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Source of the Coppola comment is the Region 1 DVD audio commentary.
I get the feeling that this is an attempt to avoid giving spoilers, which is exactly what I came to this Wikipedia article for. If that's the case, I shouldn't have to argue that this is misguided. Anyways, I did find a spoiler. I would update the article myself, but I haven't seen the movie. 216.195.28.24 ( talk) 03:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
I am wondering if the plot description of the ending can really be taken as straightforwardly as it is described. My interpretation is that Harry has gone nuts, doesn't really have a bug in his apartment, and that there probably was not even a murder. I'm not saying that should be taken as canon either, but should it not even be raised as a possibility? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.75.93 ( talk) 12:19, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
While Gene Hackman's character Harry Caul is similar to his character Edward "Brill" Lyle in Enemy of the State, there has been no canonizing elements attributed by the producers of either film, despite some critics' comparison. Therefore, I would not use the title "Sequel" as it would confuse the reader. While there may be coincidental elements that may have been used, such as the identification badge Hackman's Caul wore being used as a legacy id badge used by Hackman's Lyle, there are too many elements that don't match up, including age, mental demenaor, medical condition (consumption of alcohol in Conversations by Caul contradicts Lyle's hypoglycemia), and career track. While it's not completely impossible that Hackman's two characters could be the same person, it is folly to call Enemy of the State a sequel to The Conversation.
Hey is it oke if I add some stuff regarding the films reception???? I don`t know how the whole English source citing works, in Dutch wiki we just have a source list, so if I make mistakes could you please help instead of undo my hard work that way wiki will never improve!!!!
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There's a possible error in the passage about the film's production. If Antonioni's movie Blowup was 1966, and if, according to the quotation, Coppola saw it only "a year or two before," then it can't be true that the screenplay was completed in the mid-60s. Flagging this, but don't have time to follow up just now. Thank you. Eroston ( talk) 18:15, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Careful listening to the phrase "He'd kill us if he got the chance" as spoken/played early in the film places virtually 'equal' emphasis on the key words "kill us", inferring (just) a possible threat to the speaker and his paramour. At the end of the film, when the phrase is heard, the word "us" clearly has heavier emphasis than the word "kill", inferring a different meaning, i.e., justification for the speaker to act first. Or, was this just Harry's perception of what was said? Tricky! Don't you just love what they do in movies? 66.81.105.227 ( talk) 04:23, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm new to editing Wikipedia, so please excuse me if I'm not approaching this properly, but I see a couple of brief edits that can be done to the box office section of this article. I think the edits show, rather than tell, and eliminate editorializing.
Could we rewrite to say the following:
Thoughts? Vivatheviva ( talk) 18:07, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Why is the alternative end not mentioned at all? Harry is arrested for the alleged murder of his girlfriend Amy and her alleged lover after their dead bodies where found in the hotel room, where the director was murdered. Any clue? VINCENZO1492 23:56, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
http://www.filmsite.org/conv.html Marcin862 ( talk) 20:17, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
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Source of the Coppola comment is the Region 1 DVD audio commentary.
I get the feeling that this is an attempt to avoid giving spoilers, which is exactly what I came to this Wikipedia article for. If that's the case, I shouldn't have to argue that this is misguided. Anyways, I did find a spoiler. I would update the article myself, but I haven't seen the movie. 216.195.28.24 ( talk) 03:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
I am wondering if the plot description of the ending can really be taken as straightforwardly as it is described. My interpretation is that Harry has gone nuts, doesn't really have a bug in his apartment, and that there probably was not even a murder. I'm not saying that should be taken as canon either, but should it not even be raised as a possibility? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.75.93 ( talk) 12:19, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
While Gene Hackman's character Harry Caul is similar to his character Edward "Brill" Lyle in Enemy of the State, there has been no canonizing elements attributed by the producers of either film, despite some critics' comparison. Therefore, I would not use the title "Sequel" as it would confuse the reader. While there may be coincidental elements that may have been used, such as the identification badge Hackman's Caul wore being used as a legacy id badge used by Hackman's Lyle, there are too many elements that don't match up, including age, mental demenaor, medical condition (consumption of alcohol in Conversations by Caul contradicts Lyle's hypoglycemia), and career track. While it's not completely impossible that Hackman's two characters could be the same person, it is folly to call Enemy of the State a sequel to The Conversation.
Hey is it oke if I add some stuff regarding the films reception???? I don`t know how the whole English source citing works, in Dutch wiki we just have a source list, so if I make mistakes could you please help instead of undo my hard work that way wiki will never improve!!!!
62.45.130.67 (
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05:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
There's a possible error in the passage about the film's production. If Antonioni's movie Blowup was 1966, and if, according to the quotation, Coppola saw it only "a year or two before," then it can't be true that the screenplay was completed in the mid-60s. Flagging this, but don't have time to follow up just now. Thank you. Eroston ( talk) 18:15, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Careful listening to the phrase "He'd kill us if he got the chance" as spoken/played early in the film places virtually 'equal' emphasis on the key words "kill us", inferring (just) a possible threat to the speaker and his paramour. At the end of the film, when the phrase is heard, the word "us" clearly has heavier emphasis than the word "kill", inferring a different meaning, i.e., justification for the speaker to act first. Or, was this just Harry's perception of what was said? Tricky! Don't you just love what they do in movies? 66.81.105.227 ( talk) 04:23, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm new to editing Wikipedia, so please excuse me if I'm not approaching this properly, but I see a couple of brief edits that can be done to the box office section of this article. I think the edits show, rather than tell, and eliminate editorializing.
Could we rewrite to say the following:
Thoughts? Vivatheviva ( talk) 18:07, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Why is the alternative end not mentioned at all? Harry is arrested for the alleged murder of his girlfriend Amy and her alleged lover after their dead bodies where found in the hotel room, where the director was murdered. Any clue? VINCENZO1492 23:56, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
http://www.filmsite.org/conv.html Marcin862 ( talk) 20:17, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is consensus against this proposal, and since this is being repeatedly proposed without success, I suggest there should be no further RMs on this in the near future, until and unless some significant new evidence (e.g. page views or usage in sources) showing that the primary topic may have changed. — Amakuru ( talk) 12:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
The Conversation → The Conversation (film) – This is a very generic title, and there are several articles of the same name and likely more to come. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 09:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
If only it were possible, would it not be fitting if (for once) this Talk Page could be renamed "The Conversation"? Or might the spooks at the NSA/CIA have something to say? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.182 ( talk) 09:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC)