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The article states his DOB and DOD but on the last line it says he was 62 when he sadly died. Surely this should read 63.
Sid James came to live in Britain in 1946- when he was 32 or 33. Surely that makes him a South African and not merely "South African born" ? I'm changing it unless someone has a really good reason why it should stay the way it is... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.16.3 ( talk) 10:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I remeber tell that as a result of his antics with Barbera Windsor (on and possibly off screen) he angered one of the Kray twins (the one Windsor was involved with). As a result he broke into James' home and moved things about to ward him off). Anyone care to mention this?-- Crestville 19:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
No not exactly true. Barbara Windsor was once married to Ronnie Knight. Knight was a top villian in his own right and did actually break into Sid's house, or some sources claim it was his dressing room, and in bed an axe into the floorboards as a sign. Babs Windsor did have an affair with Charlie Kray at one time though.
His real name is "Joel Solomon Cohen" (not "Sidney Joel Cohen"), I'm not too sure why there should be dispute about this but apparently there is, I'm a witness of his birth certificate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.203.64.10 ( talk • contribs)
Our policy on verifiability, WP:V, requires sources that an uninvolved reader can check. If the checkable set of sources is consistent, what they say must be said. In theory, a birth certificate is possible source, but I don't think it is workable for a claim that someone's birth name was different than the name they were later known by. How could anyone know the birth certificate was for the same person? That transition needs to be published in a reliable source, and the birth certificate won't show the change of name. GRBerry 21:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
To clarify all this: His birth name was Joel Solomon Cohen, he changed it to Sidney Joel Cohen because at school, there were too many Cohens and the teacher got confused. He then later changed it to Sid James due to personal reasons which I don't think need to be explained. This is in his biography but I don't have it and don't intend to buy it, but there is your reference.-- 81.178.80.16 11:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
This subject has come up a number of times, most recently with Ernest Borgnine. The problem is that we must have a way of verifying if the information concerning James's birth name is correct. Without that, it cannot be changed. Personal research cannot be used because it is nonverifiable. See WP:NOR. Hope this helps. -- Mantanmoreland 21:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Later it was rumoured that Sid James's ghost haunted the dressing room he occupied on the night of his death. After one experience during a gig there, the comedian Les Dawson refused to play the venue again. He never revealed why and would not talk on the subject....
Not that I want to be nitpicky, but if Dawson never revealed why he refused to play the venue again, and would not talk on the subject, then how does anyone know that it had anything to do with Dawson seeing Sid James' ghost? SimonUK ( talk) 13:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The second paragraph in Health begins "Meanwhile his success in TV situation comedies continued, now heading the cast, notably in Taxi!," "Taxi!" was a 1962 British sitcom starring Sid James, but "Taxi!" here, as a link, goes to the 1932 James Cagney movie of the same name. It appears that the link needs to be corrected. Wcomm ( talk) 07:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
It appears that someone has partially fixed the incorrect link to Taxi! The link no longer point to the wrong Taxi! but rather to a not yet created article about the correct Taxi! So the above comment no longer applies. 66.65.179.77 ( talk) 07:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
You should add 'Carry On Regardless' - one of the better ones, in fact. 217.39.92.55 ( talk) 23:13, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
James's alleged obsession with Windsor was such that it was said he returned to his home one day to find that all of the furniture had been rearranged, and on another occasion that her husband of the time, Ronnie Knight, had put an axe in his floor.
There is an obvious mistake in the article regarding the characters named "Sidney" which appear in these films. Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond is absolutely not "the scarlet pimpernel" character from "Carry On Don't Lose Your Head" that character was called "Sir Rodney Ffing/The Black Fingernail". The "Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond" character is surely one of the best known SJ creations appearing in "Carry On Up The Khyber". 92.26.96.157 12:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted a user for their inaccurate category addition of "British Comedians of the 20th Century", or something like that. I disagree, they don't. Unfortunately, the editor in question seems to think that it is more appropriate to discuss this at ANI rather than using this talk page, something that they should've done per WP:BRD. I will not discuss this at the boards and will instead discuss the changes here.
I disagree with the descriptor "comedian" for James. James was not a comedian, but a comedy actor. This is also omitted from the lead so the category should not be added, in my opinion. Cassianto Talk 17:11, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
I express no opinion here on the above, but if it is decided that "comedian" is inappropriate, the article currently has two other such categories: "Jewish comedians" and "English male comedians". -- Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 19:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
@PaleCloudedWhite: Those whose only contribution to an article is to fiddle with categories may not appreciate how irritating that is for other editors. The reason for the irritation is that there is no central authority with a mandate to adjust categories, so any assumption by a drive-by editor that it is obvious that a category belongs on a page is invalid. Further, edit warring about a category for someone who died forty years ago is, well, highly inappropriate and disruptive. Please collaborate. If a category change is opposed and if convinced that the change is desirable, make a case for it on the article talk page. Johnuniq ( talk) 03:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Should there not be something about his stage work? I understand from the documentary 'Seriously Seeking Sid' that he appeared in such productions as ‘Guys & Dolls’, ‘Solid Gold Cadillac’ and there is a Youtube video of him singing 'Our House' from 'Carry On London'.
He is a crook, and according to his wikipedia page "The accuracy of Rigelsford's reference work has been heavily disputed". 86.187.163.205 ( talk) 10:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
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The article states his DOB and DOD but on the last line it says he was 62 when he sadly died. Surely this should read 63.
