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Along with videos that were released today on cbs.com previewing the Season 16 cast, links on cbs.com and a post from the official Amazing Race account on Facebook point to the casting application which has been updated for Season 17. Cheesehead Dave ( talk) 15:23, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I know they're racing now, and RFF is following, and I'm well aware of WP's spoiler policy. The problem is, RFF and similar forums are not reliable sources regardless of photographic evidence or the like. Unlike, for example, the foreign news report that we had last year for one the S.American legs, we can't just use what we're getting from forum boards. The only reliable source point is the boat club in Boston; everything else needs to be treated as speculation until CBS or another reliable source affirms it. -- MASEM ( t) 15:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I noticed this recently with people adding in unsourced information from realityfanforum, I can only assume because of the sites popularity random guests are viewing the forum and adding anything they think is relivant to the page, I don't think said people even view this area. It's probably best to remove unsourced information without a debate, and if they keep adding, warn them 82.15.9.249 ( talk) 19:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I haven't created an article for her yet (will tonight) but if we have a photo of one of the racers should this be included next to the table? Or is there another suitable place for it? Photo of Stephanie is here. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 04:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
While this is a relatively small point overall, the only reason that the watermelon clip is being mentioned is because of the attention it's gotten in the news. Yesterday it was more blog-level reporting but when you have MSNBC and the Daily Mail reporting it (with MSNBC even analyzing the severity of the possible injury), its definitely more than a curiousity. I know those sources don't exactly say "viral", but "The humorous video has gone around the internet like wildfire" from the Mail article means the same thing; I could also point to this [1] CBS article which does say "viral" but that's a bit of lack of independence in that part. -- MASEM ( t) 22:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Some people have said this was fake and it was actually a water ballon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.92.35 ( talk) 08:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Who posted the names of the team that will apparently be eliminated in tonight's (9/26/2010) episode? And where did this information come from? This information surely violates multiple WP policies, both those on (1) spoilers and (2) verifiable information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.189.55 ( talk) 14:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Naturally people are viewing realityfanforum and taking educated guesses as verified facts. It can't really be helped, the forum is popular so naturally you'l get those who think the placements stated are official.It seems like this person http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.125.193.30 was the one who added the fake info. He is also adding in unverified information into the upcoming legs area, have had to remove twice now. 82.15.11.231 ( talk) 02:20, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Why is the image of Roadblock, FF and speed bump changed? Wowovr2 ( talk) 12:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and incorporated the "Express Pass" as a footnote in the Results table ( [2]). My suggestion is that when Jill & Thomas actually use the Express Pass, we link to the same footnote and rewrite the sentence to read As a result of winning the first leg, Jill & Thomas received the "Express Pass", which allowed them to bypass any one task of their choosing before the end of Leg 8. They used it to bypass the [RB, Detour, Route Info] task on Leg [#]. If anyone has a better idea feel free to suggest it. — KuyaBriBri Talk 15:11, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
It hasn't actually been proven that Jill and Thomas use the Express Pass. If I remember right the Pass can be given to another team if they do so wish, it could be that Jill and Thomas are the next Nick and Starr or a simular in strength team and don't really need and offer to another team 82.15.11.231 ( talk) 20:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I think it comes down to personal opinion as to how best to represent it on the page, as we have barely any info besides the effect it has on the outcome of a leg. Speaking of which an unregistered changed the Express pass icon under the results table citing colorblind users wouldn't be able to view it. I wonder if we need to discuss on how best to represent the pass on the results table before people start editting in their own interpretations? 82.15.11.231 ( talk) 04:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I recommend, just to boost these articles, to use the recaps from ew.com (eg [3]) to source each leg. While a TV show that you normally don't need to source its summary, this will only help. -- MASEM ( t) 05:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Not really sure what to do in this regard. Basically it seems tvbythenumbers and tvaddict are giving 2 different ratings results. For example for episode 3 thetvaddict gives the show a 12.11 million result. tvbythenumbers 11.99 million. There's a huge difference here. I found this again with Episode 2 CBS gave a different number to what tvbythenumbers reported. Someone added in a link but because I couldnt verify(Region locked website) I stuck with what I originally entered. I ask because I formatted the other links when people added(Old ip). And thus far I'm unsure which website to believe because Wikipedia naturally wants accurate information, and in this case which website if any are reporting the true ratings for the show 02:23, 82.15.11.104 ( talk) 02:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The best source for ratings is the final report from CBS' press release every Tuesday which are final ratings and not fast nationals or overnight ratings. Weekly rankings for viewers are in the CBS press release while tvbythenumbers has the weekly rankings in the 18-49 demographic. So really, the ratings section should be edited on Tuesdays when the final ratings are released officially from CBS. Teamkapamilya ( talk) 05:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I think that pretty much decides it then. I personally will be using tvbythenumbers as a source as they're the most reliable source besides CBS. If and when CBS releases official ratings if someone wants to add in the final figures then I guess the articles ratings section can be improved. However with thetvaddicts 13 million figure for episode 5 they've lost all credibility as a source and I personally will remove any ratings sourced from there 82.15.11.104 ( talk) 12:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I hope someone with knowledge can look into this but I have read on a few sites that Nick & Vicki did not have to complete a speed bump in leg 7 because of a judging error in leg 6.
