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For me as a non-native speaker it would be great to clarify the differences between student strike, student boycott, student protest, Student demonstration.
First of all, the protests or demonstrations I attended and organized in Europe had nothing to do with a boycott because many people didn't had to go to school that day or at that particular time.
It was just a form of expressing dissatisfaction on the streets and mainly raising media awareness.
That's why I don't understand why either the word student strike or boycott could relatively be advantageous.
The real pressure lies in our presence outside to put pressure on the government and institutions by
university bureaus and many more places that could paralyze the daily business
It would be a big gain for everybody if somebody could translate the German "student protest" page even if only partially into English. There is a lot of historic information that could be interesting and important to English speaking countries and cultures that have people who understand English. A lot of information is not available to people because of such language barriers. 78.94.60.112 ( talk) 18:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think the article Student strike should be merged into the article Student protest because it is just a form of student protest. -- MTLskyline ( talk) 14:16, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I am writing here in respond to 3O request. I never participated in discussion on this talk-page, and never edited neither of articles in question. First, this is not quite 3 opinion, as we already have 3 users here, but i would give you mine anyway. After analyzing both articles, and all your arguments and sources, i would say following: In general, there is not enough material or reasons for those two articles to be apart. Also, there is serious questions about students ability to go on "strike", as explained, and therefor, i would propose to merge those two into Student protest. Also, per sources it looks like " Student strike" term may be controversial, so merge should be done even more. Sure, entire content should be merged, and differences and controversials can be sourced and mentioned in the new/old Student protest. Thats it, i hope that i helped, for anything more, i am here. All best. -- WhiteWriter speaks 16:58, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Couldn't all the issues discussed be fixed by renaming Student strike to Student boycott? D O N D E groovily Talk to me 20:22, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Can I go ahead and merge the two articles? Does anyone have any remaining issues with the proposed merger?-- MTLskyline ( talk) 13:24, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Please do not remove the section on the student boycott of class without discussing it here first. Thank you.-- MTLskyline ( talk) 23:03, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Not only does the section merged from the article have nothing to do in an article listing student protests because it is a section about a mean of protestation (just like "sit-ins" doesn't belong in this article), but it is also biased.
Calling student strikes "boycott of classes" is a strategy established by the Liberal Party of Quebec to delegitimize and trivialize the student movement. Everyone called student strikes "student strikes" before the government used that strategy and made the term "boycott of classes" popular amongst those against the movement.
If students cannot go on "strike" because they are not employees, then using the same logic, people cannot go on "hunger strike" or on "sex strike" either because they are neither employees of their body nor are they withholding services from their spouse. Those should then be called "food boycott" and "sex boycott", which they are not, because they are not boycotts. Striking is a concept and that concept applies to "student strikes", much more than "boycott" does (see the appropriate Wikipedia articles).
It is also nonsense to call this a boycott just because the government does not legally recognize the movement as a strike. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a Canada or Quebec law book. Following the same logic, the page about "civil disobedience" should not exist either because the governments of Quebec and Canada do not legally recognize it.
Also, since when are media outlets authorities on anything? Media can be biased and they are. What the medias have to say about the legitimacy of calling student strikes "student strikes" is irrelevant since they are themselves biased and are often employed to feed that bias.
Student strikes already have a name and that name is "student strikes". They have always been called "student strikes" (as the links to articles about other student strikes in history show). I'm not a Wikipedia buff, but I am pretty sure it does against the rule that says that the commonly used term should be used.
The merge should be reversed because this article is not about means of protestation and renaming "student strikes" to "boycott of classes" is very inaccurate.
I see in the edits and interventions of user MTLSkyline in the talk page of this and other related articles as an attempt to impose political bias and opinions as fact.
It is ridiculous that such blatantly biased edits even have to be discussed.
