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I noted some people try to change the estimate of the Talysh numbers. The fact is that the statistics of the republic of Azarbaijan is not reliable and until correct numbers are given, one can not be sure about the number of Talysh speakers. If someone wants to provide such a government statistic, it must be mentioned that the estimate is biased. -- Ali doostzadeh 22:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The district of Lerik includes the town of Lerik and 159 villages, with a total population of 63,300. Of these population centers, 145 are 99% Talysh, ethnically and linguistically. ....The residents of all three villages are Sunni Muslims. Mosques have been built in each of the villages and these are supported locally.
The site of UNPO.org , in which the Talysh nationalisats are reprseneted writes:" Culture and religion The Talysh are Shi’a Muslims, are well educated and have their own language. ....Statistics: Population: 800.000 Language: Talysh Religion: Shi’a Muslim".
As you see only in the mountaineous district of Lerik (other districts are not mountaineous), three villages are Sunni. The overwhelming majority of talysh are therefore Shiites.-- Babakexorramdin ( talk) 10:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Since the disagreement is between Shia and Sunni, how about listing their religion as Islam, and have a footnote specifying that sources disagree as to the specific makeup of Shia vs. Sunni. JeremyMcCracken ( talk) ( contribs) 13:32, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I have protected article for a week so to help you find a consensus rather than edit war. Please drop me a note if you want me to unprotect it early Alex Bakharev ( talk) 09:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
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Number of Talysh people living in Azerbaijan has been overestimated and misled by someone who have nationalistic attitude. The Wikipedian, called --HistoryofIran, revert this numbers when I adjust it with reliable and true sources. It is violation of Wikipedia policy of Reliable sources ( /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources). "Disabled" Sources which shows the number of Talysh people living in Azerbaijan are these: - https://www.osce.org/documents/ob/2006/08/23087_en.pdf Page is not found - https://web.archive.org/web/20071220145641/http://www.azstat.org/statinfo/demoqraphic/en/007.shtml You cannot find latest(2009) numbers. Latest numbers of the web-site belongs to 1999. It also shows the number of Talysh people as 76.8 thousand. This source is violation of Wikipedia source policy too ( /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Age_matters) - https://web.archive.org/web/20150923211119/http://www.cria-online.org/5_4.html The number of Talysh people is shown in this source as 76.000. However, There has also been mentioned the number of talysh as unproved claims (800.000) of nationalists and unproved armenian scholars. You can write about this on "Demographics" section before overestimating numbers on main section. - https://books.google.az/books?id=NwvoM-ZFoAgC&pg=PA676&dq=%22their+shi%27a+muslim+religion%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZqS0VIz4FeTjsASr3oCAAQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22their%20shi'a%20muslim%20religion%22&f=true Again, According to the source, Government estimation shows almost 2% of population which is almost 180.000
Across Azerbaijan Republic, latest counting had been held in 2009. So, The number of Talysh people living in Azerbaijan is 112.000, According to governmental overall counting and some other reliable sources: - https://minorityrights.org/minorities/talysh - http://www.azerb.com/az-talysh.html?i=1 - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323642917_Ethnic_minority_policy_of_the_republic_of_Azerbaijan_and_their_right_to_get_education_in_mother_languages
or 200.000-300.000 was said by https://minorityrights.org/minorities/talysh as an estimated number
SafaviNihad ( talk) 19:06, 21 September 2019 (UTC)NihadSafavi
Only official resources of countries can be sources. The official census of the Azerbaijan republic is 112.000 people. Please remove unofficial theories Leamsezadah ( talk) 21:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
the only language of tolishing people is tolish not anything else they don't use Persian or any other language Soheilgilan ( talk) 17:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
What have well-known researchers come to this conclusion?
There are many different answers to this question in the scientific literature. Russian researchers V.S. Legkobitov (1806-1860) considered the Talysh to be a part of the Persians.
The language spoken by the Cadusii is not clear, it is not correct to call them Iranian. If there is a source that he speaks in Iranian language, please share with me.
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HistoryofIran, could you please explain why you restored the quote from Victor Schnirelmann? This author may be a reliable source on ancient history, but he has very little knowledge on modern history of Azerbaijan. He claims that there was Talysh Mugan republic in 1919 that was defeated by Ottoman troops. This is absolutely wrong. There was no Talysh Mugan republic in 1919, there was Mughan Soviet Republic, which was Russian bolshevik creation, supported mostly by local Russian population, and all of its leaders were ethnic Russians. For example, its political leader was David Chirkin, and military leader was Timofey Ulyantsev-Otradnev, both ethnic Russians. There is a very well researched book on the history of this entity, in Russian: [6] Also, Russian wikipedia has well written articles about Mughan Soviet Republic [7] and struggle for power in Mughan region at that time: [8] Hopefully someone will translate those articles for English Wikipedia, they use a wide variety of sources. In addition, Ottoman troops were not present in Azerbaijan in 1919, because they had to withdraw from the region in accordance with Armistice of Mudros in November 1918. Therefore, the claims in this quote are inaccurate. Grand master 09:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Looks like Location section incorrectly filled with information related to the Demographics. I propose to merge information from location to Demographics. Any objection? -- Abrvagl ( talk) 19:10, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
HistoryofIran, can you please explain how demographics of Lezgins is related to the article about Talysh people? In the edit which I did, I kept the information related to the Talysh people stated by the Cornell, and removed part about Lezgins, which I find unrelated to the article. Thanks.-- Abrvagl ( talk) 19:22, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
A template should be opened and information should be given about the history of the Talysh people, albeit briefly.
