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Why not include the tornado outbreak of May 17-19 into this article, since there was continuing effect on the ground? Other weather articles include multiple storm systems which occur in close temporal proximity and have influence or waves of influence in common areas on the ground. Thankfully most of these tornadoes missed the most populated areas (which both makes them more difficult to categorize and significantly alters news coverage). - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 02:57, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
As tornado have occurred on the 23rd [1], and this page is ongoing, the title of the page (Tornado outbreak of May 20–22, 2019) should be changed to Tornado outbreak of May 20–23, 2019. EDIT: cool thanks 0w0 catt0s ( talk) 15:50, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
...The ongoing flooding associated with the continual storms is creating its own concerns, and should probably have its own section within this article -- not least since there were more deaths and property damage from the rain / flooding than there were from the tornadoes themselves. During these storms, many people were faced with the dilemma of whether to shelter in a basement (tornado) or high ground (flash flooding). - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 02:57, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
List of Offices and times for later lookup on the 24th (Note: each office may have issued multiple warnings. Looking at references, check these by clicking on "Versions"): (Office):(Number of warn versions):(Number of warns)(Ref)
0w0 catt0s ( talk) 03:18, 25 May 2019 (UTC) NOTE: maybe it would be a good idea to turn this into arraylist of multiple days.
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Is a Notable Tornadoes section appropriate for this article? Tornadotom666 ( talk) 22:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC) No, this is the references for the tornado warnings issued today. this is for later reference to add. 0w0 catt0s ( talk) 22:53, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
I have moved the article from its previous tornado sequence designation to simply "Tornado outbreak of May 2019." We have no reliable sources referring to this event as a tornado outbreak sequence, and I reached out to the SPC WCM for his input but he noted there is no official definition of a sequence. Therefore, we are technically in violation of Wikipedia rules, including WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OR. The lack of delineated dates also limits us from adding days to the title. Finally, although there have been other events that qualify as tornado outbreaks this month, this is the only one that has required an article, and so the current broad-brushed title is not an issue. 🌧❄ϟ TropicalAnalystwx13 ( talk · contributions) 22:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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Shouldn't this be called and Tornado outbreak sequence since this has been more of a series of Tornado outbreaks associated with multiple distinct weather systems over several days? As defined in the article "A tornado outbreak sequence, or tornado outbreak day sequence, sometimes referred to as an extended tornado outbreak, is a period of continuous or nearly continuous high tornado activity consisting of a series of tornado outbreaks over multiple days with no or very few days lacking tornado outbreaks". Thus it seems to me the title should be either Tornado outbreak sequence of May 2018 or May 2019 tornado outbreak sequence. Stormchaser89 ( talk) 11:25, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Hello! We need some some sections on tornadoes. I suggest we do Jefferson City and El Reno tornadoes as sections. User:She-Hulka
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 18:53, 27 May 2019 (UTC)TornadoInformation12 Alright I hope we can get to them soon. Thank you User:She-Hulka
I started on the Jefferson City tornado. User:ComorosFlag
It seems a bit out of place, But I suggest we change this to be single section about major tornados, PDS's (Particularly Dangerous Situation.), and other significant events of the outbreak. Another thing to add may be the fact that there were tornado warnings issued in places that have not had such warnings in a long time, eg; New York, California, maybe Colorado. 0w0 catt0s ( talk) 04:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Good guess User:MarioProtIV Im putting it on EF3+ so we can put guesses but it has to be higher than EF2. Lets try and figure it out together User:She-Hulka
The dayton tornado was given a preliminary rating of an EF3 with 140mph winds. StormChaserJosh ( talk) 16:00, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Areas with a high concentration of tornadoes on the 28th:
0w0 catt0s ( talk) 00:55, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
The Lawrence, Kansas tornado had ground scouring, normally ground scouring happens when there is an EF5 tornado. StormChaserJosh ( talk) 14:55, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Hey, I have yet to contact the copyright owner, but I watched the stream of a storm chaser, and got a good cone-tornado picture to use. If this belong on the page, let me know, otherwise, no biggie, I will just not post it. Info: It is the tornado on May 22 around 10:45 PM UTC (5:45 CDT). it was by chaser "Tim Howard". the image is labeled as being "near Beardon, OK", Although I am not sure how accurate it is. 0w0 catt0s ( talk) 04:04, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
