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Mikkalai wrote: "Since Moldova declared independence of the Soviet Union, all political arrangements made within the Soviet Union must be considered void." This is the gist of it, but it is a sweeping overgeneralization. We need to work on this to represent the Transnistrian position more accurately ... and we need to also add a section for Position of the Moldovan side. - William Mauco 04:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
== "All political arragemenets made within the Soviet Union must be consiedered void" ????? This is just an unfortunatelly joke. I will bo the most happiest person in the world if this.
Catarcostica
06:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
False. It belonged for some (rather short) time to both the Principality of Moldavia and of Romania (during WWII). bogdan 21:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Of course, that's because we're talking about a totalitarian regime in here. If you want, I can give you links about what the international human rights organizations say about the freedom in Transnistria. bogdan 21:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I rather heavily edited the Moldovan side, not because of its POV (which is the point of labelling it as "side" and is OK in that particular section) but simply because of factual inaccuracies with regards to history. I'll be glad to document and reference each item if asked to. However, since I am probably not a very passionate representative of Moldovan POV, I would prefer to let someone else develop that section. - William Mauco 05:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I added a section detailing Moldova's arguments regarding the conflict in order to make it more neutral. Nevertheless, I don't believe that this article is of great importance as virtually all the information regarding the dispute is considered in the main Transnistria article. In any case, if you want to preserve this article, I don't believe it should built to a great lenght. It should just be an overview of the dispute and roughly retain its present size. TSO1D 15:52, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
User Greier asked for citations on the fact that Transnistria was part of Halych-Volhynia after the fall of Kievan Rus. All one has to do is to Google 'Halych-Volhynia' and 'Dniester' and dozens of historical references come up which show that Halych-Volhynia clearly covered Transnistria and even, at times, the Moldovan side of the Dniester (what would later become Bessarabia). I can cite them here if required, although in my opinion this is more appropriate for the Talk page of History of Transnistria. - Mauco 21:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Charles King: "The Moldovans", Hoover Institution Press, Stanford, California, 1999, page 94: "The decision to move across the Dnestr into Transnistria was more problematic. The two preeminent political figures of the day, Iuliu Maniu (chair of the National Peasant Party) and Constantin Bratianu (leader of the National Liberals), urged Antonescu not to take the war beyond the Dnestr. "Although the fight for the reconquest and liberation of Bessarabia and Bukovina was legitimated by the entire soul of the nation," they wrote in April 1943, "the Romanian people will never consent to the continuation of the struggle beyond our national borders." The source for this quote is a public letter from C. I. C. Bratianu and Iuliu Maniu to Ion Antonescu, April 20, 1943, which is published by AND-DAIC, f. Pantelimon Halippa, d. 1008/1941, f.3, so please do not remove it and call it unsourced. - Mauco 22:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
User Greier has asked for sources for the following statement: With the rise of Romanian nationalism in the nineteenth century, the far reaches of Transylvania were considered the western boundary of the Romanian lands[citation needed] while the Dniester formed the eastern[citation needed]. The first source is Charles King: "The Moldovans", Hoover Institution Press, Stanford, California, 1999, page 180, which says that "Even with the rise of Romanian nationalism in the nineteenth century, the far reaches of Transylvania were considered the western boundary of the Romanian lands while the Dnestr River formed the eastern. The romantic ideal of Greater Romania usually fell within these boundaries." The second source is Nicolas Dima's history of