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The tribe names for the upcoming season are Masaya (white collar) in yellow, Nagarote (blue collar) in red and Escameca (no collar) in blue.
Link: [1] ApprenticeFan work 04:32, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Escameca |
Masaya |
Nagarote |
Please don't abbreviate the names. That's good for texting and talking to somebody but not writing an article.
Time to resolver this once and for all. Please see the WP:DRN thanks
Alright, since the DRN ultimately went nowhere, let's try and figure it out here; at least if there's more discussion and no conclusion, they'll actually take the next DRN seriously. First, let me clarify that me bringing up Tasha as an example isn't to signify that First "Nickname" Last takes precedent; it was meant to illustrate that, when CBS wants to make it clear that they're using a nickname, they'll let it be known, from shortened names—like Tasha—to less direct nicknames, like Survivor: China's Steve "Chicken" Morris. The way CBS operates, there is no apparent hard and fast rule, other than whatever they get from the castaways. To try and get all of the legal names would consist of a lot of original research, and would ultimately be useless and trivial; the names listed are of the castaways in relation to the program itself, not necessarily legally. In the case of Survivor: Worlds Apart according to CBS, the castaway in question's name is Jenn Brown, not Jennifer Brown or Jennifer "Jenn" Brown. Until or unless we hear otherwise from CBS, that's what we should be using. - Katanin ( talk) 06:30, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
The names are given by CBS. Without another reliable source showing another form of the name you cannot use any other form without it being OR. Jenn (for example) might be legally Jenn, or Jenny, or Jennifer, or Jeanette, or Derek but the reference refers to her as Jenn and for Wikipedia to do anything else would require a more reliable source. SPACKlick ( talk) 16:05, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
According to his Facebook, his name is Joseph Anglim. Can it be included? 108.162.157.141 ( talk) 18:06, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Reliable journalistic sources such as Entertainment Weekly do not give this season's location as San Juan del Sur, Nicaragua -- it just gives Nicaragua. I am not finding San Juan del Sur mentioned for this season except in unreliable fan sites and mirrors of this article. It would hardly be unusual, given the size of Nicaragua, to stage production at a different spot. Without a reliable journalistic site, we can't say San Juan del Sur. I'm going to hunt for a Nicaraguan newspaper now to see if that helps. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
While International Business Times ( http://www.ibtimes.com/survivor-worlds-apart-cast-meet-18-contestants-ahead-season-30-premiere-photos-1790610) states that this season is in San Juan del Sur, it links to a "source" that doesn't support that claim.
And Reality Blurred traces its claim of San Juan del Sur back to ambiguous claims by a resort regarding multiple beaches, or to anonymous / pseudonymous "sources" that don't reach the bar of WP:RS. After spending all this time looking for something definitive, it looks like we might have to wait until a legitimate press report or CBS statement gives the definite location.-- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information from reliable sources regarding the filming dates? VegasCasinoKid ( talk) 23:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
maybe actually change the logo pic bc its blurred and ugly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.2.134 ( talk) 00:18, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
It was shown that Mike and Dan voted for Lindsey. 108.162.157.141 ( talk) 17:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Their buffs are violet/purple, not black. This was confirmed by the purple-colored text on the screen during their video confessionals.-- Cinemaniac 86 Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire 06:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
From the official CBS recap: "Shirin reads the enclosed note, which confirms that they are merged, and invites them to feast and then return to their new home at the old Escameca camp. As Tyler puts on his new purple and black buff, he admits, “It’s a whole new life and it smells so sweet.”" It would seem that the buffs are considered both purple and black, hence the on-screen text being a purple-blackish color. SilentGanda ( talk) 20:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
I think in the past we have always gone by the dominant/backdrop color of the buff (black in this case) rather than any accent colors (purple in this case) but given the dark purple on-screen text and the official recap, I think we should go with a very dark shade of purple for the article. 24.14.29.0 ( talk) 16:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
If Dan uses his double vote, how is it gonna be shown on Voting History? Will EpX x Dan be two cells, making Dan's row double the length of the other 17's? ~ Totaldramaman ( talk · contribs) 00:45, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
This
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You can add the numbers for the Weekly Rank on the Finale and the Reunion. Source here: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/05/27/tv-ratings-broadcast-top-25-the-voice-tops-adults-18-49-dancing-with-the-stars-tops-total-viewers-for-the-week-ending-may-24-2015/408503/ Taloson ( talk) 13:03, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Done @ Taloson and Mr. Stradivarius: I made the edit. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 05:26, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
