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The Toyota GT86 was developed and engineered by "Subaru" Fuji Heavy Industries (FHI), and is built in Subaru FHI's Gunma factory. The Toyota contribution is body styling and the direct injection system for the Subaru boxer engine, then Toyota marketing and sales volume. Subaru could easily have built the car without Toyota, but Toyota could never have built the car without Subaru. As the primary (90+%) development and all (100%) production is Subaru, the car should be noted as a Subaru, with "Toyota GT86" / "Toyota 86" redirecting to Subaru BRZ.
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Since it's made in a Subaru factory and uses a Subaru engine, having the primary name be Subaru would make the most sense. But having both in the title would work too 2600:1700:A701:2000:247B:89CC:5F15:BCF4 ( talk) 17:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
There is no reference of the weight. According to http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_editorial.jsp?navRoot=toyota_1024_root&fullwidth=true&noLeftMenu=true&forceText=%3cnone%3e&edname=CC-FT86II-landing&zone=Zone+Cars&id=CC-FT86II-landing weight is going to be 1180 kgs. Blokatos ( talk) 00:52, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
There have been some attempts to use http://www.allcarwiki.com/wiki/Toyota_GT-86 as a reference. However, WP:LINKSTOAVOID (point 12) specifically says that open wikis (ie editable by the general public) are NOT allowed. The reason is that anybody can put wrong or misleading information onto that external wiki and then try to treat it as a source for here. For example, I could edit http://www.allcarwiki.com/wiki/Toyota_GT-86 to say that the engine will be a 2.3 litre V6, and then try to use it as a reference to put the same info on Wikipedia - not good! I'm as excited by this new car as anyone else but all information must be verifiable by reliable references such as articles by respected magazines/newspapers and manufacturer press releases (with due care to advertising hyperbole). Stepho talk 02:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Recently a lot of information was merged from the Subaru BRZ Concept STI and Scion FR-S and those pages were converted to links to this page. There is also a lot of information at Toyota FT-86, Toyota FT-86 G Sports and Toyota FT-86 II. This car started as a concept car (FT-86) that went through a number of revisions (FT-86 G Sports, FT-86 II), splits (FR-S concept, Subaru BRZ Concept) and finally production (86, Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ). Does it make more sense to make one large article that also includes the various concept cars and alternative brand names or does it make more sense to leave the concept cars at Toyota concept vehicles, 2000-2009 and Toyota concept vehicles, 2010-2019?
Advantages of a merged article is that the information is all in one place and there is less duplication. There will still have to be entries at Toyota concept vehicles, 2000-2009 and Toyota concept vehicles, 2010-2019 but they will be much reduced and merely point to this article for further details. This article will of course have to list each variation but it would be in the form of how it differed from the other variations.
The advantages of each concept car having its full details at Toyota concept vehicles, 2000-2009 or Toyota concept vehicles, 2010-2019 is that it puts each concept car in its spot in history and avoids having lots of stub entries that say nothing more than 'follow this link for details'. The main 86 article would of course have a development section which would have very brief details and link to the various concept cars.
It can often be a coin toss whether concept cars that make it into production should have the concept cars details on the main concept pages or if the details should be on the production car page. Both solutions have advantages and disadvantages. If we say that the concept car details should always be with the production car then we are left with the concept vehicle pages having many gaps (ie only containing concept cars that did not make production). But having the concept car details with the production car details is very attractive when the reader is thinking of the development history of the production car. On the other hand, if we always put the concept car details on the concept vehicle pages then the history of the development of the production car is less obvious.