Moldova, published in 1991 as part of a series of East European Monographs, Boulder, Distributed by Columbia University Press, New York. Online at http://ivantoc.org/moldova.htm and right in the introduction it says: "From a geographical point of view, Bessarabia represents a continuation of the Romanian land with the Dnestr (Nistru in Romanian) separating the Ukrainian monotonous plains from the hilly lands of Bessarabia and the Romanian mountains." This is merely one quote out of many similar, as the text has much more of the same. And, of course, we also have our very own Greater Romania article. - Mauco 22:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I deleted this sentence entirely from the "Historical status" section of the article: Typically, most of Transistria`s Russian and Ukrainian population are not natives (born there), and even possed Russian citisenship, as most of the Transnistrian governamental aparatus. I did so because its blanket statements, in in particular the use of the word most, don't match the census results for neither 1989 or 2004. See 2004 Census in Transnistria and, for more detail, http://pridnestrovie.net/2004census.html - Mauco 23:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Greier changed this:
Although ethnic Romanians have historically been a large minority of the population, the area was never part of Romania. The territory east of the Dniester river belonged to Kievan Rus' and the kingdom of Halych-Volhynia from the ninth to the fourteenth centuries, passing to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and then into the hands of Russia in the eighteenth century
to this:
Although ethnic Romanians have historically made the largest ethnic group of the population, the area was never part of a Romanian statal entity. The territory east of the Dniester river was under the control of the Petchenegs and Cumans (see Cumania). It fell under the Mongols in the middle of the 13th century. In the 15th centur, it becamed part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and imediatelly after fell under Ottoman ruling. It becomed part of the Russian Empire in the eighteenth century.
Why was the information about Kievan Rus', Halych-Volhynia, etc. removed?? — Khoikhoi 23:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I had to remove some recent edits by Greir which took a few separate incidents and made them the central focus of some 500 years of the area's history (and, in the process, replaced other facts). To avoid these selective distorsions being re-added, I would like to call attention to the following historic facts, written from a Romanian point of view and generally accepted by all mainstream Romanian historians:
1. "The eastern boundary of Moldavia as well as the extent of the Romanian mass settlements remained, however, along the Dnestr river."
2. "During the fourteenth century, Prince Bogdan and his successors established their sovereignty over most of the land between the Carpathian mountains and the Dnestr river already populated by Romanians."
3. "Then, Prince Alexandre the Good (1400- 1432) drove the Tatars (remnants of the last great Asian invasion into Europe) beyond the Dnestr and established his boundary along the river. At the beginning, however, in the course of repopulating the new lands and extending state authority, the region between the Prut and Dnestr rivers adjacent to the Danube and the Black Sea, belonged to the Wallachian dynasty Basarab, after whom the entire province was later named."
4. "As a matter of fact, the northern and eastern boundaries of the Principality were fixed by the Prince of Moldavia and the King of Poland as early as 1433. The boundary followed the Ceremus river in the north and the Dnestr in the east, unquestionably including within Moldavia what later came to be known as Bukovina and Bessarabia. Soon after, the Moldavian princes began to fortify the Dnestr against the Tatars and built several fortresses which stand to this day. No fortress was ever built along the Prut River which flowed through the middle of the country."
5. "advancing from the west beyond Dnestr, the Romanian natural expansion encountered the Slavic colonization and the two cultures collided."
6. "1792: For the first time in history, Russia established its boundary along the Dnestr in the immediate vicinity of Moldavia. At that time, Moldavia had been in existence for almost five hundred years and her eastern boundary had been the Dnestr for all this time."