[4] States that:
Nick had posted on his personal Facebook page that in the Classical Music Detour in the previous leg, there'd been a judging error. Apparently they'd been giving a correct answer, but a judge had been telling them that they were wrong. Apparently because of the judging error, the producers ruled that rather than give the Speed-Bump penalty, Nick & Vicki would just be allowed to continue with the game as if nothing happened.
IMDB page: [5]
Also, Phil normally instructs a team at a non-elimination pit stop that they will need to perform a speed bump in the next leg. This was never told to Nick & Vicki at their check in.
Of course this was never explained to any of us but could have been very easily.
Tim 174.100.43.73 ( talk) 07:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
The following URL contains a statement provided by either CBS or World Race Productions to the administrator of a TAR forum site concerning the Speed Bump, and the problems with the piano detour task in leg 6. The poster is a host of a weekly interview show on that site, and therefore deals with CBS and WRP on a regular basis. http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23648.msg571540.html#msg571540 http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23648.msg571540.html#msg571540 Theschnauzers ( talk) 05:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)theschnauzers
The picture showing where the teams have been so far is correct when clicked on, but the thumbnail on the actual article shows an older version which showed all of the future legs' destinations. Can anyone help with this? S51438 ( talk) 21:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
For the past several weeks, the Express Pass symbol in the Results table has been an ≥. I recently changed it to ℮ because it is a stylized E much like the stylized F (ƒ) used for the Fast Forward tasks. It does not make sense to use one of these mathematical symbols which we use similar ones for the Yield and U-Turn symbols. Besides, considering the new U-Turn mechanic, it may be more useful to use that symbol for the second U-Turn (although I have put the subset and superset symbols there for now).— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 05:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
As it seems that some anons do not agree with my recent reformatting, let's discuss it here.
Earlier this week I reformatted the results tables of every single Amazing Race season (including Asia, Latin America, Brazil, Israel, and China) to put a space before the ƒ that signifies a Fast Forward leg or win. I have added this space to make the tables easier to read and it looks better to have a space before the ƒ, separating it from the number placement. I initially made this change because of the symbol I chose to replace the Express Pass symbol as described in the above thread (it looked like 5the, but now it looks like "5th ℮" with the space. I figured that doing this for the only other letter-like symbol these pages use would also help, but due to lack of communication with 97.102.105.41 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) and vehement opposition from 174.1.48.24 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS), I'm bringing it up for discussion. Seeing as this is the only highly edited page, it's better to discuss it here because as far as I'm aware there's no WikiProject for the race.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 22:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I found that when the f was connected to the 1st, it looked similar to a footnote, you know? It's like, you wouldn't write 1st * or 1st 1, you would write 1st* and 1st1. I understand why you changed it because of the e, but with that other one I tried out (ɛ I think...) it's no longer confusing. I dunno, the "e" might have good reason to be spaced, BUT since the Express Pass is always going to have a footnote attached, that just makes it longer and more cumbersome. My main point is that when the f was "attached" to the number, it looked like it belonged there. Remember that the Fast Forward used to be identified by a green color only, and the f was tacked on for accessibility purposes. If they're connected, then it looks like they belong together and helps people understand that the team used the Fast Forward to help them get to 1st (or 4th or 2nd or whatever) Shadow2 ( talk) 03:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and not to mention that the Yield, U-Turn and Intersection are directly connected to the numbers. (And PLEASE don't consider adding a space before all of those two. That would just be ridiculous) Shadow2 ( talk) 03:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I would just like to post my comment. As a regular editor of the Asia articles, I would like to voice my opinion on this. Putting a space before "f" for fast forward looks awkward, but it indeed makes the table clearer.
As for the express pass, I think it would be better to have a symbol (Like the one used before) instead of the letter e. This is just my opinion though, so you can choose not to listen to it.
Lastly, for the upcoming double u-turn. Speaking as a mathematician, it's awkward to see the subset sign used. It's a bit confusing on my part to see the reverse subset sign used to the one who chose to u-turn. It would be better to use the same symbol ">>" but with a different color. That way, we know that what has happened is a u-turn, just that it is a different pair of contestants who did it. I hope this helps in the discussion.
