 17:09, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
I think I found a credible source for it... I guess you can undo my addition if the source isn't good. Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 17:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
What about how Flareon is treated as a villain and The Keeper (Drowzee) ? They've been mentioned in memes more than Abby and Jay Leno were. Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 05:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
And now XKCD has made a webcomic that references the experiment. Its rollover is hilarious though. [3] GamerPro64 14:49, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Honestly with the amount of media attention this has gotten from places like CNN, XKCD is faaaaaar back in the list of things that should be on this page. To be honest I'd wager TPP is far more popular than XKCD ever was even at its highest. 76.98.53.123 ( talk) 22:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Really, this website is hardly "Know Your Meme", this is purely a flash-in-the-pan attention grabber that will inevitable slowly fizzle away into obscurity in a few months, is this really the type of information we need polluting up wikipedia? Keep this sort of stuff to the niche websites that cater to the internet subcultre in all it's transitory glory. 109.151.20.9 ( talk) 19:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
This seems like the type of thing that mathematicians and scientists would take an interest in to study probability and human psychology. Does anyone know if any scientists or mathematicians are doing some kind of study on this and have reliable sources for it? 176.254.130.133 ( talk) 21:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
From my talk page:
So why did you just remove a whole bunch of content only because it was inside brackets? ViperSnake151 Talk 05:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
@ ViperSnake151: I removed it for two reasons:
-- Izno ( talk) 13:41, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
I just removed them for an entirely different reason; it was fancruft. Using Wikipedia to encourage Helix worship is ridiculously dumb. -- 216.165.254.97 ( talk) 08:02, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
"the nicknames are, mainly because it also shows that the erratic control scheme also gave their Pokemon erratic nicknames" This is WP:OR. If you don't have a citation for it, then the information needs to go. And if it can be cited, the information needs to be made part of the article proper. I will re-remove the information unless the situation improves. You now have two editors contesting the content.
"Tetris one was controlled using the TPP inputs, as this is an example of meta humor" Needs more citation, less WP:OR.
Fundamentally, not only is it trivial, but the reason it seems to be in the article is original research. We need to stick to the facts as commented on by reliable sources. -- Izno ( talk) 02:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I see that the names have been re-added to the article. I still contest this on the grounds that it is extraneous/trivial/fancruft. Just to verify, though, is Kotaku (the source used) considered a reliable source? I'm not trying to belittle the point, but I was under the impression that it was a tabloid/gossip blog. Either way, this will be my final message concerning this issue. -- 216.165.254.97 ( talk) 05:08, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I plan to invite WP:VG to give feedback on this issue, as I still have the same concerns.
As for Kotaku, it's on the reliable sources list at WP:VG with a caution against using it for certain types of information. -- Izno ( talk) 14:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I did some rewriting as to remove unnecessary parenthetical but keeping the appropriate information. We should be approaching this article not as a video game but as almost like the results of a sports game, that the actual specifics of what happened in the Pokemon game is less important than the specifics of how the chat/game interaction when. Where we have to discuss the specifics of Pokemon, which is specifically discussing a few memes that came from it, then a brief intro is appropriate and I moved those into the reception section about the memes that came out of this. -- MASEM ( t) 15:30, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't want to end up in an edit war, so I was wondering if the community could reach consensus on mentioning in the intro that "Twitch Plays Pokemon is a social experiment." Do you believe this is pertinent or no? Thanks, Bananasoldier ( talk) 07:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
The cited Kotaku article states that the Twitch community is still searching for the Secret Key in order to face Blaine, which is the seventh gym, but the corresponding Wikipedia section says they've already defeated it for some reason. 172.9.77.235 ( talk) 21:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The stream defeated the Elite Four. Lance's Dragonite was taken down by the team's Venomoth. This needs to be added ASAP. -- Matt723star ( talk) 21:10, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
They finished this thing about half an hour ago. Just sayin' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.55.220 ( talk) 09:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
It could be noted, that the amount of players, who were actually participating, was never displayed next to the stream. In order to find out how many were playing, you had to either connect to the chat via IRC, or look it up in the API [4]. However, since the Description/FAQ stated that the controlling chat moved from a "production" to an "event" server, I'm unsure whether the API method yields a correct result.