We need pics from the Celina, Ohio tornado damage, this also includes Dayton, Ohio. StormChaserJosh ( talk) 13:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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I saw some pictures of the Dayton tornadoes aftermath I believe it could be EF4 rated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by She-Hulka ( talk • contribs)
I have been looking at damage and windspeeds to see the conclusion. I saw the ABC News website posted with the title "Many home and apartment complexes leveled". That gives me a clue from the height in damage shown to conclude its a high intensity tornado. User:She-Hulka
I swear to all my gods and my life its an EF4 I even compared it to other EF4 tornadoes and there damage. They matched pretty well. Of course it was small but still. User:She-Hulka
Celina tornado was given at least an EF3. StormChaserJosh ( talk) 18:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 19:09, 28 May 2019 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
I'm on the side of the Celina tornado as an EF4 it could be less, but like you said it looks like EF4 when seen from above User:ComorosFlag
It is important that the section be updated to note there were two EF3 tornadoes in the Dayton area, not just one. The information in the section is not accurate as the survey results were released earlier. Noah Talk 03:11, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Ahh that makes sence thank you for clearing it. User:ComorosFlag —Preceding undated comment added 13:38, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Could we please not edit the table of tornadoes on this article? For efficiency's sake I think it would be wise to edit that here and copy-paste into this article later. I'm not super familiar with how Wikipedia works yet but could we not also just transclude the whole section from the May 2019 tornadoes list? I just lost about 45 minutes of work putting in tornadoes over there because I didn't realize they had already been entered here. Tornadotom666 ( talk) 23:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps it is time to follow the precedent of 2011 Super Outbreak and create a separate list of tornadoes, per List of tornadoes in the 2011 Super Outbreak, and leave only the city-hitting EF3s discussion in the article as "Notable tornadoes". The list article would be linked in the main article. As it stands, I agree that the article is getting unwieldy, and we still have at least three more similar days ahead. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 04:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I am currently working on these two sections -- should have them filled out in a couple of hours. This includes the flooding discussion I mentioned earlier. Possibly the flooding alone might have enough for a stand-alone article. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 04:11, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
The change to EF3+ by another user, as far as I know, is unwarranted due to it being unrated at this moment. Source? 8medalkid ( talk) 15:23, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
👌 8medalkid ( talk) 15:28, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
By the way, what do you think of the intensity, considering there were multiple homes down to clean slabs and there was ground scouring reported 8medalkid ( talk) 15:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Well not to intrude but I believe if said EF5 but it could be weaker if windspeeds are discovered. User:ComorosFlag —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, there were multiple houses down to clean slabs, including one where it ripped holes into the basement roof. However, we do not know bolting and structural integrity of those homes, so we cannot determine ratings at this time. 8medalkid ( talk) 15:37, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Lets keep it EF3+ just in case since HurricaneGonzalo said its only EF3 in south Lawrence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ComorosFlag ( talk • contribs) 17:27, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/29/large-extremely-dangerous-tornado-rips-through-kansas-causing-multiple-injuries-catastrophic-damages/?utm_term=.4c37571629df This says its higher than EF3. User:ComorosFlag —Preceding undated comment added 18:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh ok thank you for telling me User:ComorosFlag —Preceding undated comment added 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
We are missing meteorological synopses for May 26th-28th Noobeater007 ( talk) 19:54, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
How exactly are we defining this outbreak? The record-setting tornadic part of it is between May 14 - May 28 (29th?), but both the storms and the tornadoes started before that; and we are currently calling the article the "May outbreak". I ask because I am trying to limit flood / flash flood effects to within the scope of the article. Oklahoma alone confirms eight storm-related deaths starting on May 1. Thus far, I have been using mid May as a soft limit, but there was significant flash flooding throughout the Plains/Midwest on May 1 and every day thereafter. This is also relevant for trying to pin down flood-related evacuations. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 22:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I nominated this article for WP:ITN section when the outbreak became record-breaking. If you feel it is WP newsworthy, head over to /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Record-breaking_May_tornado_outbreak and post your vote. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 19:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