All quotes are from NICHOLAS DIMA 1991: East European Monographs, Boulder, Distributed by Columbia University Press, New York, and can be seen online at http://ivantoc.org/moldova.htm - Mauco 23:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
This sentence was added today: "The colonisation which begun during Tsarist times was greatly increased in during the Soviet Union. This lead to a decline of ethnic Moldavians in raport with Russians and Ukrainians, of which numbers continued to grow (however, ethnic Moldovans still make up the largest ethnic group)." There are 2 inconsistencies with this. First of all, 1) the sentence gives the Nicholas Dima history of Moldova as a reference. This source, however, refers to a "colonisation" begun in Tsarist times of Bessarabia (Moldova) and does not deal with this subject in reference to Transnistria. It specificially draws the line at the Dniester (see, for instance, the 6 quotes immediately above). So it should not, in my opinion, be quoted as a source for the supposed decline of ethnic Moldavians in a section dealing with the historical status of Transnistria. Second, 2) that "this lead to a decline of ethnic Moldavians" is not borne out by other sources. If anything, since 1792 the number of Moldavians and Russians both increased on the left bank of the Dniester, at the expense of Ukrainian peasants; at the time the single largest ethnic group in the area. We have dealt with this extensively in the Talk-page for History of Transnistria, giving sources. The newly added sentence ought to either be edited to correspond with the facts or else deleted altogether. - Mauco 00:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
User:Greier added some tags yesterday, claiming NPOV on this article and a disputed section. The tags says that we should see Talk. But he has not bothered to state anything in Talk. Greier, what is your POV concern? How can we help you to make the article more NPOV, in your opinion? It is a bit hard to improve if you don't let us know what you see as being biased. As far as I can tell, the article is perfectly well balanced at the currently point in time, and factually correct in every way. - Mauco 03:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Greier just replied, albeit belatedly -
I raised the issue months ago. They are:
1. for Historically, Transnistria was inhabited by Moldavian Romanians (along with Ukrainians), but the area was never considered part of the traditional lands of Romanian settlement. the issues are: Define "Romanian area of settlement". What is the relevance of ethnicity (may that be Romanian, Moldavian, Ukrainian or Russian) in a political dispute? What is the relevance of the term "Romanian" when this issue is a Rep. of Moldova vs. Separatist regime, not an ethnic conflict? Even if they have a issue with the Romanians, and aknowledge it, then why do they speak only of Moldovan people, Moldovan language, and even call the country Pridnestróvskaia Moldávskaia Respública?
2. for The territory east of the Dniester river belonged to Kievan Rus' and the kingdom of Halych-Volhynia from the ninth to the fourteenth centuries the issues are: the Kievan Rus is already on the talk of Transdniester article. As for Galicia, the claim is not backed by any sources.
3. passing to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, and then into the hands of Russia in the eighteenth century. False. Skipping a few centuries doesn`t matter.
4. for By this time, Moldavia had been in existence for almost five hundred years with the Dniester marking its eastern boundary for all this time. What is the relevance of this in the twentyfirst century? Also, why doesn`t it say that Muscovy had also been in existance for centuries, and not only Trns., but actually the wholre region norht of the Black Sea, has never been part of it until the eighteenth century ( New Russia)
5. Even with the rise of Romanian nationalism in the nineteenth century, the far reaches of Transylvania were considered the western boundary of the Romanian lands while the Dniester formed the eastern. What is the relevance of Romanian nationalism, Romanian lands??? Which is it in the end? Who are their enemies: the Romanians or the Moldavians? Or is it that they are Moldavians (see the name of the country), and are fighting against the imperialist Romanians? And for that matter, what were the western and the eastern boundaries of the Russians? The Dniester in the west and Kamchatka in the east???
6. The national poet Mihai Eminescu, in his famous poem Doina, spoke of a Romania stretching only "from the Dniester to the Tisza" and not farther east. Again: what is the relevance of the term Romanian? What is the relevance of a 19th century poem afterall????????? And how come we had even got to the point where we take a poem literally????
7. In World War II, when Romania, aided by Nazi Germany, for the first time in history took control of Transnistria there was never any attempt to annex the occupied territory beyond the Dniester for it was generally considered merely a temporary buffer zone between Greater Romania and the Soviet front line. what is THE RELEVANCE ??????????????? for God`s sake? And when the Russian Empire (then U.S.S.R) took it, what it was considered? The Holy homeland?????????
