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Hmm. This needs disambiguastion, don't you think? Przepla 22:10, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
What does "Niezależny Samorządny Związek Zawodowy Solidarność" mean precisely? A-giau 11:14, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I deleted a section on Anti-Semitism, inserted by some anon user. While I agree that Anti-Semitism is an important issue in many cases, the case of Solidarity is not one of them. Presenting the views of two former members who are morons and anti-Semites as if they were spokespeople for the entire, once 4-million strong organization, is a fishy thing. Halibu tt 09:29, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
I want to try to find a compromise about this issue. I think, dear friend, that deleting the whole section is not the best thing to do, because it was clearly said at the beginning of the article that Solidarnosc is not an antisemitic organization but some of its members, including Lech Walesa, made antisemitic statements ( Walesa also apologized for it). But I agree with you that calling the section "Anti-semitism" can give a wrong idea of what is Solidarnosc, that's why I insered again the text but calling the section "Polemics about antisemitic claims". I think this can be a good compromise, no? Anyway, it's always better to add informations then to delete them. For example, to balance the section you could say that many Jewish intellectuals were members of Solidarnosc. Best regards!
( Virgilio 12:10, 16 September 2005 (UTC))
Sorry dear Halibutt, but I don't agree with you. And in my opinion the comparison you made with United Nations is not a good one, beacuse it never happened for example that Kofi Annan made an antisemitic statement but, on the contrary, it is happened that Lech Walesa, the "flag" of Solidarnosc, said an antisemitic bullshit and then he also apologized for it. That's why I think the presence of a section about Antisemitism has a certain importance and telling you honestly reading texts written by Solidarnosc members unfortuntanetely it happens to me to find things like "Jewish bankers control the world" ( maybe not written so explicitely but still..). But I really don't want to start an "edit war", so I'm not going on it anymore leaving the task to who is interested in this section, just I think it's discouraging that sometimes the "myth" is stronger than the truth. My feeling is that maybe when one touches the "flags" it's always a problem. What a pity.
Best regards!
( Virgilio 13:04, 16 September 2005 (UTC))
About Walesa I think it's a good idea to write about his non-PC statement in the article about him and I think I'll do. Your comparison with the UN was wrong not because of the fact that there you can't find antisemites ( I bet there were and there are plenty of them ), but because the man who represent UN never said antisemitic statement and, on the contrary, the man who represented Solidarnosc did. This is the difference! I make you an example. In Italy the biggest trade union is CGIL and between the members of CGIL, even if it is a leftist sindacate, for sure there will be some racist person because, as you rightly said before, a trade union unites people of all backgrounds, but the leader of CGIL, Guglielmo Epifani, never said a racist statement in his life and I never heard a prominent member of CGIL saying a racist word. I think that if a famous member of CGIL would say a racist statement he would be expelled from the union. In the case of Solidarnosc this happened quite often between notorious members like Jankowski. This is what I meant and this is the reason why I thought it was important to write this in the article. But I think that for someone Solidarnosc is "sacred" and they don't want to see the word "antisemitism" in the article. I understand but I don't agree, sorry. Best regards! ( Virgilio 20:18, 16 September 2005 (UTC))
Especially that the only non-PC remarks by him I know come from the times of his presidency and not from the times when he was the head of the trade union.
Not exactly my friend. Walesa's statement about the fact he is "100% pole with no Jewish blood" was made a bit before he became president, to be more precise it was during the electoral campaign for 1990 elections. Also others of his non-PC remarks were claimed before his presidency. For more details see [1]. Just to make a punctualization ;) Best Regards! ( Virgilio 21:16, 16 September 2005 (UTC))
I think you're right. Ok, for me the discussion can be closed here. Wish you all a nice weekend;) Best regards ( Virgilio 12:58, 17 September 2005 (UTC))
Sorry to re-open the debate, but there remains a few issues. Whether there is a need to differentiate between personal opinion and the public statements? Yes. How many left-wing/trade union members make right-wing/antisemitic remarks? Not many. Could such remarks influenced Solidarity members, so that members felt safe using antisemitic opinions? Possible. Could such comments have been aimed at winning the vote of right-wing members? Possible. Is the issue of antisemitic remarks relevant within an article on left-wing/trade unions issues? Totally! 92.16.159.244 ( talk) 17:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
It is now fully well known that polish Solidarity was controlled by JPII and the Vatican and was financed by the CIA with money flowing through the Banco Ambrosiana bank of the Vatican. The head of that bank was infamously assassinated in a made-up suicide plot on a bridge because he was concerned that the Vatican's espionage and clandestine diversion actitity against a souvereign state threatens the basic morals and continued existence of the roman catholic church and so he was about to disclose the info. But he did not have the time to do so, as he was assassinated.
