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Danzig succesfully defended against Bathory??!?!?? I would prefer Gdnaks name too, if we call Lithuanian city by Vilnius...[[user::szopen|szopen]] — Preceding undated comment added 08:32, 1 November 2003 Maximilian's army was defeated at Krakow, Parzymiechy, and Byczyna. He was caught and held prisoner. When released, he still was usurping title of Polish king. The 66.47 idea that he was not interested is ridiculous. If he was not interested, why he entered Poland with army in first place!! Szopen — Preceding undated comment added 14:52, 2 March 2004
I think our royal name policy needs to be adjusted with respect to kings of Poland. This guy is universally known as Stefan (or Stephen) Bathory. Similarly, Jan or John Sobieski. Stanislas Poniatowski. I'm not sure what the advantage of putting them in positions like this is. Anyone else have thoughts? john k 21:39, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Lysy, I don't see you communicating on the talk page here, either. At any rate, the Kings of Poland templates are inappropriate, as are all the Polish officeholder templates. We don't do such templates for any other officeholders, and there is no reason to do it for Polish kings. Why does having a list of all Polish kings add to the article on an individual Polish king? Why isn't a succession box sufficient? john k 15:07, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
The current policy on article series boxes is such: "For very long series, it is preferable to use incumbent series, which only show the elements of the series immediately preceding and succeeding the article." - Wikipedia:Categories,_lists,_and_series_boxes. The Kings of Poland template clearly falls under this rubrik. By removing the template, I was following current policy. At the very, very least the template needs to be broken up. Can I also note that I removed the template for every prime minister of Poland, every president of Poland, and every King of Poland after Stephen (as well as Henry III of France), and nobody objected except to this one page? john k 20:18, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
I didn't remove it from any main articles, just the articles on individual officeholders, although I did just nominate them for deletion - the information could easily be moved from the template to the main article, if the conclusion is that they shouldn't be on the individual pages. john k 02:37, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Hallo, I have a problem with the current name. Sure it fits with the practice of Polish kings currently applied. However, there happen to be 12 men called Stephen Báthory (sure not all deserve an article but there already exist two others and one is to come). Therefore I would suggest renaming this page either Stephen Báthory, King of Poland (per the naming coventions that prefers the highest-ranking title for reigning monarchs). I don't mind using either the Polish Batory or the Hungarian Báthory spelling - but I don't think that the minute difference the Polish spelling provides is enough to distinguish him from his eleven namesakes. Str1977 (smile back) 07:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I've tended to see the Hungarian spelling more frequently. john k 00:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I think that
Stephen of Poland is the better option as most monarchs are styled with just heir regnal name and the country of rule. Adding in King of Poland is slightly redundant and inconsistent with most of the monarchs within wikipedia's mainspace.
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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
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polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.
Regarding usage one of the crowns, due to naming convention, we should take into account that it is not set in stone. In other hand I would not oppose to Báthory usage. M.K. 19:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
M.K.'s comments about the subject's importance in other countries does not tally with our naming conventions. Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom is also queen of many other countries, for example. All the remaining contributors seem to be happy with the title Stephen Báthory of Poland. This article has been renamed from Stefan Batory to Stephen Báthory of Poland as the result of a move request. -- Stemonitis 14:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Stephen Báthory of Poland is awful. When you have "Name Ordinal of Country", it is clear that a monarch is being referred to. "Firstname Surname of Country" is just weird. john k ( talk) 22:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Could an editor address the following material, which appears to be a copyvio. Source here refers to the Wayback machine version as of Jan 17, 2006 [1]. That version states Copyright ©2005 Soylent Communications. The sentences were all inserted on Feb 3 2006 [2].
1) Source: István Báthory spent his early years at the court of the emperor Ferdinand, subsequently attached himself to Janos Zapolya, and won equal renown as a valiant lord-marcher, and as a skilful diplomat at the imperial court.
2) Source: The Pearl of Poland", encouraged by her immense wealth, and almost impregnable fortifications, as well as by the secret support of Denmark and the emperor, had shut her gates against the new monarch.