LordBelly06 (
talk) 12:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
It makes the table look less professional when this happens and it looks better published with all the columns equally distributed and no: 1st 2nd 3rd 1st f I personally feel this way, it looks more professional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.180.106.215 ( talk) 00:22, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Recently, I modified the section titles across the pages to refer to legs taking place in the United States and United Arab Emirates as "USA --> (Wherever)" and "UAE --> (Wherever)". I also made changes to when teams traveled to the People's Republic of China, and simply renamed these sections (and the links in the sections) to "China". In addition, when teams have traveled to Hong Kong, Macau, or other special/unique entities such as Guam, Zanzibar, Sicily, and Corsica, the section headers have been modified to these place names rather than the sovereign nations that control these territories (China, US, Tanzania, Italy, France), because they are unique enough from the rest of the nation that they have their own coverage in the show, anyway (e.g. "Welcome to Corsica", not "Welcome to France").
Thoughts.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 03:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
All of these subdivisions are special cases. If in the future they go to Greenland, are we going to refer to it as a part of the Kingdom of Denmark? Do we refer to Canada, Australia, and New Zealand as members of the Commonwealth? There are only a handful of special cases, most of which are the visits to Hong Kong, and in all of these cases, the places have separate autonomy from their parent nation (Corsica is a Territorial Collectivity; Sardinia and Sicily are autonomous regions; Hong Kong and Macau are Special Administrative Regions; England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are constituent states of the United Kingdom; Puerto Rico is a commonwealth and Guam is an unincorporated territory; Zanzibar is semi-autonomous). It does not hurt Wikipedia or the integrity of these articles to be more specific as to where they went, other than referring to visits to Hong Kong and Macau as just the PRC.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 05:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Let's put it this way. If it's got a special governmental set up that gives it a level of autonomy from the rest of the nation that it belongs to, it deserves a separate mention.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 05:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
So now that the issue of abbreviations is dealt with, shall we decide on whether or not my choice to feature the special regions of nations that have a level of autonomy from the sovereign nation in the section title is good? This would cover the Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macau in the People's Republic of China; the Territorial Collectivity of Corsica in France, as well as its other collectivities; the Autonomous Regions of Sardinia, Sicily, and perhaps others; the special status of Zanzibar in Tanzania; the unincorporated territories of Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, and American Samoa in the United States; the various British Overseas Territories; and the constituent nations of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Realm of New Zealand, the Kingdom of Denmark, and the Kingdom of the Netherlands.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 20:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
To be exact, this would cover the following political entities:
— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 21:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
You could add to your long list the Special Territories of Chile, those are the Easter Island and Juan Fernández Islands. Gonzalochileno ( talk) 02:10, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay. But the islands are still separate entities (geographically [except Friuli–Venezia Giulia]) from the rest of the nation, and the Race focuses entirely in that region (even with this season, when they were in Sweden they were greeted with a "Welcome to Lapland" thing). Why not provide slightly more information in the section headers, rather than reserving that information for the prose, and specify that they went to Corsica, rather than mainland France?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 09:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, my 2 cents: I don't think we will be able to come with a definition or set of criteria that will satisfactorily apply to all expected future cases. We'll just have to figure out what to do in each case as it happens, and it's probably going to end up being more of a "feel" about the particular location than any set of rules. I like the map example someone used above. Guam, for example--if I was asked to mark the United States on a map I would never include Guam. I suspect someone living in Guam would probably not include Guam (just my guess). I also suspect most would consider Corsica and Sicily to be "part of" France and Italy, not separate the way Greenland is seen as separate from Denmark. LarryJeff ( talk) 17:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay. I've undone my edits to include Corsica and Sicily in the section titles, as it is clear that the above don't quite fit in with entities such as Guam, Hong Kong, and Zanzibar. So I've crossed off a handful of political entities that do not have the right kind of self government as the others. Namely the Territorial Collectivity of Corsica, and the Autonomous Regions of Sicily, Sardinia, the Azores, and Madeira. I believe that the other political entities should have their own mention in section titles. These other merely specialized regions of sovereign nations, however, should get a flag icon and be bolded to signify that they are unique.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 10:19, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
On all race pages fast forwards are on the same line as when the clue is recieved. I propose changing this, giving the fast forward a seperate line, because the fast forward happens at a different location and that must be highlighted in the summary. A1125 ( talk) 06:17, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
It is a lot easier just to have no symbol, rather than making up a new Route Info symbol.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 10:27, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I think that we should universally change the U-Turn symbols from the »« pair to the ⊃⊂ pair. It does not particularly make sense to use the double angle quotation marks for something symbolizing a U-Turn. The subset and superset symbols, which visibly resemble the letter U are much more effective. For the case of this page (and any future Double U-Turns), I believe a separate symbol should be used other than the double angle quotation marks symbols. There are plenty of other mathematical operators which could symbolize this item.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 08:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Possible "Double U-Turn" symbols could be ∊ and ∋, ⊄ and ⊅, ⊆ and ⊇, ⊊ and ⊋, ☜ and ☞, ⤴ and ⤵, ↫ and ↬, ↺ and ↻, or ⋐ and ⋑. I will be looking for others.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 08:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Be aware - we have no idea if they got a clue or not that told them to go right to the pitstop from the end of the speed bump. Is it likely? Yes, but we didn't see it. (Why not have them go right after getting to the bridge or the base?) Maybe post-race interviewers will tell us. -- MASEM ( t) 05:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I dunno if anyone would care to take the trouble of inserting the timings of the Racers into this article, but if so, here's my data.