8. Transnistria had never been considered part of Bessarabia Duhh... Really intelligent observation...
9. Two preeminent political figures of the day, Iuliu Maniu and Constantin Brătianu declared that "the Romanian people will never consent to the continuation of the struggle beyond our national borders." Againg: WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE OF THE WORD "ROMANIAN". Also, I wan`t to know what were the "national borders" of the Romanian people? Where they defined in the constitution? And I wonder what the "national borders" of the Russian and Ukrainian colonist were.... Greier 09:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, it's not even directly about Molodovans vs. Transnistrians, but is about secondary issues with editing the article? AnonMoos 18:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Does this really add anything to the article? AnonMoos 16:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I may be able to find something from the tiraspol times. Is it ok to cite the tiraspol times for something that is alleged?
[2] According to this Documentary. Transnistria is de facto recognized by Russia and the Ukraine, as well as Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Should this be included... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.62.73 ( talk) 19:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I suggest the article be renamed to Political status of Transnistria. All similar articles about the disputed status are named Political status of Kosovo, Political status of Western Sahara, Political status of the Palestinian territories etc. Jan CZ ( talk) 22:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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5. Add Section on Transnistrian Identity
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I propose merging Political status of Transnistria into Transnistria conflict. I think the content in Political status of Transnistria can easily be explained in the context of Transnistria conflict, and a merger would not cause any article-size problems in Transnistria conflict. In other similar cases, there is one article - Crimean problem, Abkhaz–Georgian conflict, Georgian–Ossetian conflict, Cyprus dispute. There are also a big overlap with International recognition of Transnistria and Transnistria War, but articles are perhaps best kept separate. Somerby ( talk) 18:52, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
I am not opposed, but doesn’t it make sense to first merge International recognition of Transnistria into Political status of Transnistria, because the former is merely a major aspect of the latter? — Michael Z. 13:59, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Re this edit, I believe that we should use neutral rather than loaded terms. It's irrelevant from the policy point of view that one side is recognised and the other isn't. Transnistria considers Bender to be inside its jurisdiction btw so by your logic it can't occupy it. Alaexis ¿question? 19:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Why is there no section in this page about the conflict's casualties? If there's a military conflict, then hasn't someone died already? Dunutubble ( talk) 16:31, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
According the lead the 'Transnistria conflict' is about a conflict between newly found Moldova state and the breakaway region Transnistria, dating as far back as far as September 1990. However, i am struggling to find any overview of what the conflict is about. Not sure what relevance is the 'Historical status of Transnistria' in ninth to the fourteenth centuries?!, or why the events of 1992 War are under there, or why there is so much emphasis on positions and recognition, and very little on well the topic of article. -- Nilsol2 ( talk) 01:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm confused.
The map on this page indicates that the orange areas ('Moldovan controlled areas east of the Dniester') are under Moldovan control. If so, this would mean that Transnistria is split into two as the Moldovan areas touch the Ukraine border (specifically, the area comprising Vasilievca, Roghi, Cocieri and Corjova).
The map on this page ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Naddniestrze.png) suggests that this area is itself split into three non-contiguous chunks by Transnistrian-controlled roads.
The Geography section of the main Transnistria page suggest these areas are under the control of Joint Control Commission rules, yet the page for this does not explain how this works in practice. Either side can pass through as they wish? Transnistria can use the roads but not the lands either side? How then would Moldova access these lands? The roads are neutral?
88.107.215.235 ( talk) 21:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC) A Confused Person.
There have been several recent developments. The question is just whether this is the right page, or there's a better one in the topic cluster.
https://www.politico.eu/article/moldova-energy-crisis-inflation-russia-ukraine-war/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64626785
https://www.rferl.org/a/chisinau-protesters-rally-against-moldova-government/32278318.html
https://news.yahoo.com/zelenskyy-announced-ukraines-readiness-help-021600355.html
Very possible it could turn kinetic this spring. Sennalen ( talk) 21:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
I don't think that Nagorno-Karabakh / Artsakh exists any more... AnonMoos ( talk) 01:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Mikkalai wrote: "Since Moldova declared independence of the Soviet Union, all political arrangements made within the Soviet Union must be considered void." This is the gist of it, but it is a sweeping overgeneralization. We need to work on this to represent the Transnistrian position more accurately ... and we need to also add a section for Position of the Moldovan side. - William Mauco 04:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
== "All political arragemenets made within the Soviet Union must be consiedered void" ????? This is just an unfortunatelly joke. I will bo the most happiest person in the world if this.