70.40.168.59 (
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00:34, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Two (of the three) external links are dead. Xx236 ( talk) 07:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I reverted this. Reasons: 1) technical - WP:LEAD should not contain new content, but a summary of what's in the main body, which did not mention this 2) technical again - unreferenced. Of course 1) and 2) can be fixed in 5 minutes. But now, 3) while student suicide (self-immolation...) can be seen as extreme student activism, we should not confuse student activism with student protest, just like student strike, merged here, is a separate concept (that however might have lacked notability and was merged here). The are related, but student strike is just one of repertoires of contention used by students, just like sit-ins, or self-immolation. Student protest is somewhat of an ambiguous term, which is why I prefer campus protest, because campus makes it clear we are talking about various activism physically located at the campus. Also, as noted by sources, those protest may include faculty members too, so the name student protest can be misleading. Now, student activism is wider, and not limited to just campus itself; it also includes topics such as student organizations, organizers, etc. So to go back to the reasons for reverting: if a student self-immolates himself at a public plaza, it's not a "campus protest". It's a "protest by a student", but we cannot even be sure it's part of "student activism", unless we define the latter as "any activism involving a student". In either case, this article, which IMHO should be renamed to "campus protest", should focus on "activism on campus", which is different from "activism by students". -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:17, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus not to move the article at this time, but participants are encourgaed to help develop the scope of this article and student activism and/or consider a merge in the future — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:51, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
Student protest be
renamed and moved to
Campus protest.
The discussion has been closed. Links:
current log •
target log |
Student protest → Campus protest – The term "student protest" is more ambiguous and can be confused with "student activism", i.e. protests by students. The term campus protest, used in some sources ( [1], [2]), is more clear as relating to "activism/protests on campus", which can a) include faculty and b) is limited to campus itself. When students join demonstrations outside campus, it's no longer student/campus protest, but a wider type of social movement activity involving [student activism[]]. For example, 2014 Hong Kong class boycott campaign was a campus protest that eventually grew larger and became a 2014 Hong Kong protests. Or in other words, all student/campus protests are example of studenta activism, but not vice versa. And using the term 'campus activism' should prevent people from confusing more narrow term of 'student protests (on campus)' with a larger term of general 'student activism'. Another way to think of it: "protest on campus = campus protest", "student/campus protests/activism, including all forms of protests and activism by students = student activism", and "student protest" = disambig between those two. Oh, and campus activism should be either a redirect to student activism, I've just created it, or another disambig (not a great term, if student activists meet outside campus, its no longer campus activism but still student activism... sigh). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:23, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
It's an ambiguous term that often is a synonym of student activism. Consider for example:
questions, (i) How often do you participate in the student movement? Have you participated in: (2) joining a revolutionary ideology study group, (3) joining a campus stage acting group, (4) entering dissident religious group activity, (5) enrolling in an all-night study group, (6) participating in labor-student solidarity actions, (7) campus demonstration, (8) off-campus protest, (9) occupying campus buildings?" This is very helpful for seeing what student activism composes of. What the concept of "campus protest" here is focused on is (7) and (9) - campus demonstration, protests. This is different from (8), off-campus protest.
In either case, it should be clear that the concept of 'student protest' refers to many things and needs to a disambig. Or we just merge this into student activism in general, but I think on-campus protests can be distinctive enough to warrant their own article. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:09, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Consider "faculty protest". This is another name that about as bad as student protest. Faculty can participate in on-campus protest, mingling with students (sources for this are in the article). Clearly, a protest that includes both students and faculty should not be called 'student protest'. There are also faculty-only protests. Some occur on campus (cancelling classes, not filling paperwork), while other can include marches outside campus, and so on. The concept of campus protest can allow for participation by both students and faculty. We may need a separate article on faculty activism, mirroring student activism. But the folly of the name 'student protest' should be clear when we consider that 'student protest' would stop being a student protest as soon as non-students join it... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
I added a POV tag because the title of the article and the contents do not match. The article as imposed after the recent edit-war talks about campus protest, while the title is about student protest. The two are not the same. Students have protested on city streets and at legislatures, not only on campus. This has to be fixed immediately. Dr. K. 19:27, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Since the RM failed and there's an objection to the merge of campus protest to student protest, I propose to revert this article to the pre-merge state. Any thoughts on that? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:25, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
After looking at this again, I think merged single article is better than two forks. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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For me as a non-native speaker it would be great to clarify the differences between student strike, student boycott, student protest, Student demonstration.