Furthermore I'm not sure whether the chat displayed next to the stream (on the website) was also the controlling chat on the event server, or in fact still the production server. -- 185.23.224.18 ( talk) 12:36, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Given that it sounds like another game will be starting tomorrow, I think it is important to stress that this article should be less about the specifics of the game that is being being played and more on the overall phenomena and things that fall out from it. This will apply to the second (and any subsequent) games that occur. -- MASEM ( t) 17:48, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I feel that the article needs a section for the pokemon in the final party, and how they got there. I bet everyone wants to know how we got zapdos, and how Omanyte (helix god) got into the party. Probably not the highest priority, but the more info, the better, I say! 75.71.70.14 ( talk) 19:23, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
BBC article - http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26417482. Might be good to add some description of what "democracy" mode actually does. Chris857 ( talk) 16:16, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I had used DMY dates mainly because the "project" has ties (i.e. the author is from) to Australia, but would it matter if we used MDY instead, since it's not really "tied" to a particular country? ViperSnake151 Talk 02:56, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn’t “Pokémon”, as the title of a game, be italicized in the title of the stream? Shouldn’t we use “Twitch Plays Pokémon”? I’m pretty sure that’s consistent with our MOS and with the practice in similar titles-within-titles throughout Wikipedia, so I’ll just make that fix. — 173.199.215.5 ( talk) 05:35, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
There is a countdown on the twitch stream itself couting down to Pokémon firered. Is that a valid Source – It probably is because it is a primary source where everything else bases their news stories, but I just wanted to check first before I added it-- Ditto51 ( My Talk Page) 09:35, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Can someone please add that they are on Black 2? (They started 19 minutes ago) Thanks 107.130.160.242 ( talk) 04:19, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
A while ago, I added TPP to the See also section in KvtW. It was reverted quickly, and when I brought it up on the talk page, a strong consensus formed that the two articles were not sufficiently related. Thus, I removed KvtW from the See also section here for symmetry, but that edit too was reverted. What does everyone think? Tezero ( talk) 19:02, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Howdy, I was the person who originally added KvtW to the See also section. I think it should be included on TPP, but not the inverse; people reading about TPP are interested in the social phenomenon while people reading about KvtW are interested in the actual game (as you can tell by the article's layout). Thus, readers of TPP would likely be interested in KvtW, but readers of KvtW would not likely be interested in TPP. I think it's a good, interesting addition. Will wait a couple days before reverting to see if anyone has input. 216.14.144.147 ( talk) 09:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
This was mentioned up above, but no one seems to have said anything about it, so worth bringing up again: How reliable is Dorkly? There's nothing about it on WP:VG/RS, and it seems to be good, but I'd like to make sure. We've got http://www.dorkly.com/post/59332/there-are-thousands-of-people-trying-to-play-the-same-game-of-pokemon (the one from above), which has assorted updates but was originally written two days into the stream, and http://www.dorkly.com/post/59505/the-majesty-of-twitch-plays-pokemon, which is a timeline of the whole thing. They would both be valuable sources, but that's dependent upon their reliability. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 02:19, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
-- Coin945 ( talk) 23:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Would it be possible to create a separate section detailing the fan community and what viral works and proceedings spawned from the stream, as it was a large part of what made the phenomenon so entertaining and involved? Merrinote ( talk) 06:16, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
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Before I saw this article I wrote a draft ( Draft:Twitch Plays Pokemon). I'll look at merging it in to here later. Samwalton9 ( talk) 15:57, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm working on Merging it now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harraseda ( talk • contribs) 17:06, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't have time to look for one now, but I can say that for an NFCC image, a picture of the stream while they were stuck in the Rocket base (with all the one-way panels) is perfect for this, as we can document the fact that the game was stuck there for a day due to the randomness (from the ars tech article [1] explains that the democracy mode was added due to that point. -- MASEM ( t) 19:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
