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32,000 girls being trafficked from Kerala is obvious bunkum but is Shalini Unnikrishnan's ordeal based on any true story? TrangaBellam ( talk) 18:03, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
I was trying to bust ‘love jihad’ theory [..] I come from a Communist family and do not believe in ‘love jihad’, a concept which is even being propagated by the likes of UP chief minister Yogi Adityanath. And this is exactly what I wanted to show through my film [..] There is nothing like "love jihad" but the problem is forceful conversions
— Sudipto Sen, in April 2018, defending his documentary against JNU students who alleged his work to advocate for the existence of Love Jihad.
Sen said [that] he didn’t believe "love jihad" exists. However, the film’s official poster and ads described it as a film on "love jihad".
— Times of India, covering the JNU fracas in May 2018.
This political compulsion is such that a Union minister is compelled to tell Parliament: "No constitutional phrase like "love jihad" exists in Indian legal system or society." There is no doubt about the fact that India is a multicultural and diverse country. Inter-religion marriage exists traditionally in our society, from time immemorial. Love itself is religion in our faith and belief. But in these "love jihad" cases, conversion to Islam is the precondition of "love" -- and here lies the conspiracy.
— Sudipto Sen, in September 2021, reminiscing the context of the documentary.
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I want add this data in article AKASH TH15 ( talk) 16:27, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Opinions cannot be written as facts in Wikipedia's own voice, as per WP:VOICE.
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@ Tayi Arajakate Please cite the relevant text from those two articles you are using to show that the film was stated to have portrayed itself as a true story, and is stated to be a making a "false claim"? Captain Jack Sparrow ( talk) 06:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. Not only are you combining what was written in different parts of the source, you are combining the whole source to reach a conclusion not found anywhere in the source. That is WP:SYNTH. The reports say there is no supporting evidence for it. You say its a false claim. Reports say people applauded filmmakers on Twitter for portraying a true story. You claim filmmakers said the story was true. Both are different. Captain Jack Sparrow ( talk) 09:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Directed by Sudipto Sen and produced by Vipul Amrutlal Shah, ‘The Kerala Story’ claims to unearth the happenings behind 32,000 women who went missing in the state of Kerala. Sharing the teaser of the movie, Sen tweeted, “Shalini, Geetanjali, Nimah &Asifa marked my lifeline since last 5yrs. Choking me till I tell their stories. Soon u’ll get to see a film which u never imagined, in ur remotest imagination. Thank u Ambikaji, @YaduVJkrishnan, @sunshinepicture & Vipul A Shah from bottom of my heart.”
In a conversation with ANI published in ThePrint in March 2022, Sen further said, “As per a recent investigation, since 2009 – nearly 32,000 girls from Kerala and Mangalore from Hindu and Christian communities have been converted to Islam and most of them end up landing in Syria, Afghanistan, and other ISIS and Haqqani influential areas! Despite accepting these facts, the government is hardly contemplating any definitive action plan against such huge international conspiracies led by ISIS-influenced groups.” The character of Fatima, seen in the teaser, is played by actress Adah Sharma. She also shared the viral clip with the hashtag #TrueStory.
To sum it up, Alt News found that Sudipto Sen, the director of ‘The Kerala Story’, has repeatedly claimed that 32,000 women have joined ISIS either from India or just Kerala, and mentioned this in his film, without any evidence to back the claim.
The film has courted controversy for claiming that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS, without evidence to support this claimis much more accurate to the source than the current "summary". Captain Jack Sparrow ( talk) 10:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
"32,000 girls are recruited in ISIS in the past ten years" are taken from an unknown website which they can't find now.Also they changed this claim in there teaser from 32,000 to 3 girls. Looks like they have made film on data provided by some unreliable source which is not alive now. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 11:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Please add that Supreme Court quashed petitioner's request to stay the release of film and asked petitioner to go to High Court.
CJI quoted "No, we cannot entertain this. We are not seized of the case. The Central Board of Film Certification cleared it. The Kerala High Court refused to stay, and we declined yesterday. Now, after three steps, it is improper for us to hear this." "That bench has applied its mind. Think from the view of the film producer. How many challenges will he face? You must think of the actors and producers – they have all put in their labour. You must be very careful about seeking a stay on films"
Sudipto Sen in a television interview to Republic TV on 4th May said that Censor Board clear it after 2 months of scrutiny as they provided video evidence of every single interview to censor board. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyeX864McCg 118.189.49.2 ( talk) 07:11, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
The IMDb rating of the movie The Kerala Stories is 8.2. Times Now has rated it as 3.5. How do I add these facts in the reception section? here are supporting links
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt24268454/
https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/the-kerala-story-movie-review-the-kerala-story-imdb-rating-public-review-reaction-the-kerala-story-twitter-review-updates-article-100011217/amp
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I would say it could be argued that "it faces allegations of promoting the Sangh Parivar's agenda."
doesn't belong in the lead as it is a political allegation made by political parties. We should keep it limited to the opposition section as we have already stated in the lead that this movie portrays false claims. >>>
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"Political parties in Kerala have accused the filmmakers of promoting the conspiracy theory of Love Jihad.": How about that? Two non-sangh parties accusing something of sangh-like activities is not very explanatory to me. We should be a bit more specific. >>> Extorc. talk 10:03, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
I have removed that
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In a few hours, I will restore the content as in this version but preserve the couple of lines about litigation. TrangaBellam ( talk) 09:22, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Sen, the director of the film, has made such claims for years; in 2018, he had directed a documentary on the involuntary mass-conversion of 33,000 Hindu and Christian girls to Islam as part of an "international conspiracy" to render Kerala an Islamic state.
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A sentence in the lead reads, "The plot follows the story of a group of women from Kerala who converted to Islam and joined the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)"; please change it to, "The plot follows the real life story of a group of women from Kerala who converted to Islam and joined the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)."- 1Firang ( talk) 17:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
The movie tells the "true stories of three young girls from different parts of Kerala," [3].- 1Firang ( talk) 11:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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Déjà vu? — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 21:17, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
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I want to write the plot as I just watched the movie. Redskyredsun ( talk) 14:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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The 32000 missing girls from kerala is a wrong information and it will be 3 37.131.43.118 ( talk) 04:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
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The claim for love jihad being conspiracy theory of sangh pariwar is utter baseless propoganda by Congress , coz there are proofs that suggest targetted conversion of non muslim women takes place ! Even Kerala bishop has admitted this 103.151.234.245 ( talk) 10:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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"'32000 Kerala women in ISIS': Misquotes, flawed math, imaginary figures behind filmmaker's claim". Alt News. 8 November 2022."
