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Fetishes on cross dressing
The discussion was at Talk:Petticoat Discipline. The upshot, as far as I can see it that there is nothing wrong with an article on petticoating per se. There were however serious problems with your article, it's unreferenced, ill-defined and written in the style of an essay.
The fact that your article its getting pasted all over Wikipedia doesn't help much either. Dr Zak 01:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Nice try, Gpscholar, but the one who persistanly moved the Pettycoating article into this one was you. I also doubt that anybody would mind an NPOV article about that pettycoat-thingy, under an appropriate title. And as your moving mania shows, you should know enough about WP to retrive the article in question. Therefore, this complaint is obviously made in bad faith. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexR ( talk • contribs)
I have proposed that the article on Autogynephilia be redirected to this article. It seems that this article is about the actual psycological diagnosis in the DSM IV which coresponds to Autogynephillia. What do the people who edit this article think of this proposal? 66.92.130.180 16:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Proposed post merge version of this article between these lines.
Transvestic fetishism is a sexual fetish for the clothing and/or role of the opposite gender. It is one of a number of Transgender behaviors and is primarily a psychiatric term as defined in the DSM Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
Transvestic fetishism, fetishistic transvestism and sometimes transvestism are also often used to describe any sexual behavior or arousal that is in any way connected to clothes of the other gender. In the most extreme form this behavior has been called “Autogynephillia”. In plain language this term means men who are attracted to the image of themselves as women. Hence they seek gender reassignment surgery.
Also, not every sexual behaviour where clothes of the other gender are involved are transvestic fetishism, they are also often used in sexual roleplay without being a fetish. Also, many transgendered people, mostly transwomen, also cross-dress, in sexual situations, before coming out.
Some male transvestic fetishists collect women's clothing, e.g. nightgowns, slips and other types of nightwear and lingerie. They may dress in these feminine garments and take photographs of themselves to live out their secret fantasies. Many men love the feeling of wearing silk or nylon and adore the silky fabric of women's nightwear and lingerie.
Most transvestic fetishists are said to be heterosexual men. As of late there are in fact studies which affirm this. Even those who seek gender reassignment surgery will remain married to their wives if they can. The studies which affirm these observations are not without controversey however.
When is it a psychiatric condition?
According to the DSM IV-TR the diagnositc criteria for this condition are.
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, in a heterosexual male, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving cross-dressing.
B.The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
Specify if: With Gender Dysphoria: if the person has persistent discomfort with gender role
Controversy
Continued inclusion in the DSM The DSM is the diagnostic and statistical manual of the American psychiatric association. Mental disorders are classified and cataloged in the DSM. Work on the DSM V has begun and there are discussions about the validity of transvestetic fetishism being a paraphillia and gender identity disorder being a mental illness. By 2010 these disorders may not be considered...disorders any more. There are mental health workers who say that it should not be an article of shame and pathologizeation to be arounsed by womens clothes. Afterall how is that so different from being aroused by a photograph of a woman?
Reactions among transwomen
The model is highly controversial and conflicts with the commonly accepted model of gender identity disorder. Some suggest that, since correlations do not establish causality, Blanchard may be mistaking a symptom of gender dysphoria for its primary cause. The model has also been questioned on the grounds that it does not properly account for the behavior and self-identification of a great many transsexual and transgender women. Proponents of the concept, who are classic, primary, "homosexual transsexuals", have asserted that "autogynephiles" are willfully deceiving others in claiming to exhibit behaviour that does not fit within it. Specifically they repeat the well known, canned, history of a "homosexual transsexual". A number of transwomen, who could be described as autogyneophilles have accepted this theory. They take the diagnosis of DSM Code 302.3 Transvestic Fetishism ( autogynephillia ) as an adequate description of themselves. Where as the alternative theories deny their desire for sex reassignment all together.
References ( I will fill this out for the actual article)
Related topics
How does the above read to you all? This seems concise and to the point and covers both concepts fairly and wihout bias.
