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The title of the film is unknown (to me) in English. If this film's English-language title is found in a reliable source then it can be added, but please add a citation to a reliable source. I can't find this film on the BBFC website: [1], [2] Cinemascape usually gets the English-language title right, but they have nothing: [3]. If an English title is found, the article should be renamed to the English title and the Japanese title will become a footnote. At the moment, in the absence of an English title, the Japanese language title is the one to use. It's possible the film was never released outside Japan. I don't remember why the title doesn't have a macron, but in this case it should have had one. JoshuSasori ( talk) 00:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm not used to this form of discussion and cannot see the point. Fortunately I was able to locate the English title in a reliable source. The article is now moved to where it should be and I would like to suggest that the effort put into these talking pages be spent on productive editing. Thanks. JoshuSasori ( talk) 17:50, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Please don't add links for common words like Japan and please do not use 1978 in film these are completely not acceptable in new articles and Lugnuts will be very annoyed if you make more work for him. This is partly explained at WP:OVERLINK and for the rest can you go and ask User:Lugnuts why we do not use 1978 in film any more, he can explain it. Brilliant, thanks. JoshuSasori ( talk) 16:06, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
The user who created the page apparently has WP:OWN issues, and every edit I make to the article has been reverted or severely trimmed. I tried to insert an English translation of the title in accordance with WP:NCF, and was reverted. The user insisted that the film does not have an official English title. This was never disputed, and my edit clearly did not claim that the translation was "official". When I cited the specific policy and re-reverted, I was reverted again, and the exact same argument was made. I never claimed that the translation was an "official English title". After another brief to-fro over whether the opening sentence should mention that the film is Japanese, I received a 3RR warning on my talk page. This seems unfair, since the other user has reverted me just as much. When I tried to ask him about this on his talk page, he ignored me and quoted an Elvis Presley song. I am not sure if he legitimately thinks the article should not mention that the film is Japanese or if he just considers the article to be his property and is reverting me just because, but can I get some input here? elvenscout742 ( talk) 16:35, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
This is not an easter egg. No one who knows who Chikamatsu was would not understand what the link is linking to. This clearly does not violate the guideline at WP:EASTEREGG. I can't help but thinking that all of this micromanaging of everything I write on any page JoshuSasori has ever edited is an assumption of bad faith. I chose to word my Chikamatsu reference in a culturally sensitive, reasonable manner. No one would write "Romeo and Juliet" is a film based on the William Shakespeare play of the same name." -- why should this be any different? elvenscout742 ( talk) 05:25, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Maybe the two primary editors should refrain from reverting each other's edits, no matter how mistaken or misguided they seem. Boneyard90 ( talk) 20:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. -- BDD ( talk) 21:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
Double Suicide of Sonezaki → Sonezaki Shinjū (1978 film) – {{{2}}} elvenscout742 ( talk) 04:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC) Okay, for some reason reasoning disappeared when I posted this request. Last time I use the template.
Basically, this film has never been officially released under its current title. It was originally created under the proposed new title, but later moved based on the English translation of the title mentioned in one NY Times review. WP:NCF doesn't say anything about naming articles on foreign films based on "reliable sources", and in fact the only official title is Sonezaki Shinjū. Additionally, a GBooks search for the current title indicates that while it is often used to refer to the film, it also frequently refers to the far better-known Chikamatsu play of the same name, so whether or not my proposed title is acceptable, a disambiguator such as Double Suicide of Sonezaki (film) or Double Suicide of Sonezaki (1978 film) needs to be added. elvenscout742 ( talk) 05:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.The result of the move request was: Moved. — ΛΧΣ 21 21:48, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Double Suicide of Sonezaki → The Love Suicides at Sonezaki (1978 film) – Putting "Masumura + Sonezaki" into Google Books produces some variance in magazines to translate the film, but use in books is generally consistent with Chikamatsu Monzaemon's original 1703 play The Love Suicides at Sonezaki and therefore "The Love Suicides at Sonezaki" predominates for Masumara's film too. The 1703 play is the WP:PRIMARY once a consistent title is given to the film, and "1978" is required because of The Love Suicides at Sonezaki (1981 puppet film). In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:33, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