There really needs to be some kind of video footage of the stream. The screenshot is nice, but it doesn't show the chaos and the sheer number of commands being sent every second. A 30-60 second video would make it much clearer. CodeCat ( talk) 18:08, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Joepnl ( talk) 21:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Please don't update the viewership or player numbers based on the stats reported at Twitch, as with the numbers still changing those numbers are unreliable. It is better to cite a fixed source (eg like this CNN article [2] that gives the number about 10.6 m as of today) that we update. Ideally when the experiment is over, we'll have a total view count we can report from some source. -- MASEM ( t) 23:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
"The game has been an example of infinite monkey theorem, that effectively random input to a game still ultimately comes out with forward progress in the game"
I'm pretty sure this game is nothing like the infinite monkey theorem: The input is not entirely random (or quite frankly, even close to random). Its an analogy I see used in many of the commentaries, but they are not exactly experts on the Infinite Monkey Theorem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StarDolph ( talk • contribs) 02:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't Pidgeot, Drowzee, and Dux the Farfetch'd be mentioned since they're been on the journey the longest? Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 03:15, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Actually Pidgeot has become a meme where they refer to it as "bird jesus" since its about 20 levels higher than the rest of the team and wins most of the battles. Drowzee has also been called the keeper of the helix fossil. Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 17:09, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
I think I found a credible source for it... I guess you can undo my addition if the source isn't good. Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 17:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
What about how Flareon is treated as a villain and The Keeper (Drowzee) ? They've been mentioned in memes more than Abby and Jay Leno were. Mrmoustache14 ( talk) 05:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
And now XKCD has made a webcomic that references the experiment. Its rollover is hilarious though. [3] GamerPro64 14:49, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Honestly with the amount of media attention this has gotten from places like CNN, XKCD is faaaaaar back in the list of things that should be on this page. To be honest I'd wager TPP is far more popular than XKCD ever was even at its highest. 76.98.53.123 ( talk) 22:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Really, this website is hardly "Know Your Meme", this is purely a flash-in-the-pan attention grabber that will inevitable slowly fizzle away into obscurity in a few months, is this really the type of information we need polluting up wikipedia? Keep this sort of stuff to the niche websites that cater to the internet subcultre in all it's transitory glory. 109.151.20.9 ( talk) 19:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
This seems like the type of thing that mathematicians and scientists would take an interest in to study probability and human psychology. Does anyone know if any scientists or mathematicians are doing some kind of study on this and have reliable sources for it? 176.254.130.133 ( talk) 21:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
From my talk page:
So why did you just remove a whole bunch of content only because it was inside brackets? ViperSnake151 Talk 05:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
@ ViperSnake151: I removed it for two reasons:
-- Izno ( talk) 13:41, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
I just removed them for an entirely different reason; it was fancruft. Using Wikipedia to encourage Helix worship is ridiculously dumb. -- 216.165.254.97 ( talk) 08:02, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
"the nicknames are, mainly because it also shows that the erratic control scheme also gave their Pokemon erratic nicknames" This is WP:OR. If you don't have a citation for it, then the information needs to go. And if it can be cited, the information needs to be made part of the article proper. I will re-remove the information unless the situation improves. You now have two editors contesting the content.
"Tetris one was controlled using the TPP inputs, as this is an example of meta humor" Needs more citation, less WP:OR.
Fundamentally, not only is it trivial, but the reason it seems to be in the article is original research. We need to stick to the facts as commented on by reliable sources. -- Izno ( talk) 02:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I see that the names have been re-added to the article. I still contest this on the grounds that it is extraneous/trivial/fancruft. Just to verify, though, is Kotaku (the source used) considered a reliable source? I'm not trying to belittle the point, but I was under the impression that it was a tabloid/gossip blog. Either way, this will be my final message concerning this issue. -- 216.165.254.97 ( talk) 05:08, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I plan to invite WP:VG to give feedback on this issue, as I still have the same concerns.