This should be clearly addressed in the article, since it shows that Solidarity was not a honest popular movement, but something pre-organized, a puppet hand controlled from the west. 195.70.48.242 11:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
It is now 2014 and no one here appears daring enough to ask the question of whether Solidarity was an honest popular movement/trade union - or something puppet-controlled from the west? 92.16.159.244 ( talk) 17:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
It should be noted that the reason for food crisis in Poland had nothing to do with communism or socialism. To the contrary, Poland was the only place in the soviet block, where kolhoz-es and sovkhoz-es (people-owned and state-owned agricultural production associations) were NOT forcibly created.
In fact, most land in Poland was continously owned by individual small peasants, who only had a few acres per capita. Because of this they did not have the capital to buy and use tractors and other machinery or the use of advanced fertilizers, etc. They plowed with horses and oxes, like in the third world countries. Because the polish state had little agricultural land, advanced production methods could not be introduced from upside down.
All these peasants were very catholic and the church indoctrinated them to be very hostile to any kind of assocication, even voluntary and any progress in general. The church discouraged them and their children from education since they may be infested with atheist and worldly thoughts. So they remained dumb and didn't even take agricultural-specific secondary school or college. Due to their low standards of methods and lack of specialist knowledge and general void of tools, they were unable to produce sufficient volumes of crop and meat.
So the very problem what made the catholic church's facet movement "Solidarity" popular, the protest against continued food crisis and the food stamp necessity, was in fact created by the very same catholicism, which kept peasants dumbs and hostile to progress.
In many other estern bloc countries, including Hungary, where kolhoz movement (locally called "mgtsz") was forced on the people, agricultural production was good through the 1970's and 1980's and a lot of export was done and yet, there wasn't any food shortage in Hungary. We even had banana in the shops thanks to Kadar's politics. In Poland, tomato soup was made by pouring boiling water into red-coloured dishes... according to the popular and very true joke.
The polish agricultural situation was similar to what we see with the EU in France today, that catholic small peasants become the obstacle to economic progress and oft cause of unrest, but France has a much better situation because it is richer and because they have placed big controls on the catholic worldly power since 1905.
As much as the polish and hungarian people are close historical friends, I must say that the 1980's polish crisis was caused by the polish people (esp. the peasants) themselves and the retrograd church and should not be blamed mainly on communist repression. I am really afraid for Poland's future, because they are now even more firmly in the fist of the Vatican and the popes use them for their own aims, especially russophobia and anti-orthodoxia, which can only end bad for the polish people due to the size comparison of the two countries.