As for my opinoion of this as a model for why some transsexuals are the way they are. I think this model is overly simplistic and faluty. A more in depth model is needed to really know what the heck is going on. Many people feel insulted by this description of what they are as being a paraphillia. A sexual disorder on the same level as peadophillia, or beastiality. I would say they are right to be offended by that. Historically what would count as a paraphillia seems to vary with time and place. So I give no weight to the idea that those designations have any meaning. -- Smartgirl62 14:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
What's the point of this proposal? Most of the information from the other article is missing. Now, it does not belong here anyway, but you know, removing material is a bad, bad, bad idea. -- John Smythe 19:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Well most of the content of the other article was POV garbage. A bunch of misdirected sour grapes. Wikipedia is not the forum for refuting or arguing for anyting. Articles should just be a dry and concise presentation of facts. Keeping trash is never a good idea. I take it you are in favor of the status quo on this issue. No need to yell Mr. Smythe. -- Smartgirl62 13:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
You think anything I have wrote is a rant. Apparently you have not seen very many rants. Nice technique though. Calling someones argument a rant is a good way to make other people ignore it. -- Smartgirl62 13:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
The problem that I see with such a merge, is that autogynephilia is a proposed etiology for transsexualism (which has its own DSM and ICD entry), while transvestic fetishism is exactly that, a fetish. TVF is an intense sexual interest in wearing female CLOTHING, while autogynephilia is an intense sexual interest to BECOME female. There is a very explicit difference here, and I don't see how mingling the two would make any sense, clarify anything, or help anyone.
At worst, it would cause an autogynephiliac transsexual to read this page and go "Oh, I just have a fetish for wearing women's clothing", when in reality they would best receiving treatment as a transsexual as soon as possible. I am not an autogynephiliac transsexual, but even I at some point wondered if this was "just a fetish", which is what I went on for at least a year as an explanation. But after reading about TVF, it was clear that this is was not what I was suffering with (yes, "suffered," my issues were causing me considerable distress and difficulty in life), and after reading about "autogynephiliac transsexuals" vs "homosexual transsexuals" from Anne Lawrence (who agrees with Blanchard quite strongly) I figured I had to be an autogynephiliac transsexual, since I sure wasn't so pronouncely placed in the homosexual transsexual category that it could be called, also Blachard and Anne Lawrence tend to have a very strong "you're A or B" attitude towards this issue no different than "you're either man, or you're woman", and anyone in the TG spectrum should easily dismiss the latter, why not the former?
I'm certainly not strictly homosexual transsexual, I've had only male-female sexual relationships in my life (as a male), but yet I see now just how unfufilling and undesired they were to me. Yet, my transsexuality is so deep that I absolutely despise my penis, I am presenting full-time as a female before I've even had hormones, and before I made my decision, I was a complete and miserable mess, who was apathetic about everything. The Autogynephilia response may represent a number of transsexuals, but it leaves out more than just the homosexual transsexuals, and the position that "if you're bi, then you're autogynephiliac" is perposterous. What kind of person working with TGs would ever even THINK that such a declination were possible? I mean, don't they deal with people in between all the time? -- Puellanivis 01:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Does the second picture really represent "Transvestic fetishism"? The person depicted look more like a woman then a man to me which would make it not an example transvestic fetishism. I could be wrong though.-- Cab88 10:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd go further than Sally. These pix add absolutely nothing to the article. GeorgeTSLC ( talk) 22:10, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
User:71.231.210.181 has included the text:
with an accompanying reference. Remembering something that happened long ago, I may have overreacted and deleted that text. Upon questioning, I've restored the text and would like more qualified people to comment. (Everybody is more qualified than I am, should be easy?) Shenme 04:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes Yes we have heard this all so mnay time before i really do fail to see why we must be continued you labled as some quite of weird peoples we are not this way at all we are just peoples like anyone else except that we want to and desire to dress and be just the opposite of the way we were born that is we want to dress in what is still refered to as women or girls clothing and really folks is it so very awful to want to be who and what you are suppose to be male and or female we are al humnas and should be accepted as what we are inside as well as out it is not some fad or weakness we are what we are and thats the way it really should be if and when you want to be or become the opposite of what you were born as theyn who is really to question it at all being labled only makes it all the harder!
Jay! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleventhdr ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Definition:
Transvestic fetishism is defined as sexual arousal by clothing belonging to the opposite sex of the subject.
The Transvestic fetishism is contrary to homosexual fetishism, which consists in the sexual arousal by clothing belonging to the same sex of the subject.
Description:
It is complete in the principal article...
Possible Causes of Transvestic Fetishism:
According to the DSM-IV, this fetishism has been described only in heterosexual men.