3) Source: Two campaigns of wearing marches, and still more exhausting sieges ensued, in which Báthory, although repeatedly hampered by the parsimony of the Diet, was uniformly successful, his skilful diplomacy at the same time allaying the suspicions of the Porte and the emperor.
4) Source: But the king, despite the murmurs of his own officers, and the protestations of the papal nuncio, Possevino, whom the curia, deluded by the mirage of a union of the churches, had sent expressly from Rome to mediate between the tsar and the king of Poland, closely besieged the city throughout a winter of arctic severity...
5) Source: At first his position was extremely difficult; but the sudden death of the emperor Maximilian at the very moment when that potentate, in league with the Muscovite, was about to invade Poland, completely changed the face of things, and though Stephen's distrust of the Habsburgs remained invincible, he consented at last to enter into a defensive alliance with the empire which was carried through by the papal nuncio on his return to Rome in 1578.
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: http://www.nndb.com/people/091/000097797/. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. -- Novickas ( talk) 14:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Sigh. It took me 5 minutes to rewrite the sentences you claimed above were copyvio and restore the 2/3 (10kb) of non-copyvio text you blanked. Btw, I cannot find the 5th sentence you claim is in our article. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Re sentence #5 (However, the sudden death of the emperor Maximilian at the very moment when that potentate...), it was inserted along with the other copyvios in Feb 2006 [3], but was removed in August 2007 by another editor. [4] I still think it may have some value as a data point, but I'm glad the earlier editor and you have fixed the problems. Regards, Novickas ( talk) 19:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Alexander Jagiellon which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RM bot 20:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Stephen Báthory. DrKiernan ( talk) 07:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Stephen Báthory of Poland → Stephen Báthory, King of Poland — Or plain Stephen Báthory, since he's the primary topic for that name. The current title "Stephen Báthory of Poland" seems to have been adopted counter to consensus (see ancient move discussion above), and certainly isn't in accordance either with the guidelines, usage or common sense - he wasn't "of Poland" (he was Hungarian), but he became King of Poland.-- Kotniski ( talk) 13:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Is he related to the mass murderer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.130.160.246 ( talk) 06:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Quick fail for B-class for WP:POLAND: lack of inline citations throughout. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Acording to Battle of Byczyna, War of the Polish Succession (1587–1588) and Sigismund III Vasa, Sigismund III Vasa was elected king of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth 19 August 1587, opposit what is written here: "The Emperor's brother Archduke Maximilian, was elected King but was contested by the Swedish Sigismund III Vasa, who defeated Maximilian at the Byczyna and succeeded as ruler of the Commonwealth." I gues the three other artickles are right, and this artickle should be corrected?
PerV ( talk) 09:31, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 22:40, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Stephen Báthory → Stefan Batory – There are two reasons for this move. First, this article was moved from Stefan Batory to Stephen Báthory in 2007 ( [5], [6]) despite a clearly inconclusive RM. I think this is sufficient ground to revert this move; if anyone wants to move it to the "Stephen Báthory" they should first prove gain consensus following proper procedures. Second, Stefan Batory was a king of Poland, and this is the Polish rendering of his name, whereas the current name is a weird mix of anglicized first name (Stephen) and Hungarian spelling of his surname (Báthory). Lastly, per WP:COMMONAME, Google Book search for ""Stephen Báthory" Poland" shows 345 hits; whereas "stefan batory" Poland about 2,700 - a rather significant difference in favor of the Polish variant. PS. Also consider the time graph of use of Stephen Bathory vs. Stefan Batory: [7] (English works only) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
The town/castle is mentioned once, as a place of the death. The king used to live there Stephen Báthory of Poland who made a royal residence here Xx236 ( talk) 06:24, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