Regards: Tamas Feher from Hungary <etomcat@freemail.hu> 195.70.48.242 11:37, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
What do you think of moving this to Solidarność and moving Solidarity (sociology) here?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I agree with the first post. The actual name of the party isn't even "Solidarity", but "Solidarność". I came here looking for the Social_solidarity article and found instead something I had never heard about in my life, and IMHO, something most people who have nothing to do with Poland are likely not to know or care about. I believe this article should be located in Solidarność, or Solidarnosc, or even both! and Social_solidarity moved here. 114.180.121.194 ( talk) 14:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree also. I was out for Solidarity (sociology), but expected Solidarity (literal meaning). This article could move to Solidarność or Solidarity (political movement, Poland). The current topic is too specialized to be of interest for most readers — not uninteresting, but of too little consequence to the "random solidarity seeker". ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 07:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I added the Union infobox. It is has been created as part of WikiProject Organized Labour. This is the first article it has been added to, but as Solidarity is used for the example at {{ Infobox Union}} it seemed appropriate. Please feel free to comment on both the content fields and style of the infobox on the template disscusion page. There is a (fairly arbitrary) date of March 1st as an aim for a more general usage of this infobox, and any input would be appreciated. Cheers. -- Bookandcoffee 23:29, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Those are my goals for this article. To be ready for PR, three things are necessary:
Comments and help appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I just realized that the article is more of History of Solidarity then Solidarity: we need to expand on struture, influence and other non-history issue.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Comments?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I converted the introduction to the <ref> format. I'll come back and work on the rest of the article in a few days if no one is too opposed to the change.-- Bookandcoffee 18:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
As I have splitted most of the content to History of Solidarity, I don't think this article can be viewed as GA any longer, I am removing the GA notice and listing History... for GA.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
We need more information about what Solidarność is up to at the moment. -- LakeHMM 23:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
According to the main text: "Since 1989 Solidarity has become a more traditional trade union, and had relatively little impact on the political scene of Poland in the early 1990s. A political arm founded in 1996 as Solidarity Electoral Action (AWS) won the parliamentary election in 1997, but lost the following 2001 election. Currently, as a political party Solidarity has little influence on modern Polish politics."
In the end, despite claims of it being some kind of neo-trade union, Solidarity has had little impact in the work-place - and has even less influence within the nation. 92.16.159.244 ( talk) 15:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
The first two paragraphs are repeated essentially verbatim in the next two sections. At least one set should be deleted or rewritten.
Repeating paragraph has been deleted from the introduction section. Content was identical with influence abroad. Do not reintroduce unless expanding content
198.96.180.245 19:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
All of the information contained in this page can be found within the more comprehensive History of Solidarity page. I propose deleting this page and redirecting History of Solidarity to Solidarity -- SianMycock 19:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
how about mention of Solidarnosc, the shipyard etc in the Gunter Grass novel The Rat? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.189.14.2 ( talk) 16:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
i wonder who put into furter reading a book of kaminski about prisoners, what have nothing to do with solidarity. i am going to remove it -- 37uk ( talk) 21:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
a book of pope has nothing about solidarity either.-- 37uk ( talk) 21:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC) it should be rather included in Social solidarity -- 37uk ( talk) 21:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I have a question about the exact correct translation of the full name of Solidarity/Solidarność. Near the top of this talk page an editor asked: What does "Niezależny Samorządny Związek Zawodowy Solidarność" mean precisely? The reply was: The Independent and Self-Governing Trade Union ‘Solidarność’.
What I would like to know is whether the English word "Trade" is a literal, exact translation of the Polish word. In other words, in Poland, are workers' unions referred to as "trade unions" or as "labor unions"? (Or is that distinction even made?) Cgingold ( talk) 15:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
More at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_December_9#Category:Solidarity.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
The "ć" is pronounced t̠͡ɕ, not tɕ in the name of the trade union (and there is a difference between them). See the article about polish phonology if you don't believe. And besides I'm a Pole, so I know it well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.184.202.152 ( talk) 09:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
What does Jesień Ludów mean literally? I know Jesień is autumn (fall), but can't figure out the rest of the phrase, given my very slight acquaintance with Polish.
And, is it somehow analagous to the German die Wende, referring to the great change after 1989?