It’s getting way too long now and it takes quite a while to scroll down to the notable tornadoes. Splitting the list of tornadoes would help because in cases when we’ve seen over 150–200 tornadoes in an outbreak we usually split it (such as April 14-16, 2011 and the 2011 Super Outbreak). Also the synopsis needs to be seriously condensed as it’s way too big even for a prolonged period like this. -- MarioProtIV ( talk/ contribs) 20:47, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
@ TropicalAnalystwx13: If anyone is unsure of how many tornadoes of a certain rating there were on a day, you can do the following instead of counting manually: Go to this article, click "edit source" for the day you want, hit ctrl + f, and type in what you're looking for (storm, cat1, cat2, et cetera). The number it shows should be the number of tornadoes of that intensity. Hopefully that will help :) Tornadotom666 ( talk) 00:41, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Somewhere WP has a U.S. map template which allows individual states to be coloured (usually used for election purposes). Could someone make up such a map, colouring in every state which has had a tornado during this outbreak, and using a different contrasting colour to indicate states which had only tornado warnings but no actual tornado (I think NY may have been one)? I would like to use it opposite the "Overview" section, since I think it would be useful to indicate the geographical scope of this outbreak. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 08:38, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
What day was the last day of this outbreak? I don't see where it is specified on the article, but I assume it was May 29th because that is where the table stops. Tornadotom666 ( talk) 17:18, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Has it been decided for sure that this tornado event will be referred to as an outbreak sequence? Right now the article has some inconsistency in terms. Tornadotom666 ( talk) 02:22, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
The overview intro is inaccurate, specifically "only four previous documented outbreaks have had more than 100 tornadoes". Not including sequences, there have been several outbreaks not listed in the section that have produced over 100 tornadoes, including Apr 14-16 2011 and May 22-25 2011. Including sequences, May 2003 and May 2004 both saw well over 100 tornadoes. This also isn't the best way to evaluate the significance of tornado events, as many weak tornadoes went unnoticed pre-1980. -- TornadoList2016 ( talk) 14:23, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
One death has been reported in Montgomery County. While it is interconnected with the Dayton storm as a whole, it is not yet known whether the death was specifically caused by the storm; and if so, whether by the tornado, flooding, or other related cause. I linked it in the Dayton-specific section, but I did not add it to the box. If the cause does turn out to be storm-related, one part of the Overview will also have to be adjusted. (Still an unusually low casualty rate for F/EF4 ... does anyone have stats on this?) - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 11:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
The more I research this, the more it seems that the flooding effects of this storm sequence were at least equal to if not more significant than the tornadic impact, and that is before hail and straight-line wind damage is added in (still working on those). I know people come here for the tornadoes, but please don't condense the non-tornadic parts into single paragraphs per section -- it is more complex than that. I am trying to keep a tight focus on the May events, but the overall non-tornadic section will end up as large as the tornadic section. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 12:20, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Should more mention be made of the record-setting heat wave in the U.S. southeast? It was one of the contributing factors to the sequence, and probably deserves its own article in any case. (There may already be one -- I did not check.) - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 12:20, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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Why not include the tornado outbreak of May 17-19 into this article, since there was continuing effect on the ground? Other weather articles include multiple storm systems which occur in close temporal proximity and have influence or waves of influence in common areas on the ground. Thankfully most of these tornadoes missed the most populated areas (which both makes them more difficult to categorize and significantly alters news coverage). - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 02:57, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
As tornado have occurred on the 23rd [1], and this page is ongoing, the title of the page (Tornado outbreak of May 20–22, 2019) should be changed to Tornado outbreak of May 20–23, 2019. EDIT: cool thanks 0w0 catt0s ( talk) 15:50, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
...The ongoing flooding associated with the continual storms is creating its own concerns, and should probably have its own section within this article -- not least since there were more deaths and property damage from the rain / flooding than there were from the tornadoes themselves. During these storms, many people were faced with the dilemma of whether to shelter in a basement (tornado) or high ground (flash flooding). - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 02:57, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
List of Offices and times for later lookup on the 24th (Note: each office may have issued multiple warnings. Looking at references, check these by clicking on "Versions"): (Office):(Number of warn versions):(Number of warns)(Ref)
0w0 catt0s ( talk) 03:18, 25 May 2019 (UTC) NOTE: maybe it would be a good idea to turn this into arraylist of multiple days.