has become invalidated as there is no claim in the entire film about 32000 women joining ISIS. The film only mentions about 32000 women missing from Kerala state but does not elaborate on reasons and does not specify that the missing women joined ISIS either. If after the fact when film has been released, a reference become an instance of misreporting, should its use be continued? ram das ᵐᵘˡʰⁱᵈ 00:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
This topic may be removed. The director has indeed made changes to the movie after this news was published. ram das ᵐᵘˡʰⁱᵈ 20:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
The budget of the film from the infobox is not visible. please inter the correct amount of it's making in the box. 139.5.240.129 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Change "The Kerala Story is a 2023 Indian Hindi-language film” to “The Kerala Story is a 2023 Hindutva Propaganda Indian Hindi-language film" 2405:201:C001:B8A1:A5CD:8737:B5A4:2AF5 ( talk) 11:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC) [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
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please add in the Cast
The film recently broke the record of the biggest opening week collection for a female centric film in India. It should be added in box office section since it was added in all previous record holders and all successful female lead films has such information about their opening day/weekend/week numbers among the female lead films. There are many sources available on internet, if you want i can provide as well. JabSaiyaan ( talk) 13:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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"The Kerala Story" is a powerful and thought-provoking film that sheds light on the critical issue of "love jihad" in India. Directed by Sudipto Sen and produced by Vipul Amrutlal Shah, this film features an all-star cast including Adah Sharma, Yogita Bihani, Sonia Balani, and Siddhi Idnani. The plot of the film revolves around the story of a group of women from Kerala who are allegedly converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS. This film has been endorsed by the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) as it highlights the truth about this sensitive issue.
Despite facing criticism from a few reviewers who have labeled it as propaganda, "The Kerala Story" has successfully connected with audiences across India. The BJP has used this film as a campaigning tool for the Karnataka assembly election and has rightfully claimed that it represents the ground reality. Despite facing push-back from certain groups and legal cases, this film has been a box office success, grossing over ₹81.36 crore (US$10 million) and becoming the fifth-highest-grossing Hindi film of 2023. "The Kerala Story" is a must-watch film that highlights the truth about "love jihad" and showcases the importance of national unity and security. 206.84.238.84 ( talk) 12:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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103.87.59.104 ( talk) 13:03, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
the material about kerla story movie is bious. Your article is fake.
Can there please be a separate page that talks only about the movie and not about Indian politics which is screwed up as it is? 123.201.245.113 ( talk) 00:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
"And falsely claims that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS" This is not false, there are alot of sources which talks about it please watch this video to learn in detail There is a YouTube channel named AKTK Which explains it And also included all the sources in the video To find the video please search on YouTube "AKTK Kerala story" and pm supported this movie, and other politicians too, I don't think that you are more important than them. 223.191.23.148 ( talk) 05:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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it is not a conspiracy theory cases has been registered in india aginst LOVE JIHAD please remove the word "falsely" as it nothing but truth 2405:201:6808:983E:91E0:FBDE:7763:3511 ( talk) 06:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Here's the version of the plot I submitted in an edit request:
In Afghanistan, Fathima Ba lives in a hideout with her husband Ishaq, a Mujahedeen fighter, and a baby son. Ishaq is shown to martial rape Fathima. Done with the abuse, Fathima volunteers to go to Syria, but defects to UN peacekeeping forces while crossing over Turkey. She recounts her story to the officials.
Fathima was born Shalini Unnikrishnan to a Brahmin family in Kerala's Thiruvananthapuram. She joins a nursing college in Kasargod, where her hostel roommates are Geethanjali, Nimah Matthews and Asfiya. Geethanjali is the daughter of an atheist Communist, while Nimah is Catholic and Asfiya is Muslim. They start spending time with Asfiya's cousins Ramiz and Khaliq. Over time, Asfiya introduces her friends to concepts of Jahannam and hijab. She encounters resistance only from Nimah, who is a devout Christian. Asfiya is shown to have nefarious intentions. She orchestrates an eve teasing attack on the three in a public place and, convincing Shalini and Geethanjali their dressing provoked it, makes them wear a headscarf.
Love blossoms between Shalini and Ramiz and Geethanjali and Khaliq, and the pairs have sex. Shalini gets pregnant and is convinced by Ramiz to convert to Islam and take on the name Fathima Ba. However, after conversion, she is informed that he died in a mission after volunteering as a Mujahedeen. A local cleric convinces Fathima that her family will not support her pregnancy before marriage and conversion, and that she should marry someone else. Fathima marries Ishaq, someone recommended by the cleric, unaware that he is wanted for several national security crimes.
Meanwhile, Geethanjali figures out that they are being manipulated and confronts Khaliq, but he blackmails her with her nudes. A distraught Geethanjali, faced with the choice to bear humiliation or marry him, dies by suicide. Ishaq and Fsthima travel to Colombo on pretext of a honeymoon, but in reality, are stopping over for their journey to Afghanistan. While in Colombo, Nimah contacts Fathima and tries to tell her to return, but she feels it is too late.
A pregnant Fathima, exposed to the atrocities happening in Afghanistan in the name of religion, regrets her decision. In the present day, she tells the officials that she defected on purpose and asks them to reunite her with her son. The officials tell her that there is no evidence for her story, and she remains in prison.
Ive tried to use neutral wording wherever possible. please see if it can be added to the articles/and address any concerns you mightve with POV here. The current plot is just two sentences and obviously not long term sustainable. 2001:8F8:172B:51C3:8C21:DDFF:3737:80AD ( talk) 09:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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117.196.199.49 ( talk) 06:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
seems to be prejudiced view with Political / Leftist intentions rather than unbiased Information ; need more neutral view with only objective information