Sca ( talk) 22:52, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 12:15, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Solidarity (Polish trade union) → Solidarność – This is the union's real and universally recognized name. Charles Essie ( talk) 22:17, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I am removing Category:Solidarity (Polish union movement) from Category:Polish anti-communists as Solidarity was not anti-communist. Some of its members were, but it was not the Union's official policy, particularly not in the beginning. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:40, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
You appear to have little understanding of the true reason/s Solidarity was created. For not only is it a western-backed 'trade union', but it is also anti-communist. Consider how "Lech Wałęsa and others formed a broad anti-Soviet social movement ranging from people associated with the Catholic Church". Reading the whole text, is it not clear that the Category:'Polish anti-communists' is the correct one? 92.16.159.244 ( talk) 15:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
We need to add information supported by reliable that it was funded by foreign powers-including CIA.For example Time openly wrote that part of the funds of the Solidarity movement came from CIA accounts. Money for the banned union came from CIA funds, the National Endowment for Democracy, secret accounts in the Vatican and Western trade unions.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 21:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC) Other sources: [7], [8]. I also remember a BBC document about this organization where former CIA administrator mentioned that Solidarity costed USA as much as funds diverted to Afghanistan.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 21:17, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline ( talk) 11:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Solidarity (Polish trade union) → Solidarity (Poland) – Rename per WP:PRECISION. The current title is more specific than nessacary. Charles Essie ( talk) 13:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Disruptive editing – FYI, a hopping IP has been repeatedly inserting ( WP:Fringe) claims using a non- WP:RS. [9]. Act on it, if you are an admin. Zezen ( talk) 06:51, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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There seems to be an editor, namely Openlydialectic, who rejects the fact that the CIA supported Solidarity, contrary to factual history. This editor keeps deleting a section concerning this information from the article. His reasons cited are that the source provided are "soviet-style Russian propaganda." This is wholly obnoxious, as one of the main sources from the section is from the CIA website itself! Openlydialectic has refused to give any intelligible reason for his reverts, so I am keeping the section. If anyone sees further reverts by this editor, please report him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:85:C102:EEB3:3D7E:73B0:7E6A:350E ( talk) 22:44, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
the current page is missing a reference, so the whole article is messed up.
This is all visible: Cite error: A [1] (see the help page). (680,000 in 2010)[1] |full_name = Independent Self-governing Trade Union "Solidarity" |native_name = Niezależny Samorządny Związek Zawodowy "Solidarność" |image = Solidarity (Polish trade union) (logo).png |caption = |founded = 17 September 1980; 38 years ago[2] |country = Poland |affiliation = ITUC, ETUC, TUAC |office = Gdańsk, Poland |website = Solidarnosc.org.pl (in English) |footnotes = |current = |head = |dissolved_date = |dissolved_state = Merged into |merged_into = |people = Anna Walentynowicz, Lech Wałęsa }}
at the top of the article, and it shouldn't be — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.242.200.33
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References
The CIA covert support section begins, "Unlike the Carter Administration, the Reagan policies supported the Solidarity movement in Poland...". This appears to imply that the Carter Administration did not support the Solidarity movement. I see no evidence in this article or its sources for such an implication. Can this be supported or should it be removed? -- Pemilligan ( talk) 20:54, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Done. -- Pemilligan ( talk) 16:34, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
When highlighting over the word Solidarity when in refence to the Solidarity (Polish trade union) the logo of the Warsaw Pact. So can anyone fix this?
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I'm currently writing a paper on this for a history course, and was startled to find that there's nothing here about it. I've read the book & the author gave a talk at my college - notably, it seems all the CIA provided was a shitload of money, technical support for radio/TV broadcasts, and printing equipment and duplicator machines. QRHELPFUL was run out of the Paris CIA office & materials were transported into Poland through "Ratlines" so that the Polish government wasn't ever able to catch the smoking gun of a CIA officer meeting with a Solidarity member.