First of all, the protests or demonstrations I attended and organized in Europe had nothing to do with a boycott because many people didn't had to go to school that day or at that particular time.
It was just a form of expressing dissatisfaction on the streets and mainly raising media awareness.
That's why I don't understand why either the word student strike or boycott could relatively be advantageous.
The real pressure lies in our presence outside to put pressure on the government and institutions by
university bureaus and many more places that could paralyze the daily business
It would be a big gain for everybody if somebody could translate the German "student protest" page even if only partially into English. There is a lot of historic information that could be interesting and important to English speaking countries and cultures that have people who understand English. A lot of information is not available to people because of such language barriers. 78.94.60.112 ( talk) 18:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think the article Student strike should be merged into the article Student protest because it is just a form of student protest. -- MTLskyline ( talk) 14:16, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I am writing here in respond to 3O request. I never participated in discussion on this talk-page, and never edited neither of articles in question. First, this is not quite 3 opinion, as we already have 3 users here, but i would give you mine anyway. After analyzing both articles, and all your arguments and sources, i would say following: In general, there is not enough material or reasons for those two articles to be apart. Also, there is serious questions about students ability to go on "strike", as explained, and therefor, i would propose to merge those two into Student protest. Also, per sources it looks like " Student strike" term may be controversial, so merge should be done even more. Sure, entire content should be merged, and differences and controversials can be sourced and mentioned in the new/old Student protest. Thats it, i hope that i helped, for anything more, i am here. All best. -- WhiteWriter speaks 16:58, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Couldn't all the issues discussed be fixed by renaming Student strike to Student boycott? D O N D E groovily Talk to me 20:22, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Can I go ahead and merge the two articles? Does anyone have any remaining issues with the proposed merger?-- MTLskyline ( talk) 13:24, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Please do not remove the section on the student boycott of class without discussing it here first. Thank you.-- MTLskyline ( talk) 23:03, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Not only does the section merged from the article have nothing to do in an article listing student protests because it is a section about a mean of protestation (just like "sit-ins" doesn't belong in this article), but it is also biased.
Calling student strikes "boycott of classes" is a strategy established by the Liberal Party of Quebec to delegitimize and trivialize the student movement. Everyone called student strikes "student strikes" before the government used that strategy and made the term "boycott of classes" popular amongst those against the movement.
If students cannot go on "strike" because they are not employees, then using the same logic, people cannot go on "hunger strike" or on "sex strike" either because they are neither employees of their body nor are they withholding services from their spouse. Those should then be called "food boycott" and "sex boycott", which they are not, because they are not boycotts. Striking is a concept and that concept applies to "student strikes", much more than "boycott" does (see the appropriate Wikipedia articles).
It is also nonsense to call this a boycott just because the government does not legally recognize the movement as a strike. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a Canada or Quebec law book. Following the same logic, the page about "civil disobedience" should not exist either because the governments of Quebec and Canada do not legally recognize it.
Also, since when are media outlets authorities on anything? Media can be biased and they are. What the medias have to say about the legitimacy of calling student strikes "student strikes" is irrelevant since they are themselves biased and are often employed to feed that bias.
Student strikes already have a name and that name is "student strikes". They have always been called "student strikes" (as the links to articles about other student strikes in history show). I'm not a Wikipedia buff, but I am pretty sure it does against the rule that says that the commonly used term should be used.
The merge should be reversed because this article is not about means of protestation and renaming "student strikes" to "boycott of classes" is very inaccurate.
I see in the edits and interventions of user MTLSkyline in the talk page of this and other related articles as an attempt to impose political bias and opinions as fact.
It is ridiculous that such blatantly biased edits even have to be discussed.