Note: the mandatory 12-hour pit stop of olden days is gone. The TAR staff now releases them when it's best. The World War I fighter plane reenactment proved this for me.
Timings from my notes this season: Leg 1 (9/26) (England) [I don't know if timings were provided in the next ep.] 1. Thomas & Jill (& won Express Pass) 2. Nat & Kat 3. Connor & Jonathan 4. Brook & Claire 5. Katie & Rachel 6. Gary & Mallory 7. Michael & Kevin 8. Chad & Stephenie 9. Andie & Jenna 10. Nick & Vicki 11. Ron & Tony
Leg 2 (10/3) (Ghana)[I don't know if timings were provided in the next ep.] 1. Brook & Claire! 2. Katie & Rachel 3. Michael & Kevin 4. Chad & Stephenie 5. Thomas & Jill 6. Connor & Jonathan 7. Nat & Kat 8. Nick & Vicki 9. Gary & Mallory 10. Andie & Jenna
Leg 3 (10/10) [But by now the next ep. provided departure timings] 1. Connor & Jonathan 10:15 2. Gary & Mallory 11:19 3. Chad & Stephenie 11:29 4. Katie & Rachel 12:12 5. Nick & Vicki 12:23 6. Brook & Claire 12:24 7. Thomas & Jill 12:29 8. Nat & Kat 1:12 9. Michael & Kevin (NEL) 1:26
Leg 4 (10/17) (Swedish Lapland) 1. Nat & Kat 6:00 2. Gary & Mallory 6:04 3. Brook & Claire 6:05 4. Michael & Kevin 6:30 5. Thomas & Jill (used Express Pass) 6:48 6. Nick & Vicki 7:11 7. Chad & Stephenie 8:12 8. Katie & Rachel 8:48 9. Connor & Jonathan
Leg 5 (10/24) (Norway) (no timings posted the next ep) 1. Nat & Kat (via FF) 2. Gary & Mallory 3. Thomas & Jill 4. Michael & Kevin 5. Brook & Claire 6. Nick & Vicki 7. Chad & Stephenie 8. Katie & Rachel
Leg 6 (10/31) (St. Petersburg) (no timings given – this leg had a mess of production errors) 1. Thomas & Jill 2. Brook & Claire 3. Michael & Kevin 4. Nat & Kat 5. Chad & Stephenie 6. Gary & Mallory 7. Nick & Vicki (NEL)
Leg 7 (11/7) (St. Petersburg again) 1. Nat & Kat 1:06am 2. Brook & Claire 1:28am 3. Nick & Vicki 1:29am 4. Gary & Mallory 1:46am 5. Thomas & Jill 1:53am 6. Chad & Stephenie 2:45am (but overslept and departed at 4:45am) 7. Michael & Kevin
Leg 8 (11/14) (Oman) 1. Chad & Stephenie 11:10am 2. Thomas & Jill 11:27am 3. Nick & Vicki 12:57pm 4. Brook & Claire 1:36pm 5. Nat & Kat 3:37pm 6. Gary & Mallory
Leg 9 (11/21) (Bangladesh) 1. Thomas & Jill 8:25am 2. Nick & Vicki 1:59pm 3. Nat & Kat 4:05pm 4. Brook & Claire (U-turn No. 1) 5:15pm 5. Chad & Stephenie (U-turn No. 2)
Leg 10 (11/28) (Hong Kong) 1. Nat & Kat 4:37pm 2. Thomas & Jill 4:47pm 3. Brook & Claire 5:26pm 4. Nick & Vicki (NEL + 6 hour penalty) (no timing: “last to depart”)
Leg 11 (12/5) (Seoul) (not known as of 12/11/10, the date of this post in Wiki, but all close) 1. Thomas & Jill 2. Brook & Claire 3. Nat & Kat 4. Nick & Vicki
Leg 12 (12/12) Finale ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IvyGold ( talk • contribs) 02:30, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
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I really hate to repeat myself, but... (copied from Talk:The Amazing Race 16, with one addition on the end)
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Along with videos that were released today on cbs.com previewing the Season 16 cast, links on cbs.com and a post from the official Amazing Race account on Facebook point to the casting application which has been updated for Season 17. Cheesehead Dave ( talk) 15:23, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I know they're racing now, and RFF is following, and I'm well aware of WP's spoiler policy. The problem is, RFF and similar forums are not reliable sources regardless of photographic evidence or the like. Unlike, for example, the foreign news report that we had last year for one the S.American legs, we can't just use what we're getting from forum boards. The only reliable source point is the boat club in Boston; everything else needs to be treated as speculation until CBS or another reliable source affirms it. -- MASEM ( t) 15:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I noticed this recently with people adding in unsourced information from realityfanforum, I can only assume because of the sites popularity random guests are viewing the forum and adding anything they think is relivant to the page, I don't think said people even view this area. It's probably best to remove unsourced information without a debate, and if they keep adding, warn them 82.15.9.249 ( talk) 19:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I haven't created an article for her yet (will tonight) but if we have a photo of one of the racers should this be included next to the table? Or is there another suitable place for it? Photo of Stephanie is here. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 04:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