Sources: Article: https://www.csis.org/analysis/going-offensive-us-strategy-combat-russian-information-warfare Book: A Covert Action - Reagan, The CIA, And The Cold War Struggle In Poland by Seth G. Jones - https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393247008 tweet from the us embassy in Poland about it. https://twitter.com/PolishEmbassyUS/status/1130880287154561024?s=20&t=gqGPgesJiydJhoIHVxr_Ag
I should be writing my essay, so I'm not going to add to the page (especially as I have no experience in that.) Someone should add it, though. Syrtis-m ( talk) 02:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
What's with the quotes around the „name”? Can they be removed? Clarityfiend ( talk) 08:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
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Hmm. This needs disambiguastion, don't you think? Przepla 22:10, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
What does "Niezależny Samorządny Związek Zawodowy Solidarność" mean precisely? A-giau 11:14, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I deleted a section on Anti-Semitism, inserted by some anon user. While I agree that Anti-Semitism is an important issue in many cases, the case of Solidarity is not one of them. Presenting the views of two former members who are morons and anti-Semites as if they were spokespeople for the entire, once 4-million strong organization, is a fishy thing. Halibu tt 09:29, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
I want to try to find a compromise about this issue. I think, dear friend, that deleting the whole section is not the best thing to do, because it was clearly said at the beginning of the article that Solidarnosc is not an antisemitic organization but some of its members, including Lech Walesa, made antisemitic statements ( Walesa also apologized for it). But I agree with you that calling the section "Anti-semitism" can give a wrong idea of what is Solidarnosc, that's why I insered again the text but calling the section "Polemics about antisemitic claims". I think this can be a good compromise, no? Anyway, it's always better to add informations then to delete them. For example, to balance the section you could say that many Jewish intellectuals were members of Solidarnosc. Best regards!
( Virgilio 12:10, 16 September 2005 (UTC))
Sorry dear Halibutt, but I don't agree with you. And in my opinion the comparison you made with United Nations is not a good one, beacuse it never happened for example that Kofi Annan made an antisemitic statement but, on the contrary, it is happened that Lech Walesa, the "flag" of Solidarnosc, said an antisemitic bullshit and then he also apologized for it. That's why I think the presence of a section about Antisemitism has a certain importance and telling you honestly reading texts written by Solidarnosc members unfortuntanetely it happens to me to find things like "Jewish bankers control the world" ( maybe not written so explicitely but still..). But I really don't want to start an "edit war", so I'm not going on it anymore leaving the task to who is interested in this section, just I think it's discouraging that sometimes the "myth" is stronger than the truth. My feeling is that maybe when one touches the "flags" it's always a problem. What a pity.
Best regards!
( Virgilio 13:04, 16 September 2005 (UTC))
About Walesa I think it's a good idea to write about his non-PC statement in the article about him and I think I'll do. Your comparison with the UN was wrong not because of the fact that there you can't find antisemites ( I bet there were and there are plenty of them ), but because the man who represent UN never said antisemitic statement and, on the contrary, the man who represented Solidarnosc did. This is the difference! I make you an example. In Italy the biggest trade union is CGIL and between the members of CGIL, even if it is a leftist sindacate, for sure there will be some racist person because, as you rightly said before, a trade union unites people of all backgrounds, but the leader of CGIL, Guglielmo Epifani, never said a racist statement in his life and I never heard a prominent member of CGIL saying a racist word. I think that if a famous member of CGIL would say a racist statement he would be expelled from the union. In the case of Solidarnosc this happened quite often between notorious members like Jankowski. This is what I meant and this is the reason why I thought it was important to write this in the article. But I think that for someone Solidarnosc is "sacred" and they don't want to see the word "antisemitism" in the article. I understand but I don't agree, sorry. Best regards! ( Virgilio 20:18, 16 September 2005 (UTC))
Especially that the only non-PC remarks by him I know come from the times of his presidency and not from the times when he was the head of the trade union.
Not exactly my friend. Walesa's statement about the fact he is "100% pole with no Jewish blood" was made a bit before he became president, to be more precise it was during the electoral campaign for 1990 elections. Also others of his non-PC remarks were claimed before his presidency. For more details see [1]. Just to make a punctualization ;) Best Regards! ( Virgilio 21:16, 16 September 2005 (UTC))
I think you're right. Ok, for me the discussion can be closed here. Wish you all a nice weekend;) Best regards ( Virgilio 12:58, 17 September 2005 (UTC))
Sorry to re-open the debate, but there remains a few issues. Whether there is a need to differentiate between personal opinion and the public statements? Yes. How many left-wing/trade union members make right-wing/antisemitic remarks? Not many. Could such remarks influenced Solidarity members, so that members felt safe using antisemitic opinions? Possible. Could such comments have been aimed at winning the vote of right-wing members? Possible. Is the issue of antisemitic remarks relevant within an article on left-wing/trade unions issues? Totally! 92.16.159.244 ( talk) 17:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
It is now fully well known that polish Solidarity was controlled by JPII and the Vatican and was financed by the CIA with money flowing through the Banco Ambrosiana bank of the Vatican. The head of that bank was infamously assassinated in a made-up suicide plot on a bridge because he was concerned that the Vatican's espionage and clandestine diversion actitity against a souvereign state threatens the basic morals and continued existence of the roman catholic church and so he was about to disclose the info. But he did not have the time to do so, as he was assassinated.