The main reason why a fetishist man get aroused by women's clothing is mainly due to the material they are made garments, the softer to the touch, the greater the stimulation. In fact, is the stimulation of the erogenous zones causing sexual arousal in the fetishist man.
If a man wears woman's clothing , such as lycra stockings, made of a smooth and soft material, to the contact with the corresponding erogenous zones, including the buttocks, feet and legs, will cause sexual arousal in the man due to stimulation of the erogenous zones.
Most people think a transvestite is a homosexual, but all are heterosexual by nature with a certain homosexual attraction, as to he feels sexual arousal by seeing other men dressed in women's clothing.
This last happens for a narcissistic sexual theory that says:
"That that arouse you to wear on your own person will arouse you by seeing it in other people of your same sex."
According to this, If a man get aroused by wearing skirts, he will get aroused by seeing other men who wear skirts, even more that see women wearing them.
But both, the man and the woman who wear a skirt, will be a source of sexual arousal for him.
Classification of sexual fetishes, two categories for sexual fetishes:
A) Transvestic fetishes involving sexual objects belonging to the opposite sex.
B) Gay/homosexual fetishes that involves sexual objects belonging to the same sex.
Transvestic fetishism treatment:
The transvestic fetishism treatment consists of not wearing women´s clothing, and stay away from them and from the sight of men who wear them. Rafaelosornio ( talk) 02:20, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
A discussion about the similarity and differences among several articles including Cross-dressing, Transvestism and other related articles ( Drag (clothing), this article, Ball culture, et al.) is taking place at WT:LGBT. Your feedback is welcome. Mathglot ( talk) 22:42, 15 January 2019 (UTC) Archived. Mathglot ( talk) 23:11, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
transvetic fetishism is a made up disorder I can't find anything online about it other than it definition I can't find one person that admits to having it can't find anything in social media like facebook such as group page or webpage devoted to it nothing but it definition which is not that well define such as most people that have it or heterosexual men but then says they some times sleep with other men that would make them bisexual I think it made up disorder and should be removed from wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.118.111.22 ( talk) 18:43, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
I said any where online you idiot — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
66.118.111.22 (
talk)
14:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Can someone tell me if Glamour (presentation) is a fetish? -- 14Jenna7Caesura ( talk) 23:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Edit: Never mind, please disregard. – 104.177.77.7 ( talk) 02:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
"Regarding the fundamental question of whether autogynephiles are born or made, my intuitions are with “born.” Perhaps every day in this country, at least one adolescent boy secretly puts on his mother’s or sister’s lingerie for the first time, becomes sexually aroused, and masturbates. As far as anyone can tell, there is nothing unusual about the environments of these boys, and certainly nothing in their environments obviously contributes to their unusual preoccupation. This smells innate to me. (I do not claim to be making a strong case here.) Anecdotally, I have heard several accounts of first-degree relatives (brothers, or fathers and sons) who discovered that both were cross-dressers. The discovery was invariably after both relatives had a great deal of cross-dressing experience that they had hidden from each other. This smells genetic to me. Again, though, this is not meant to be a strong argument".
I followed Wikipedia policies for the article, like WP:RS, WP:MEDMOS, and WP:MEDRS.
Most cases of transvestism involve autogynephiliaor
The concept of autogynephilia, which is believed to underlie most cases of transvestism, was introduced in 1989 by Canadian sexologist Ray Blanchard.
I appreciate the responses. I've reassessed my aims based on the input. It's clear to me now that this subject area is very hot-button and it would be a very difficult and involved process to reach consensus on the content and complete the rewrite. I'll be honest, I shouldn't really be spending time on any of this and need to be focusing on off-wiki things. I was hoping for a reasonably fast resolution (as in the article being restored) and other editors besides myself working out any disagreements and problems with the content. But per the comments, that seems quite unlikely. I tend to get really sucked into things, so further working on the rewrite, particularly considering how controversial and contested the subject matter is, wouldn't be good for me and I can't really have. Moreover, I was enjoying myself working on the article before, and it's clear to me that further working on the rewrite from here would not be especially fun. As such, while quite painful to have put in so much work for nothing, I've accepted the situation and have decided to withdraw the content submission from consideration. Thank you for your time. – 104.177.77.7 ( talk) 02:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Fetishes on cross dressing
The discussion was at Talk:Petticoat Discipline. The upshot, as far as I can see it that there is nothing wrong with an article on petticoating per se. There were however serious problems with your article, it's unreferenced, ill-defined and written in the style of an essay.