In note b for voting history, it should read final Tribal, not first Tribal. ThomasM123 ( talk) 16:02, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
OK, I have to say that this section seems REALLY opinionated and driven by someone with an agenda, considering that A) It was not really that big of a factor in the season, and B) There aren't even any adequate sources, OTHER than the links to the episodes in which they occur, which seems really redundant because those incidents are already covered in the respective episode summaries, and these sources, as such, do NOTHING to highlight the exact incidents or the criticism that they brought about for the season. There's also clear evidence supporting the notion that this is by someone with an agenda due to the fact that Rodney is listed as one of the individuals who allegedly made sexist comments, yet not a single example is given of him doing so. And just because someone "feels" that it's worthy of adding doesn't mean anything. I could "feel" that NaOnka tackling a one-legged girl in Nicaragua is worthy of its own controversy section and thus edit that in, with only the link to the episode in question as a source. Until/Unless someone can provide a couple of adequate sources proving that 1) This WAS a big part of the season, and 2) Generated enough criticism in its own right, this section should be deleted immediately. 104.52.53.152 ( talk) 02:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::Agreed. It should be included in the article. Nothing biased about it whatsoever just stating what was shown on air.
5teevee5 (
talk) 23:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC) [This is a sock of CloudKade.
Drmies (
talk) 13:46, 3 October 2015 (UTC)]
On a different note, as far as I can tell, none of the references indicate this block of text in anyway whatsoever. Could someone please either provide a source that backs this, or delete it.
She was later accused of being overly critical of other contestants during her time at the Ponderosa resort; she called fellow female contestant Sierra Dawn Thomas a "bitch," and was also deeply critical of Tyler Fredrickson. At one point, Fredrickson was so annoyed at Oskooi constantly trying to intervene and say something during his own personal interview, that he had to stop and ask her to stop talking so that he could "have [his] moment" in front of the camera.
ThomasM123 ( talk) 04:59, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
The "vandalism" claims are of course absurd, but your talk page tells me you've been doing that for years.
You also compared to other articles, saying "You can't just change one article and leave all others to stand. It contradicts your argument". No it doesn't contradict anything. First of all, you don't let someone walk off with your bicycle because bikes are stolen all over the place--that's stupid. Second, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Third, it's a good opportunity for us to have a look at all of those articles and see if we can turn them into decent articles, so thank you for the pointer.
Now, since the IP editor kindly removed that section again, perhaps we can have a little peace in here. I suggest you stop edit warring, since a. it's disruptive in its own right; b. you don't have consensus on this here talk page to put that poorly sourced chatter in there; c. you've kind of lost all moral high ground, since you're not just previously blocked for edit warring but now also for socking--and I think you should send Ponyo an apple pie and maybe a new pair of sneakers (Ponyo is an avid ultra-runner) for having blocked you for only two weeks. Thank you.
PS: This is insightful--you had two socks? And were warned again for referring to other edits as "vandalism"? Drmies ( talk) 13:46, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Why was this fcking deleted and not the one in other seasons? Kindly explain. This is such pure BS from a person who clearly has a boner for this season. 02:41, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry for reviving the debate, but I think the color used for Merica is really not accurate, because it is clear that the main color of the tribe is black:
PlanetBuff stated that it's "black with purple", and
the tribe's flag does not have a face purple on it. I know you will probably not want a full-black color because purple is mentioned on the recaps and the confessional subtitles have a purple tone, but black is still the main color, and the current color does not look black at all.
So, instead of the color currently used (#24063A), I suggest to use
dark purple (#301934), which is closer to black.
90.47.225.21 (
talk) 17:07, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
There is a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Survivor task force#Jury vote tables to list the vote totals in the same order as the names in the finalist row immediately above the vote totals. All interested editors are invited to join that discussion. Since the Survivor task force appears to be inactive, I'm notifying Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Reality television task force and the talk pages for each Survivor season in order to reach interested editors. Schazjmd (talk) 16:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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The tribe names for the upcoming season are Masaya (white collar) in yellow, Nagarote (blue collar) in red and Escameca (no collar) in blue.