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I want to add reliable information about missing girls directly from NCRB data to add values in reliability of trusted [1]wikipedia Gaurav Mahar Jai Bhim ( talk) 13:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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It should be noyed that none of the cast are from Kerala nor have lived in Kerala for any time. The lack of Kerala advisors or staff working on yhe movie contributes to critism that the story and settings are unauthentic. 172.58.111.64 ( talk) 15:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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A sentence reads, ' The film is premised on the conspiracy theory of "love jihad",[5] and erroneously claims that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS'; please change it to 'The film is based on the widely observed cases of "love jihad" in Kerela [1] ,[5] and proves that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS Jatinbaranwal ( talk) 06:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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I saw the movie. Please now add this to the plot section:-
The movie begins with a display that it is based on true incidents and portrays how some female nursing students are brainwashed by one Asifa, some Muslim boys and Muslim priests into believing that Islam is superior to other religions - that
Kafirs (non-Muslims) burn in hell, that Jesus was unable to save himself from being tortured to death and hence cannot save others, that Krishna had so many girlfriends, that if one wants money, a Hindu has to pray to a particular God and if one wants power, that Hindu has to pray to another different God and so on but instead, if they pray to "Allah" who is the only God, He alone grants what is asked for. In a mall, these girls are molested but instead of helping them lodge a complaint, they are brain washed by Asifa to believe that if they wear a hijab, which will make them appear decent, these things will not happen and they comply. The Muslim boys are given money and told to do, "love jihad" and even get the girls pregnant if needed. Then one girl realises what is happening and goes back to her parents but unfortunately for her, her Muslim boyfriend who has her nude photos blackmails her to go with him to Syria to join the ISIS but when she refuses, he gets those nude photos uploaded from servers in Pakistan, Malaysia and so on and when that girl hears the news about it, she commits suicide. A Christian classmate of the female lead character is drugged and raped repeatedly but she realises that they are trying to send her to Syria and avoids it. The female lead character, Shalini Unnikrishnan who becomes Fatima Ba after conversion (later) gets pregnant and breaks the news to her boyfriend. Initially, he refuses to acknowledge that that is his child, then she is brainwashed to believe that if she converts to Islam and marries him, all will be fine but he supposedly flies off to the Maldives (but it is shown that he is hiding and watching Shalini and later even seduces another group of girls), so she is told by a Moulvi, that is, a Muslim priest, that she can convert to islam and marry another person called Ishaq. She is further brainwashed that it is a sin to get pregnant before marriage and over that she comes from a family of Kafirs and so, if she goes to Syria to serve the Caliph, Allah will forgive her sins. Ishaq then takes Shalini to Afghanistan and says that they will halt there temporarily in an ISIS hideout and then proceed to Syria. He then rapes her after saying that if a man wants to make love to his wife, the wife should oblige. Shalini then tries to escape but encounters horrible scenes of people being shot and then when she sees a woman's hand being chopped off and her husband undergoing "halaal (neck being cut a little and allowing the victim to bleed to death)", she faints. When she regains consciousness, the wife of the Commander who chopped the woman's hand off tells Shalini that it is futile trying to escape. When Shallini asks what the fault of the woman was due to which her hand was chopped off, she gets the response that she wore lipstick and her husband allowed it which is why they met that fate. Then Shalini is shown to get help from the wife of that Commander, a couple of times. On one occasion, Shalini is able to access a mobile - which is considered "haraam" and not to be used and hence kept away from her - at a neighbour's house and that neighbour's husband finds out about the mobile and shoots her dead. Then Shalini is given news that her husband was killed in a drone strike near Herat and so, she is taken to a camp where there are other women also and these women, including Shalini, are used as sex slaves and a lady complains about the same to the other women - Shalini is also parted from her infant. Then, Shalini and two other women escape but they are found and the two women are shot dead but Shalini escapes by jumping off a cliff and falls unconcious. Then, she is found by the United Nations peace keeping force and incarcerated as a Terrorist and told that the Indian Government considers her a dreaded terrorist, "Fatima Ba". Later it is shown that the boy who seduced Shalini is seducing another group of students with the help of his friends. Shalini's Christian friend goes to the Police to lodge a complaint about what happened but the Police refuse to take her complaint for lack of evidence. At the end, the real life interviews of the parents of the love jihad victims are shown in their mother tongue, Malayalam.
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1. in 3rd line of page which states "The film has courted controversy for falsely claiming that thousands .." remove this world falsely as it make statement quite bias and judgmental rather than being neutral. Singhal.iitr ( talk) 15:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
As per WP, a propaganda film "is made with the intent that the viewer will adopt the position promoted by the propagator and eventually take action towards making those ideas widely accepted."
This film fits this description very perfectly. The propagators has time and again said that the viewers must adopt the position promoted by the film makers and take action.
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Expand plot: In Afghanistan, Fathima Ba lives in a hideout with her husband Ishaq, a Mujahedeen fighter, and a baby son. Ishaq is shown to martial rape Fathima. Deciding to escape, Fathima volunteers to go to Syria, but is captured by UN peacekeeping forces while crossing over Turkey. She recounts her story to the officials.
Fathima was born Shalini Unnikrishnan to a Brahmin family in Kerala's Thiruvananthapuram. She joins a nursing college in Kasargod, where her hostel roommates are Geethanjali, Nimah Matthews and Asfiya. Geethanjali is the daughter of an atheist Communist, while Nimah is Catholic and Asfiya is Muslim. They start spending time with Asfiya's cousins Ramiz and Khaliq. Over time, Asfiya introduces her friends to concepts of Jahannam and hijab. Nimah, a devout Christian, expresses reservations about Asfiya’s preaching, while her friends are more accepting. With the help of her aides, Asfiya orchestrates an eve teasing attack on the three in a public place and, convincing Shalini and Geethanjali their dressing provoked it, introduce them to wearing a headscarf.
Love blossoms between Shalini and Ramiz and Geethanjali and Khaliq, and the pairs have sex. Shalini gets pregnant and is convinced by Ramiz to convert to Islam and take on the name Fathima Ba. After conversion, she is informed that he died in a mission after volunteering as a Mujahedeen. A local cleric convinces Fathima that her family will not support her pregnancy before marriage and conversion, and that she should marry someone else. Fathima marries Ishaq, someone recommended by the cleric, unaware that he is wanted for several national security crimes.
Meanwhile, Geethanjali starts to think they were manipulated and confronts Khaliq, but he blackmails her with explicit pictures into cooperating with him. Faced with the choice to bear humiliation or marry him, she dies by suicide. Ishaq and Fathima travel to Colombo on pretext of a honeymoon, but in reality, are stopping over for their journey to Afghanistan. While in Colombo, Nimah contacts Fathima and tries to tell her to return, but she refuses, feeling it is too late.