As for Kotaku, it's on the reliable sources list at WP:VG with a caution against using it for certain types of information. -- Izno ( talk) 14:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I did some rewriting as to remove unnecessary parenthetical but keeping the appropriate information. We should be approaching this article not as a video game but as almost like the results of a sports game, that the actual specifics of what happened in the Pokemon game is less important than the specifics of how the chat/game interaction when. Where we have to discuss the specifics of Pokemon, which is specifically discussing a few memes that came from it, then a brief intro is appropriate and I moved those into the reception section about the memes that came out of this. -- MASEM ( t) 15:30, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't want to end up in an edit war, so I was wondering if the community could reach consensus on mentioning in the intro that "Twitch Plays Pokemon is a social experiment." Do you believe this is pertinent or no? Thanks, Bananasoldier ( talk) 07:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
The cited Kotaku article states that the Twitch community is still searching for the Secret Key in order to face Blaine, which is the seventh gym, but the corresponding Wikipedia section says they've already defeated it for some reason. 172.9.77.235 ( talk) 21:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The stream defeated the Elite Four. Lance's Dragonite was taken down by the team's Venomoth. This needs to be added ASAP. -- Matt723star ( talk) 21:10, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
They finished this thing about half an hour ago. Just sayin' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.55.220 ( talk) 09:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
It could be noted, that the amount of players, who were actually participating, was never displayed next to the stream. In order to find out how many were playing, you had to either connect to the chat via IRC, or look it up in the API [4]. However, since the Description/FAQ stated that the controlling chat moved from a "production" to an "event" server, I'm unsure whether the API method yields a correct result.
Furthermore I'm not sure whether the chat displayed next to the stream (on the website) was also the controlling chat on the event server, or in fact still the production server. -- 185.23.224.18 ( talk) 12:36, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Given that it sounds like another game will be starting tomorrow, I think it is important to stress that this article should be less about the specifics of the game that is being being played and more on the overall phenomena and things that fall out from it. This will apply to the second (and any subsequent) games that occur. -- MASEM ( t) 17:48, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I feel that the article needs a section for the pokemon in the final party, and how they got there. I bet everyone wants to know how we got zapdos, and how Omanyte (helix god) got into the party. Probably not the highest priority, but the more info, the better, I say! 75.71.70.14 ( talk) 19:23, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
BBC article - http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26417482. Might be good to add some description of what "democracy" mode actually does. Chris857 ( talk) 16:16, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I had used DMY dates mainly because the "project" has ties (i.e. the author is from) to Australia, but would it matter if we used MDY instead, since it's not really "tied" to a particular country? ViperSnake151 Talk 02:56, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn’t “Pokémon”, as the title of a game, be italicized in the title of the stream? Shouldn’t we use “Twitch Plays Pokémon”? I’m pretty sure that’s consistent with our MOS and with the practice in similar titles-within-titles throughout Wikipedia, so I’ll just make that fix. — 173.199.215.5 ( talk) 05:35, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
There is a countdown on the twitch stream itself couting down to Pokémon firered. Is that a valid Source – It probably is because it is a primary source where everything else bases their news stories, but I just wanted to check first before I added it-- Ditto51 ( My Talk Page) 09:35, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Can someone please add that they are on Black 2? (They started 19 minutes ago) Thanks 107.130.160.242 ( talk) 04:19, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
A while ago, I added TPP to the See also section in KvtW. It was reverted quickly, and when I brought it up on the talk page, a strong consensus formed that the two articles were not sufficiently related. Thus, I removed KvtW from the See also section here for symmetry, but that edit too was reverted. What does everyone think? Tezero ( talk) 19:02, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Howdy, I was the person who originally added KvtW to the See also section. I think it should be included on TPP, but not the inverse; people reading about TPP are interested in the social phenomenon while people reading about KvtW are interested in the actual game (as you can tell by the article's layout). Thus, readers of TPP would likely be interested in KvtW, but readers of KvtW would not likely be interested in TPP. I think it's a good, interesting addition. Will wait a couple days before reverting to see if anyone has input. 216.14.144.147 ( talk) 09:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
This was mentioned up above, but no one seems to have said anything about it, so worth bringing up again: How reliable is Dorkly? There's nothing about it on WP:VG/RS, and it seems to be good, but I'd like to make sure. We've got http://www.dorkly.com/post/59332/there-are-thousands-of-people-trying-to-play-the-same-game-of-pokemon (the one from above), which has assorted updates but was originally written two days into the stream, and http://www.dorkly.com/post/59505/the-majesty-of-twitch-plays-pokemon, which is a timeline of the whole thing. They would both be valuable sources, but that's dependent upon their reliability. Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 02:19, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
-- Coin945 ( talk) 23:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Would it be possible to create a separate section detailing the fan community and what viral works and proceedings spawned from the stream, as it was a large part of what made the phenomenon so entertaining and involved? Merrinote ( talk) 06:16, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
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