Catarcostica
06:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
False. It belonged for some (rather short) time to both the Principality of Moldavia and of Romania (during WWII). bogdan 21:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Of course, that's because we're talking about a totalitarian regime in here. If you want, I can give you links about what the international human rights organizations say about the freedom in Transnistria. bogdan 21:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I rather heavily edited the Moldovan side, not because of its POV (which is the point of labelling it as "side" and is OK in that particular section) but simply because of factual inaccuracies with regards to history. I'll be glad to document and reference each item if asked to. However, since I am probably not a very passionate representative of Moldovan POV, I would prefer to let someone else develop that section. - William Mauco 05:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I added a section detailing Moldova's arguments regarding the conflict in order to make it more neutral. Nevertheless, I don't believe that this article is of great importance as virtually all the information regarding the dispute is considered in the main Transnistria article. In any case, if you want to preserve this article, I don't believe it should built to a great lenght. It should just be an overview of the dispute and roughly retain its present size. TSO1D 15:52, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
User Greier asked for citations on the fact that Transnistria was part of Halych-Volhynia after the fall of Kievan Rus. All one has to do is to Google 'Halych-Volhynia' and 'Dniester' and dozens of historical references come up which show that Halych-Volhynia clearly covered Transnistria and even, at times, the Moldovan side of the Dniester (what would later become Bessarabia). I can cite them here if required, although in my opinion this is more appropriate for the Talk page of History of Transnistria. - Mauco 21:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Charles King: "The Moldovans", Hoover Institution Press, Stanford, California, 1999, page 94: "The decision to move across the Dnestr into Transnistria was more problematic. The two preeminent political figures of the day, Iuliu Maniu (chair of the National Peasant Party) and Constantin Bratianu (leader of the National Liberals), urged Antonescu not to take the war beyond the Dnestr. "Although the fight for the reconquest and liberation of Bessarabia and Bukovina was legitimated by the entire soul of the nation," they wrote in April 1943, "the Romanian people will never consent to the continuation of the struggle beyond our national borders." The source for this quote is a public letter from C. I. C. Bratianu and Iuliu Maniu to Ion Antonescu, April 20, 1943, which is published by AND-DAIC, f. Pantelimon Halippa, d. 1008/1941, f.3, so please do not remove it and call it unsourced. - Mauco 22:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
User Greier has asked for sources for the following statement: With the rise of Romanian nationalism in the nineteenth century, the far reaches of Transylvania were considered the western boundary of the Romanian lands[citation needed] while the Dniester formed the eastern[citation needed]. The first source is Charles King: "The Moldovans", Hoover Institution Press, Stanford, California, 1999, page 180, which says that "Even with the rise of Romanian nationalism in the nineteenth century, the far reaches of Transylvania were considered the western boundary of the Romanian lands while the Dnestr River formed the eastern. The romantic ideal of Greater Romania usually fell within these boundaries." The second source is Nicolas Dima's history of Moldova, published in 1991 as part of a series of East European Monographs, Boulder, Distributed by Columbia University Press, New York. Online at http://ivantoc.org/moldova.htm and right in the introduction it says: "From a geographical point of view, Bessarabia represents a continuation of the Romanian land with the Dnestr (Nistru in Romanian) separating the Ukrainian monotonous plains from the hilly lands of Bessarabia and the Romanian mountains." This is merely one quote out of many similar, as the text has much more of the same. And, of course, we also have our very own Greater Romania article. - Mauco 22:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I deleted this sentence entirely from the "Historical status" section of the article: Typically, most of Transistria`s Russian and Ukrainian population are not natives (born there), and even possed Russian citisenship, as most of the Transnistrian governamental aparatus. I did so because its blanket statements, in in particular the use of the word most, don't match the census results for neither 1989 or 2004. See 2004 Census in Transnistria and, for more detail, http://pridnestrovie.net/2004census.html - Mauco 23:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Greier changed this:
Although ethnic Romanians have historically been a large minority of the population, the area was never part of Romania. The territory east of the Dniester river belonged to Kievan Rus' and the kingdom of Halych-Volhynia from the ninth to the fourteenth centuries, passing to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and then into the hands of Russia in the eighteenth century
to this:
Although ethnic Romanians have historically made the largest ethnic group of the population, the area was never part of a Romanian statal entity. The territory east of the Dniester river was under the control of the Petchenegs and Cumans (see Cumania). It fell under the Mongols in the middle of the 13th century. In the 15th centur, it becamed part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and imediatelly after fell under Ottoman ruling. It becomed part of the Russian Empire in the eighteenth century.
