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I noticed a recent edit by User:Rao Ravindra which changed the following sentence:
to this:
With this edit summary:
I would beg to differ. I think that edit summary makes a rather bold and authoritative pronouncement about something that I feel is solely a matter of opinion.
Many dictionaries and grammar books state that the use of "comprise of" is acceptable. For example:
Just to explain: I know it is a tiny issue in the great scheme of things and I do not doubt that the editor was operating under good faith, (basing his/her edit on his/her belief that the "of" is not grammatically correct), and I know I could just change it back. But I figured I would explain here for a number of reasons: this could easily affect other articles (and for all I know it could be someone's
pet "error" that s/he is trying to eradicate from Wikipedia); because I didn't want to get into an edit war over it; and because I thought it might be of interest to other editors, for example those who are not sure what the correct grammar is here. Plus, since I feel it is a matter of stylistic preference and that either way is acceptable, it would seem almost hypocritical of me to just change it back, unless (which is possible) it is an issue related to consistency regarding
national varieties of English or was done with the rationale that whatever version was used first in an article is the one to revert to when in doubt.
And this issue is not without controversy. See
this amusing rant by writer Mike Walsh, for example.
Sorry about the long explanation! :-) I didn't want to come across as rude, which I worried might happen if I were more brief. I just find this stuff interesting; hopefully I am not the only one :-) -
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An unsourced bit about northern Brazil was added. I killed it, and the edit was reverted. I have updated the source with the quote. There is no mention in the rest of the article of a specific region. I have again removed the text in keeping with wp:NOR, wp:Pillars. If readded, please add a source. User talk:Unfriend12 23:28, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Currently the article says Before the 19th century, military circles supported the notion that all persons, including unarmed women and children, were still the enemy, with the belligerent (nation or person engaged in conflict) having conquering rights over them.
This is painterly not true. After the English Civil War acts of indemnity were passed. In the case of the final Act of Indemnity of 1660 Paragraph 10 explicitly excludes from a pardon (among other things):
- (3)and also excepted the detestable and abominable vice of buggery committed with mankind or beast:
- (4) and also excepted all rapes and carnal ravishments of women:
- (5) and also excepted all ravishments and wilful taking away or marrying of any maid, widow or damsel against her will, or without the assent or agreement of her parents or such as then had her in custody; and also all offences of aiding, comforting, procuring and abetting of any such ravishment, wilful taking or marrying, had, committed or done
So while killings during the wars if carried out for military reasons were included in the pardon. Rapes of men and women were not. Here is a clear legal case were rape in war was not seen as a crime suitable for a pardon.
I could go into more details, but during the modern era before the 19th century there were clear laws and customs of war and raping civilians was not acceptable under those customs. If you look at the records of the New Model Army Cromwell and other commanders were forever hanging men for what would be considered crimes today such as pillage etc. This was done in part for sound military reasons -- Without discipline an army quickly becomes a rabble that looses its fighting spirit,(see Carpenter 108,109) and wanton destruction of property (and the virtue of women was largely seen as a property issue) is a sure way to get locals to take up arms against you. "Although soldiers occasionally committed murder rape and plunder, such incidents in the New Model Army occured rarely enough to warrent mention in the national press." Carpenter, Stanl (2003), Military Leadership in the British Civil Wars, 1642-1651: Military Leadership in the British Civil Wars 1642-1651 (illustrated ed.), Psychology Press, p. 108
Also the sentence completely misunderstand the relationship between the people of a state and the prince who ruled it during the early modern era. If people did not take up arms then they were not considered to be enemies, because they were not seen as part of a state. If one reads the treaties of the day, wars were fought between states not nation states. Regions and peoples could be swapped and exchanged without any input from the local inhabitants of the region. This did not change until the decelerations by the UN during the second world war. See for example the clauses in Final Act of the Congress of Vienna/Act I for another blatant examples of this see Article 1 of the Paris Peace treaty of 1815.
There was of course the tradition if a city of a fortress refused offers of surrender where it was considered acceptable to loot and rape, after the town fell, but that was a specific exception and very different from what the sentence in the article suggests was the norm for the treatment general civilian populations. See for example the fact that it is notable that John Churchill order the burning an pillaging of German villages shortly before the Battle of Blenheim (Eric Niderost (12 June 2006) [October 1988]. "War of the Spanish Succession: Battle of Blenheim". Originally published by Military History magazine.) which he did for very specific strategic military reasons.
-- PBS ( talk) 18:30, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I believe that Nicholas Kristof is a big defender of those who are victims in sexual slavery and has traveled all over the world to get their stories. I feel he should be mentioned as a reference since he does work all around the world and constantly informs the world about this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/opinion/15kristof.html?ref=sexualslavery&_r=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.68.243.65 ( talk) 13:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Belchfire has recently deleted sourced and relevant content multiple times, and after I restored it (twice) he added a {{failed verification}} template to it, without posting an explanation of why he sees the tag as justified on the talk page. I have accessed the source, and as far as I can tell, it fully supports every claim that it is used to make. I will be removing the drive-by tagging around 24 hours from the date of my post here unless further explanation is given as to how it "failed verification." Kevin Gorman ( talk) 07:57, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
You're going to have to do a lot better than the Globe and Mail story, because now that I have it in front of me, I can tell you unequivocally that it does NOT support the verbiage in the article. The word "trafficking" appears two times: [1]
Flora Jessop, a former FLDS member who fled at age 16 after she was forced to marry a cousin, said the practice of "trading" young women across the border was akin to international trafficking of young women for sexual purposes.