The pregnant Fathima finds Afghanistan to be different from what she was told, and begins to regret her decision. In the present day, she tells the officials that she had defected to the forces on purpose by making them awakes of her location, and asks them to reunite her with her son. The officials tell her that there is no evidence for her story, and she remains in prison. 2001:8F8:172B:51C3:8C21:DDFF:3737:80AD ( talk) 08:39, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
1. Kerela Catholic Bishops comes out in support of of The kerela story KCBC support 2.Prime Minister Narendra Modi, while addressing a rally in Karnataka's Ballari, also supported the film. “'The Kerala Story' film is based on a terror conspiracy. It shows the ugly truth of terrorism and exposes terrorists' design. Congress is opposing the film made on terrorism and standing with terror tendencies. Congress has shielded terrorism for the vote bank," he said. Prime minister of India supported the movie 3.Uttar Pradesh, Goa and Assam's chief ministers supported the movie by asserting that it is based on true events Chief ministers of UP, Assam and Goa supported the movie 4. Bollywood Comes In Support Of “The Kerala Story”, Questions The Ban. Bolywood celebrities such as Anupam kher, Kanagana Ranaut, Shabana Azmi supported it Bolywood supports the movie Shabana Azmi criticises people who call for ban for the kerela story
@ Tayi Arajakate:, did you intend to revert all these edits? If yes, any reason to preserve the "attempted to" wording and excluding the ban, which has been covered in international media, from the lead? TryKid dubious – discuss 08:26, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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In the Reception section, and Box Office subsection, the statement "The film performed well in most of India but performed poorly in the states of Kerala, Tamil Nadu and West Bengal", is misleading. The film was banned in West Bengal and exhibitors withdrew in Tamil Nadu due to pressure and threat. This is the reason why it didn't perform in these 2 states. The sentence gives the impression that it didn't perform under normal circumstances. [1] skmishra 08:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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Please change, ".....only to be abducted from her home and coerced by extremist groups. She was eventually manipulated into joining ISIS and ended up imprisoned in Afghanistan." to, ".....only to be brainwashed into converting to Islam and marrying a Muslim and travelling with him to the Caliphate of ISIS to live according to the sunnah which would help get forgiveness for her sins. She was eventually manipulated into joining the ISIS and ended up imprisoned in Afghanistan when trying to get to Syria via Afghanistan." [1] in the plot section.- 1Firang ( talk) 18:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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=Response== Kanewiki01 ( talk) 12:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Did some research and perhaps these are the women that the main character(s) are based off of. Not sure how to add it eloquently. https://www.opindia .com/2023/04/know-nimisha-alias-fathima-on-whom-the-lead-character-in-the-kerala-story-is-based/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/kerala-woman-spots-her-daughter-nimisha-among-is-cadres-who-surrendered-in-afghanistan/articleshow/72268992.cms NayruBlue ( talk) 16:08, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
On the Love jihad talk page, I have mentioned some cases (other cases are not) of Love jihad in Kerala here - I don't want to repeat those here. Please add them to this article also if you people deem it fit. I am new here and can't make 500 edits to become eligible to edit this article.- 1Firang ( talk) 10:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
External link to be added as Films set in Afghanistan as the plot does involve a scene set in Afghanistan Zoyenom ( talk) 15:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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false information about collection Moh sabik ( talk) 08:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
TrangaBellam ( talk) 14:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
We can start with UK [1] >>> Extorc. talk 08:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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1.'Their husbands ' should be changed to 'their respective husbands ' 2. Spelling of 'faired' should be corrected to 'fared' Gyaan Sharma ( talk) 19:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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Change "The Kerala Story is a 2023 Indian Hindi-language drama film directed by Sudipto Sen and produced by Vipul Amrutlal Shah" to "The Kerala Story movie is based on real incidents. 26 girls came in front of media to counter all the allegations, who were calling it a propaganda. Here is the press conference link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t99UZMzkGWU 24.239.134.31 ( talk) 07:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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You cannot have a one sided page with in accurate representations made for liberal agenda.
It has to be fairly represented from both side of the coin
Wiki cannot have a biased or polarised opinion
Freedom of speech should be respected 37.131.72.135 ( talk) 15:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Someone who watched this film can help us by sharing its plot here, please adhere to Neutral point of view. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 05:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Box office est. ₹260 crore (US$32 million) 169.148.30.143 ( talk) 11:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
theres a typo it says wildy inaccurate should be wildly* 72.205.168.63 ( talk) 19:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
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There are several evidence from NIA and 2009 high court judgements. Well, 26 real life witness are shown by the movie director and producer to prove it is a real story. The supreme court has ordered to put disclaimer that it is the fictionalized reperesentation of real life events. Justice Chandrachud also stated if you don't like it then don't watch it. I am giving reference to 26 victims that were taken to isis from kerela [1] https://www.news18.com/movies/the-kerala-story-team-introduces-26-real-victims-vipul-shah-says-people-tried-to-discredit-us-over-32000-7841089.html NDTV has also opined that love jihad is prevalent everywhere and not only in kerela, the earlier editor of ndtv criticised kerela story but now it is praised by ndtv NDTV says it's just not kerela story Wikipedia page mentions only criticism but not support towards the film. Ram gopal verma comes in support of the kerela story Shabana Azmi in support of The kerela story Kangana Ranaut supports The kerela story Anupam kher defends the kerela story Wikipedia page only shows the negative side and ignores the support by everyone, many actors and actresses have supported it. Supreme court also says the disclaimer should be that it is fictionalized version in movie of the events happened, it has not said that film is fiction. where is the evidence that is fiction? who said that? Only the leftist and some unreliable data which has nothing to do with real evidence. I hope my references will be added and the support for the movie will be shown on wiki page and also the change will be made that film represents fictionalized version of the events happened , it is not fiction, it has not authentic evidence to backup 32000 girls claim but can claim thousands. The supreme court judgement should be interpreted in the same manner as it said, and it doesn't say that is fiction. Kanewiki01 ( talk) 09:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
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Wikipedia page mentions only criticism and protest under the response heading but not support towards the film. So I'm listing some references below- Ram gopal verma comes in support of the kerela story Shabana Azmi in support of The kerela story Kangana Ranaut supports The kerela story Anupam kher defends the kerela story [12] https://www.cnbctv18.com/entertainment/work-of-art-kerala-catholic-bishops-council-comes-out-in-support-of-the-kerala-story-16618241.htm [13] https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/kangana-ranaut-calls-ban-on-the-kerala-story-unconstitutional-8625305/#:~:text=Actor%20Kangana%20Ranaut%20on%20Tuesday,amounts%20to%20insulting%20the%20constitution. [14] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/to-ban-is-just-wrong-anurag-kashyap-tweets-amid-controversy-around-the-kerala-story-4021904 Kanewiki01 ( talk) 09:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
article mentions quarter of hundred people joined isis from kerala. Here chief minister of kerala says 100 malayali has joined isis https://keralakaumudi.com/en/news/mobile/news.php?id=646343&u=100-malayalis-joined-isis-all-except-six-born-into-muslim-community-says-cm-vijayan-646343 Add this to introduction section 117.196.48.141 ( talk) 09:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
None of these figures validate the propaganda that girls are being lured into conversion and terrorist organizations.Iskandar323 ( talk) 10:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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This is not fictionalized movie there is testimonials in the end of the movie 223.233.77.243 ( talk) 20:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
External link to be added as Films set in Afghanistan as the plot does involve a scene set in Afghanistan. Please add this under "external links" on the bottom of the Wikipedia page. 120.150.118.212 ( talk) 11:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Recently, Supreme Court of India said to the director of the movie to put a disclaimer in the movie stating that 1. There is no authentic data to back up the suggestion that the figure of conversion is 32000 or any other figure; 2. The film represents a fictionalised version,". I think we should change the starting of the article from "The plot follows the story of a group of women from Kerala who are converted to Islam and join the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)" to "The plot follows a fictionalised version of the story of a group of women from Kerala who are converted to Islam and join the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)".
Here are the sources where Supreme court said this.
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The movie is real story based.
the kerala movie 117.228.62.133 ( talk) 09:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
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The Box Office collection mentioned in the source is 213.57 crores. THis however is changed to 266 cr on this page Wikiedit01995 talk 08:14, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
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Marketed as a true story, the film is premised on the Hindutva conspiracy theory of " love jihad", [1]
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Marketed as inspired by true story, the film is premised on the events of Islamic State recruitment in India [2]
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Any? TrangaBellam ( talk) 05:31, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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AndyTheGrump, you just reverted my edit with this. So, shall I replace "death threats" with "threatening messages"?- 1Firang ( talk) 16:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Marketed as a hindutva conspiracy is a false accusation. There are no such evident proof of the same. Instead it should be incorrect statistically. As there are proven cases by Kerala high court on the same but with a reduced number. 49.205.38.6 ( talk) 07:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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32,000 girls being trafficked from Kerala is obvious bunkum but is Shalini Unnikrishnan's ordeal based on any true story? TrangaBellam ( talk) 18:03, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
I was trying to bust ‘love jihad’ theory [..] I come from a Communist family and do not believe in ‘love jihad’, a concept which is even being propagated by the likes of UP chief minister Yogi Adityanath. And this is exactly what I wanted to show through my film [..] There is nothing like "love jihad" but the problem is forceful conversions
— Sudipto Sen, in April 2018, defending his documentary against JNU students who alleged his work to advocate for the existence of Love Jihad.