User @ Pofka added in this edit information that Bathory was elevated as grand duke in Vilnius in 1580 receiving a sword and a cap. In reality he received from the Pope blessed sword and hat as a confirmation of his status as Fidei Defensor, as a sign of gratitude for his fights against Turks and Tatars. This is confirmed by Jerzy Besala in his biography of the king (p. 295-296). Please revert your changes as the content you added is now misleading. Cheers Marcelus ( talk) 22:01, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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Danzig succesfully defended against Bathory??!?!?? I would prefer Gdnaks name too, if we call Lithuanian city by Vilnius...[[user::szopen|szopen]] — Preceding undated comment added 08:32, 1 November 2003 Maximilian's army was defeated at Krakow, Parzymiechy, and Byczyna. He was caught and held prisoner. When released, he still was usurping title of Polish king. The 66.47 idea that he was not interested is ridiculous. If he was not interested, why he entered Poland with army in first place!! Szopen — Preceding undated comment added 14:52, 2 March 2004
I think our royal name policy needs to be adjusted with respect to kings of Poland. This guy is universally known as Stefan (or Stephen) Bathory. Similarly, Jan or John Sobieski. Stanislas Poniatowski. I'm not sure what the advantage of putting them in positions like this is. Anyone else have thoughts? john k 21:39, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Lysy, I don't see you communicating on the talk page here, either. At any rate, the Kings of Poland templates are inappropriate, as are all the Polish officeholder templates. We don't do such templates for any other officeholders, and there is no reason to do it for Polish kings. Why does having a list of all Polish kings add to the article on an individual Polish king? Why isn't a succession box sufficient? john k 15:07, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
The current policy on article series boxes is such: "For very long series, it is preferable to use incumbent series, which only show the elements of the series immediately preceding and succeeding the article." - Wikipedia:Categories,_lists,_and_series_boxes. The Kings of Poland template clearly falls under this rubrik. By removing the template, I was following current policy. At the very, very least the template needs to be broken up. Can I also note that I removed the template for every prime minister of Poland, every president of Poland, and every King of Poland after Stephen (as well as Henry III of France), and nobody objected except to this one page? john k 20:18, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
I didn't remove it from any main articles, just the articles on individual officeholders, although I did just nominate them for deletion - the information could easily be moved from the template to the main article, if the conclusion is that they shouldn't be on the individual pages. john k 02:37, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Hallo, I have a problem with the current name. Sure it fits with the practice of Polish kings currently applied. However, there happen to be 12 men called Stephen Báthory (sure not all deserve an article but there already exist two others and one is to come). Therefore I would suggest renaming this page either Stephen Báthory, King of Poland (per the naming coventions that prefers the highest-ranking title for reigning monarchs). I don't mind using either the Polish Batory or the Hungarian Báthory spelling - but I don't think that the minute difference the Polish spelling provides is enough to distinguish him from his eleven namesakes. Str1977 (smile back) 07:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I've tended to see the Hungarian spelling more frequently. john k 00:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I think that
Stephen of Poland is the better option as most monarchs are styled with just heir regnal name and the country of rule. Adding in King of Poland is slightly redundant and inconsistent with most of the monarchs within wikipedia's mainspace.
–
Whale
y
land (
Talk •
Contributions )
17:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.
Regarding usage one of the crowns, due to naming convention, we should take into account that it is not set in stone. In other hand I would not oppose to Báthory usage. M.K. 19:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
M.K.'s comments about the subject's importance in other countries does not tally with our naming conventions. Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom is also queen of many other countries, for example. All the remaining contributors seem to be happy with the title Stephen Báthory of Poland. This article has been renamed from Stefan Batory to Stephen Báthory of Poland as the result of a move request. -- Stemonitis 14:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Stephen Báthory of Poland is awful. When you have "Name Ordinal of Country", it is clear that a monarch is being referred to. "Firstname Surname of Country" is just weird. john k ( talk) 22:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Could an editor address the following material, which appears to be a copyvio. Source here refers to the Wayback machine version as of Jan 17, 2006 [1]. That version states Copyright ©2005 Soylent Communications. The sentences were all inserted on Feb 3 2006 [2].
1) Source: István Báthory spent his early years at the court of the emperor Ferdinand, subsequently attached himself to Janos Zapolya, and won equal renown as a valiant lord-marcher, and as a skilful diplomat at the imperial court.
2) Source: The Pearl of Poland", encouraged by her immense wealth, and almost impregnable fortifications, as well as by the secret support of Denmark and the emperor, had shut her gates against the new monarch.
