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The Plot is too short and needs to be expanded in more detail, also the reception needs to be expanded as well.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 22:11, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
What many users and readers overlook, Box Office Mojo often doesn't include full Box Office tallies for worldwide, especially when it comes to foreign films or small-budget films. This isn't speculation, its actually pretty clear if you know how to interpret BOM properly. There is a section titled "Foreign total", which is indicated with n/a in the case of incomplete data.
Take for example: The Departed or Tron Legacy, major films with "Foreign totals" of [$157,463,039] and [$228,000,000], respectively. In contrast to The Raid 2 (n/a) or say Yakuza Apocolpyse (n/a). The latter of which, it only has records for 1 theater ($12,756).
However, on the Japanese wikipedia page, there is an additional citation stating 22 million yen (approx. $1.9 million in end-of-2014 currency rates) citing Kinema Junpo, late-March 2015, pg, 93 for the Japan BO. I would like to know if any other user has any input or know-how, or perhaps Japanese-speaking users who may have the ability to do some further digging? – DA1 ( talk) 14:54, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Punkalyptic, another reliable independent source should be provided for the $6.6 million ww total. Adding the North American totals as well as those in other regions constitutes blatant synthesis because you're reporting a figure that is not explicitly reported by the source. If you've seen the link, you'd find out that BOM considers the $2.6 million domestic gross to be the ww gross. Tks, Slightlymad ( talk ⋅ contribs) 07:33, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Since a last few days, a user edited the main genre of the film and shifted it from martial arts action to crime genre. He had a source which had the director saying, "This is not a martial arts film and a gangster-crime film with yakuza, crime drama elements." He never refused to call it an action film and also said that this is what he feels like towards the film; not that it's really true.
Plus if you leave his statement aside, every single publication from major to minor addresses it as an action film. I'm not saying it doesn't come under the crime genre, but this film is known worldwide for its action more than story. But in another interview, Gareth said, "We’ve got 16 or 17 action set pieces in the film. There’s about an hour of nothing but action. When you think about it, the rest of the drama is about one hour and 22. It’s either a very short drama or a long action film." Source: http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/116382-interview-gareth-evans-on-the-raid-2s-intense-action-and-deadpan-humor#U5zg1wuUYvmFxyUF.99
Even logically, why would a director who adds this much action sequences refuse to say that he has made an action film? Crime films usually tends to be dramas or thrillers but not really action. Calling it just a crime film would mean it has no action. Plus, the director's statement is not definitive and just subjective. And that statement about yakuza, crime drama elements is not present everywhere but just in one article. He never said that in any other interview!
I would like more editors to analyze this, because just one editor cannot decide it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MyBleedingHeart ( talk • contribs) 09:45, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I agree that not calling action films as action films is absolutely ridiculous. It only shows too much of subjective mindset viewers hold. They have over years regarded action as a pointless genre and that's not good given the fact that there have been so many great action movies like The Dark Knight, Dunkirk and Mad Max which have won Oscars. Thus, considering a genre to be derogatory is highly condemnable, especially to me who loves action films and has been seen such viewers vandalise the genres on IMDB.
Coming to your question, I'd like to tell that the focus of The Raid 2 is:
- Neither politics nor mind games. The focus is clearly and entirely action. To make it even clear, it has around 16-17 nonstop, large scale action sequences.
There's a plot which involves some crime elements but they are just elements and not the focus of the film. Because if they had been, I'd have never argued with that user in the first place.
The Raid 2 clearly falls under the action genre and crime is a subgenre. But that editor is rarely ready to accept. He even made it clear that he was editing pages according to his own watch list. I even explained him everything in detail but in the end all I got what threat to be reported. MyBleedingHeart ( talk) 21:21, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
The article lists the film as being in Indonesian and Japanese. Does this film contain significant amounts of Japanese? Template:Infobox film says "Insert the language primarily used in the film". (The BBFC listing for The Raid 2 isn't helpful as it only lists English, for the subtitles.) Japanese should not be listed unless the film includes a significant amount of Japanese. -- 109.78.199.78 ( talk) 15:43, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion on 21 October 2013. The result of the discussion was keep. |
This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
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A member of the Guild of Copy Editors, Miniapolis, reviewed a version of this article for copy editing on October 21, 2013. However, a major copy edit was inappropriate at that time because of the issues specified below, or the other tags now found on this article. Once these issues have been addressed, and any related tags have been cleared, please tag the article once again for {{ copyedit}}. The Guild welcomes all editors with a good grasp of English. Visit our project page if you are interested in joining! |
The Plot is too short and needs to be expanded in more detail, also the reception needs to be expanded as well.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 22:11, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
What many users and readers overlook, Box Office Mojo often doesn't include full Box Office tallies for worldwide, especially when it comes to foreign films or small-budget films. This isn't speculation, its actually pretty clear if you know how to interpret BOM properly. There is a section titled "Foreign total", which is indicated with n/a in the case of incomplete data.