This should be clearly addressed in the article, since it shows that Solidarity was not a honest popular movement, but something pre-organized, a puppet hand controlled from the west. 195.70.48.242 11:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
It is now 2014 and no one here appears daring enough to ask the question of whether Solidarity was an honest popular movement/trade union - or something puppet-controlled from the west? 92.16.159.244 ( talk) 17:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
It should be noted that the reason for food crisis in Poland had nothing to do with communism or socialism. To the contrary, Poland was the only place in the soviet block, where kolhoz-es and sovkhoz-es (people-owned and state-owned agricultural production associations) were NOT forcibly created.
In fact, most land in Poland was continously owned by individual small peasants, who only had a few acres per capita. Because of this they did not have the capital to buy and use tractors and other machinery or the use of advanced fertilizers, etc. They plowed with horses and oxes, like in the third world countries. Because the polish state had little agricultural land, advanced production methods could not be introduced from upside down.
All these peasants were very catholic and the church indoctrinated them to be very hostile to any kind of assocication, even voluntary and any progress in general. The church discouraged them and their children from education since they may be infested with atheist and worldly thoughts. So they remained dumb and didn't even take agricultural-specific secondary school or college. Due to their low standards of methods and lack of specialist knowledge and general void of tools, they were unable to produce sufficient volumes of crop and meat.
So the very problem what made the catholic church's facet movement "Solidarity" popular, the protest against continued food crisis and the food stamp necessity, was in fact created by the very same catholicism, which kept peasants dumbs and hostile to progress.
In many other estern bloc countries, including Hungary, where kolhoz movement (locally called "mgtsz") was forced on the people, agricultural production was good through the 1970's and 1980's and a lot of export was done and yet, there wasn't any food shortage in Hungary. We even had banana in the shops thanks to Kadar's politics. In Poland, tomato soup was made by pouring boiling water into red-coloured dishes... according to the popular and very true joke.
The polish agricultural situation was similar to what we see with the EU in France today, that catholic small peasants become the obstacle to economic progress and oft cause of unrest, but France has a much better situation because it is richer and because they have placed big controls on the catholic worldly power since 1905.
As much as the polish and hungarian people are close historical friends, I must say that the 1980's polish crisis was caused by the polish people (esp. the peasants) themselves and the retrograd church and should not be blamed mainly on communist repression. I am really afraid for Poland's future, because they are now even more firmly in the fist of the Vatican and the popes use them for their own aims, especially russophobia and anti-orthodoxia, which can only end bad for the polish people due to the size comparison of the two countries.
