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Shouldn't this article be less subjective? This is a dictionary afterall, not a blog.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.166.179 ( talk) 07:33, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
having read the novel i find that it is unfortunetly very much like propoganda. ARabs are presented as “lazy,cowardly,boastful,deceitful,backbiting,lustful,underdependable, murderers, thieves and rapists” —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.54.62.158 ( talk) 15:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me, having just read the novel, that the ARTICLE as it is as of Aug.24, 2011 is quite an objective & fairly detailed summary of the novel.The NOVEL itself may appear to some readers as rather pro Jewish/Isreal & very negative towards many aspects of Arab/Moslem culture. That is a charge that would have to be directed at Leon Uris, the novelist. We need to look at history, the other writings of Uris, and our individual experiences & values to reach a decision about the fairness & value of the novel's point of view. 124.6.181.81 ( talk) 03:31, 24 August 2011 (UTC) G.D. Aug. 24, 2011
I came to this article rather late, not having had any inclination until today to see what Wikipedia said about it. The plot summary Sfdan added in August 2006 is one of the best such summaries I've read in any Wikipedia pages about books or movies. I've read the book several times in the past 15 years or so, and Sfdan's summary is fair and accurate (I sent him a belated thanks). It does not disparage Arabs in the terms claimed above by other editors in May 2010 and December 2011. – Athaenara ✉ 03:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Whether one agrees, or not, with the position presented in this article is irrelevant to the fact that it is not an expository piece and should not appear in any kind of encyclopedic publication. The very fact that there is an opinion with which to agree or disagree renders the piece unqualified to be presented as factually based. It sets out from the beginning to state and support a position on subjective matter, that is, it is an opinion piece. It should be removed in its entirety. No piece beginning from an article that chooses and interprets its fact to support an opinion can be transformed into objective exposition. Smanion ( talk) 04:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
The claim that it is anti-Palestinian propaganda is irrelevant, since it is a novel. 2600:100F:B06D:CBE5:B4C7:C14:8362:4CC6 ( talk) 05:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 06:23, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
The Haj → The Haj (novel) – Commonname for this title is the topic Hajj, should be redirected there. The Haj may also refer to Al-Hajj (surah). Onceinawhile ( talk) 15:32, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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Shouldn't this article be less subjective? This is a dictionary afterall, not a blog.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.166.179 ( talk) 07:33, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
having read the novel i find that it is unfortunetly very much like propoganda. ARabs are presented as “lazy,cowardly,boastful,deceitful,backbiting,lustful,underdependable, murderers, thieves and rapists” —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.54.62.158 ( talk) 15:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me, having just read the novel, that the ARTICLE as it is as of Aug.24, 2011 is quite an objective & fairly detailed summary of the novel.The NOVEL itself may appear to some readers as rather pro Jewish/Isreal & very negative towards many aspects of Arab/Moslem culture. That is a charge that would have to be directed at Leon Uris, the novelist. We need to look at history, the other writings of Uris, and our individual experiences & values to reach a decision about the fairness & value of the novel's point of view. 124.6.181.81 ( talk) 03:31, 24 August 2011 (UTC) G.D. Aug. 24, 2011
I came to this article rather late, not having had any inclination until today to see what Wikipedia said about it. The plot summary Sfdan added in August 2006 is one of the best such summaries I've read in any Wikipedia pages about books or movies. I've read the book several times in the past 15 years or so, and Sfdan's summary is fair and accurate (I sent him a belated thanks). It does not disparage Arabs in the terms claimed above by other editors in May 2010 and December 2011. – Athaenara ✉ 03:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Whether one agrees, or not, with the position presented in this article is irrelevant to the fact that it is not an expository piece and should not appear in any kind of encyclopedic publication. The very fact that there is an opinion with which to agree or disagree renders the piece unqualified to be presented as factually based. It sets out from the beginning to state and support a position on subjective matter, that is, it is an opinion piece. It should be removed in its entirety. No piece beginning from an article that chooses and interprets its fact to support an opinion can be transformed into objective exposition. Smanion ( talk) 04:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
The claim that it is anti-Palestinian propaganda is irrelevant, since it is a novel. 2600:100F:B06D:CBE5:B4C7:C14:8362:4CC6 ( talk) 05:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 06:23, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
The Haj → The Haj (novel) – Commonname for this title is the topic Hajj, should be redirected there. The Haj may also refer to Al-Hajj (surah). Onceinawhile ( talk) 15:32, 14 June 2022 (UTC)