Sen said [that] he didn’t believe "love jihad" exists. However, the film’s official poster and ads described it as a film on "love jihad".
— Times of India, covering the JNU fracas in May 2018.
This political compulsion is such that a Union minister is compelled to tell Parliament: "No constitutional phrase like "love jihad" exists in Indian legal system or society." There is no doubt about the fact that India is a multicultural and diverse country. Inter-religion marriage exists traditionally in our society, from time immemorial. Love itself is religion in our faith and belief. But in these "love jihad" cases, conversion to Islam is the precondition of "love" -- and here lies the conspiracy.
— Sudipto Sen, in September 2021, reminiscing the context of the documentary.
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I want add this data in article AKASH TH15 ( talk) 16:27, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Opinions cannot be written as facts in Wikipedia's own voice, as per WP:VOICE.
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@ Tayi Arajakate Please cite the relevant text from those two articles you are using to show that the film was stated to have portrayed itself as a true story, and is stated to be a making a "false claim"? Captain Jack Sparrow ( talk) 06:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. Not only are you combining what was written in different parts of the source, you are combining the whole source to reach a conclusion not found anywhere in the source. That is WP:SYNTH. The reports say there is no supporting evidence for it. You say its a false claim. Reports say people applauded filmmakers on Twitter for portraying a true story. You claim filmmakers said the story was true. Both are different. Captain Jack Sparrow ( talk) 09:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Directed by Sudipto Sen and produced by Vipul Amrutlal Shah, ‘The Kerala Story’ claims to unearth the happenings behind 32,000 women who went missing in the state of Kerala. Sharing the teaser of the movie, Sen tweeted, “Shalini, Geetanjali, Nimah &Asifa marked my lifeline since last 5yrs. Choking me till I tell their stories. Soon u’ll get to see a film which u never imagined, in ur remotest imagination. Thank u Ambikaji, @YaduVJkrishnan, @sunshinepicture & Vipul A Shah from bottom of my heart.”
In a conversation with ANI published in ThePrint in March 2022, Sen further said, “As per a recent investigation, since 2009 – nearly 32,000 girls from Kerala and Mangalore from Hindu and Christian communities have been converted to Islam and most of them end up landing in Syria, Afghanistan, and other ISIS and Haqqani influential areas! Despite accepting these facts, the government is hardly contemplating any definitive action plan against such huge international conspiracies led by ISIS-influenced groups.” The character of Fatima, seen in the teaser, is played by actress Adah Sharma. She also shared the viral clip with the hashtag #TrueStory.
To sum it up, Alt News found that Sudipto Sen, the director of ‘The Kerala Story’, has repeatedly claimed that 32,000 women have joined ISIS either from India or just Kerala, and mentioned this in his film, without any evidence to back the claim.
The film has courted controversy for claiming that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS, without evidence to support this claimis much more accurate to the source than the current "summary". Captain Jack Sparrow ( talk) 10:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
"32,000 girls are recruited in ISIS in the past ten years" are taken from an unknown website which they can't find now.Also they changed this claim in there teaser from 32,000 to 3 girls. Looks like they have made film on data provided by some unreliable source which is not alive now. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 11:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Please add that Supreme Court quashed petitioner's request to stay the release of film and asked petitioner to go to High Court.
CJI quoted "No, we cannot entertain this. We are not seized of the case. The Central Board of Film Certification cleared it. The Kerala High Court refused to stay, and we declined yesterday. Now, after three steps, it is improper for us to hear this." "That bench has applied its mind. Think from the view of the film producer. How many challenges will he face? You must think of the actors and producers – they have all put in their labour. You must be very careful about seeking a stay on films"
Sudipto Sen in a television interview to Republic TV on 4th May said that Censor Board clear it after 2 months of scrutiny as they provided video evidence of every single interview to censor board. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyeX864McCg 118.189.49.2 ( talk) 07:11, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
The IMDb rating of the movie The Kerala Stories is 8.2. Times Now has rated it as 3.5. How do I add these facts in the reception section? here are supporting links
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt24268454/
https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/the-kerala-story-movie-review-the-kerala-story-imdb-rating-public-review-reaction-the-kerala-story-twitter-review-updates-article-100011217/amp
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I would say it could be argued that "it faces allegations of promoting the Sangh Parivar's agenda."
doesn't belong in the lead as it is a political allegation made by political parties. We should keep it limited to the opposition section as we have already stated in the lead that this movie portrays false claims. >>>
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"Political parties in Kerala have accused the filmmakers of promoting the conspiracy theory of Love Jihad.": How about that? Two non-sangh parties accusing something of sangh-like activities is not very explanatory to me. We should be a bit more specific. >>> Extorc. talk 10:03, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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In a few hours, I will restore the content as in this version but preserve the couple of lines about litigation. TrangaBellam ( talk) 09:22, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Sen, the director of the film, has made such claims for years; in 2018, he had directed a documentary on the involuntary mass-conversion of 33,000 Hindu and Christian girls to Islam as part of an "international conspiracy" to render Kerala an Islamic state.
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A sentence in the lead reads, "The plot follows the story of a group of women from Kerala who converted to Islam and joined the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)"; please change it to, "The plot follows the real life story of a group of women from Kerala who converted to Islam and joined the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)."- 1Firang ( talk) 17:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
The movie tells the "true stories of three young girls from different parts of Kerala," [3].- 1Firang ( talk) 11:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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I want to write the plot as I just watched the movie. Redskyredsun ( talk) 14:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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The 32000 missing girls from kerala is a wrong information and it will be 3 37.131.43.118 ( talk) 04:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
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The claim for love jihad being conspiracy theory of sangh pariwar is utter baseless propoganda by Congress , coz there are proofs that suggest targetted conversion of non muslim women takes place ! Even Kerala bishop has admitted this 103.151.234.245 ( talk) 10:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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"'32000 Kerala women in ISIS': Misquotes, flawed math, imaginary figures behind filmmaker's claim". Alt News. 8 November 2022."
has become invalidated as there is no claim in the entire film about 32000 women joining ISIS. The film only mentions about 32000 women missing from Kerala state but does not elaborate on reasons and does not specify that the missing women joined ISIS either. If after the fact when film has been released, a reference become an instance of misreporting, should its use be continued? ram das ᵐᵘˡʰⁱᵈ 00:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
This topic may be removed. The director has indeed made changes to the movie after this news was published. ram das ᵐᵘˡʰⁱᵈ 20:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
The budget of the film from the infobox is not visible. please inter the correct amount of it's making in the box. 139.5.240.129 ( talk) 16:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Change "The Kerala Story is a 2023 Indian Hindi-language film” to “The Kerala Story is a 2023 Hindutva Propaganda Indian Hindi-language film" 2405:201:C001:B8A1:A5CD:8737:B5A4:2AF5 ( talk) 11:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC) [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
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please add in the Cast
The film recently broke the record of the biggest opening week collection for a female centric film in India. It should be added in box office section since it was added in all previous record holders and all successful female lead films has such information about their opening day/weekend/week numbers among the female lead films. There are many sources available on internet, if you want i can provide as well. JabSaiyaan ( talk) 13:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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"The Kerala Story" is a powerful and thought-provoking film that sheds light on the critical issue of "love jihad" in India. Directed by Sudipto Sen and produced by Vipul Amrutlal Shah, this film features an all-star cast including Adah Sharma, Yogita Bihani, Sonia Balani, and Siddhi Idnani. The plot of the film revolves around the story of a group of women from Kerala who are allegedly converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS. This film has been endorsed by the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) as it highlights the truth about this sensitive issue.
Despite facing criticism from a few reviewers who have labeled it as propaganda, "The Kerala Story" has successfully connected with audiences across India. The BJP has used this film as a campaigning tool for the Karnataka assembly election and has rightfully claimed that it represents the ground reality. Despite facing push-back from certain groups and legal cases, this film has been a box office success, grossing over ₹81.36 crore (US$10 million) and becoming the fifth-highest-grossing Hindi film of 2023. "The Kerala Story" is a must-watch film that highlights the truth about "love jihad" and showcases the importance of national unity and security. 206.84.238.84 ( talk) 12:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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the material about kerla story movie is bious. Your article is fake.
Can there please be a separate page that talks only about the movie and not about Indian politics which is screwed up as it is? 123.201.245.113 ( talk) 00:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
"And falsely claims that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS" This is not false, there are alot of sources which talks about it please watch this video to learn in detail There is a YouTube channel named AKTK Which explains it And also included all the sources in the video To find the video please search on YouTube "AKTK Kerala story" and pm supported this movie, and other politicians too, I don't think that you are more important than them. 223.191.23.148 ( talk) 05:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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it is not a conspiracy theory cases has been registered in india aginst LOVE JIHAD please remove the word "falsely" as it nothing but truth 2405:201:6808:983E:91E0:FBDE:7763:3511 ( talk) 06:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Here's the version of the plot I submitted in an edit request:
In Afghanistan, Fathima Ba lives in a hideout with her husband Ishaq, a Mujahedeen fighter, and a baby son. Ishaq is shown to martial rape Fathima. Done with the abuse, Fathima volunteers to go to Syria, but defects to UN peacekeeping forces while crossing over Turkey. She recounts her story to the officials.
Fathima was born Shalini Unnikrishnan to a Brahmin family in Kerala's Thiruvananthapuram. She joins a nursing college in Kasargod, where her hostel roommates are Geethanjali, Nimah Matthews and Asfiya. Geethanjali is the daughter of an atheist Communist, while Nimah is Catholic and Asfiya is Muslim. They start spending time with Asfiya's cousins Ramiz and Khaliq. Over time, Asfiya introduces her friends to concepts of Jahannam and hijab. She encounters resistance only from Nimah, who is a devout Christian. Asfiya is shown to have nefarious intentions. She orchestrates an eve teasing attack on the three in a public place and, convincing Shalini and Geethanjali their dressing provoked it, makes them wear a headscarf.
Love blossoms between Shalini and Ramiz and Geethanjali and Khaliq, and the pairs have sex. Shalini gets pregnant and is convinced by Ramiz to convert to Islam and take on the name Fathima Ba. However, after conversion, she is informed that he died in a mission after volunteering as a Mujahedeen. A local cleric convinces Fathima that her family will not support her pregnancy before marriage and conversion, and that she should marry someone else. Fathima marries Ishaq, someone recommended by the cleric, unaware that he is wanted for several national security crimes.
Meanwhile, Geethanjali figures out that they are being manipulated and confronts Khaliq, but he blackmails her with her nudes. A distraught Geethanjali, faced with the choice to bear humiliation or marry him, dies by suicide. Ishaq and Fsthima travel to Colombo on pretext of a honeymoon, but in reality, are stopping over for their journey to Afghanistan. While in Colombo, Nimah contacts Fathima and tries to tell her to return, but she feels it is too late.
A pregnant Fathima, exposed to the atrocities happening in Afghanistan in the name of religion, regrets her decision. In the present day, she tells the officials that she defected on purpose and asks them to reunite her with her son. The officials tell her that there is no evidence for her story, and she remains in prison.
Ive tried to use neutral wording wherever possible. please see if it can be added to the articles/and address any concerns you mightve with POV here. The current plot is just two sentences and obviously not long term sustainable. 2001:8F8:172B:51C3:8C21:DDFF:3737:80AD ( talk) 09:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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seems to be prejudiced view with Political / Leftist intentions rather than unbiased Information ; need more neutral view with only objective information
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I want to add reliable information about missing girls directly from NCRB data to add values in reliability of trusted [1]wikipedia Gaurav Mahar Jai Bhim ( talk) 13:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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It should be noyed that none of the cast are from Kerala nor have lived in Kerala for any time. The lack of Kerala advisors or staff working on yhe movie contributes to critism that the story and settings are unauthentic. 172.58.111.64 ( talk) 15:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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A sentence reads, ' The film is premised on the conspiracy theory of "love jihad",[5] and erroneously claims that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS'; please change it to 'The film is based on the widely observed cases of "love jihad" in Kerela [1] ,[5] and proves that thousands of women from Kerala are being converted to Islam and recruited into ISIS Jatinbaranwal ( talk) 06:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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I saw the movie. Please now add this to the plot section:-
