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Metropolitan area is confused with combined statistical area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.17.20 ( talk) 19:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Ronald Reagan was from Illinois not California.
Originally, yes, but California became his adopted home, and he was elected governor there twice.
W Bush is from Texas. H.W. Bush is definitely a New Englander. He represented Connecticut and has strong ties to Maine.
W Bush isn't from Texas. He was born in Conn. Likewise, H. W. Bush is a New Englander from Mass.
Arkansas is not mentioned as being in the Sun Belt, yet Bill Clinton is included as having come from a Sun Belt state. (Arkansas probably has an arguable case for being in the Sun Belt, but it is neither mentioned in the article nor included on the map.))
Wilson wasn't the only president raised in a Sun Belt who held office prior to 1964 as Andrew Jackson was born and raised in South Carolina.
The environment is important to Sun Belt states? Many have amongst the weakest environmental regulations in the country.
Two references to growing economic opportunities - but GDP rates do not show that Sun Belt states generally perform better than non-Sun Belt states, with States like Washington, North Dakota, etc., ranking as high or better. Did the Sun Belt Marketing board add this line? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.252.254.202 ( talk) 18:03, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
How come Louisville, Kentucky be included in the sun belt while Nashville, Tennessee or Denver, Colorado get excluded? If any no one can explain this, I'll delete the Louisville link.
what bout southern virginia?
How does Carson City fit into the Sun Belt? Corvus cornix talk 21:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
>> ... air conditioning has made it easier for people to deal with the oppressive heat that grips the region during the summertime
Give me a break! Some of us enjoy the heat. 64.221.15.66 ( talk) 21:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
http://www.solarthermalworld.org/node/757 Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece and Cyprus. - Pedro ( talk) 22:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
User 208.81.184.4 recently reverted the list of cities from a compact table back to a list. Not that it matters a whole lot but I think the table is better simply because the list is long with lots of white space and scrolling down is a nuissance. It is frankly debatable whether listing out so many cities has real value but if this is going to be kept I think making it more compact is worthwhile.
Anyway, I'm not going to get into an edit war over it but if somebody else agrees with me feel free to put the table back in the way I had it. -- Mcorazao ( talk) 14:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Why doesn't the article mention that the sunbelt is transient.. South Bay ( talk) 03:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
"Since Lyndon B. Johnson's election in 1964, every elected United States President, with the exception of Barack Obama from Illinois, has been from the Sun Belt. (Gerald Ford, who was from Michigan, served as President following Richard Nixon's resignation but was not elected as President, and lost to Georgia's Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election.)"
This seems to infer that the presidents were born in the sunbelt. But Ronald Reagan (Illinois), George H W Bush (Massachusetts), and George W Bush (Connecticut) were all born outside. I know thet Reagan and George W Bush were governers of sun belts states but I think this passage is still a bit missleading. 81.97.41.36 ( talk) 20:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The 'Major Cities in the Sunbelt' section of this article speaks of the largest metropolitan areas, then uses CSA (combined statistical area) rather than MSA (metropolitan statistical area) numbers, leading to inaccurate numbers and skewed data. The table should be changed to represent MSA's as seen in the 2010 census: http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/10smadb/2010smadb.pdf
It seems that most modern sources rely on MSA information rather than CSA. If the CSA info must remain, then the entirety of the Major Cities section needs to be rewritten for accuracy. Thoughts? 24.242.196.176 ( talk) 14:08, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello, friends. Not to rehash this mostly inconsequential dispute, but I did notice that the List of Metropolitan Areas of the United States uses CSAs and not MSAs. I'm not positive why that decision was made. Thoughts? Should we follow along? AgnosticAphid talk 02:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
I slightly changed the wording of the sentence about people moving to the sun belt in the lede.
I thought that the copy edit was great, but it changed the sentence to say that retiring baby boomers move because of the milder climate, whereas before it said that population had increased because of moving baby boomers and the milder climate.