While this is a relatively small point overall, the only reason that the watermelon clip is being mentioned is because of the attention it's gotten in the news. Yesterday it was more blog-level reporting but when you have MSNBC and the Daily Mail reporting it (with MSNBC even analyzing the severity of the possible injury), its definitely more than a curiousity. I know those sources don't exactly say "viral", but "The humorous video has gone around the internet like wildfire" from the Mail article means the same thing; I could also point to this [1] CBS article which does say "viral" but that's a bit of lack of independence in that part. -- MASEM ( t) 22:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Some people have said this was fake and it was actually a water ballon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.92.35 ( talk) 08:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Who posted the names of the team that will apparently be eliminated in tonight's (9/26/2010) episode? And where did this information come from? This information surely violates multiple WP policies, both those on (1) spoilers and (2) verifiable information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.189.55 ( talk) 14:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Naturally people are viewing realityfanforum and taking educated guesses as verified facts. It can't really be helped, the forum is popular so naturally you'l get those who think the placements stated are official.It seems like this person http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.125.193.30 was the one who added the fake info. He is also adding in unverified information into the upcoming legs area, have had to remove twice now. 82.15.11.231 ( talk) 02:20, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Why is the image of Roadblock, FF and speed bump changed? Wowovr2 ( talk) 12:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and incorporated the "Express Pass" as a footnote in the Results table ( [2]). My suggestion is that when Jill & Thomas actually use the Express Pass, we link to the same footnote and rewrite the sentence to read As a result of winning the first leg, Jill & Thomas received the "Express Pass", which allowed them to bypass any one task of their choosing before the end of Leg 8. They used it to bypass the [RB, Detour, Route Info] task on Leg [#]. If anyone has a better idea feel free to suggest it. — KuyaBriBri Talk 15:11, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
It hasn't actually been proven that Jill and Thomas use the Express Pass. If I remember right the Pass can be given to another team if they do so wish, it could be that Jill and Thomas are the next Nick and Starr or a simular in strength team and don't really need and offer to another team 82.15.11.231 ( talk) 20:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I think it comes down to personal opinion as to how best to represent it on the page, as we have barely any info besides the effect it has on the outcome of a leg. Speaking of which an unregistered changed the Express pass icon under the results table citing colorblind users wouldn't be able to view it. I wonder if we need to discuss on how best to represent the pass on the results table before people start editting in their own interpretations? 82.15.11.231 ( talk) 04:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I recommend, just to boost these articles, to use the recaps from ew.com (eg [3]) to source each leg. While a TV show that you normally don't need to source its summary, this will only help. -- MASEM ( t) 05:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Not really sure what to do in this regard. Basically it seems tvbythenumbers and tvaddict are giving 2 different ratings results. For example for episode 3 thetvaddict gives the show a 12.11 million result. tvbythenumbers 11.99 million. There's a huge difference here. I found this again with Episode 2 CBS gave a different number to what tvbythenumbers reported. Someone added in a link but because I couldnt verify(Region locked website) I stuck with what I originally entered. I ask because I formatted the other links when people added(Old ip). And thus far I'm unsure which website to believe because Wikipedia naturally wants accurate information, and in this case which website if any are reporting the true ratings for the show 02:23, 82.15.11.104 ( talk) 02:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The best source for ratings is the final report from CBS' press release every Tuesday which are final ratings and not fast nationals or overnight ratings. Weekly rankings for viewers are in the CBS press release while tvbythenumbers has the weekly rankings in the 18-49 demographic. So really, the ratings section should be edited on Tuesdays when the final ratings are released officially from CBS. Teamkapamilya ( talk) 05:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I think that pretty much decides it then. I personally will be using tvbythenumbers as a source as they're the most reliable source besides CBS. If and when CBS releases official ratings if someone wants to add in the final figures then I guess the articles ratings section can be improved. However with thetvaddicts 13 million figure for episode 5 they've lost all credibility as a source and I personally will remove any ratings sourced from there 82.15.11.104 ( talk) 12:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I hope someone with knowledge can look into this but I have read on a few sites that Nick & Vicki did not have to complete a speed bump in leg 7 because of a judging error in leg 6.