Any thoughts? Stepho talk 03:18, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Can somebody upload an image for the Scion FR-S concept ? Please get a picture from: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1058694_scion-fr-s-live-from-the-new-york-auto-show This is the email saying that we are allowed to use one of their pictures as long as a link is given:
"Hi *****, do you know this photo is of the FR-S concept? If that works in context, the usage is fine so long as there is a link back to the page where you saw it.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:05 PM, <*****************@gmail.com> wrote:
Name : *****************
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Feedback : Hi, I was wondering if you will allow me to use one picture from "Scion FR-S: Live from the New York Auto Show, Gallery 1" to upload onto Wikipedia. Thanks, *****
This message was sent to you by *****************@gmail.com via The MotorAuthority ----- " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.210.27.103 ( talk) 16:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
In the external links section we have a list of countries taking the reader to the official websites for each country. Should this list be:
The trigger for this discussion is over whether Jamaica should be in the list or not. Since this could affect many other automotive articles, I'll make a mention on the automobile project page as well so that others can comment for or against it. Stepho talk 06:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I noticed while reading the article that the chassis code (ZN6) for the 86 isn't listed anywhere on here even though it used to be. Can anyone explain why or was there a reason for not including it? 98.198.212.110 ( talk) 08:55, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
The automatic transmission in the GT86 and all other variants is definitively not derived from the IS-F as the article currently states. The transmission is derived from the IS250. Both cars feature the A960E transmission, with the GT86 featuring updated components and programming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HereComesThePainTrain ( talk • contribs) 03:55, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
To shorten the little revert war currently going on, could somebody add some official Toyota references for "Sc10n" as an official designation. Preferably from Toyota Corp rather than some dealer. To claim that "Sc10n" is official is not good enough, we need solid references. Otherwise I can claim I'm the King of Australia :) Stepho talk 03:39, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Don't have time now plus it's just a suggestion, but what do others thing about moving content related to Limited Editions elsewhere into a table? It could be made up of the following columns: BRAND / MODEL / LIMITED EDITION / DETAILS (incl. COUNTRY) / PRICE. There is no doubt the 86 will be kept alive with these models, but continuing to add to the standard text will just dilute the main content. CtrlXctrlV ( talk) 03:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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What about the MY 2017 update? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.251.72 ( talk) 17:28, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Appearently there has been a facelift for the 86 car, but there is no section for it yet. Here it mentions the 2017 model: https://www.toyota.com/86/ -- 97.93.96.52 ( talk) 22:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
The other day I had the chance to compare the 2016 and the 2017 Subaru BRZ: I would say changes in the outside appearance are not very dramatic. The rear spoiler became a little less fancy and more conservative in styling. The most important changes are probably in the interior, with the addition of a large display for navigation and multimedia at the top of the central console, and a nifty multifunctional display in place of the old fuel and temperature gauges. -- BjKa ( talk) 12:56, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
The article says something about "the engine to sit lower than the Nissan GTR and just 0.6 inches higher than the Lexus LFA."
Now firstly that should be "higher than the engine in the <whatever>". But linguistic nitpicking aside: The Nissan and the Lexus both have a large
V engine, which naturally has to be (notice that I'm saying "be" and not "sit") higher than a mid sized flat engine. You're really comparing apples and oranges here. To make a valid point about inertial forces influencing road performance you'd have to compare where the center of gravity of the engine assembly (and possibly other parts) is in those three cars.
Now I'm not saying that the intended message is wrong, I guess in principle the flat motor concept can indeed give a better weight distribution, I'm saying that the data given and language used ("the engine to sit 0.6 inches higher") is imprecise and unscientific (i.e. worthless bullshit) as it stands now. (Aside from the fact that comparing any 2.0l 4-cylinder engine to any 4.8l 10-cylinder engine is nonsense in my opinion.) --
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Could it really be a coincidence that the Subaru FA engine used in the car has both a bore width and a stroke length of 86 mm? knoodelhed ( talk) 10:14, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
In this article, and the AE86 article for that matter, it is stated without reference that the AE86 was an inspiration for this vehicle. While it is true that Toyota branded the care as the 86, the only references I can find to the AE86 with regard to the cars initial conception also refer to other cars, and to a more general type of car (For example, the AE86 and the Nissan Silvia are mentioned by a lead Toyota engineer Tetsuya Tada [1]) This seems like a commonly held belief without concrete sourcing from those involved. PiraticalGhost ( talk) 11:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
A new generation was confirmed today by Subaru and Toyota. Reference here. 201.145.14.158 ( talk) 21:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians! I have started writing a draft of a main article on the Subaru BRZ as a separate article. See it here. Should I keep going with this or not? I feel like the GT86 and BRZ are really different so they should be separated. What do you think? Sagquattro2009 ( talk) 13:41, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Sagquattro2009: took it upon himself to split the articles anyway. From the above there was opposition to the split. The only support was a very mild "not against" that also included some arguments against it. I have undone the split (although I may have to get an administrator to restore the redirect talk page history properly). Stepho talk 22:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
GR86 is a different new car, with new engine, new trasmission, new suspension and new body in aluminium; and for this will be divide with new page. 5.91.145.18 ( talk) 14:00, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
The new Subaru BRZ tS is now released, so should it be added to the page? I can also add it myself but it would take me quite a bit of time as it would be my first time editing in Wikipedia. It has upgraded suspension, brakes, etc. and is a mass production trim so it shouldn't be missed, in my opinion... Kupriyanovy ( talk) 20:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Toyota GT86 was developed and engineered by "Subaru" Fuji Heavy Industries (FHI), and is built in Subaru FHI's Gunma factory. The Toyota contribution is body styling and the direct injection system for the Subaru boxer engine, then Toyota marketing and sales volume. Subaru could easily have built the car without Toyota, but Toyota could never have built the car without Subaru. As the primary (90+%) development and all (100%) production is Subaru, the car should be noted as a Subaru, with "Toyota GT86" / "Toyota 86" redirecting to Subaru BRZ.