I don't really know which is more accurate, I was just trying to restore the previous meaning. The result is admittedly a bit awkward. AgnosticAphid talk 22:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
There is a reference to "immigrants, both documented and undocumented". That is a euphemism. Shouldn't it properly ready "both legal and illegal"? 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 03:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
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I've been researching sunbelt states and their population's propensity to avoid high per capita COVID-19 deaths relative to their COVID-19 case numbers. It seems this is due to the abundancy of sunshine, i.e. the high elevation of the sun and the ability of the population to naturally produce Vitamin D which is known to help the human body defend against respiratory disease. Interestingly, the majority of the sunbelt states are currently clumped together in the national per capita ranks of both total cases and total deaths. This clump of states between the ranks of 15th and 24th in total cases includes South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Nevada (partial sunbelt), Alabama, New Mexico, and Arkansas. However, I've noticed Arkansas is not mentioned in the Definition paragraph at all - not as a sunbelt state or even a partial sunbelt state. This omission is mentioned at the top of this talk page as well. Since one method of defining the north / south sunbelt boundary is using the 36th parallel, one can see the vast majority of Arkansas is below this line. In fact, it can be argued that it is better positioned than some of the other sunbelt states and it appears that about 90% of the state is below the 36th parallel - for example Arkansas's northern border is further south than the northern borders of both Arizona and New Mexico. When one considers the elevation of the sun, it doesn't make sense to exclude Arkansas while including New Mexico and Arizona. And is it not odd that Arkansas State is included in the college sports Sunbelt Conference? Therefore, I am adding Arkansas to the list. Oklahoma may be another candidate for entry as a possible sunbelt state or at least a partial sunbelt state, but that's another discussion. ~~Mark The Droner~~
It regularly gets below freezing. It is too cold for them to be counted as sun belt.
I have removed the section "Major cities in not always included the Sun Belt" twice because it is unsourced and frankly makes no sense to me. It keeps being restored, so I thought maybe editors can discuss here why this section should be in the article and a citation for the content which appears to be original research. Thanks, Bahooka ( talk) 04:44, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
The article linked to American crocodile states "The American crocodile (Crocodylus acutus) is a species of crocodilian found in the Neotropics. It is the most widespread of the four extant species of crocodiles from the Americas, with populations present from South Florida and the coasts of Mexico to as far south as Peru and Venezuela." Both claims can't be true. Barefoot through the chollas ( talk) 18:17, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
I removed the Major cities section per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. It is an unsourced and unhelpful list of random cities that sometimes fall within the Sun Belt. Editors are constantly changing the cities, but the list does nothing to help readers understand the article topic. My removal was reverted by a now-blocked user. Recommend leaving it off. Bahooka ( talk) 00:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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Metropolitan area is confused with combined statistical area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.17.20 ( talk) 19:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Ronald Reagan was from Illinois not California.
Originally, yes, but California became his adopted home, and he was elected governor there twice.
W Bush is from Texas. H.W. Bush is definitely a New Englander. He represented Connecticut and has strong ties to Maine.
W Bush isn't from Texas. He was born in Conn. Likewise, H. W. Bush is a New Englander from Mass.
Arkansas is not mentioned as being in the Sun Belt, yet Bill Clinton is included as having come from a Sun Belt state. (Arkansas probably has an arguable case for being in the Sun Belt, but it is neither mentioned in the article nor included on the map.))
Wilson wasn't the only president raised in a Sun Belt who held office prior to 1964 as Andrew Jackson was born and raised in South Carolina.
The environment is important to Sun Belt states? Many have amongst the weakest environmental regulations in the country.
Two references to growing economic opportunities - but GDP rates do not show that Sun Belt states generally perform better than non-Sun Belt states, with States like Washington, North Dakota, etc., ranking as high or better. Did the Sun Belt Marketing board add this line? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.252.254.202 ( talk) 18:03, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
How come Louisville, Kentucky be included in the sun belt while Nashville, Tennessee or Denver, Colorado get excluded? If any no one can explain this, I'll delete the Louisville link.
what bout southern virginia?
How does Carson City fit into the Sun Belt? Corvus cornix talk 21:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
>> ... air conditioning has made it easier for people to deal with the oppressive heat that grips the region during the summertime
Give me a break! Some of us enjoy the heat. 64.221.15.66 ( talk) 21:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
http://www.solarthermalworld.org/node/757 Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece and Cyprus. - Pedro ( talk) 22:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
User 208.81.184.4 recently reverted the list of cities from a compact table back to a list. Not that it matters a whole lot but I think the table is better simply because the list is long with lots of white space and scrolling down is a nuissance. It is frankly debatable whether listing out so many cities has real value but if this is going to be kept I think making it more compact is worthwhile.
Anyway, I'm not going to get into an edit war over it but if somebody else agrees with me feel free to put the table back in the way I had it. -- Mcorazao ( talk) 14:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Why doesn't the article mention that the sunbelt is transient.. South Bay ( talk) 03:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
"Since Lyndon B. Johnson's election in 1964, every elected United States President, with the exception of Barack Obama from Illinois, has been from the Sun Belt. (Gerald Ford, who was from Michigan, served as President following Richard Nixon's resignation but was not elected as President, and lost to Georgia's Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election.)"