References
Is a Notable Tornadoes section appropriate for this article? Tornadotom666 ( talk) 22:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC) No, this is the references for the tornado warnings issued today. this is for later reference to add. 0w0 catt0s ( talk) 22:53, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
I have moved the article from its previous tornado sequence designation to simply "Tornado outbreak of May 2019." We have no reliable sources referring to this event as a tornado outbreak sequence, and I reached out to the SPC WCM for his input but he noted there is no official definition of a sequence. Therefore, we are technically in violation of Wikipedia rules, including WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OR. The lack of delineated dates also limits us from adding days to the title. Finally, although there have been other events that qualify as tornado outbreaks this month, this is the only one that has required an article, and so the current broad-brushed title is not an issue. 🌧❄ϟ TropicalAnalystwx13 ( talk · contributions) 22:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 23:47, 26 May 2019 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
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Shouldn't this be called and Tornado outbreak sequence since this has been more of a series of Tornado outbreaks associated with multiple distinct weather systems over several days? As defined in the article "A tornado outbreak sequence, or tornado outbreak day sequence, sometimes referred to as an extended tornado outbreak, is a period of continuous or nearly continuous high tornado activity consisting of a series of tornado outbreaks over multiple days with no or very few days lacking tornado outbreaks". Thus it seems to me the title should be either Tornado outbreak sequence of May 2018 or May 2019 tornado outbreak sequence. Stormchaser89 ( talk) 11:25, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Hello! We need some some sections on tornadoes. I suggest we do Jefferson City and El Reno tornadoes as sections. User:She-Hulka
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 18:53, 27 May 2019 (UTC)TornadoInformation12 Alright I hope we can get to them soon. Thank you User:She-Hulka
I started on the Jefferson City tornado. User:ComorosFlag
It seems a bit out of place, But I suggest we change this to be single section about major tornados, PDS's (Particularly Dangerous Situation.), and other significant events of the outbreak. Another thing to add may be the fact that there were tornado warnings issued in places that have not had such warnings in a long time, eg; New York, California, maybe Colorado. 0w0 catt0s ( talk) 04:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Good guess User:MarioProtIV Im putting it on EF3+ so we can put guesses but it has to be higher than EF2. Lets try and figure it out together User:She-Hulka
The dayton tornado was given a preliminary rating of an EF3 with 140mph winds. StormChaserJosh ( talk) 16:00, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Areas with a high concentration of tornadoes on the 28th:
0w0 catt0s ( talk) 00:55, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
The Lawrence, Kansas tornado had ground scouring, normally ground scouring happens when there is an EF5 tornado. StormChaserJosh ( talk) 14:55, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Hey, I have yet to contact the copyright owner, but I watched the stream of a storm chaser, and got a good cone-tornado picture to use. If this belong on the page, let me know, otherwise, no biggie, I will just not post it. Info: It is the tornado on May 22 around 10:45 PM UTC (5:45 CDT). it was by chaser "Tim Howard". the image is labeled as being "near Beardon, OK", Although I am not sure how accurate it is. 0w0 catt0s ( talk) 04:04, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
We need pics from the Celina, Ohio tornado damage, this also includes Dayton, Ohio. StormChaserJosh ( talk) 13:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I saw some pictures of the Dayton tornadoes aftermath I believe it could be EF4 rated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by She-Hulka ( talk • contribs)
I have been looking at damage and windspeeds to see the conclusion. I saw the ABC News website posted with the title "Many home and apartment complexes leveled". That gives me a clue from the height in damage shown to conclude its a high intensity tornado. User:She-Hulka
I swear to all my gods and my life its an EF4 I even compared it to other EF4 tornadoes and there damage. They matched pretty well. Of course it was small but still. User:She-Hulka
Celina tornado was given at least an EF3. StormChaserJosh ( talk) 18:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 19:09, 28 May 2019 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
I'm on the side of the Celina tornado as an EF4 it could be less, but like you said it looks like EF4 when seen from above User:ComorosFlag
It is important that the section be updated to note there were two EF3 tornadoes in the Dayton area, not just one. The information in the section is not accurate as the survey results were released earlier. Noah Talk 03:11, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Ahh that makes sence thank you for clearing it. User:ComorosFlag —Preceding undated comment added 13:38, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Could we please not edit the table of tornadoes on this article? For efficiency's sake I think it would be wise to edit that here and copy-paste into this article later. I'm not super familiar with how Wikipedia works yet but could we not also just transclude the whole section from the May 2019 tornadoes list? I just lost about 45 minutes of work putting in tornadoes over there because I didn't realize they had already been entered here. Tornadotom666 ( talk) 23:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps it is time to follow the precedent of 2011 Super Outbreak and create a separate list of tornadoes, per List of tornadoes in the 2011 Super Outbreak, and leave only the city-hitting EF3s discussion in the article as "Notable tornadoes". The list article would be linked in the main article. As it stands, I agree that the article is getting unwieldy, and we still have at least three more similar days ahead. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 04:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I am currently working on these two sections -- should have them filled out in a couple of hours. This includes the flooding discussion I mentioned earlier. Possibly the flooding alone might have enough for a stand-alone article. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 04:11, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
The change to EF3+ by another user, as far as I know, is unwarranted due to it being unrated at this moment. Source? 8medalkid ( talk) 15:23, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