70.40.168.59 (
talk)
00:34, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Two (of the three) external links are dead. Xx236 ( talk) 07:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I reverted this. Reasons: 1) technical - WP:LEAD should not contain new content, but a summary of what's in the main body, which did not mention this 2) technical again - unreferenced. Of course 1) and 2) can be fixed in 5 minutes. But now, 3) while student suicide (self-immolation...) can be seen as extreme student activism, we should not confuse student activism with student protest, just like student strike, merged here, is a separate concept (that however might have lacked notability and was merged here). The are related, but student strike is just one of repertoires of contention used by students, just like sit-ins, or self-immolation. Student protest is somewhat of an ambiguous term, which is why I prefer campus protest, because campus makes it clear we are talking about various activism physically located at the campus. Also, as noted by sources, those protest may include faculty members too, so the name student protest can be misleading. Now, student activism is wider, and not limited to just campus itself; it also includes topics such as student organizations, organizers, etc. So to go back to the reasons for reverting: if a student self-immolates himself at a public plaza, it's not a "campus protest". It's a "protest by a student", but we cannot even be sure it's part of "student activism", unless we define the latter as "any activism involving a student". In either case, this article, which IMHO should be renamed to "campus protest", should focus on "activism on campus", which is different from "activism by students". -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:17, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus not to move the article at this time, but participants are encourgaed to help develop the scope of this article and student activism and/or consider a merge in the future — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:51, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
Student protest be
renamed and moved to
Campus protest.
The discussion has been closed. Links:
current log •
target log |
Student protest → Campus protest – The term "student protest" is more ambiguous and can be confused with "student activism", i.e. protests by students. The term campus protest, used in some sources ( [1], [2]), is more clear as relating to "activism/protests on campus", which can a) include faculty and b) is limited to campus itself. When students join demonstrations outside campus, it's no longer student/campus protest, but a wider type of social movement activity involving [student activism[]]. For example, 2014 Hong Kong class boycott campaign was a campus protest that eventually grew larger and became a 2014 Hong Kong protests. Or in other words, all student/campus protests are example of studenta activism, but not vice versa. And using the term 'campus activism' should prevent people from confusing more narrow term of 'student protests (on campus)' with a larger term of general 'student activism'. Another way to think of it: "protest on campus = campus protest", "student/campus protests/activism, including all forms of protests and activism by students = student activism", and "student protest" = disambig between those two. Oh, and campus activism should be either a redirect to student activism, I've just created it, or another disambig (not a great term, if student activists meet outside campus, its no longer campus activism but still student activism... sigh). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:23, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
It's an ambiguous term that often is a synonym of student activism. Consider for example:
questions, (i) How often do you participate in the student movement? Have you participated in: (2) joining a revolutionary ideology study group, (3) joining a campus stage acting group, (4) entering dissident religious group activity, (5) enrolling in an all-night study group, (6) participating in labor-student solidarity actions, (7) campus demonstration, (8) off-campus protest, (9) occupying campus buildings?" This is very helpful for seeing what student activism composes of. What the concept of "campus protest" here is focused on is (7) and (9) - campus demonstration, protests. This is different from (8), off-campus protest.
In either case, it should be clear that the concept of 'student protest' refers to many things and needs to a disambig. Or we just merge this into student activism in general, but I think on-campus protests can be distinctive enough to warrant their own article. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:09, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Consider "faculty protest". This is another name that about as bad as student protest. Faculty can participate in on-campus protest, mingling with students (sources for this are in the article). Clearly, a protest that includes both students and faculty should not be called 'student protest'. There are also faculty-only protests. Some occur on campus (cancelling classes, not filling paperwork), while other can include marches outside campus, and so on. The concept of campus protest can allow for participation by both students and faculty. We may need a separate article on faculty activism, mirroring student activism. But the folly of the name 'student protest' should be clear when we consider that 'student protest' would stop being a student protest as soon as non-students join it... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
I added a POV tag because the title of the article and the contents do not match. The article as imposed after the recent edit-war talks about campus protest, while the title is about student protest. The two are not the same. Students have protested on city streets and at legislatures, not only on campus. This has to be fixed immediately. Dr. K. 19:27, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Since the RM failed and there's an objection to the merge of campus protest to student protest, I propose to revert this article to the pre-merge state. Any thoughts on that? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:25, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
After looking at this again, I think merged single article is better than two forks. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)