[4] States that:
Nick had posted on his personal Facebook page that in the Classical Music Detour in the previous leg, there'd been a judging error. Apparently they'd been giving a correct answer, but a judge had been telling them that they were wrong. Apparently because of the judging error, the producers ruled that rather than give the Speed-Bump penalty, Nick & Vicki would just be allowed to continue with the game as if nothing happened.
IMDB page: [5]
Also, Phil normally instructs a team at a non-elimination pit stop that they will need to perform a speed bump in the next leg. This was never told to Nick & Vicki at their check in.
Of course this was never explained to any of us but could have been very easily.
Tim 174.100.43.73 ( talk) 07:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
The following URL contains a statement provided by either CBS or World Race Productions to the administrator of a TAR forum site concerning the Speed Bump, and the problems with the piano detour task in leg 6. The poster is a host of a weekly interview show on that site, and therefore deals with CBS and WRP on a regular basis. http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23648.msg571540.html#msg571540 http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23648.msg571540.html#msg571540 Theschnauzers ( talk) 05:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)theschnauzers
The picture showing where the teams have been so far is correct when clicked on, but the thumbnail on the actual article shows an older version which showed all of the future legs' destinations. Can anyone help with this? S51438 ( talk) 21:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
For the past several weeks, the Express Pass symbol in the Results table has been an ≥. I recently changed it to ℮ because it is a stylized E much like the stylized F (ƒ) used for the Fast Forward tasks. It does not make sense to use one of these mathematical symbols which we use similar ones for the Yield and U-Turn symbols. Besides, considering the new U-Turn mechanic, it may be more useful to use that symbol for the second U-Turn (although I have put the subset and superset symbols there for now).— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 05:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
As it seems that some anons do not agree with my recent reformatting, let's discuss it here.
Earlier this week I reformatted the results tables of every single Amazing Race season (including Asia, Latin America, Brazil, Israel, and China) to put a space before the ƒ that signifies a Fast Forward leg or win. I have added this space to make the tables easier to read and it looks better to have a space before the ƒ, separating it from the number placement. I initially made this change because of the symbol I chose to replace the Express Pass symbol as described in the above thread (it looked like 5the, but now it looks like "5th ℮" with the space. I figured that doing this for the only other letter-like symbol these pages use would also help, but due to lack of communication with 97.102.105.41 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) and vehement opposition from 174.1.48.24 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS), I'm bringing it up for discussion. Seeing as this is the only highly edited page, it's better to discuss it here because as far as I'm aware there's no WikiProject for the race.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 22:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I found that when the f was connected to the 1st, it looked similar to a footnote, you know? It's like, you wouldn't write 1st * or 1st 1, you would write 1st* and 1st1. I understand why you changed it because of the e, but with that other one I tried out (ɛ I think...) it's no longer confusing. I dunno, the "e" might have good reason to be spaced, BUT since the Express Pass is always going to have a footnote attached, that just makes it longer and more cumbersome. My main point is that when the f was "attached" to the number, it looked like it belonged there. Remember that the Fast Forward used to be identified by a green color only, and the f was tacked on for accessibility purposes. If they're connected, then it looks like they belong together and helps people understand that the team used the Fast Forward to help them get to 1st (or 4th or 2nd or whatever) Shadow2 ( talk) 03:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and not to mention that the Yield, U-Turn and Intersection are directly connected to the numbers. (And PLEASE don't consider adding a space before all of those two. That would just be ridiculous) Shadow2 ( talk) 03:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
I would just like to post my comment. As a regular editor of the Asia articles, I would like to voice my opinion on this. Putting a space before "f" for fast forward looks awkward, but it indeed makes the table clearer.
As for the express pass, I think it would be better to have a symbol (Like the one used before) instead of the letter e. This is just my opinion though, so you can choose not to listen to it.
Lastly, for the upcoming double u-turn. Speaking as a mathematician, it's awkward to see the subset sign used. It's a bit confusing on my part to see the reverse subset sign used to the one who chose to u-turn. It would be better to use the same symbol ">>" but with a different color. That way, we know that what has happened is a u-turn, just that it is a different pair of contestants who did it. I hope this helps in the discussion.