The fact that your article its getting pasted all over Wikipedia doesn't help much either. Dr Zak 01:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Nice try, Gpscholar, but the one who persistanly moved the Pettycoating article into this one was you. I also doubt that anybody would mind an NPOV article about that pettycoat-thingy, under an appropriate title. And as your moving mania shows, you should know enough about WP to retrive the article in question. Therefore, this complaint is obviously made in bad faith. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexR ( talk • contribs)
I have proposed that the article on Autogynephilia be redirected to this article. It seems that this article is about the actual psycological diagnosis in the DSM IV which coresponds to Autogynephillia. What do the people who edit this article think of this proposal? 66.92.130.180 16:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Proposed post merge version of this article between these lines.
Transvestic fetishism is a sexual fetish for the clothing and/or role of the opposite gender. It is one of a number of Transgender behaviors and is primarily a psychiatric term as defined in the DSM Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
Transvestic fetishism, fetishistic transvestism and sometimes transvestism are also often used to describe any sexual behavior or arousal that is in any way connected to clothes of the other gender. In the most extreme form this behavior has been called “Autogynephillia”. In plain language this term means men who are attracted to the image of themselves as women. Hence they seek gender reassignment surgery.
Also, not every sexual behaviour where clothes of the other gender are involved are transvestic fetishism, they are also often used in sexual roleplay without being a fetish. Also, many transgendered people, mostly transwomen, also cross-dress, in sexual situations, before coming out.
Some male transvestic fetishists collect women's clothing, e.g. nightgowns, slips and other types of nightwear and lingerie. They may dress in these feminine garments and take photographs of themselves to live out their secret fantasies. Many men love the feeling of wearing silk or nylon and adore the silky fabric of women's nightwear and lingerie.
Most transvestic fetishists are said to be heterosexual men. As of late there are in fact studies which affirm this. Even those who seek gender reassignment surgery will remain married to their wives if they can. The studies which affirm these observations are not without controversey however.
When is it a psychiatric condition?
According to the DSM IV-TR the diagnositc criteria for this condition are.
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, in a heterosexual male, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving cross-dressing.
B.The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
Specify if: With Gender Dysphoria: if the person has persistent discomfort with gender role
Controversy
Continued inclusion in the DSM The DSM is the diagnostic and statistical manual of the American psychiatric association. Mental disorders are classified and cataloged in the DSM. Work on the DSM V has begun and there are discussions about the validity of transvestetic fetishism being a paraphillia and gender identity disorder being a mental illness. By 2010 these disorders may not be considered...disorders any more. There are mental health workers who say that it should not be an article of shame and pathologizeation to be arounsed by womens clothes. Afterall how is that so different from being aroused by a photograph of a woman?
Reactions among transwomen
The model is highly controversial and conflicts with the commonly accepted model of gender identity disorder. Some suggest that, since correlations do not establish causality, Blanchard may be mistaking a symptom of gender dysphoria for its primary cause. The model has also been questioned on the grounds that it does not properly account for the behavior and self-identification of a great many transsexual and transgender women. Proponents of the concept, who are classic, primary, "homosexual transsexuals", have asserted that "autogynephiles" are willfully deceiving others in claiming to exhibit behaviour that does not fit within it. Specifically they repeat the well known, canned, history of a "homosexual transsexual". A number of transwomen, who could be described as autogyneophilles have accepted this theory. They take the diagnosis of DSM Code 302.3 Transvestic Fetishism ( autogynephillia ) as an adequate description of themselves. Where as the alternative theories deny their desire for sex reassignment all together.
References ( I will fill this out for the actual article)
Related topics
How does the above read to you all? This seems concise and to the point and covers both concepts fairly and wihout bias.
