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The term 'bitch', placed upon women, is well known as the term addressed to a female dog. In the 1800's, and indeed into the 1900's, well performed, and quality bitches (racing or producing Greyhounds), were called 'sluts'. Therefore, it is logical to presume that the term bitch, was strengthened as an insult by 'upgrading' the insult to 'slut'. I find this derivitive a more acceptable origin of the modern day use of the term.
How is that more appropriate? At all? Like, even a little bit? Why would it be? How do you determine the appropriateness of this?
Good lord. How does one get to make etymological findings? Word go in book. Word go in dictionary. You can't prove an opinion one way or another. It was always negative. Slovenly --> Ugly/Rubbish --> garbage can ("Slut-hole") which was a 19th century term for garbage... all of that can easily be transformed metonymy/synecdoche into how we use it. Indeed the concept of dishevelment is as related to "loose" as anything... and sex tends to make one disheveled. Both terms begin the etymology game a single degree of Kevin Bacon from what we have. And by the way you need to fill in the gap between bitch applying primarily to women rather than dogs to make this leap, which you didn't do there.
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I suggest we change the wording of 'loose sexually morals' to sexually liberated or free. Ellastoodley ( talk) 22:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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Define it as a term for people in general and not exclusively for women and girls as stated. The word slut in modern times has been changed or evolved as describing promiscuous men as well. Animalkingdom1234567890 ( talk) 21:22, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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22:02, 13 June 2018 (UTC)I reverted FT2 per WP:Due weight, including its WP:False balance section. The literature is clear that the term slut rarely refers to men. It's most common definition is in reference to women, and the literature on it is overwhelmingly about women. Therefore, the lead should begin with this, not state "person," as if this term is typically applied to anyone. No. It is very gender-specific. We've also discussed this at Talk:Slut-shaming#WP:Undue weight with regard to changing the lead sentence to "people". If we need yet another discussion, so be it. But it will not change the literature or that we are supposed to follow it with WP:Due weight. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:35, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
And "generally" is there for a reason, which indicates "most commonly." Does slut generally refer to any gender? No. It generally refers women/girls. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Restored this material with difference placement, and this tweak. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 16:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
An exact male equivalent does exist. The word "fuckboy" according to the Oxford English Dictionary (per Google) is "a man who has many casual sexual partners". The word "slut" in the same dictionary is "a woman who has many casual sexual partners". The page is semi-protected so I cannot edit it myself. Juz16 ( talk) 05:14, 6 January 2020 (UTC)Juz16
Fuckboy sounds like a slang which WP is not a dictionary. However if you feel it's fitting in this article maybe you can add to the culture section on how it fits in or maybe have a discussion somewhere else in the discussion category on WP. Just an opinion that is all. JasonHockeyGuy ( talk) 03:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
I just logged in for the first time in years to suggest "Fuckboy," so, obviously, I agree with Mathglot. I do not think one ever would find most conventional media using that word, because it's profane, so that's maybe not a great test. "Fuckboy" absolutely carries a huge burden of judgment. It is not considered a good thing to be. - Peach ( talk) 19:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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Can you add Category:English profanity on the article Slut for me please? 75.110.33.200 ( talk) 22:41, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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Change the caption on the first image from "self identifying promiscuous sluts" to "Two women protest the use of the word slut at the NYC Slut Walk, 2011." The image is used correctly in the Wikipedia entry for Slutshaming. One of the girls in the image is my daughter-in-law and is not a "self-identifying promiscuous slut" per the current caption. Please alter the caption immediately, or allow me to insert the same caption used in the Slutshaming entry. Thank you. Vjyoti ( talk) 15:16, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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The term 'bitch', placed upon women, is well known as the term addressed to a female dog. In the 1800's, and indeed into the 1900's, well performed, and quality bitches (racing or producing Greyhounds), were called 'sluts'. Therefore, it is logical to presume that the term bitch, was strengthened as an insult by 'upgrading' the insult to 'slut'. I find this derivitive a more acceptable origin of the modern day use of the term.
How is that more appropriate? At all? Like, even a little bit? Why would it be? How do you determine the appropriateness of this?
Good lord. How does one get to make etymological findings? Word go in book. Word go in dictionary. You can't prove an opinion one way or another. It was always negative. Slovenly --> Ugly/Rubbish --> garbage can ("Slut-hole") which was a 19th century term for garbage... all of that can easily be transformed metonymy/synecdoche into how we use it. Indeed the concept of dishevelment is as related to "loose" as anything... and sex tends to make one disheveled. Both terms begin the etymology game a single degree of Kevin Bacon from what we have. And by the way you need to fill in the gap between bitch applying primarily to women rather than dogs to make this leap, which you didn't do there.
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I suggest we change the wording of 'loose sexually morals' to sexually liberated or free. Ellastoodley ( talk) 22:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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Define it as a term for people in general and not exclusively for women and girls as stated. The word slut in modern times has been changed or evolved as describing promiscuous men as well. Animalkingdom1234567890 ( talk) 21:22, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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22:02, 13 June 2018 (UTC)I reverted FT2 per WP:Due weight, including its WP:False balance section. The literature is clear that the term slut rarely refers to men. It's most common definition is in reference to women, and the literature on it is overwhelmingly about women. Therefore, the lead should begin with this, not state "person," as if this term is typically applied to anyone. No. It is very gender-specific. We've also discussed this at Talk:Slut-shaming#WP:Undue weight with regard to changing the lead sentence to "people". If we need yet another discussion, so be it. But it will not change the literature or that we are supposed to follow it with WP:Due weight. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:35, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
And "generally" is there for a reason, which indicates "most commonly." Does slut generally refer to any gender? No. It generally refers women/girls. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Restored this material with difference placement, and this tweak. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 16:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
An exact male equivalent does exist. The word "fuckboy" according to the Oxford English Dictionary (per Google) is "a man who has many casual sexual partners". The word "slut" in the same dictionary is "a woman who has many casual sexual partners". The page is semi-protected so I cannot edit it myself. Juz16 ( talk) 05:14, 6 January 2020 (UTC)Juz16
Fuckboy sounds like a slang which WP is not a dictionary. However if you feel it's fitting in this article maybe you can add to the culture section on how it fits in or maybe have a discussion somewhere else in the discussion category on WP. Just an opinion that is all. JasonHockeyGuy ( talk) 03:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
I just logged in for the first time in years to suggest "Fuckboy," so, obviously, I agree with Mathglot. I do not think one ever would find most conventional media using that word, because it's profane, so that's maybe not a great test. "Fuckboy" absolutely carries a huge burden of judgment. It is not considered a good thing to be. - Peach ( talk) 19:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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Can you add Category:English profanity on the article Slut for me please? 75.110.33.200 ( talk) 22:41, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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Change the caption on the first image from "self identifying promiscuous sluts" to "Two women protest the use of the word slut at the NYC Slut Walk, 2011." The image is used correctly in the Wikipedia entry for Slutshaming. One of the girls in the image is my daughter-in-law and is not a "self-identifying promiscuous slut" per the current caption. Please alter the caption immediately, or allow me to insert the same caption used in the Slutshaming entry. Thank you. Vjyoti ( talk) 15:16, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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