Why was the information about Kievan Rus', Halych-Volhynia, etc. removed?? — Khoikhoi 23:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I had to remove some recent edits by Greir which took a few separate incidents and made them the central focus of some 500 years of the area's history (and, in the process, replaced other facts). To avoid these selective distorsions being re-added, I would like to call attention to the following historic facts, written from a Romanian point of view and generally accepted by all mainstream Romanian historians:
1. "The eastern boundary of Moldavia as well as the extent of the Romanian mass settlements remained, however, along the Dnestr river."
2. "During the fourteenth century, Prince Bogdan and his successors established their sovereignty over most of the land between the Carpathian mountains and the Dnestr river already populated by Romanians."
3. "Then, Prince Alexandre the Good (1400- 1432) drove the Tatars (remnants of the last great Asian invasion into Europe) beyond the Dnestr and established his boundary along the river. At the beginning, however, in the course of repopulating the new lands and extending state authority, the region between the Prut and Dnestr rivers adjacent to the Danube and the Black Sea, belonged to the Wallachian dynasty Basarab, after whom the entire province was later named."
4. "As a matter of fact, the northern and eastern boundaries of the Principality were fixed by the Prince of Moldavia and the King of Poland as early as 1433. The boundary followed the Ceremus river in the north and the Dnestr in the east, unquestionably including within Moldavia what later came to be known as Bukovina and Bessarabia. Soon after, the Moldavian princes began to fortify the Dnestr against the Tatars and built several fortresses which stand to this day. No fortress was ever built along the Prut River which flowed through the middle of the country."
5. "advancing from the west beyond Dnestr, the Romanian natural expansion encountered the Slavic colonization and the two cultures collided."
6. "1792: For the first time in history, Russia established its boundary along the Dnestr in the immediate vicinity of Moldavia. At that time, Moldavia had been in existence for almost five hundred years and her eastern boundary had been the Dnestr for all this time."