Link: [1] ApprenticeFan work 04:32, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Escameca |
Masaya |
Nagarote |
Please don't abbreviate the names. That's good for texting and talking to somebody but not writing an article.
Time to resolver this once and for all. Please see the WP:DRN thanks
Alright, since the DRN ultimately went nowhere, let's try and figure it out here; at least if there's more discussion and no conclusion, they'll actually take the next DRN seriously. First, let me clarify that me bringing up Tasha as an example isn't to signify that First "Nickname" Last takes precedent; it was meant to illustrate that, when CBS wants to make it clear that they're using a nickname, they'll let it be known, from shortened names—like Tasha—to less direct nicknames, like Survivor: China's Steve "Chicken" Morris. The way CBS operates, there is no apparent hard and fast rule, other than whatever they get from the castaways. To try and get all of the legal names would consist of a lot of original research, and would ultimately be useless and trivial; the names listed are of the castaways in relation to the program itself, not necessarily legally. In the case of Survivor: Worlds Apart according to CBS, the castaway in question's name is Jenn Brown, not Jennifer Brown or Jennifer "Jenn" Brown. Until or unless we hear otherwise from CBS, that's what we should be using. - Katanin ( talk) 06:30, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
The names are given by CBS. Without another reliable source showing another form of the name you cannot use any other form without it being OR. Jenn (for example) might be legally Jenn, or Jenny, or Jennifer, or Jeanette, or Derek but the reference refers to her as Jenn and for Wikipedia to do anything else would require a more reliable source. SPACKlick ( talk) 16:05, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
According to his Facebook, his name is Joseph Anglim. Can it be included? 108.162.157.141 ( talk) 18:06, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Reliable journalistic sources such as Entertainment Weekly do not give this season's location as San Juan del Sur, Nicaragua -- it just gives Nicaragua. I am not finding San Juan del Sur mentioned for this season except in unreliable fan sites and mirrors of this article. It would hardly be unusual, given the size of Nicaragua, to stage production at a different spot. Without a reliable journalistic site, we can't say San Juan del Sur. I'm going to hunt for a Nicaraguan newspaper now to see if that helps. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
While International Business Times ( http://www.ibtimes.com/survivor-worlds-apart-cast-meet-18-contestants-ahead-season-30-premiere-photos-1790610) states that this season is in San Juan del Sur, it links to a "source" that doesn't support that claim.
And Reality Blurred traces its claim of San Juan del Sur back to ambiguous claims by a resort regarding multiple beaches, or to anonymous / pseudonymous "sources" that don't reach the bar of WP:RS. After spending all this time looking for something definitive, it looks like we might have to wait until a legitimate press report or CBS statement gives the definite location.-- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information from reliable sources regarding the filming dates? VegasCasinoKid ( talk) 23:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
maybe actually change the logo pic bc its blurred and ugly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.2.134 ( talk) 00:18, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
It was shown that Mike and Dan voted for Lindsey. 108.162.157.141 ( talk) 17:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Their buffs are violet/purple, not black. This was confirmed by the purple-colored text on the screen during their video confessionals.-- Cinemaniac 86 Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire 06:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
From the official CBS recap: "Shirin reads the enclosed note, which confirms that they are merged, and invites them to feast and then return to their new home at the old Escameca camp. As Tyler puts on his new purple and black buff, he admits, “It’s a whole new life and it smells so sweet.”" It would seem that the buffs are considered both purple and black, hence the on-screen text being a purple-blackish color. SilentGanda ( talk) 20:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
I think in the past we have always gone by the dominant/backdrop color of the buff (black in this case) rather than any accent colors (purple in this case) but given the dark purple on-screen text and the official recap, I think we should go with a very dark shade of purple for the article. 24.14.29.0 ( talk) 16:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
If Dan uses his double vote, how is it gonna be shown on Voting History? Will EpX x Dan be two cells, making Dan's row double the length of the other 17's? ~ Totaldramaman ( talk · contribs) 00:45, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
You can add the numbers for the Weekly Rank on the Finale and the Reunion. Source here: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/05/27/tv-ratings-broadcast-top-25-the-voice-tops-adults-18-49-dancing-with-the-stars-tops-total-viewers-for-the-week-ending-may-24-2015/408503/ Taloson ( talk) 13:03, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Done @ Taloson and Mr. Stradivarius: I made the edit. -- Gogo Dodo ( talk) 05:26, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