Sid James came to live in Britain in 1946- when he was 32 or 33. Surely that makes him a South African and not merely "South African born" ? I'm changing it unless someone has a really good reason why it should stay the way it is... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.16.3 ( talk) 10:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I remeber tell that as a result of his antics with Barbera Windsor (on and possibly off screen) he angered one of the Kray twins (the one Windsor was involved with). As a result he broke into James' home and moved things about to ward him off). Anyone care to mention this?-- Crestville 19:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
No not exactly true. Barbara Windsor was once married to Ronnie Knight. Knight was a top villian in his own right and did actually break into Sid's house, or some sources claim it was his dressing room, and in bed an axe into the floorboards as a sign. Babs Windsor did have an affair with Charlie Kray at one time though.
His real name is "Joel Solomon Cohen" (not "Sidney Joel Cohen"), I'm not too sure why there should be dispute about this but apparently there is, I'm a witness of his birth certificate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.203.64.10 ( talk • contribs)
Our policy on verifiability, WP:V, requires sources that an uninvolved reader can check. If the checkable set of sources is consistent, what they say must be said. In theory, a birth certificate is possible source, but I don't think it is workable for a claim that someone's birth name was different than the name they were later known by. How could anyone know the birth certificate was for the same person? That transition needs to be published in a reliable source, and the birth certificate won't show the change of name. GRBerry 21:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
To clarify all this: His birth name was Joel Solomon Cohen, he changed it to Sidney Joel Cohen because at school, there were too many Cohens and the teacher got confused. He then later changed it to Sid James due to personal reasons which I don't think need to be explained. This is in his biography but I don't have it and don't intend to buy it, but there is your reference.-- 81.178.80.16 11:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
This subject has come up a number of times, most recently with Ernest Borgnine. The problem is that we must have a way of verifying if the information concerning James's birth name is correct. Without that, it cannot be changed. Personal research cannot be used because it is nonverifiable. See WP:NOR. Hope this helps. -- Mantanmoreland 21:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Later it was rumoured that Sid James's ghost haunted the dressing room he occupied on the night of his death. After one experience during a gig there, the comedian Les Dawson refused to play the venue again. He never revealed why and would not talk on the subject....
Not that I want to be nitpicky, but if Dawson never revealed why he refused to play the venue again, and would not talk on the subject, then how does anyone know that it had anything to do with Dawson seeing Sid James' ghost? SimonUK ( talk) 13:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The second paragraph in Health begins "Meanwhile his success in TV situation comedies continued, now heading the cast, notably in Taxi!," "Taxi!" was a 1962 British sitcom starring Sid James, but "Taxi!" here, as a link, goes to the 1932 James Cagney movie of the same name. It appears that the link needs to be corrected. Wcomm ( talk) 07:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
It appears that someone has partially fixed the incorrect link to Taxi! The link no longer point to the wrong Taxi! but rather to a not yet created article about the correct Taxi! So the above comment no longer applies. 66.65.179.77 ( talk) 07:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
You should add 'Carry On Regardless' - one of the better ones, in fact. 217.39.92.55 ( talk) 23:13, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
James's alleged obsession with Windsor was such that it was said he returned to his home one day to find that all of the furniture had been rearranged, and on another occasion that her husband of the time, Ronnie Knight, had put an axe in his floor.
There is an obvious mistake in the article regarding the characters named "Sidney" which appear in these films. Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond is absolutely not "the scarlet pimpernel" character from "Carry On Don't Lose Your Head" that character was called "Sir Rodney Ffing/The Black Fingernail". The "Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond" character is surely one of the best known SJ creations appearing in "Carry On Up The Khyber". 92.26.96.157 12:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted a user for their inaccurate category addition of "British Comedians of the 20th Century", or something like that. I disagree, they don't. Unfortunately, the editor in question seems to think that it is more appropriate to discuss this at ANI rather than using this talk page, something that they should've done per WP:BRD. I will not discuss this at the boards and will instead discuss the changes here.
I disagree with the descriptor "comedian" for James. James was not a comedian, but a comedy actor. This is also omitted from the lead so the category should not be added, in my opinion. Cassianto Talk 17:11, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
I express no opinion here on the above, but if it is decided that "comedian" is inappropriate, the article currently has two other such categories: "Jewish comedians" and "English male comedians". -- Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 19:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
@PaleCloudedWhite: Those whose only contribution to an article is to fiddle with categories may not appreciate how irritating that is for other editors. The reason for the irritation is that there is no central authority with a mandate to adjust categories, so any assumption by a drive-by editor that it is obvious that a category belongs on a page is invalid. Further, edit warring about a category for someone who died forty years ago is, well, highly inappropriate and disruptive. Please collaborate. If a category change is opposed and if convinced that the change is desirable, make a case for it on the article talk page. Johnuniq ( talk) 03:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Should there not be something about his stage work? I understand from the documentary 'Seriously Seeking Sid' that he appeared in such productions as ‘Guys & Dolls’, ‘Solid Gold Cadillac’ and there is a Youtube video of him singing 'Our House' from 'Carry On London'.
He is a crook, and according to his wikipedia page "The accuracy of Rigelsford's reference work has been heavily disputed". 86.187.163.205 ( talk) 10:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)