All quotes are from NICHOLAS DIMA 1991: East European Monographs, Boulder, Distributed by Columbia University Press, New York, and can be seen online at http://ivantoc.org/moldova.htm - Mauco 23:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
This sentence was added today: "The colonisation which begun during Tsarist times was greatly increased in during the Soviet Union. This lead to a decline of ethnic Moldavians in raport with Russians and Ukrainians, of which numbers continued to grow (however, ethnic Moldovans still make up the largest ethnic group)." There are 2 inconsistencies with this. First of all, 1) the sentence gives the Nicholas Dima history of Moldova as a reference. This source, however, refers to a "colonisation" begun in Tsarist times of Bessarabia (Moldova) and does not deal with this subject in reference to Transnistria. It specificially draws the line at the Dniester (see, for instance, the 6 quotes immediately above). So it should not, in my opinion, be quoted as a source for the supposed decline of ethnic Moldavians in a section dealing with the historical status of Transnistria. Second, 2) that "this lead to a decline of ethnic Moldavians" is not borne out by other sources. If anything, since 1792 the number of Moldavians and Russians both increased on the left bank of the Dniester, at the expense of Ukrainian peasants; at the time the single largest ethnic group in the area. We have dealt with this extensively in the Talk-page for History of Transnistria, giving sources. The newly added sentence ought to either be edited to correspond with the facts or else deleted altogether. - Mauco 00:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
User:Greier added some tags yesterday, claiming NPOV on this article and a disputed section. The tags says that we should see Talk. But he has not bothered to state anything in Talk. Greier, what is your POV concern? How can we help you to make the article more NPOV, in your opinion? It is a bit hard to improve if you don't let us know what you see as being biased. As far as I can tell, the article is perfectly well balanced at the currently point in time, and factually correct in every way. - Mauco 03:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Greier just replied, albeit belatedly -
I raised the issue months ago. They are:
1. for Historically, Transnistria was inhabited by Moldavian Romanians (along with Ukrainians), but the area was never considered part of the traditional lands of Romanian settlement. the issues are: Define "Romanian area of settlement". What is the relevance of ethnicity (may that be Romanian, Moldavian, Ukrainian or Russian) in a political dispute? What is the relevance of the term "Romanian" when this issue is a Rep. of Moldova vs. Separatist regime, not an ethnic conflict? Even if they have a issue with the Romanians, and aknowledge it, then why do they speak only of Moldovan people, Moldovan language, and even call the country Pridnestróvskaia Moldávskaia Respública?
2. for The territory east of the Dniester river belonged to Kievan Rus' and the kingdom of Halych-Volhynia from the ninth to the fourteenth centuries the issues are: the Kievan Rus is already on the talk of Transdniester article. As for Galicia, the claim is not backed by any sources.
3. passing to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, and then into the hands of Russia in the eighteenth century. False. Skipping a few centuries doesn`t matter.
4. for By this time, Moldavia had been in existence for almost five hundred years with the Dniester marking its eastern boundary for all this time. What is the relevance of this in the twentyfirst century? Also, why doesn`t it say that Muscovy had also been in existance for centuries, and not only Trns., but actually the wholre region norht of the Black Sea, has never been part of it until the eighteenth century ( New Russia)
5. Even with the rise of Romanian nationalism in the nineteenth century, the far reaches of Transylvania were considered the western boundary of the Romanian lands while the Dniester formed the eastern. What is the relevance of Romanian nationalism, Romanian lands??? Which is it in the end? Who are their enemies: the Romanians or the Moldavians? Or is it that they are Moldavians (see the name of the country), and are fighting against the imperialist Romanians? And for that matter, what were the western and the eastern boundaries of the Russians? The Dniester in the west and Kamchatka in the east???
6. The national poet Mihai Eminescu, in his famous poem Doina, spoke of a Romania stretching only "from the Dniester to the Tisza" and not farther east. Again: what is the relevance of the term Romanian? What is the relevance of a 19th century poem afterall????????? And how come we had even got to the point where we take a poem literally????
7. In World War II, when Romania, aided by Nazi Germany, for the first time in history took control of Transnistria there was never any attempt to annex the occupied territory beyond the Dniester for it was generally considered merely a temporary buffer zone between Greater Romania and the Soviet front line. what is THE RELEVANCE ??????????????? for God`s sake? And when the Russian Empire (then U.S.S.R) took it, what it was considered? The Holy homeland?????????
8. Transnistria had never been considered part of Bessarabia Duhh... Really intelligent observation...
9. Two preeminent political figures of the day, Iuliu Maniu and Constantin Brătianu declared that "the Romanian people will never consent to the continuation of the struggle beyond our national borders." Againg: WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE OF THE WORD "ROMANIAN". Also, I wan`t to know what were the "national borders" of the Romanian people? Where they defined in the constitution? And I wonder what the "national borders" of the Russian and Ukrainian colonist were.... Greier 09:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, it's not even directly about Molodovans vs. Transnistrians, but is about secondary issues with editing the article? AnonMoos 18:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Does this really add anything to the article? AnonMoos 16:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I may be able to find something from the tiraspol times. Is it ok to cite the tiraspol times for something that is alleged?