LordBelly06 (
talk) 12:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
It makes the table look less professional when this happens and it looks better published with all the columns equally distributed and no: 1st 2nd 3rd 1st f I personally feel this way, it looks more professional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.180.106.215 ( talk) 00:22, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Recently, I modified the section titles across the pages to refer to legs taking place in the United States and United Arab Emirates as "USA --> (Wherever)" and "UAE --> (Wherever)". I also made changes to when teams traveled to the People's Republic of China, and simply renamed these sections (and the links in the sections) to "China". In addition, when teams have traveled to Hong Kong, Macau, or other special/unique entities such as Guam, Zanzibar, Sicily, and Corsica, the section headers have been modified to these place names rather than the sovereign nations that control these territories (China, US, Tanzania, Italy, France), because they are unique enough from the rest of the nation that they have their own coverage in the show, anyway (e.g. "Welcome to Corsica", not "Welcome to France").
Thoughts.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 03:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
All of these subdivisions are special cases. If in the future they go to Greenland, are we going to refer to it as a part of the Kingdom of Denmark? Do we refer to Canada, Australia, and New Zealand as members of the Commonwealth? There are only a handful of special cases, most of which are the visits to Hong Kong, and in all of these cases, the places have separate autonomy from their parent nation (Corsica is a Territorial Collectivity; Sardinia and Sicily are autonomous regions; Hong Kong and Macau are Special Administrative Regions; England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are constituent states of the United Kingdom; Puerto Rico is a commonwealth and Guam is an unincorporated territory; Zanzibar is semi-autonomous). It does not hurt Wikipedia or the integrity of these articles to be more specific as to where they went, other than referring to visits to Hong Kong and Macau as just the PRC.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 05:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Let's put it this way. If it's got a special governmental set up that gives it a level of autonomy from the rest of the nation that it belongs to, it deserves a separate mention.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 05:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
So now that the issue of abbreviations is dealt with, shall we decide on whether or not my choice to feature the special regions of nations that have a level of autonomy from the sovereign nation in the section title is good? This would cover the Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macau in the People's Republic of China; the Territorial Collectivity of Corsica in France, as well as its other collectivities; the Autonomous Regions of Sardinia, Sicily, and perhaps others; the special status of Zanzibar in Tanzania; the unincorporated territories of Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, and American Samoa in the United States; the various British Overseas Territories; and the constituent nations of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Realm of New Zealand, the Kingdom of Denmark, and the Kingdom of the Netherlands.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 20:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
To be exact, this would cover the following political entities:
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You could add to your long list the Special Territories of Chile, those are the Easter Island and Juan Fernández Islands. Gonzalochileno ( talk) 02:10, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay. But the islands are still separate entities (geographically [except Friuli–Venezia Giulia]) from the rest of the nation, and the Race focuses entirely in that region (even with this season, when they were in Sweden they were greeted with a "Welcome to Lapland" thing). Why not provide slightly more information in the section headers, rather than reserving that information for the prose, and specify that they went to Corsica, rather than mainland France?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 09:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, my 2 cents: I don't think we will be able to come with a definition or set of criteria that will satisfactorily apply to all expected future cases. We'll just have to figure out what to do in each case as it happens, and it's probably going to end up being more of a "feel" about the particular location than any set of rules. I like the map example someone used above. Guam, for example--if I was asked to mark the United States on a map I would never include Guam. I suspect someone living in Guam would probably not include Guam (just my guess). I also suspect most would consider Corsica and Sicily to be "part of" France and Italy, not separate the way Greenland is seen as separate from Denmark. LarryJeff ( talk) 17:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay. I've undone my edits to include Corsica and Sicily in the section titles, as it is clear that the above don't quite fit in with entities such as Guam, Hong Kong, and Zanzibar. So I've crossed off a handful of political entities that do not have the right kind of self government as the others. Namely the Territorial Collectivity of Corsica, and the Autonomous Regions of Sicily, Sardinia, the Azores, and Madeira. I believe that the other political entities should have their own mention in section titles. These other merely specialized regions of sovereign nations, however, should get a flag icon and be bolded to signify that they are unique.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 10:19, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
On all race pages fast forwards are on the same line as when the clue is recieved. I propose changing this, giving the fast forward a seperate line, because the fast forward happens at a different location and that must be highlighted in the summary. A1125 ( talk) 06:17, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
It is a lot easier just to have no symbol, rather than making up a new Route Info symbol.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 10:27, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I think that we should universally change the U-Turn symbols from the »« pair to the ⊃⊂ pair. It does not particularly make sense to use the double angle quotation marks for something symbolizing a U-Turn. The subset and superset symbols, which visibly resemble the letter U are much more effective. For the case of this page (and any future Double U-Turns), I believe a separate symbol should be used other than the double angle quotation marks symbols. There are plenty of other mathematical operators which could symbolize this item.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 08:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Possible "Double U-Turn" symbols could be ∊ and ∋, ⊄ and ⊅, ⊆ and ⊇, ⊊ and ⊋, ☜ and ☞, ⤴ and ⤵, ↫ and ↬, ↺ and ↻, or ⋐ and ⋑. I will be looking for others.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 08:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Be aware - we have no idea if they got a clue or not that told them to go right to the pitstop from the end of the speed bump. Is it likely? Yes, but we didn't see it. (Why not have them go right after getting to the bridge or the base?) Maybe post-race interviewers will tell us. -- MASEM ( t) 05:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I dunno if anyone would care to take the trouble of inserting the timings of the Racers into this article, but if so, here's my data.