Take for example: The Departed or Tron Legacy, major films with "Foreign totals" of [$157,463,039] and [$228,000,000], respectively. In contrast to The Raid 2 (n/a) or say Yakuza Apocolpyse (n/a). The latter of which, it only has records for 1 theater ($12,756).
However, on the Japanese wikipedia page, there is an additional citation stating 22 million yen (approx. $1.9 million in end-of-2014 currency rates) citing Kinema Junpo, late-March 2015, pg, 93 for the Japan BO. I would like to know if any other user has any input or know-how, or perhaps Japanese-speaking users who may have the ability to do some further digging? – DA1 ( talk) 14:54, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Punkalyptic, another reliable independent source should be provided for the $6.6 million ww total. Adding the North American totals as well as those in other regions constitutes blatant synthesis because you're reporting a figure that is not explicitly reported by the source. If you've seen the link, you'd find out that BOM considers the $2.6 million domestic gross to be the ww gross. Tks, Slightlymad ( talk ⋅ contribs) 07:33, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Since a last few days, a user edited the main genre of the film and shifted it from martial arts action to crime genre. He had a source which had the director saying, "This is not a martial arts film and a gangster-crime film with yakuza, crime drama elements." He never refused to call it an action film and also said that this is what he feels like towards the film; not that it's really true.
Plus if you leave his statement aside, every single publication from major to minor addresses it as an action film. I'm not saying it doesn't come under the crime genre, but this film is known worldwide for its action more than story. But in another interview, Gareth said, "We’ve got 16 or 17 action set pieces in the film. There’s about an hour of nothing but action. When you think about it, the rest of the drama is about one hour and 22. It’s either a very short drama or a long action film." Source: http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/116382-interview-gareth-evans-on-the-raid-2s-intense-action-and-deadpan-humor#U5zg1wuUYvmFxyUF.99
Even logically, why would a director who adds this much action sequences refuse to say that he has made an action film? Crime films usually tends to be dramas or thrillers but not really action. Calling it just a crime film would mean it has no action. Plus, the director's statement is not definitive and just subjective. And that statement about yakuza, crime drama elements is not present everywhere but just in one article. He never said that in any other interview!
I would like more editors to analyze this, because just one editor cannot decide it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MyBleedingHeart ( talk • contribs) 09:45, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I agree that not calling action films as action films is absolutely ridiculous. It only shows too much of subjective mindset viewers hold. They have over years regarded action as a pointless genre and that's not good given the fact that there have been so many great action movies like The Dark Knight, Dunkirk and Mad Max which have won Oscars. Thus, considering a genre to be derogatory is highly condemnable, especially to me who loves action films and has been seen such viewers vandalise the genres on IMDB.
Coming to your question, I'd like to tell that the focus of The Raid 2 is:
- Neither politics nor mind games. The focus is clearly and entirely action. To make it even clear, it has around 16-17 nonstop, large scale action sequences.
There's a plot which involves some crime elements but they are just elements and not the focus of the film. Because if they had been, I'd have never argued with that user in the first place.
The Raid 2 clearly falls under the action genre and crime is a subgenre. But that editor is rarely ready to accept. He even made it clear that he was editing pages according to his own watch list. I even explained him everything in detail but in the end all I got what threat to be reported. MyBleedingHeart ( talk) 21:21, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
The article lists the film as being in Indonesian and Japanese. Does this film contain significant amounts of Japanese? Template:Infobox film says "Insert the language primarily used in the film". (The BBFC listing for The Raid 2 isn't helpful as it only lists English, for the subtitles.) Japanese should not be listed unless the film includes a significant amount of Japanese. -- 109.78.199.78 ( talk) 15:43, 15 August 2019 (UTC)