The movie begins with a display that it is based on true incidents and portrays how some female nursing students are brainwashed by one Asifa, some Muslim boys and Muslim priests into believing that Islam is superior to other religions - that
Kafirs (non-Muslims) burn in hell, that Jesus was unable to save himself from being tortured to death and hence cannot save others, that Krishna had so many girlfriends, that if one wants money, a Hindu has to pray to a particular God and if one wants power, that Hindu has to pray to another different God and so on but instead, if they pray to "Allah" who is the only God, He alone grants what is asked for. In a mall, these girls are molested but instead of helping them lodge a complaint, they are brain washed by Asifa to believe that if they wear a hijab, which will make them appear decent, these things will not happen and they comply. The Muslim boys are given money and told to do, "love jihad" and even get the girls pregnant if needed. Then one girl realises what is happening and goes back to her parents but unfortunately for her, her Muslim boyfriend who has her nude photos blackmails her to go with him to Syria to join the ISIS but when she refuses, he gets those nude photos uploaded from servers in Pakistan, Malaysia and so on and when that girl hears the news about it, she commits suicide. A Christian classmate of the female lead character is drugged and raped repeatedly but she realises that they are trying to send her to Syria and avoids it. The female lead character, Shalini Unnikrishnan who becomes Fatima Ba after conversion (later) gets pregnant and breaks the news to her boyfriend. Initially, he refuses to acknowledge that that is his child, then she is brainwashed to believe that if she converts to Islam and marries him, all will be fine but he supposedly flies off to the Maldives (but it is shown that he is hiding and watching Shalini and later even seduces another group of girls), so she is told by a Moulvi, that is, a Muslim priest, that she can convert to islam and marry another person called Ishaq. She is further brainwashed that it is a sin to get pregnant before marriage and over that she comes from a family of Kafirs and so, if she goes to Syria to serve the Caliph, Allah will forgive her sins. Ishaq then takes Shalini to Afghanistan and says that they will halt there temporarily in an ISIS hideout and then proceed to Syria. He then rapes her after saying that if a man wants to make love to his wife, the wife should oblige. Shalini then tries to escape but encounters horrible scenes of people being shot and then when she sees a woman's hand being chopped off and her husband undergoing "halaal (neck being cut a little and allowing the victim to bleed to death)", she faints. When she regains consciousness, the wife of the Commander who chopped the woman's hand off tells Shalini that it is futile trying to escape. When Shallini asks what the fault of the woman was due to which her hand was chopped off, she gets the response that she wore lipstick and her husband allowed it which is why they met that fate. Then Shalini is shown to get help from the wife of that Commander, a couple of times. On one occasion, Shalini is able to access a mobile - which is considered "haraam" and not to be used and hence kept away from her - at a neighbour's house and that neighbour's husband finds out about the mobile and shoots her dead. Then Shalini is given news that her husband was killed in a drone strike near Herat and so, she is taken to a camp where there are other women also and these women, including Shalini, are used as sex slaves and a lady complains about the same to the other women - Shalini is also parted from her infant. Then, Shalini and two other women escape but they are found and the two women are shot dead but Shalini escapes by jumping off a cliff and falls unconcious. Then, she is found by the United Nations peace keeping force and incarcerated as a Terrorist and told that the Indian Government considers her a dreaded terrorist, "Fatima Ba". Later it is shown that the boy who seduced Shalini is seducing another group of students with the help of his friends. Shalini's Christian friend goes to the Police to lodge a complaint about what happened but the Police refuse to take her complaint for lack of evidence. At the end, the real life interviews of the parents of the love jihad victims are shown in their mother tongue, Malayalam.
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1. in 3rd line of page which states "The film has courted controversy for falsely claiming that thousands .." remove this world falsely as it make statement quite bias and judgmental rather than being neutral. Singhal.iitr ( talk) 15:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
As per WP, a propaganda film "is made with the intent that the viewer will adopt the position promoted by the propagator and eventually take action towards making those ideas widely accepted."
This film fits this description very perfectly. The propagators has time and again said that the viewers must adopt the position promoted by the film makers and take action.
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Expand plot: In Afghanistan, Fathima Ba lives in a hideout with her husband Ishaq, a Mujahedeen fighter, and a baby son. Ishaq is shown to martial rape Fathima. Deciding to escape, Fathima volunteers to go to Syria, but is captured by UN peacekeeping forces while crossing over Turkey. She recounts her story to the officials.
Fathima was born Shalini Unnikrishnan to a Brahmin family in Kerala's Thiruvananthapuram. She joins a nursing college in Kasargod, where her hostel roommates are Geethanjali, Nimah Matthews and Asfiya. Geethanjali is the daughter of an atheist Communist, while Nimah is Catholic and Asfiya is Muslim. They start spending time with Asfiya's cousins Ramiz and Khaliq. Over time, Asfiya introduces her friends to concepts of Jahannam and hijab. Nimah, a devout Christian, expresses reservations about Asfiya’s preaching, while her friends are more accepting. With the help of her aides, Asfiya orchestrates an eve teasing attack on the three in a public place and, convincing Shalini and Geethanjali their dressing provoked it, introduce them to wearing a headscarf.
Love blossoms between Shalini and Ramiz and Geethanjali and Khaliq, and the pairs have sex. Shalini gets pregnant and is convinced by Ramiz to convert to Islam and take on the name Fathima Ba. After conversion, she is informed that he died in a mission after volunteering as a Mujahedeen. A local cleric convinces Fathima that her family will not support her pregnancy before marriage and conversion, and that she should marry someone else. Fathima marries Ishaq, someone recommended by the cleric, unaware that he is wanted for several national security crimes.
Meanwhile, Geethanjali starts to think they were manipulated and confronts Khaliq, but he blackmails her with explicit pictures into cooperating with him. Faced with the choice to bear humiliation or marry him, she dies by suicide. Ishaq and Fathima travel to Colombo on pretext of a honeymoon, but in reality, are stopping over for their journey to Afghanistan. While in Colombo, Nimah contacts Fathima and tries to tell her to return, but she refuses, feeling it is too late.