Note: the mandatory 12-hour pit stop of olden days is gone. The TAR staff now releases them when it's best. The World War I fighter plane reenactment proved this for me.
Timings from my notes this season: Leg 1 (9/26) (England) [I don't know if timings were provided in the next ep.] 1. Thomas & Jill (& won Express Pass) 2. Nat & Kat 3. Connor & Jonathan 4. Brook & Claire 5. Katie & Rachel 6. Gary & Mallory 7. Michael & Kevin 8. Chad & Stephenie 9. Andie & Jenna 10. Nick & Vicki 11. Ron & Tony
Leg 2 (10/3) (Ghana)[I don't know if timings were provided in the next ep.] 1. Brook & Claire! 2. Katie & Rachel 3. Michael & Kevin 4. Chad & Stephenie 5. Thomas & Jill 6. Connor & Jonathan 7. Nat & Kat 8. Nick & Vicki 9. Gary & Mallory 10. Andie & Jenna
Leg 3 (10/10) [But by now the next ep. provided departure timings] 1. Connor & Jonathan 10:15 2. Gary & Mallory 11:19 3. Chad & Stephenie 11:29 4. Katie & Rachel 12:12 5. Nick & Vicki 12:23 6. Brook & Claire 12:24 7. Thomas & Jill 12:29 8. Nat & Kat 1:12 9. Michael & Kevin (NEL) 1:26
Leg 4 (10/17) (Swedish Lapland) 1. Nat & Kat 6:00 2. Gary & Mallory 6:04 3. Brook & Claire 6:05 4. Michael & Kevin 6:30 5. Thomas & Jill (used Express Pass) 6:48 6. Nick & Vicki 7:11 7. Chad & Stephenie 8:12 8. Katie & Rachel 8:48 9. Connor & Jonathan
Leg 5 (10/24) (Norway) (no timings posted the next ep) 1. Nat & Kat (via FF) 2. Gary & Mallory 3. Thomas & Jill 4. Michael & Kevin 5. Brook & Claire 6. Nick & Vicki 7. Chad & Stephenie 8. Katie & Rachel
Leg 6 (10/31) (St. Petersburg) (no timings given – this leg had a mess of production errors) 1. Thomas & Jill 2. Brook & Claire 3. Michael & Kevin 4. Nat & Kat 5. Chad & Stephenie 6. Gary & Mallory 7. Nick & Vicki (NEL)
Leg 7 (11/7) (St. Petersburg again) 1. Nat & Kat 1:06am 2. Brook & Claire 1:28am 3. Nick & Vicki 1:29am 4. Gary & Mallory 1:46am 5. Thomas & Jill 1:53am 6. Chad & Stephenie 2:45am (but overslept and departed at 4:45am) 7. Michael & Kevin
Leg 8 (11/14) (Oman) 1. Chad & Stephenie 11:10am 2. Thomas & Jill 11:27am 3. Nick & Vicki 12:57pm 4. Brook & Claire 1:36pm 5. Nat & Kat 3:37pm 6. Gary & Mallory
Leg 9 (11/21) (Bangladesh) 1. Thomas & Jill 8:25am 2. Nick & Vicki 1:59pm 3. Nat & Kat 4:05pm 4. Brook & Claire (U-turn No. 1) 5:15pm 5. Chad & Stephenie (U-turn No. 2)
Leg 10 (11/28) (Hong Kong) 1. Nat & Kat 4:37pm 2. Thomas & Jill 4:47pm 3. Brook & Claire 5:26pm 4. Nick & Vicki (NEL + 6 hour penalty) (no timing: “last to depart”)
Leg 11 (12/5) (Seoul) (not known as of 12/11/10, the date of this post in Wiki, but all close) 1. Thomas & Jill 2. Brook & Claire 3. Nat & Kat 4. Nick & Vicki
Leg 12 (12/12) Finale ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IvyGold ( talk • contribs) 02:30, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
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