Regards: Tamas Feher from Hungary <etomcat@freemail.hu> 195.70.48.242 11:37, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
What do you think of moving this to Solidarność and moving Solidarity (sociology) here?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I agree with the first post. The actual name of the party isn't even "Solidarity", but "Solidarność". I came here looking for the Social_solidarity article and found instead something I had never heard about in my life, and IMHO, something most people who have nothing to do with Poland are likely not to know or care about. I believe this article should be located in Solidarność, or Solidarnosc, or even both! and Social_solidarity moved here. 114.180.121.194 ( talk) 14:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree also. I was out for Solidarity (sociology), but expected Solidarity (literal meaning). This article could move to Solidarność or Solidarity (political movement, Poland). The current topic is too specialized to be of interest for most readers — not uninteresting, but of too little consequence to the "random solidarity seeker". ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 07:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I added the Union infobox. It is has been created as part of WikiProject Organized Labour. This is the first article it has been added to, but as Solidarity is used for the example at {{ Infobox Union}} it seemed appropriate. Please feel free to comment on both the content fields and style of the infobox on the template disscusion page. There is a (fairly arbitrary) date of March 1st as an aim for a more general usage of this infobox, and any input would be appreciated. Cheers. -- Bookandcoffee 23:29, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Those are my goals for this article. To be ready for PR, three things are necessary:
Comments and help appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I just realized that the article is more of History of Solidarity then Solidarity: we need to expand on struture, influence and other non-history issue.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Comments?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I converted the introduction to the <ref> format. I'll come back and work on the rest of the article in a few days if no one is too opposed to the change.-- Bookandcoffee 18:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
As I have splitted most of the content to History of Solidarity, I don't think this article can be viewed as GA any longer, I am removing the GA notice and listing History... for GA.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
We need more information about what Solidarność is up to at the moment. -- LakeHMM 23:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
According to the main text: "Since 1989 Solidarity has become a more traditional trade union, and had relatively little impact on the political scene of Poland in the early 1990s. A political arm founded in 1996 as Solidarity Electoral Action (AWS) won the parliamentary election in 1997, but lost the following 2001 election. Currently, as a political party Solidarity has little influence on modern Polish politics."
In the end, despite claims of it being some kind of neo-trade union, Solidarity has had little impact in the work-place - and has even less influence within the nation. 92.16.159.244 ( talk) 15:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
The first two paragraphs are repeated essentially verbatim in the next two sections. At least one set should be deleted or rewritten.
Repeating paragraph has been deleted from the introduction section. Content was identical with influence abroad. Do not reintroduce unless expanding content
198.96.180.245 19:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
All of the information contained in this page can be found within the more comprehensive History of Solidarity page. I propose deleting this page and redirecting History of Solidarity to Solidarity -- SianMycock 19:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
how about mention of Solidarnosc, the shipyard etc in the Gunter Grass novel The Rat? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.189.14.2 ( talk) 16:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
i wonder who put into furter reading a book of kaminski about prisoners, what have nothing to do with solidarity. i am going to remove it -- 37uk ( talk) 21:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
a book of pope has nothing about solidarity either.-- 37uk ( talk) 21:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC) it should be rather included in Social solidarity -- 37uk ( talk) 21:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I have a question about the exact correct translation of the full name of Solidarity/Solidarność. Near the top of this talk page an editor asked: What does "Niezależny Samorządny Związek Zawodowy Solidarność" mean precisely? The reply was: The Independent and Self-Governing Trade Union ‘Solidarność’.
What I would like to know is whether the English word "Trade" is a literal, exact translation of the Polish word. In other words, in Poland, are workers' unions referred to as "trade unions" or as "labor unions"? (Or is that distinction even made?) Cgingold ( talk) 15:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
More at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_December_9#Category:Solidarity.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
The "ć" is pronounced t̠͡ɕ, not tɕ in the name of the trade union (and there is a difference between them). See the article about polish phonology if you don't believe. And besides I'm a Pole, so I know it well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.184.202.152 ( talk) 09:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
What does Jesień Ludów mean literally? I know Jesień is autumn (fall), but can't figure out the rest of the phrase, given my very slight acquaintance with Polish.
And, is it somehow analagous to the German die Wende, referring to the great change after 1989?