👌 8medalkid ( talk) 15:28, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
By the way, what do you think of the intensity, considering there were multiple homes down to clean slabs and there was ground scouring reported 8medalkid ( talk) 15:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Well not to intrude but I believe if said EF5 but it could be weaker if windspeeds are discovered. User:ComorosFlag —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, there were multiple houses down to clean slabs, including one where it ripped holes into the basement roof. However, we do not know bolting and structural integrity of those homes, so we cannot determine ratings at this time. 8medalkid ( talk) 15:37, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Lets keep it EF3+ just in case since HurricaneGonzalo said its only EF3 in south Lawrence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ComorosFlag ( talk • contribs) 17:27, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/29/large-extremely-dangerous-tornado-rips-through-kansas-causing-multiple-injuries-catastrophic-damages/?utm_term=.4c37571629df This says its higher than EF3. User:ComorosFlag —Preceding undated comment added 18:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh ok thank you for telling me User:ComorosFlag —Preceding undated comment added 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
We are missing meteorological synopses for May 26th-28th Noobeater007 ( talk) 19:54, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
How exactly are we defining this outbreak? The record-setting tornadic part of it is between May 14 - May 28 (29th?), but both the storms and the tornadoes started before that; and we are currently calling the article the "May outbreak". I ask because I am trying to limit flood / flash flood effects to within the scope of the article. Oklahoma alone confirms eight storm-related deaths starting on May 1. Thus far, I have been using mid May as a soft limit, but there was significant flash flooding throughout the Plains/Midwest on May 1 and every day thereafter. This is also relevant for trying to pin down flood-related evacuations. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 22:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I nominated this article for WP:ITN section when the outbreak became record-breaking. If you feel it is WP newsworthy, head over to /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Record-breaking_May_tornado_outbreak and post your vote. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 19:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
It’s getting way too long now and it takes quite a while to scroll down to the notable tornadoes. Splitting the list of tornadoes would help because in cases when we’ve seen over 150–200 tornadoes in an outbreak we usually split it (such as April 14-16, 2011 and the 2011 Super Outbreak). Also the synopsis needs to be seriously condensed as it’s way too big even for a prolonged period like this. -- MarioProtIV ( talk/ contribs) 20:47, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
@ TropicalAnalystwx13: If anyone is unsure of how many tornadoes of a certain rating there were on a day, you can do the following instead of counting manually: Go to this article, click "edit source" for the day you want, hit ctrl + f, and type in what you're looking for (storm, cat1, cat2, et cetera). The number it shows should be the number of tornadoes of that intensity. Hopefully that will help :) Tornadotom666 ( talk) 00:41, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Somewhere WP has a U.S. map template which allows individual states to be coloured (usually used for election purposes). Could someone make up such a map, colouring in every state which has had a tornado during this outbreak, and using a different contrasting colour to indicate states which had only tornado warnings but no actual tornado (I think NY may have been one)? I would like to use it opposite the "Overview" section, since I think it would be useful to indicate the geographical scope of this outbreak. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 08:38, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
What day was the last day of this outbreak? I don't see where it is specified on the article, but I assume it was May 29th because that is where the table stops. Tornadotom666 ( talk) 17:18, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Has it been decided for sure that this tornado event will be referred to as an outbreak sequence? Right now the article has some inconsistency in terms. Tornadotom666 ( talk) 02:22, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
The overview intro is inaccurate, specifically "only four previous documented outbreaks have had more than 100 tornadoes". Not including sequences, there have been several outbreaks not listed in the section that have produced over 100 tornadoes, including Apr 14-16 2011 and May 22-25 2011. Including sequences, May 2003 and May 2004 both saw well over 100 tornadoes. This also isn't the best way to evaluate the significance of tornado events, as many weak tornadoes went unnoticed pre-1980. -- TornadoList2016 ( talk) 14:23, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
One death has been reported in Montgomery County. While it is interconnected with the Dayton storm as a whole, it is not yet known whether the death was specifically caused by the storm; and if so, whether by the tornado, flooding, or other related cause. I linked it in the Dayton-specific section, but I did not add it to the box. If the cause does turn out to be storm-related, one part of the Overview will also have to be adjusted. (Still an unusually low casualty rate for F/EF4 ... does anyone have stats on this?) - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 11:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
The more I research this, the more it seems that the flooding effects of this storm sequence were at least equal to if not more significant than the tornadic impact, and that is before hail and straight-line wind damage is added in (still working on those). I know people come here for the tornadoes, but please don't condense the non-tornadic parts into single paragraphs per section -- it is more complex than that. I am trying to keep a tight focus on the May events, but the overall non-tornadic section will end up as large as the tornadic section. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 12:20, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Should more mention be made of the record-setting heat wave in the U.S. southeast? It was one of the contributing factors to the sequence, and probably deserves its own article in any case. (There may already be one -- I did not check.) - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 12:20, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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