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So this is the Tsuchinoko details. I have been playing metal gear solid 3 snake eater you see, and wondered what it was! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.98 ( talk) 19:12, April 11, 2005 (UTC)
me too :) thanks for the info, guy who wrote this (wakka?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.92.18 ( talk) 04:00, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
Wow, I don't think Doraemon should be used as a source of info. Yes, I know the Japanese wiki uses it, but it still doesn't belong there. It should belong in the 'fictional depictions' section. IIRC, the episode was about how Tsuchinoko were popular pets in the future, so the main characters go to the future in their time machine to buy a Tsuchinoko, and bring it back so they can win a prize for being the first to 'find' one. Of course they are foiled, and their rivals end up finding it first. If this is a credible story, I suggest the Time Machine article needs revising :) Identity0 23:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
It might be feasible to add a paragraph to the effect that stories about the tsuchinoko are common in children's manga like Doraemon and Chibi Maruko Chan. I think maybe a "tsuchinoko hunt" was a somewhat common game for Japanese kids to play in the Seventies and Eighties, but that now it's been forgotten. Not sure if any of that is worth including. -- Mujokan ( talk) 08:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I removed this edit from the page recently:
Now, I'm pretty confused: are there legends in El Salvador based on Japanese myth? That would be pretty interesting, if there some sort of source to site. I removed the block because it seems more likely that the author was referring to a similar cryptid from South America. -- waka 14:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
"Something similar" would possibly be a caecilian. Some species do live in Central America. Probably they heard of the Japanese myth and adapted it to their own folklore. It is interesting to consider whether the myth of the Tsuchinoko itself was inspired by a now extinct caecilian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.31.70.190 ( talk) 00:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
While I completely agree that assertions with no source should be backed marked per WP:V, it seems rather pointless to mark information that is speculation about a mythical creature as unverified. Even if there were a source, the information would still be speculation and not a verifiable fact, as the creature in question here is not verifiable fact itself. I guess what I mean is, I think that speculation about people mistaking other animals for the tsuchinoko should be clearly marked as speculation, but are otherwise impossible to further verify. I've put such data under a "Possible Explanations" header in order to indicate that the content is indeed speculation. In other areas of the document, such as the claim that references to this creature can be found in the Kojiki, are verifiable and therefore certainly require citations. But when it comes to theories about myth, {{fact}} does not seem useful. -- waka 20:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
<ref>Kojiki</ref>.
Like I said, I understand the purpose of WP:V and fully support it. The reference you've just added is excellent, and it improves the quality of the page. My specific complaint is that sourcing conjecture makes it no more useful to the reader because it is, in fact, conjecture. My suggestion was that if you feel that the possible explanation section requires citation, we should probably remove it because even with a source, it is still a non-verifiable claim. But whatever, I'm happy with the page as it stands now, so I'll leave that up to you. -- waka 18:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I understand that those of us with no first-hand exposure to Japan outside anime and video games will think that listing monsters that vaguely resemble Tsuchinoko is somehow important. It isn't. First, nothing in Pop Cult is referenced, which means it shouldn't be there to begin with. Secondly, it embarrassing to the rest of us since it gives undue weight to things that are the definition of trivia. When you're 13 years old then I can understand why noting down every time the term Tsuchinoko is mentioned in toys and games marketed for Western audiences probably feels vastly important. Once you break open an actual book, though, and do some frikkin' research that would stand up to academic inquiry, in other words take Japanese mythology seriously, then whatever you come up, video games or no, should and will go into this article. Anything else needs to be drop kicked and deleted. Duende-Poetry ( talk) 20:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Interesting. Unless I'm missing something, you seem to have lost track of what you were saying. You were talking about excluding pop culture references, not adding more of them. I don't know to what, specifically, because apparently either you were taken seriously, or else you did the deed yourself. I merely pointed out that the article is extremely minimal.
With so little information to go on, you don't think it important to note where the subject of discussion may have provided inspiration? Because I, for one, did not glean much from this, and I do know that it is common practice for Wikipedia entries to include such information where possible. So I don't understand your objection. That's all I was saying. Thetrellan ( talk) 18:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I got just as many results from 土の子 "child of dirt" which makes a lot more sense as an etymology. Y'know, being a fat snake that crawls around in the dirt. Is it possible the 'hammer' homophone was more of a joke at first? Are there any etymology history studies here?