3) Source: Two campaigns of wearing marches, and still more exhausting sieges ensued, in which Báthory, although repeatedly hampered by the parsimony of the Diet, was uniformly successful, his skilful diplomacy at the same time allaying the suspicions of the Porte and the emperor.
4) Source: But the king, despite the murmurs of his own officers, and the protestations of the papal nuncio, Possevino, whom the curia, deluded by the mirage of a union of the churches, had sent expressly from Rome to mediate between the tsar and the king of Poland, closely besieged the city throughout a winter of arctic severity...
5) Source: At first his position was extremely difficult; but the sudden death of the emperor Maximilian at the very moment when that potentate, in league with the Muscovite, was about to invade Poland, completely changed the face of things, and though Stephen's distrust of the Habsburgs remained invincible, he consented at last to enter into a defensive alliance with the empire which was carried through by the papal nuncio on his return to Rome in 1578.
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: http://www.nndb.com/people/091/000097797/. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. -- Novickas ( talk) 14:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Sigh. It took me 5 minutes to rewrite the sentences you claimed above were copyvio and restore the 2/3 (10kb) of non-copyvio text you blanked. Btw, I cannot find the 5th sentence you claim is in our article. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Re sentence #5 (However, the sudden death of the emperor Maximilian at the very moment when that potentate...), it was inserted along with the other copyvios in Feb 2006 [3], but was removed in August 2007 by another editor. [4] I still think it may have some value as a data point, but I'm glad the earlier editor and you have fixed the problems. Regards, Novickas ( talk) 19:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Alexander Jagiellon which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RM bot 20:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Stephen Báthory. DrKiernan ( talk) 07:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Stephen Báthory of Poland → Stephen Báthory, King of Poland — Or plain Stephen Báthory, since he's the primary topic for that name. The current title "Stephen Báthory of Poland" seems to have been adopted counter to consensus (see ancient move discussion above), and certainly isn't in accordance either with the guidelines, usage or common sense - he wasn't "of Poland" (he was Hungarian), but he became King of Poland.-- Kotniski ( talk) 13:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Is he related to the mass murderer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.130.160.246 ( talk) 06:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Quick fail for B-class for WP:POLAND: lack of inline citations throughout. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Acording to Battle of Byczyna, War of the Polish Succession (1587–1588) and Sigismund III Vasa, Sigismund III Vasa was elected king of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth 19 August 1587, opposit what is written here: "The Emperor's brother Archduke Maximilian, was elected King but was contested by the Swedish Sigismund III Vasa, who defeated Maximilian at the Byczyna and succeeded as ruler of the Commonwealth." I gues the three other artickles are right, and this artickle should be corrected?
PerV ( talk) 09:31, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 22:40, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Stephen Báthory → Stefan Batory – There are two reasons for this move. First, this article was moved from Stefan Batory to Stephen Báthory in 2007 ( [5], [6]) despite a clearly inconclusive RM. I think this is sufficient ground to revert this move; if anyone wants to move it to the "Stephen Báthory" they should first prove gain consensus following proper procedures. Second, Stefan Batory was a king of Poland, and this is the Polish rendering of his name, whereas the current name is a weird mix of anglicized first name (Stephen) and Hungarian spelling of his surname (Báthory). Lastly, per WP:COMMONAME, Google Book search for ""Stephen Báthory" Poland" shows 345 hits; whereas "stefan batory" Poland about 2,700 - a rather significant difference in favor of the Polish variant. PS. Also consider the time graph of use of Stephen Bathory vs. Stefan Batory: [7] (English works only) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
The town/castle is mentioned once, as a place of the death. The king used to live there Stephen Báthory of Poland who made a royal residence here Xx236 ( talk) 06:24, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
User @ Pofka added in this edit information that Bathory was elevated as grand duke in Vilnius in 1580 receiving a sword and a cap. In reality he received from the Pope blessed sword and hat as a confirmation of his status as Fidei Defensor, as a sign of gratitude for his fights against Turks and Tatars. This is confirmed by Jerzy Besala in his biography of the king (p. 295-296). Please revert your changes as the content you added is now misleading. Cheers Marcelus ( talk) 22:01, 4 November 2023 (UTC)