References
Since it's made in a Subaru factory and uses a Subaru engine, having the primary name be Subaru would make the most sense. But having both in the title would work too 2600:1700:A701:2000:247B:89CC:5F15:BCF4 ( talk) 17:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
There is no reference of the weight. According to http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_editorial.jsp?navRoot=toyota_1024_root&fullwidth=true&noLeftMenu=true&forceText=%3cnone%3e&edname=CC-FT86II-landing&zone=Zone+Cars&id=CC-FT86II-landing weight is going to be 1180 kgs. Blokatos ( talk) 00:52, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
There have been some attempts to use http://www.allcarwiki.com/wiki/Toyota_GT-86 as a reference. However, WP:LINKSTOAVOID (point 12) specifically says that open wikis (ie editable by the general public) are NOT allowed. The reason is that anybody can put wrong or misleading information onto that external wiki and then try to treat it as a source for here. For example, I could edit http://www.allcarwiki.com/wiki/Toyota_GT-86 to say that the engine will be a 2.3 litre V6, and then try to use it as a reference to put the same info on Wikipedia - not good! I'm as excited by this new car as anyone else but all information must be verifiable by reliable references such as articles by respected magazines/newspapers and manufacturer press releases (with due care to advertising hyperbole). Stepho talk 02:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Recently a lot of information was merged from the Subaru BRZ Concept STI and Scion FR-S and those pages were converted to links to this page. There is also a lot of information at Toyota FT-86, Toyota FT-86 G Sports and Toyota FT-86 II. This car started as a concept car (FT-86) that went through a number of revisions (FT-86 G Sports, FT-86 II), splits (FR-S concept, Subaru BRZ Concept) and finally production (86, Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ). Does it make more sense to make one large article that also includes the various concept cars and alternative brand names or does it make more sense to leave the concept cars at Toyota concept vehicles, 2000-2009 and Toyota concept vehicles, 2010-2019?
Advantages of a merged article is that the information is all in one place and there is less duplication. There will still have to be entries at Toyota concept vehicles, 2000-2009 and Toyota concept vehicles, 2010-2019 but they will be much reduced and merely point to this article for further details. This article will of course have to list each variation but it would be in the form of how it differed from the other variations.
The advantages of each concept car having its full details at Toyota concept vehicles, 2000-2009 or Toyota concept vehicles, 2010-2019 is that it puts each concept car in its spot in history and avoids having lots of stub entries that say nothing more than 'follow this link for details'. The main 86 article would of course have a development section which would have very brief details and link to the various concept cars.
It can often be a coin toss whether concept cars that make it into production should have the concept cars details on the main concept pages or if the details should be on the production car page. Both solutions have advantages and disadvantages. If we say that the concept car details should always be with the production car then we are left with the concept vehicle pages having many gaps (ie only containing concept cars that did not make production). But having the concept car details with the production car details is very attractive when the reader is thinking of the development history of the production car. On the other hand, if we always put the concept car details on the concept vehicle pages then the history of the development of the production car is less obvious.