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I noted some people try to change the estimate of the Talysh numbers. The fact is that the statistics of the republic of Azarbaijan is not reliable and until correct numbers are given, one can not be sure about the number of Talysh speakers. If someone wants to provide such a government statistic, it must be mentioned that the estimate is biased. -- Ali doostzadeh 22:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The district of Lerik includes the town of Lerik and 159 villages, with a total population of 63,300. Of these population centers, 145 are 99% Talysh, ethnically and linguistically. ....The residents of all three villages are Sunni Muslims. Mosques have been built in each of the villages and these are supported locally.
The site of UNPO.org , in which the Talysh nationalisats are reprseneted writes:" Culture and religion The Talysh are Shi’a Muslims, are well educated and have their own language. ....Statistics: Population: 800.000 Language: Talysh Religion: Shi’a Muslim".
As you see only in the mountaineous district of Lerik (other districts are not mountaineous), three villages are Sunni. The overwhelming majority of talysh are therefore Shiites.-- Babakexorramdin ( talk) 10:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Since the disagreement is between Shia and Sunni, how about listing their religion as Islam, and have a footnote specifying that sources disagree as to the specific makeup of Shia vs. Sunni. JeremyMcCracken ( talk) ( contribs) 13:32, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I have protected article for a week so to help you find a consensus rather than edit war. Please drop me a note if you want me to unprotect it early Alex Bakharev ( talk) 09:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
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Number of Talysh people living in Azerbaijan has been overestimated and misled by someone who have nationalistic attitude. The Wikipedian, called --HistoryofIran, revert this numbers when I adjust it with reliable and true sources. It is violation of Wikipedia policy of Reliable sources ( /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources). "Disabled" Sources which shows the number of Talysh people living in Azerbaijan are these: - https://www.osce.org/documents/ob/2006/08/23087_en.pdf Page is not found - https://web.archive.org/web/20071220145641/http://www.azstat.org/statinfo/demoqraphic/en/007.shtml You cannot find latest(2009) numbers. Latest numbers of the web-site belongs to 1999. It also shows the number of Talysh people as 76.8 thousand. This source is violation of Wikipedia source policy too ( /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Age_matters) - https://web.archive.org/web/20150923211119/http://www.cria-online.org/5_4.html The number of Talysh people is shown in this source as 76.000. However, There has also been mentioned the number of talysh as unproved claims (800.000) of nationalists and unproved armenian scholars. You can write about this on "Demographics" section before overestimating numbers on main section. - https://books.google.az/books?id=NwvoM-ZFoAgC&pg=PA676&dq=%22their+shi%27a+muslim+religion%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZqS0VIz4FeTjsASr3oCAAQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22their%20shi'a%20muslim%20religion%22&f=true Again, According to the source, Government estimation shows almost 2% of population which is almost 180.000
Across Azerbaijan Republic, latest counting had been held in 2009. So, The number of Talysh people living in Azerbaijan is 112.000, According to governmental overall counting and some other reliable sources: - https://minorityrights.org/minorities/talysh - http://www.azerb.com/az-talysh.html?i=1 - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323642917_Ethnic_minority_policy_of_the_republic_of_Azerbaijan_and_their_right_to_get_education_in_mother_languages
or 200.000-300.000 was said by https://minorityrights.org/minorities/talysh as an estimated number
SafaviNihad ( talk) 19:06, 21 September 2019 (UTC)NihadSafavi
Only official resources of countries can be sources. The official census of the Azerbaijan republic is 112.000 people. Please remove unofficial theories Leamsezadah ( talk) 21:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
the only language of tolishing people is tolish not anything else they don't use Persian or any other language Soheilgilan ( talk) 17:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
What have well-known researchers come to this conclusion?
There are many different answers to this question in the scientific literature. Russian researchers V.S. Legkobitov (1806-1860) considered the Talysh to be a part of the Persians.
The language spoken by the Cadusii is not clear, it is not correct to call them Iranian. If there is a source that he speaks in Iranian language, please share with me.
Zamuel2000m (
talk) 11:34, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<---
CU blocked
sock of
User:Aydın memmedov2000
HistoryofIran, could you please explain why you restored the quote from Victor Schnirelmann? This author may be a reliable source on ancient history, but he has very little knowledge on modern history of Azerbaijan. He claims that there was Talysh Mugan republic in 1919 that was defeated by Ottoman troops. This is absolutely wrong. There was no Talysh Mugan republic in 1919, there was Mughan Soviet Republic, which was Russian bolshevik creation, supported mostly by local Russian population, and all of its leaders were ethnic Russians. For example, its political leader was David Chirkin, and military leader was Timofey Ulyantsev-Otradnev, both ethnic Russians. There is a very well researched book on the history of this entity, in Russian: [6] Also, Russian wikipedia has well written articles about Mughan Soviet Republic [7] and struggle for power in Mughan region at that time: [8] Hopefully someone will translate those articles for English Wikipedia, they use a wide variety of sources. In addition, Ottoman troops were not present in Azerbaijan in 1919, because they had to withdraw from the region in accordance with Armistice of Mudros in November 1918. Therefore, the claims in this quote are inaccurate. Grand master 09:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Looks like Location section incorrectly filled with information related to the Demographics. I propose to merge information from location to Demographics. Any objection? -- Abrvagl ( talk) 19:10, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
HistoryofIran, can you please explain how demographics of Lezgins is related to the article about Talysh people? In the edit which I did, I kept the information related to the Talysh people stated by the Cornell, and removed part about Lezgins, which I find unrelated to the article. Thanks.-- Abrvagl ( talk) 19:22, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
A template should be opened and information should be given about the history of the Talysh people, albeit briefly.
Talysh Cadusii (
talk) 16:15, 29 May 2022 (UTC) <---
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