[2] According to this Documentary. Transnistria is de facto recognized by Russia and the Ukraine, as well as Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Should this be included... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.62.73 ( talk) 19:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I suggest the article be renamed to Political status of Transnistria. All similar articles about the disputed status are named Political status of Kosovo, Political status of Western Sahara, Political status of the Palestinian territories etc. Jan CZ ( talk) 22:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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1. Improve the info box (add more specific information)
2. On "Moldovan Position"
3. On "Territorial Issue"
4. On "United Nations Resolution A/72/L.58”
5. Add Section on Transnistrian Identity
6. Add Section on Transnistrian Government on Political Status
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18:13, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I propose merging Political status of Transnistria into Transnistria conflict. I think the content in Political status of Transnistria can easily be explained in the context of Transnistria conflict, and a merger would not cause any article-size problems in Transnistria conflict. In other similar cases, there is one article - Crimean problem, Abkhaz–Georgian conflict, Georgian–Ossetian conflict, Cyprus dispute. There are also a big overlap with International recognition of Transnistria and Transnistria War, but articles are perhaps best kept separate. Somerby ( talk) 18:52, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
I am not opposed, but doesn’t it make sense to first merge International recognition of Transnistria into Political status of Transnistria, because the former is merely a major aspect of the latter? — Michael Z. 13:59, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Re this edit, I believe that we should use neutral rather than loaded terms. It's irrelevant from the policy point of view that one side is recognised and the other isn't. Transnistria considers Bender to be inside its jurisdiction btw so by your logic it can't occupy it. Alaexis ¿question? 19:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Why is there no section in this page about the conflict's casualties? If there's a military conflict, then hasn't someone died already? Dunutubble ( talk) 16:31, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
According the lead the 'Transnistria conflict' is about a conflict between newly found Moldova state and the breakaway region Transnistria, dating as far back as far as September 1990. However, i am struggling to find any overview of what the conflict is about. Not sure what relevance is the 'Historical status of Transnistria' in ninth to the fourteenth centuries?!, or why the events of 1992 War are under there, or why there is so much emphasis on positions and recognition, and very little on well the topic of article. -- Nilsol2 ( talk) 01:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm confused.
The map on this page indicates that the orange areas ('Moldovan controlled areas east of the Dniester') are under Moldovan control. If so, this would mean that Transnistria is split into two as the Moldovan areas touch the Ukraine border (specifically, the area comprising Vasilievca, Roghi, Cocieri and Corjova).
The map on this page ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Naddniestrze.png) suggests that this area is itself split into three non-contiguous chunks by Transnistrian-controlled roads.
The Geography section of the main Transnistria page suggest these areas are under the control of Joint Control Commission rules, yet the page for this does not explain how this works in practice. Either side can pass through as they wish? Transnistria can use the roads but not the lands either side? How then would Moldova access these lands? The roads are neutral?
88.107.215.235 ( talk) 21:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC) A Confused Person.
There have been several recent developments. The question is just whether this is the right page, or there's a better one in the topic cluster.
https://www.politico.eu/article/moldova-energy-crisis-inflation-russia-ukraine-war/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64626785
https://www.rferl.org/a/chisinau-protesters-rally-against-moldova-government/32278318.html
https://news.yahoo.com/zelenskyy-announced-ukraines-readiness-help-021600355.html
Very possible it could turn kinetic this spring. Sennalen ( talk) 21:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
I don't think that Nagorno-Karabakh / Artsakh exists any more... AnonMoos ( talk) 01:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)