Yeah, I agree... I'm no Japanese expert nor would I say I speak the language, but I am aware that "tsuchi" means dirt and "ko" means child. STIK2009 ( talk) 19:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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So this is the Tsuchinoko details. I have been playing metal gear solid 3 snake eater you see, and wondered what it was! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.98 ( talk) 19:12, April 11, 2005 (UTC)
me too :) thanks for the info, guy who wrote this (wakka?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.92.18 ( talk) 04:00, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
Wow, I don't think Doraemon should be used as a source of info. Yes, I know the Japanese wiki uses it, but it still doesn't belong there. It should belong in the 'fictional depictions' section. IIRC, the episode was about how Tsuchinoko were popular pets in the future, so the main characters go to the future in their time machine to buy a Tsuchinoko, and bring it back so they can win a prize for being the first to 'find' one. Of course they are foiled, and their rivals end up finding it first. If this is a credible story, I suggest the Time Machine article needs revising :) Identity0 23:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
It might be feasible to add a paragraph to the effect that stories about the tsuchinoko are common in children's manga like Doraemon and Chibi Maruko Chan. I think maybe a "tsuchinoko hunt" was a somewhat common game for Japanese kids to play in the Seventies and Eighties, but that now it's been forgotten. Not sure if any of that is worth including. -- Mujokan ( talk) 08:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I removed this edit from the page recently:
Now, I'm pretty confused: are there legends in El Salvador based on Japanese myth? That would be pretty interesting, if there some sort of source to site. I removed the block because it seems more likely that the author was referring to a similar cryptid from South America. -- waka 14:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
"Something similar" would possibly be a caecilian. Some species do live in Central America. Probably they heard of the Japanese myth and adapted it to their own folklore. It is interesting to consider whether the myth of the Tsuchinoko itself was inspired by a now extinct caecilian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.31.70.190 ( talk) 00:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
While I completely agree that assertions with no source should be backed marked per WP:V, it seems rather pointless to mark information that is speculation about a mythical creature as unverified. Even if there were a source, the information would still be speculation and not a verifiable fact, as the creature in question here is not verifiable fact itself. I guess what I mean is, I think that speculation about people mistaking other animals for the tsuchinoko should be clearly marked as speculation, but are otherwise impossible to further verify. I've put such data under a "Possible Explanations" header in order to indicate that the content is indeed speculation. In other areas of the document, such as the claim that references to this creature can be found in the Kojiki, are verifiable and therefore certainly require citations. But when it comes to theories about myth, {{fact}} does not seem useful. -- waka 20:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
<ref>Kojiki</ref>.
Like I said, I understand the purpose of WP:V and fully support it. The reference you've just added is excellent, and it improves the quality of the page. My specific complaint is that sourcing conjecture makes it no more useful to the reader because it is, in fact, conjecture. My suggestion was that if you feel that the possible explanation section requires citation, we should probably remove it because even with a source, it is still a non-verifiable claim. But whatever, I'm happy with the page as it stands now, so I'll leave that up to you. -- waka 18:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I understand that those of us with no first-hand exposure to Japan outside anime and video games will think that listing monsters that vaguely resemble Tsuchinoko is somehow important. It isn't. First, nothing in Pop Cult is referenced, which means it shouldn't be there to begin with. Secondly, it embarrassing to the rest of us since it gives undue weight to things that are the definition of trivia. When you're 13 years old then I can understand why noting down every time the term Tsuchinoko is mentioned in toys and games marketed for Western audiences probably feels vastly important. Once you break open an actual book, though, and do some frikkin' research that would stand up to academic inquiry, in other words take Japanese mythology seriously, then whatever you come up, video games or no, should and will go into this article. Anything else needs to be drop kicked and deleted. Duende-Poetry ( talk) 20:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Interesting. Unless I'm missing something, you seem to have lost track of what you were saying. You were talking about excluding pop culture references, not adding more of them. I don't know to what, specifically, because apparently either you were taken seriously, or else you did the deed yourself. I merely pointed out that the article is extremely minimal.
With so little information to go on, you don't think it important to note where the subject of discussion may have provided inspiration? Because I, for one, did not glean much from this, and I do know that it is common practice for Wikipedia entries to include such information where possible. So I don't understand your objection. That's all I was saying. Thetrellan ( talk) 18:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I got just as many results from 土の子 "child of dirt" which makes a lot more sense as an etymology. Y'know, being a fat snake that crawls around in the dirt. Is it possible the 'hammer' homophone was more of a joke at first? Are there any etymology history studies here?
Yeah, I agree... I'm no Japanese expert nor would I say I speak the language, but I am aware that "tsuchi" means dirt and "ko" means child. STIK2009 ( talk) 19:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)