Any thoughts? Stepho talk 03:18, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Can somebody upload an image for the Scion FR-S concept ? Please get a picture from: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1058694_scion-fr-s-live-from-the-new-york-auto-show This is the email saying that we are allowed to use one of their pictures as long as a link is given:
"Hi *****, do you know this photo is of the FR-S concept? If that works in context, the usage is fine so long as there is a link back to the page where you saw it.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:05 PM, <*****************@gmail.com> wrote:
Name : *****************
E-mail : *****************@gmail.com
Feedback : Hi, I was wondering if you will allow me to use one picture from "Scion FR-S: Live from the New York Auto Show, Gallery 1" to upload onto Wikipedia. Thanks, *****
This message was sent to you by *****************@gmail.com via The MotorAuthority ----- " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.210.27.103 ( talk) 16:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
In the external links section we have a list of countries taking the reader to the official websites for each country. Should this list be:
The trigger for this discussion is over whether Jamaica should be in the list or not. Since this could affect many other automotive articles, I'll make a mention on the automobile project page as well so that others can comment for or against it. Stepho talk 06:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I noticed while reading the article that the chassis code (ZN6) for the 86 isn't listed anywhere on here even though it used to be. Can anyone explain why or was there a reason for not including it? 98.198.212.110 ( talk) 08:55, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
The automatic transmission in the GT86 and all other variants is definitively not derived from the IS-F as the article currently states. The transmission is derived from the IS250. Both cars feature the A960E transmission, with the GT86 featuring updated components and programming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HereComesThePainTrain ( talk • contribs) 03:55, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
To shorten the little revert war currently going on, could somebody add some official Toyota references for "Sc10n" as an official designation. Preferably from Toyota Corp rather than some dealer. To claim that "Sc10n" is official is not good enough, we need solid references. Otherwise I can claim I'm the King of Australia :) Stepho talk 03:39, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Don't have time now plus it's just a suggestion, but what do others thing about moving content related to Limited Editions elsewhere into a table? It could be made up of the following columns: BRAND / MODEL / LIMITED EDITION / DETAILS (incl. COUNTRY) / PRICE. There is no doubt the 86 will be kept alive with these models, but continuing to add to the standard text will just dilute the main content. CtrlXctrlV ( talk) 03:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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What about the MY 2017 update? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.251.72 ( talk) 17:28, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Appearently there has been a facelift for the 86 car, but there is no section for it yet. Here it mentions the 2017 model: https://www.toyota.com/86/ -- 97.93.96.52 ( talk) 22:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
The other day I had the chance to compare the 2016 and the 2017 Subaru BRZ: I would say changes in the outside appearance are not very dramatic. The rear spoiler became a little less fancy and more conservative in styling. The most important changes are probably in the interior, with the addition of a large display for navigation and multimedia at the top of the central console, and a nifty multifunctional display in place of the old fuel and temperature gauges. -- BjKa ( talk) 12:56, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
The article says something about "the engine to sit lower than the Nissan GTR and just 0.6 inches higher than the Lexus LFA."
Now firstly that should be "higher than the engine in the <whatever>". But linguistic nitpicking aside: The Nissan and the Lexus both have a large
V engine, which naturally has to be (notice that I'm saying "be" and not "sit") higher than a mid sized flat engine. You're really comparing apples and oranges here. To make a valid point about inertial forces influencing road performance you'd have to compare where the center of gravity of the engine assembly (and possibly other parts) is in those three cars.
Now I'm not saying that the intended message is wrong, I guess in principle the flat motor concept can indeed give a better weight distribution, I'm saying that the data given and language used ("the engine to sit 0.6 inches higher") is imprecise and unscientific (i.e. worthless bullshit) as it stands now. (Aside from the fact that comparing any 2.0l 4-cylinder engine to any 4.8l 10-cylinder engine is nonsense in my opinion.) --
BjKa (
talk)
12:56, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Could it really be a coincidence that the Subaru FA engine used in the car has both a bore width and a stroke length of 86 mm? knoodelhed ( talk) 10:14, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
In this article, and the AE86 article for that matter, it is stated without reference that the AE86 was an inspiration for this vehicle. While it is true that Toyota branded the care as the 86, the only references I can find to the AE86 with regard to the cars initial conception also refer to other cars, and to a more general type of car (For example, the AE86 and the Nissan Silvia are mentioned by a lead Toyota engineer Tetsuya Tada [1]) This seems like a commonly held belief without concrete sourcing from those involved. PiraticalGhost ( talk) 11:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
A new generation was confirmed today by Subaru and Toyota. Reference here. 201.145.14.158 ( talk) 21:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians! I have started writing a draft of a main article on the Subaru BRZ as a separate article. See it here. Should I keep going with this or not? I feel like the GT86 and BRZ are really different so they should be separated. What do you think? Sagquattro2009 ( talk) 13:41, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Sagquattro2009: took it upon himself to split the articles anyway. From the above there was opposition to the split. The only support was a very mild "not against" that also included some arguments against it. I have undone the split (although I may have to get an administrator to restore the redirect talk page history properly). Stepho talk 22:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
GR86 is a different new car, with new engine, new trasmission, new suspension and new body in aluminium; and for this will be divide with new page. 5.91.145.18 ( talk) 14:00, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
The new Subaru BRZ tS is now released, so should it be added to the page? I can also add it myself but it would take me quite a bit of time as it would be my first time editing in Wikipedia. It has upgraded suspension, brakes, etc. and is a mass production trim so it shouldn't be missed, in my opinion... Kupriyanovy ( talk) 20:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)