Sca ( talk) 22:52, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 12:15, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Solidarity (Polish trade union) → Solidarność – This is the union's real and universally recognized name. Charles Essie ( talk) 22:17, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I am removing Category:Solidarity (Polish union movement) from Category:Polish anti-communists as Solidarity was not anti-communist. Some of its members were, but it was not the Union's official policy, particularly not in the beginning. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:40, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
You appear to have little understanding of the true reason/s Solidarity was created. For not only is it a western-backed 'trade union', but it is also anti-communist. Consider how "Lech Wałęsa and others formed a broad anti-Soviet social movement ranging from people associated with the Catholic Church". Reading the whole text, is it not clear that the Category:'Polish anti-communists' is the correct one? 92.16.159.244 ( talk) 15:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
We need to add information supported by reliable that it was funded by foreign powers-including CIA.For example Time openly wrote that part of the funds of the Solidarity movement came from CIA accounts. Money for the banned union came from CIA funds, the National Endowment for Democracy, secret accounts in the Vatican and Western trade unions.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 21:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC) Other sources: [7], [8]. I also remember a BBC document about this organization where former CIA administrator mentioned that Solidarity costed USA as much as funds diverted to Afghanistan.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 21:17, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline ( talk) 11:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Solidarity (Polish trade union) → Solidarity (Poland) – Rename per WP:PRECISION. The current title is more specific than nessacary. Charles Essie ( talk) 13:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Disruptive editing – FYI, a hopping IP has been repeatedly inserting ( WP:Fringe) claims using a non- WP:RS. [9]. Act on it, if you are an admin. Zezen ( talk) 06:51, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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There seems to be an editor, namely Openlydialectic, who rejects the fact that the CIA supported Solidarity, contrary to factual history. This editor keeps deleting a section concerning this information from the article. His reasons cited are that the source provided are "soviet-style Russian propaganda." This is wholly obnoxious, as one of the main sources from the section is from the CIA website itself! Openlydialectic has refused to give any intelligible reason for his reverts, so I am keeping the section. If anyone sees further reverts by this editor, please report him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:85:C102:EEB3:3D7E:73B0:7E6A:350E ( talk) 22:44, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
the current page is missing a reference, so the whole article is messed up.
This is all visible: Cite error: A [1] (see the help page). (680,000 in 2010)[1] |full_name = Independent Self-governing Trade Union "Solidarity" |native_name = Niezależny Samorządny Związek Zawodowy "Solidarność" |image = Solidarity (Polish trade union) (logo).png |caption = |founded = 17 September 1980; 38 years ago[2] |country = Poland |affiliation = ITUC, ETUC, TUAC |office = Gdańsk, Poland |website = Solidarnosc.org.pl (in English) |footnotes = |current = |head = |dissolved_date = |dissolved_state = Merged into |merged_into = |people = Anna Walentynowicz, Lech Wałęsa }}
at the top of the article, and it shouldn't be — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.242.200.33
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References
The CIA covert support section begins, "Unlike the Carter Administration, the Reagan policies supported the Solidarity movement in Poland...". This appears to imply that the Carter Administration did not support the Solidarity movement. I see no evidence in this article or its sources for such an implication. Can this be supported or should it be removed? -- Pemilligan ( talk) 20:54, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Done. -- Pemilligan ( talk) 16:34, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
When highlighting over the word Solidarity when in refence to the Solidarity (Polish trade union) the logo of the Warsaw Pact. So can anyone fix this?
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I'm currently writing a paper on this for a history course, and was startled to find that there's nothing here about it. I've read the book & the author gave a talk at my college - notably, it seems all the CIA provided was a shitload of money, technical support for radio/TV broadcasts, and printing equipment and duplicator machines. QRHELPFUL was run out of the Paris CIA office & materials were transported into Poland through "Ratlines" so that the Polish government wasn't ever able to catch the smoking gun of a CIA officer meeting with a Solidarity member.
Sources: Article: https://www.csis.org/analysis/going-offensive-us-strategy-combat-russian-information-warfare Book: A Covert Action - Reagan, The CIA, And The Cold War Struggle In Poland by Seth G. Jones - https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393247008 tweet from the us embassy in Poland about it. https://twitter.com/PolishEmbassyUS/status/1130880287154561024?s=20&t=gqGPgesJiydJhoIHVxr_Ag
I should be writing my essay, so I'm not going to add to the page (especially as I have no experience in that.) Someone should add it, though. Syrtis-m ( talk) 02:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
What's with the quotes around the „name”? Can they be removed? Clarityfiend ( talk) 08:27, 12 February 2023 (UTC)