The pregnant Fathima finds Afghanistan to be different from what she was told, and begins to regret her decision. In the present day, she tells the officials that she had defected to the forces on purpose by making them awakes of her location, and asks them to reunite her with her son. The officials tell her that there is no evidence for her story, and she remains in prison. 2001:8F8:172B:51C3:8C21:DDFF:3737:80AD ( talk) 08:39, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
1. Kerela Catholic Bishops comes out in support of of The kerela story KCBC support 2.Prime Minister Narendra Modi, while addressing a rally in Karnataka's Ballari, also supported the film. “'The Kerala Story' film is based on a terror conspiracy. It shows the ugly truth of terrorism and exposes terrorists' design. Congress is opposing the film made on terrorism and standing with terror tendencies. Congress has shielded terrorism for the vote bank," he said. Prime minister of India supported the movie 3.Uttar Pradesh, Goa and Assam's chief ministers supported the movie by asserting that it is based on true events Chief ministers of UP, Assam and Goa supported the movie 4. Bollywood Comes In Support Of “The Kerala Story”, Questions The Ban. Bolywood celebrities such as Anupam kher, Kanagana Ranaut, Shabana Azmi supported it Bolywood supports the movie Shabana Azmi criticises people who call for ban for the kerela story
@ Tayi Arajakate:, did you intend to revert all these edits? If yes, any reason to preserve the "attempted to" wording and excluding the ban, which has been covered in international media, from the lead? TryKid dubious – discuss 08:26, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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In the Reception section, and Box Office subsection, the statement "The film performed well in most of India but performed poorly in the states of Kerala, Tamil Nadu and West Bengal", is misleading. The film was banned in West Bengal and exhibitors withdrew in Tamil Nadu due to pressure and threat. This is the reason why it didn't perform in these 2 states. The sentence gives the impression that it didn't perform under normal circumstances. [1] skmishra 08:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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Please change, ".....only to be abducted from her home and coerced by extremist groups. She was eventually manipulated into joining ISIS and ended up imprisoned in Afghanistan." to, ".....only to be brainwashed into converting to Islam and marrying a Muslim and travelling with him to the Caliphate of ISIS to live according to the sunnah which would help get forgiveness for her sins. She was eventually manipulated into joining the ISIS and ended up imprisoned in Afghanistan when trying to get to Syria via Afghanistan." [1] in the plot section.- 1Firang ( talk) 18:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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=Response== Kanewiki01 ( talk) 12:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Did some research and perhaps these are the women that the main character(s) are based off of. Not sure how to add it eloquently. https://www.opindia .com/2023/04/know-nimisha-alias-fathima-on-whom-the-lead-character-in-the-kerala-story-is-based/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/kerala-woman-spots-her-daughter-nimisha-among-is-cadres-who-surrendered-in-afghanistan/articleshow/72268992.cms NayruBlue ( talk) 16:08, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
On the Love jihad talk page, I have mentioned some cases (other cases are not) of Love jihad in Kerala here - I don't want to repeat those here. Please add them to this article also if you people deem it fit. I am new here and can't make 500 edits to become eligible to edit this article.- 1Firang ( talk) 10:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
External link to be added as Films set in Afghanistan as the plot does involve a scene set in Afghanistan Zoyenom ( talk) 15:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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false information about collection Moh sabik ( talk) 08:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
TrangaBellam ( talk) 14:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
We can start with UK [1] >>> Extorc. talk 08:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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1.'Their husbands ' should be changed to 'their respective husbands ' 2. Spelling of 'faired' should be corrected to 'fared' Gyaan Sharma ( talk) 19:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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Change "The Kerala Story is a 2023 Indian Hindi-language drama film directed by Sudipto Sen and produced by Vipul Amrutlal Shah" to "The Kerala Story movie is based on real incidents. 26 girls came in front of media to counter all the allegations, who were calling it a propaganda. Here is the press conference link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t99UZMzkGWU 24.239.134.31 ( talk) 07:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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You cannot have a one sided page with in accurate representations made for liberal agenda.
It has to be fairly represented from both side of the coin
Wiki cannot have a biased or polarised opinion
Freedom of speech should be respected 37.131.72.135 ( talk) 15:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Someone who watched this film can help us by sharing its plot here, please adhere to Neutral point of view. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 05:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Box office est. ₹260 crore (US$32 million) 169.148.30.143 ( talk) 11:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
theres a typo it says wildy inaccurate should be wildly* 72.205.168.63 ( talk) 19:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Kanewiki01 has now been blocked indefinitely. I think we can consider this attempt to argue against multiple Wikipedia policies closed. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 19:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC) |
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There are several evidence from NIA and 2009 high court judgements. Well, 26 real life witness are shown by the movie director and producer to prove it is a real story. The supreme court has ordered to put disclaimer that it is the fictionalized reperesentation of real life events. Justice Chandrachud also stated if you don't like it then don't watch it. I am giving reference to 26 victims that were taken to isis from kerela [1] https://www.news18.com/movies/the-kerala-story-team-introduces-26-real-victims-vipul-shah-says-people-tried-to-discredit-us-over-32000-7841089.html NDTV has also opined that love jihad is prevalent everywhere and not only in kerela, the earlier editor of ndtv criticised kerela story but now it is praised by ndtv NDTV says it's just not kerela story Wikipedia page mentions only criticism but not support towards the film. Ram gopal verma comes in support of the kerela story Shabana Azmi in support of The kerela story Kangana Ranaut supports The kerela story Anupam kher defends the kerela story Wikipedia page only shows the negative side and ignores the support by everyone, many actors and actresses have supported it. Supreme court also says the disclaimer should be that it is fictionalized version in movie of the events happened, it has not said that film is fiction. where is the evidence that is fiction? who said that? Only the leftist and some unreliable data which has nothing to do with real evidence. I hope my references will be added and the support for the movie will be shown on wiki page and also the change will be made that film represents fictionalized version of the events happened , it is not fiction, it has not authentic evidence to backup 32000 girls claim but can claim thousands. The supreme court judgement should be interpreted in the same manner as it said, and it doesn't say that is fiction. Kanewiki01 ( talk) 09:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
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Wikipedia page mentions only criticism and protest under the response heading but not support towards the film. So I'm listing some references below- Ram gopal verma comes in support of the kerela story Shabana Azmi in support of The kerela story Kangana Ranaut supports The kerela story Anupam kher defends the kerela story [12] https://www.cnbctv18.com/entertainment/work-of-art-kerala-catholic-bishops-council-comes-out-in-support-of-the-kerala-story-16618241.htm [13] https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/kangana-ranaut-calls-ban-on-the-kerala-story-unconstitutional-8625305/#:~:text=Actor%20Kangana%20Ranaut%20on%20Tuesday,amounts%20to%20insulting%20the%20constitution. [14] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/to-ban-is-just-wrong-anurag-kashyap-tweets-amid-controversy-around-the-kerala-story-4021904 Kanewiki01 ( talk) 09:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
article mentions quarter of hundred people joined isis from kerala. Here chief minister of kerala says 100 malayali has joined isis https://keralakaumudi.com/en/news/mobile/news.php?id=646343&u=100-malayalis-joined-isis-all-except-six-born-into-muslim-community-says-cm-vijayan-646343 Add this to introduction section 117.196.48.141 ( talk) 09:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
None of these figures validate the propaganda that girls are being lured into conversion and terrorist organizations.Iskandar323 ( talk) 10:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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This is not fictionalized movie there is testimonials in the end of the movie 223.233.77.243 ( talk) 20:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
External link to be added as Films set in Afghanistan as the plot does involve a scene set in Afghanistan. Please add this under "external links" on the bottom of the Wikipedia page. 120.150.118.212 ( talk) 11:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Recently, Supreme Court of India said to the director of the movie to put a disclaimer in the movie stating that 1. There is no authentic data to back up the suggestion that the figure of conversion is 32000 or any other figure; 2. The film represents a fictionalised version,". I think we should change the starting of the article from "The plot follows the story of a group of women from Kerala who are converted to Islam and join the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)" to "The plot follows a fictionalised version of the story of a group of women from Kerala who are converted to Islam and join the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)".
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The movie is real story based.
the kerala movie 117.228.62.133 ( talk) 09:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
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The Box Office collection mentioned in the source is 213.57 crores. THis however is changed to 266 cr on this page Wikiedit01995 talk 08:14, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
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Marketed as a true story, the film is premised on the Hindutva conspiracy theory of " love jihad", [1]
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Marketed as inspired by true story, the film is premised on the events of Islamic State recruitment in India [2]
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AndyTheGrump, you just reverted my edit with this. So, shall I replace "death threats" with "threatening messages"?- 1Firang ( talk) 16:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Marketed as a hindutva conspiracy is a false accusation. There are no such evident proof of the same. Instead it should be incorrect statistically. As there are proven cases by Kerala high court on the same but with a reduced number. 49.205.38.6 ( talk) 07:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)