This seems to infer that the presidents were born in the sunbelt. But Ronald Reagan (Illinois), George H W Bush (Massachusetts), and George W Bush (Connecticut) were all born outside. I know thet Reagan and George W Bush were governers of sun belts states but I think this passage is still a bit missleading. 81.97.41.36 ( talk) 20:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The 'Major Cities in the Sunbelt' section of this article speaks of the largest metropolitan areas, then uses CSA (combined statistical area) rather than MSA (metropolitan statistical area) numbers, leading to inaccurate numbers and skewed data. The table should be changed to represent MSA's as seen in the 2010 census: http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/10smadb/2010smadb.pdf
It seems that most modern sources rely on MSA information rather than CSA. If the CSA info must remain, then the entirety of the Major Cities section needs to be rewritten for accuracy. Thoughts? 24.242.196.176 ( talk) 14:08, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello, friends. Not to rehash this mostly inconsequential dispute, but I did notice that the List of Metropolitan Areas of the United States uses CSAs and not MSAs. I'm not positive why that decision was made. Thoughts? Should we follow along? AgnosticAphid talk 02:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
I slightly changed the wording of the sentence about people moving to the sun belt in the lede.
I thought that the copy edit was great, but it changed the sentence to say that retiring baby boomers move because of the milder climate, whereas before it said that population had increased because of moving baby boomers and the milder climate.
I don't really know which is more accurate, I was just trying to restore the previous meaning. The result is admittedly a bit awkward. AgnosticAphid talk 22:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
There is a reference to "immigrants, both documented and undocumented". That is a euphemism. Shouldn't it properly ready "both legal and illegal"? 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 03:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
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The infobox provides an exact population figure, supported by this citation. However, that link is just a collection of state populations and the figure in our article is therefore original research. My searches for a replacement ref are not going well. There's lots of stuff about population growth and stuff about individual city or state populations ( example), but nothing to support the 144,460,016 figure. Matt Deres ( talk) 16:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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I've been researching sunbelt states and their population's propensity to avoid high per capita COVID-19 deaths relative to their COVID-19 case numbers. It seems this is due to the abundancy of sunshine, i.e. the high elevation of the sun and the ability of the population to naturally produce Vitamin D which is known to help the human body defend against respiratory disease. Interestingly, the majority of the sunbelt states are currently clumped together in the national per capita ranks of both total cases and total deaths. This clump of states between the ranks of 15th and 24th in total cases includes South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Nevada (partial sunbelt), Alabama, New Mexico, and Arkansas. However, I've noticed Arkansas is not mentioned in the Definition paragraph at all - not as a sunbelt state or even a partial sunbelt state. This omission is mentioned at the top of this talk page as well. Since one method of defining the north / south sunbelt boundary is using the 36th parallel, one can see the vast majority of Arkansas is below this line. In fact, it can be argued that it is better positioned than some of the other sunbelt states and it appears that about 90% of the state is below the 36th parallel - for example Arkansas's northern border is further south than the northern borders of both Arizona and New Mexico. When one considers the elevation of the sun, it doesn't make sense to exclude Arkansas while including New Mexico and Arizona. And is it not odd that Arkansas State is included in the college sports Sunbelt Conference? Therefore, I am adding Arkansas to the list. Oklahoma may be another candidate for entry as a possible sunbelt state or at least a partial sunbelt state, but that's another discussion. ~~Mark The Droner~~
It regularly gets below freezing. It is too cold for them to be counted as sun belt.
I have removed the section "Major cities in not always included the Sun Belt" twice because it is unsourced and frankly makes no sense to me. It keeps being restored, so I thought maybe editors can discuss here why this section should be in the article and a citation for the content which appears to be original research. Thanks, Bahooka ( talk) 04:44, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
The article linked to American crocodile states "The American crocodile (Crocodylus acutus) is a species of crocodilian found in the Neotropics. It is the most widespread of the four extant species of crocodiles from the Americas, with populations present from South Florida and the coasts of Mexico to as far south as Peru and Venezuela." Both claims can't be true. Barefoot through the chollas ( talk) 18:17, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
I removed the Major cities section per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. It is an unsourced and unhelpful list of random cities that sometimes fall within the Sun Belt. Editors are constantly changing the cities, but the list does nothing to help readers understand the article topic. My removal was reverted by a now-blocked user. Recommend leaving it off. Bahooka ( talk) 00:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)