In note b for voting history, it should read final Tribal, not first Tribal. ThomasM123 ( talk) 16:02, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
OK, I have to say that this section seems REALLY opinionated and driven by someone with an agenda, considering that A) It was not really that big of a factor in the season, and B) There aren't even any adequate sources, OTHER than the links to the episodes in which they occur, which seems really redundant because those incidents are already covered in the respective episode summaries, and these sources, as such, do NOTHING to highlight the exact incidents or the criticism that they brought about for the season. There's also clear evidence supporting the notion that this is by someone with an agenda due to the fact that Rodney is listed as one of the individuals who allegedly made sexist comments, yet not a single example is given of him doing so. And just because someone "feels" that it's worthy of adding doesn't mean anything. I could "feel" that NaOnka tackling a one-legged girl in Nicaragua is worthy of its own controversy section and thus edit that in, with only the link to the episode in question as a source. Until/Unless someone can provide a couple of adequate sources proving that 1) This WAS a big part of the season, and 2) Generated enough criticism in its own right, this section should be deleted immediately. 104.52.53.152 ( talk) 02:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::Agreed. It should be included in the article. Nothing biased about it whatsoever just stating what was shown on air.
5teevee5 (
talk) 23:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC) [This is a sock of CloudKade.
Drmies (
talk) 13:46, 3 October 2015 (UTC)]
On a different note, as far as I can tell, none of the references indicate this block of text in anyway whatsoever. Could someone please either provide a source that backs this, or delete it.
She was later accused of being overly critical of other contestants during her time at the Ponderosa resort; she called fellow female contestant Sierra Dawn Thomas a "bitch," and was also deeply critical of Tyler Fredrickson. At one point, Fredrickson was so annoyed at Oskooi constantly trying to intervene and say something during his own personal interview, that he had to stop and ask her to stop talking so that he could "have [his] moment" in front of the camera.
ThomasM123 ( talk) 04:59, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
The "vandalism" claims are of course absurd, but your talk page tells me you've been doing that for years.
You also compared to other articles, saying "You can't just change one article and leave all others to stand. It contradicts your argument". No it doesn't contradict anything. First of all, you don't let someone walk off with your bicycle because bikes are stolen all over the place--that's stupid. Second, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Third, it's a good opportunity for us to have a look at all of those articles and see if we can turn them into decent articles, so thank you for the pointer.
Now, since the IP editor kindly removed that section again, perhaps we can have a little peace in here. I suggest you stop edit warring, since a. it's disruptive in its own right; b. you don't have consensus on this here talk page to put that poorly sourced chatter in there; c. you've kind of lost all moral high ground, since you're not just previously blocked for edit warring but now also for socking--and I think you should send Ponyo an apple pie and maybe a new pair of sneakers (Ponyo is an avid ultra-runner) for having blocked you for only two weeks. Thank you.
PS: This is insightful--you had two socks? And were warned again for referring to other edits as "vandalism"? Drmies ( talk) 13:46, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Why was this fcking deleted and not the one in other seasons? Kindly explain. This is such pure BS from a person who clearly has a boner for this season. 02:41, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry for reviving the debate, but I think the color used for Merica is really not accurate, because it is clear that the main color of the tribe is black:
PlanetBuff stated that it's "black with purple", and
the tribe's flag does not have a face purple on it. I know you will probably not want a full-black color because purple is mentioned on the recaps and the confessional subtitles have a purple tone, but black is still the main color, and the current color does not look black at all.
So, instead of the color currently used (#24063A), I suggest to use
dark purple (#301934), which is closer to black.
90.47.225.21 (
talk) 17:07, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
There is a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Survivor task force#Jury vote tables to list the vote totals in the same order as the names in the finalist row immediately above the vote totals. All interested editors are invited to join that discussion. Since the Survivor task force appears to be inactive, I'm notifying Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Reality television task force and the talk pages for each Survivor season in order to reach interested editors. Schazjmd (talk) 16:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)