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There are quite a few doubtful points"
nl:Gebruiker:Jcwf 75.178.177.135 ( talk) 01:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
One reason Trdat III of Armenia is sometimes referred to as Trdat IV is that another Trdat, perhaps the murderer of Khosrov II, seems to have ruled, firstly Western Armenia and then (after the accession of Narseh as Shah) the whole of Armenia as a Sassanid client state. The story of Gregory, as son of the murderer Anak, strikes one as being somewhat fanciful. It also doesn't explain what happened to Armenia in the period between Khosrov's murder and Trdat the Great reconquest of Armenia, with Roman support. 217.172.65.199 ( talk) 21:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
There is the problem of two different dates given for the death of Tiridates. At the beginning of the article, it says 339. At the end, it says 330. According to Rome and Persia in Late Antiquity by Beate Dignas and Engelbert Winter, the date is c. 330. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.143.130.80 ( talk) 09:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
It is striking how much the Armenian editors try to hid any connections to the Iranian culture, while in the reality of the day Armenia is benefitted from Iran, the only neighbor with normal relations. My question is from which religion did Tirdad convert from? Do you say that it was not Zoroastrianism? Do you want to say that the Parthians did not have an Iranian religion, IF you call this a non-zoroastrian belief? What was it? Note that I do not intend to be unfriendly, just something that I wanted to say for a long time.-- Babakexorramdin ( talk) 23:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
"For a while, fortune appeared to favour Tiridates. He not only expelled his enemies, but he carried his arms into Assyria. At the time the Persian Empire was in a distracted state. The throne was disputed by the ambition of two contending brothers, Hormuz and Narses. The civil war was, however, soon terminated and Narses was universally acknowledged as King of Persia. Narses then directed his whole force against the foreign enemy. The contest then became too unequal."
This comes directly from Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire but has not been cited or acknowledged as a quote. — Preceding
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No consensus. This is a close call, but there is no consensus for the specific move proposed, or for the suggested alternative of Tiridates the Great. Repeated relisting has not brought this discussion closer to a resolution. BD2412 T 00:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Tiridates III of Armenia → Tiridates IV of Armenia – There was seemingly a Tiridates III who ruled in 287-293 (as shown in the image section of the Iranica article [1]). Also, here is what James Russell states in his work "Zoroastrianism in Armenia, p. 170": "In his inscription at Paikuli, Narseh refers to one Trdat, king of Armenia. Since the inscription was made in 29 3-4, it cannot refer to a Tiridates who was not yet king. Toumanoff therefore suggests that Xosrov was killed by Tiridates III, his brother, the Anak of the legend, who was made king of Armenia by the Sasanians; Xosrov's son, Tiridates IV, escaped to Rome and returned to take the throne in 298." There are lot of other sources who use the regnal number IV for this Tiridates, such as the The Oxford Handbook of Iranian History, The Wiley Blackwell Companion to Zoroastrianism and so on.-- HistoryofIran ( talk) 01:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 18:22, 7 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. b uidh e 05:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Maybe I'm wrong, but Zoroastrism is the first monotheistic religion (that still alives), so if Tiridates was zoroastrian, how he can pray other gods like Anahit? He was syncretic?
And is true his christian fanatism? because there is a lot of black legends about new christians, in the beginning they were good pagan kings and then became tyrannical and cruel christian kings. 83.58.26.168 ( talk) 18:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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nl:Gebruiker:Jcwf 75.178.177.135 ( talk) 01:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
One reason Trdat III of Armenia is sometimes referred to as Trdat IV is that another Trdat, perhaps the murderer of Khosrov II, seems to have ruled, firstly Western Armenia and then (after the accession of Narseh as Shah) the whole of Armenia as a Sassanid client state. The story of Gregory, as son of the murderer Anak, strikes one as being somewhat fanciful. It also doesn't explain what happened to Armenia in the period between Khosrov's murder and Trdat the Great reconquest of Armenia, with Roman support. 217.172.65.199 ( talk) 21:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
There is the problem of two different dates given for the death of Tiridates. At the beginning of the article, it says 339. At the end, it says 330. According to Rome and Persia in Late Antiquity by Beate Dignas and Engelbert Winter, the date is c. 330. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.143.130.80 ( talk) 09:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
It is striking how much the Armenian editors try to hid any connections to the Iranian culture, while in the reality of the day Armenia is benefitted from Iran, the only neighbor with normal relations. My question is from which religion did Tirdad convert from? Do you say that it was not Zoroastrianism? Do you want to say that the Parthians did not have an Iranian religion, IF you call this a non-zoroastrian belief? What was it? Note that I do not intend to be unfriendly, just something that I wanted to say for a long time.-- Babakexorramdin ( talk) 23:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
"For a while, fortune appeared to favour Tiridates. He not only expelled his enemies, but he carried his arms into Assyria. At the time the Persian Empire was in a distracted state. The throne was disputed by the ambition of two contending brothers, Hormuz and Narses. The civil war was, however, soon terminated and Narses was universally acknowledged as King of Persia. Narses then directed his whole force against the foreign enemy. The contest then became too unequal."
This comes directly from Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire but has not been cited or acknowledged as a quote. — Preceding
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No consensus. This is a close call, but there is no consensus for the specific move proposed, or for the suggested alternative of Tiridates the Great. Repeated relisting has not brought this discussion closer to a resolution. BD2412 T 00:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Tiridates III of Armenia → Tiridates IV of Armenia – There was seemingly a Tiridates III who ruled in 287-293 (as shown in the image section of the Iranica article [1]). Also, here is what James Russell states in his work "Zoroastrianism in Armenia, p. 170": "In his inscription at Paikuli, Narseh refers to one Trdat, king of Armenia. Since the inscription was made in 29 3-4, it cannot refer to a Tiridates who was not yet king. Toumanoff therefore suggests that Xosrov was killed by Tiridates III, his brother, the Anak of the legend, who was made king of Armenia by the Sasanians; Xosrov's son, Tiridates IV, escaped to Rome and returned to take the throne in 298." There are lot of other sources who use the regnal number IV for this Tiridates, such as the The Oxford Handbook of Iranian History, The Wiley Blackwell Companion to Zoroastrianism and so on.-- HistoryofIran ( talk) 01:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 18:22, 7 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. b uidh e 05:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Maybe I'm wrong, but Zoroastrism is the first monotheistic religion (that still alives), so if Tiridates was zoroastrian, how he can pray other gods like Anahit? He was syncretic?
And is true his christian fanatism? because there is a lot of black legends about new christians, in the beginning they were good pagan kings and then became tyrannical and cruel christian kings. 83.58.26.168 ( talk) 18:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)