As for my opinoion of this as a model for why some transsexuals are the way they are. I think this model is overly simplistic and faluty. A more in depth model is needed to really know what the heck is going on. Many people feel insulted by this description of what they are as being a paraphillia. A sexual disorder on the same level as peadophillia, or beastiality. I would say they are right to be offended by that. Historically what would count as a paraphillia seems to vary with time and place. So I give no weight to the idea that those designations have any meaning. -- Smartgirl62 14:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
What's the point of this proposal? Most of the information from the other article is missing. Now, it does not belong here anyway, but you know, removing material is a bad, bad, bad idea. -- John Smythe 19:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Well most of the content of the other article was POV garbage. A bunch of misdirected sour grapes. Wikipedia is not the forum for refuting or arguing for anyting. Articles should just be a dry and concise presentation of facts. Keeping trash is never a good idea. I take it you are in favor of the status quo on this issue. No need to yell Mr. Smythe. -- Smartgirl62 13:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
You think anything I have wrote is a rant. Apparently you have not seen very many rants. Nice technique though. Calling someones argument a rant is a good way to make other people ignore it. -- Smartgirl62 13:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
The problem that I see with such a merge, is that autogynephilia is a proposed etiology for transsexualism (which has its own DSM and ICD entry), while transvestic fetishism is exactly that, a fetish. TVF is an intense sexual interest in wearing female CLOTHING, while autogynephilia is an intense sexual interest to BECOME female. There is a very explicit difference here, and I don't see how mingling the two would make any sense, clarify anything, or help anyone.
At worst, it would cause an autogynephiliac transsexual to read this page and go "Oh, I just have a fetish for wearing women's clothing", when in reality they would best receiving treatment as a transsexual as soon as possible. I am not an autogynephiliac transsexual, but even I at some point wondered if this was "just a fetish", which is what I went on for at least a year as an explanation. But after reading about TVF, it was clear that this is was not what I was suffering with (yes, "suffered," my issues were causing me considerable distress and difficulty in life), and after reading about "autogynephiliac transsexuals" vs "homosexual transsexuals" from Anne Lawrence (who agrees with Blanchard quite strongly) I figured I had to be an autogynephiliac transsexual, since I sure wasn't so pronouncely placed in the homosexual transsexual category that it could be called, also Blachard and Anne Lawrence tend to have a very strong "you're A or B" attitude towards this issue no different than "you're either man, or you're woman", and anyone in the TG spectrum should easily dismiss the latter, why not the former?
I'm certainly not strictly homosexual transsexual, I've had only male-female sexual relationships in my life (as a male), but yet I see now just how unfufilling and undesired they were to me. Yet, my transsexuality is so deep that I absolutely despise my penis, I am presenting full-time as a female before I've even had hormones, and before I made my decision, I was a complete and miserable mess, who was apathetic about everything. The Autogynephilia response may represent a number of transsexuals, but it leaves out more than just the homosexual transsexuals, and the position that "if you're bi, then you're autogynephiliac" is perposterous. What kind of person working with TGs would ever even THINK that such a declination were possible? I mean, don't they deal with people in between all the time? -- Puellanivis 01:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Does the second picture really represent "Transvestic fetishism"? The person depicted look more like a woman then a man to me which would make it not an example transvestic fetishism. I could be wrong though.-- Cab88 10:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd go further than Sally. These pix add absolutely nothing to the article. GeorgeTSLC ( talk) 22:10, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
User:71.231.210.181 has included the text:
with an accompanying reference. Remembering something that happened long ago, I may have overreacted and deleted that text. Upon questioning, I've restored the text and would like more qualified people to comment. (Everybody is more qualified than I am, should be easy?) Shenme 04:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes Yes we have heard this all so mnay time before i really do fail to see why we must be continued you labled as some quite of weird peoples we are not this way at all we are just peoples like anyone else except that we want to and desire to dress and be just the opposite of the way we were born that is we want to dress in what is still refered to as women or girls clothing and really folks is it so very awful to want to be who and what you are suppose to be male and or female we are al humnas and should be accepted as what we are inside as well as out it is not some fad or weakness we are what we are and thats the way it really should be if and when you want to be or become the opposite of what you were born as theyn who is really to question it at all being labled only makes it all the harder!
Jay! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleventhdr ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Definition:
Transvestic fetishism is defined as sexual arousal by clothing belonging to the opposite sex of the subject.
The Transvestic fetishism is contrary to homosexual fetishism, which consists in the sexual arousal by clothing belonging to the same sex of the subject.
Description:
It is complete in the principal article...
Possible Causes of Transvestic Fetishism:
According to the DSM-IV, this fetishism has been described only in heterosexual men.
