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As a soka gakkai member, I would say that using "esoteric cosmology" to describe what was taught by Tien Tai is wrong. the concept of three thousand worlds in a single life moment is not an esoteric world that exists somewhere apart from us - it's what could even be called a psychological explanation for states of daily life of a living being. So I think it's inaccurate to describe it in such a short way - it's really easy to misinterpret something like that. Shouldn't there be instead some more in depth writing in this page of some of the other doctrines taught by Tien Tai?
I've added a POV tag to the top of this article. There are a few statements throughout the article that praise Tiantai practices and doctrine. For example: "In China it has been traditionally held that the meditation methods of the Tiantai are the most systematic and comprehensive of all." This seems to reflect only the view of practitioners of Tiantai. Chan or Pure Land buddhists would not hold this so-called traditional view. It's not that the statement can't be included, but it should be qualified as to who said and in what context, and also presented with a contrasting view that I'm sure exists. Furthermore, David Chappell, as a Tiantai oriented Buddhist, is not a very objective source, while Charles Luk is rather outdated, especially considering he was active before the Cultural Revolution in China. Having the whole article more or less based on these two does not provide a neutral view of the subject matter. DJLayton4 ( talk) 18:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I see no reason why Tendai and Cheontae have separate pages. Similar to what is done with Zen, these schools are all based on Tiantai, and should have one basic page that covers the subject comprehensively, and then also covers developments in other countries (e.g. esotericism in Japan). Most of the material could be kept, and the resulting article would be a more valuable resource than three separate and disjointed ones, when much material is relevant to all schools. Tengu800 14:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Didn't Japanese Tendai incorporate Shingon into it? I'd have to research it. But for now, I'd be in favour of keeping the pages seperate. Steve ( talk) 00:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
The differences of Tien-tai and Tendai are significant, more than is reflected in the Tendai article itself. A split would not reflect the Japanese tradition as was formed during the time of Saicho into medieval Buddhism as developed in Japan. In fact, the amount of missing information in the Tendai article is significant as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by STLBuddhist ( talk • contribs) 02:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
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I recently read a post by a Japanese Tendai priest about the name, but he says 台 refers to celestial bodies (as in 三台), not a platform.. He says before Zhiyi Daoist practices were common on the mountain including star worship and that the character in Chinese in the Sui dynasty for a platform was 臺. Therefore Tiantai would be correctly translated as "mountain of the heavenly stars" not "platform of heaven" as it would be if read in modern PRC Chinese or Japanese.
Does anybody know about this? I know in Taiwan they still differentiate between the two characters. Rufe12 ( talk) 11:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
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As a soka gakkai member, I would say that using "esoteric cosmology" to describe what was taught by Tien Tai is wrong. the concept of three thousand worlds in a single life moment is not an esoteric world that exists somewhere apart from us - it's what could even be called a psychological explanation for states of daily life of a living being. So I think it's inaccurate to describe it in such a short way - it's really easy to misinterpret something like that. Shouldn't there be instead some more in depth writing in this page of some of the other doctrines taught by Tien Tai?
I've added a POV tag to the top of this article. There are a few statements throughout the article that praise Tiantai practices and doctrine. For example: "In China it has been traditionally held that the meditation methods of the Tiantai are the most systematic and comprehensive of all." This seems to reflect only the view of practitioners of Tiantai. Chan or Pure Land buddhists would not hold this so-called traditional view. It's not that the statement can't be included, but it should be qualified as to who said and in what context, and also presented with a contrasting view that I'm sure exists. Furthermore, David Chappell, as a Tiantai oriented Buddhist, is not a very objective source, while Charles Luk is rather outdated, especially considering he was active before the Cultural Revolution in China. Having the whole article more or less based on these two does not provide a neutral view of the subject matter. DJLayton4 ( talk) 18:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I see no reason why Tendai and Cheontae have separate pages. Similar to what is done with Zen, these schools are all based on Tiantai, and should have one basic page that covers the subject comprehensively, and then also covers developments in other countries (e.g. esotericism in Japan). Most of the material could be kept, and the resulting article would be a more valuable resource than three separate and disjointed ones, when much material is relevant to all schools. Tengu800 14:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Didn't Japanese Tendai incorporate Shingon into it? I'd have to research it. But for now, I'd be in favour of keeping the pages seperate. Steve ( talk) 00:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
The differences of Tien-tai and Tendai are significant, more than is reflected in the Tendai article itself. A split would not reflect the Japanese tradition as was formed during the time of Saicho into medieval Buddhism as developed in Japan. In fact, the amount of missing information in the Tendai article is significant as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by STLBuddhist ( talk • contribs) 02:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
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I recently read a post by a Japanese Tendai priest about the name, but he says 台 refers to celestial bodies (as in 三台), not a platform.. He says before Zhiyi Daoist practices were common on the mountain including star worship and that the character in Chinese in the Sui dynasty for a platform was 臺. Therefore Tiantai would be correctly translated as "mountain of the heavenly stars" not "platform of heaven" as it would be if read in modern PRC Chinese or Japanese.
Does anybody know about this? I know in Taiwan they still differentiate between the two characters. Rufe12 ( talk) 11:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)