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The title of the film is unknown (to me) in English. If this film's English-language title is found in a reliable source then it can be added, but please add a citation to a reliable source. I can't find this film on the BBFC website: [1], [2] Cinemascape usually gets the English-language title right, but they have nothing: [3]. If an English title is found, the article should be renamed to the English title and the Japanese title will become a footnote. At the moment, in the absence of an English title, the Japanese language title is the one to use. It's possible the film was never released outside Japan. I don't remember why the title doesn't have a macron, but in this case it should have had one. JoshuSasori ( talk) 00:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm not used to this form of discussion and cannot see the point. Fortunately I was able to locate the English title in a reliable source. The article is now moved to where it should be and I would like to suggest that the effort put into these talking pages be spent on productive editing. Thanks. JoshuSasori ( talk) 17:50, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Please don't add links for common words like Japan and please do not use 1978 in film these are completely not acceptable in new articles and Lugnuts will be very annoyed if you make more work for him. This is partly explained at WP:OVERLINK and for the rest can you go and ask User:Lugnuts why we do not use 1978 in film any more, he can explain it. Brilliant, thanks. JoshuSasori ( talk) 16:06, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
The user who created the page apparently has WP:OWN issues, and every edit I make to the article has been reverted or severely trimmed. I tried to insert an English translation of the title in accordance with WP:NCF, and was reverted. The user insisted that the film does not have an official English title. This was never disputed, and my edit clearly did not claim that the translation was "official". When I cited the specific policy and re-reverted, I was reverted again, and the exact same argument was made. I never claimed that the translation was an "official English title". After another brief to-fro over whether the opening sentence should mention that the film is Japanese, I received a 3RR warning on my talk page. This seems unfair, since the other user has reverted me just as much. When I tried to ask him about this on his talk page, he ignored me and quoted an Elvis Presley song. I am not sure if he legitimately thinks the article should not mention that the film is Japanese or if he just considers the article to be his property and is reverting me just because, but can I get some input here? elvenscout742 ( talk) 16:35, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
This is not an easter egg. No one who knows who Chikamatsu was would not understand what the link is linking to. This clearly does not violate the guideline at WP:EASTEREGG. I can't help but thinking that all of this micromanaging of everything I write on any page JoshuSasori has ever edited is an assumption of bad faith. I chose to word my Chikamatsu reference in a culturally sensitive, reasonable manner. No one would write "Romeo and Juliet" is a film based on the William Shakespeare play of the same name." -- why should this be any different? elvenscout742 ( talk) 05:25, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Maybe the two primary editors should refrain from reverting each other's edits, no matter how mistaken or misguided they seem. Boneyard90 ( talk) 20:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. -- BDD ( talk) 21:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
Double Suicide of Sonezaki → Sonezaki Shinjū (1978 film) – {{{2}}} elvenscout742 ( talk) 04:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC) Okay, for some reason reasoning disappeared when I posted this request. Last time I use the template.
Basically, this film has never been officially released under its current title. It was originally created under the proposed new title, but later moved based on the English translation of the title mentioned in one NY Times review. WP:NCF doesn't say anything about naming articles on foreign films based on "reliable sources", and in fact the only official title is Sonezaki Shinjū. Additionally, a GBooks search for the current title indicates that while it is often used to refer to the film, it also frequently refers to the far better-known Chikamatsu play of the same name, so whether or not my proposed title is acceptable, a disambiguator such as Double Suicide of Sonezaki (film) or Double Suicide of Sonezaki (1978 film) needs to be added. elvenscout742 ( talk) 05:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.The result of the move request was: Moved. — ΛΧΣ 21 21:48, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Double Suicide of Sonezaki → The Love Suicides at Sonezaki (1978 film) – Putting "Masumura + Sonezaki" into Google Books produces some variance in magazines to translate the film, but use in books is generally consistent with Chikamatsu Monzaemon's original 1703 play The Love Suicides at Sonezaki and therefore "The Love Suicides at Sonezaki" predominates for Masumara's film too. The 1703 play is the WP:PRIMARY once a consistent title is given to the film, and "1978" is required because of The Love Suicides at Sonezaki (1981 puppet film). In ictu oculi ( talk) 01:33, 24 February 2013 (UTC)