The main reason why a fetishist man get aroused by women's clothing is mainly due to the material they are made garments, the softer to the touch, the greater the stimulation. In fact, is the stimulation of the erogenous zones causing sexual arousal in the fetishist man.
If a man wears woman's clothing , such as lycra stockings, made of a smooth and soft material, to the contact with the corresponding erogenous zones, including the buttocks, feet and legs, will cause sexual arousal in the man due to stimulation of the erogenous zones.
Most people think a transvestite is a homosexual, but all are heterosexual by nature with a certain homosexual attraction, as to he feels sexual arousal by seeing other men dressed in women's clothing.
This last happens for a narcissistic sexual theory that says:
"That that arouse you to wear on your own person will arouse you by seeing it in other people of your same sex."
According to this, If a man get aroused by wearing skirts, he will get aroused by seeing other men who wear skirts, even more that see women wearing them.
But both, the man and the woman who wear a skirt, will be a source of sexual arousal for him.
Classification of sexual fetishes, two categories for sexual fetishes:
A) Transvestic fetishes involving sexual objects belonging to the opposite sex.
B) Gay/homosexual fetishes that involves sexual objects belonging to the same sex.
Transvestic fetishism treatment:
The transvestic fetishism treatment consists of not wearing women´s clothing, and stay away from them and from the sight of men who wear them. Rafaelosornio ( talk) 02:20, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
A discussion about the similarity and differences among several articles including Cross-dressing, Transvestism and other related articles ( Drag (clothing), this article, Ball culture, et al.) is taking place at WT:LGBT. Your feedback is welcome. Mathglot ( talk) 22:42, 15 January 2019 (UTC) Archived. Mathglot ( talk) 23:11, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
transvetic fetishism is a made up disorder I can't find anything online about it other than it definition I can't find one person that admits to having it can't find anything in social media like facebook such as group page or webpage devoted to it nothing but it definition which is not that well define such as most people that have it or heterosexual men but then says they some times sleep with other men that would make them bisexual I think it made up disorder and should be removed from wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.118.111.22 ( talk) 18:43, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
I said any where online you idiot — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
66.118.111.22 (
talk)
14:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Can someone tell me if Glamour (presentation) is a fetish? -- 14Jenna7Caesura ( talk) 23:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Edit: Never mind, please disregard. – 104.177.77.7 ( talk) 02:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
"Regarding the fundamental question of whether autogynephiles are born or made, my intuitions are with “born.” Perhaps every day in this country, at least one adolescent boy secretly puts on his mother’s or sister’s lingerie for the first time, becomes sexually aroused, and masturbates. As far as anyone can tell, there is nothing unusual about the environments of these boys, and certainly nothing in their environments obviously contributes to their unusual preoccupation. This smells innate to me. (I do not claim to be making a strong case here.) Anecdotally, I have heard several accounts of first-degree relatives (brothers, or fathers and sons) who discovered that both were cross-dressers. The discovery was invariably after both relatives had a great deal of cross-dressing experience that they had hidden from each other. This smells genetic to me. Again, though, this is not meant to be a strong argument".
I followed Wikipedia policies for the article, like WP:RS, WP:MEDMOS, and WP:MEDRS.
Most cases of transvestism involve autogynephiliaor
The concept of autogynephilia, which is believed to underlie most cases of transvestism, was introduced in 1989 by Canadian sexologist Ray Blanchard.
I appreciate the responses. I've reassessed my aims based on the input. It's clear to me now that this subject area is very hot-button and it would be a very difficult and involved process to reach consensus on the content and complete the rewrite. I'll be honest, I shouldn't really be spending time on any of this and need to be focusing on off-wiki things. I was hoping for a reasonably fast resolution (as in the article being restored) and other editors besides myself working out any disagreements and problems with the content. But per the comments, that seems quite unlikely. I tend to get really sucked into things, so further working on the rewrite, particularly considering how controversial and contested the subject matter is, wouldn't be good for me and I can't really have. Moreover, I was enjoying myself working on the article before, and it's clear to me that further working on the rewrite from here would not be especially fun. As such, while quite painful to have put in so much work for nothing, I've accepted the situation and have decided to withdraw the content submission from consideration. Thank you for your time. – 104.177.77.7 ( talk) 02:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)