...and...
People travel between the FLDS communities in Canada and the U.S. all the time, she said. They get away with it, she said, because "they do not look like they are trafficking.
It looks to me like this story is saying specifically that the FLDS didn't do any trafficking. We have the statement of one person - who has an ax to grind - who says that what they did was "akin" to trafficking. I'm afraid that isn't going to cut it. Belchfire- TALK 10:08, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
I have just rewritten the paragraph about the FLDS using many sources that explicitly describe their activities as human trafficking, sexual trafficking, and/or sexual slavery. I was using an intranet news archives, so I cannot provide direct links to most of the sources, but direct links to sources are not a requirement of our sourcing policies - it's perfectly okay to use sources that are not freely accessible on the internet. There are many reliable sources talking about these issues in these terms that I did not include, primarily because I didn't want to overwhelm the rest of the content in the article. I think the sourcing in the paragraph now stands up pretty well, although I'm more than open to discussing any problems anyone sees with them. As I mentioned earlier, if this content is simply outright removed because it doesn't match up with someone's conception of what human trafficking is, I will consider it disruptive editing and will take the issue to ANI. Kevin Gorman ( talk) 03:55, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
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If you have any concerns of the section about the South Korean comfort women system, please express them here (as opposed to deleting it!).-- Imbored2013 ( talk) 21:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
If you read the section, the South Korean comfort system included North Korean women who were kidnapped by South Korean agents. That sounds like a form of sexual slavery to me. Also, C. Sarah Soh's book is a very reliable source. Not only is she a professor of anthropology at San Francisco State University, her book (which took her ten years to write) has received Honorable Mention for the Francis L.K. Hsu Book Prize from the Society for East Asian Anthropology. Bruce Cumings, a professor of history at the University of Chicago, and one of the most established historians on Modern Korea in the United States, has also praised Soh's book as "the standard work on the subject." Rather than putting other people's work down as "unreliable," why don't you present to us a work of similar stature (no blogs, please) that counters her representation of the South Korean "special comfort units"? Thanks! -- Imbored2013 ( talk) 00:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
In her book, on the first page of her prologue, and one pages 71-72, C. Sarah Soh makes it very explicit that her usage of "comfort women" is interchangeable with "sex slaves." At the same time, she also directly writes that during the Korean War, the South Korean military did resort to having agents kidnap North Korean women to fulfill recruitment needs within their "special comfort women units." With these two points, I do not think I have ventured "beyond what is expressed in the sources, or to use them in ways inconsistent with the intention of the source, such as using material out of context." I think that a historical event in which women were kidnapped and forced into prostituting for an enemy military is very pertinent to an article titled "sexual slavery," especially if that article also includes Japanese comfort women (which C. Sarah Soh also makes very explicit the South Korean "comfort women" unit is very similar to). If you want to, we can submit it to the NOR Noticeboard. Thanks!-- Imbored2013 ( talk) 01:27, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
The section had some problems
71.231.116.243 (
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06:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC) Between 1951 and March, 1954, around 180 to 240 Korean women per year are known to have worked in comfort units. The comfort units were situated mostly in Seoul and Gangneung areas, away from the frontline of the war. Kim Kwi-ok seems to be the only academic who did any kind of actual work on the issue, and she presented her finding in Japan of all places where she attracted much attention and support from right-wingers in Japan. We can already see how this issue has heavy political context in relation to the comfort women used by Japan. She admits that it’s unclear how the women from S. Korea were recruited into these stations. We are also unclear on the number of N. Korean women among the women who were in these stations. She claims that some N. Korean women were kidnapped into these stations; however, her finding has not been corroborated by other academics or S. Korean government. In fact, much of Kim Kwi-ok's claim regarding N. Korean women seems to be based on a handful of witness accounts that have not been verified by anybody else.
In addition, a well-known S. Korean newspaper that quotes Kim Kwi-ok’s work and sympathetic to her finding characterizes the women who worked in the comfort stations as professionals with their recruitment being not coercive. The newspaper was the only mainstream media source I could find that talked about Kim Kwi-ok's work in length. Refer to these two article as they both talk about Kim kwi-ok's work: http://www.ohmynews.com/nws_web/view/at_pg.aspx?CNTN_CD=A0000071510 http://www.ohmynews.com/nws_web/view/at_pg.aspx?CNTN_CD=A0000067241 Sarah Soh, a U.S.-based academic of better pedigree, simply quotes and uses Kim Kwi-ok’s work and does not seem to have done her own research into the issue. At the end, we basically have a claim of a single academic whose work has not been corroborated by other academics, S. Korean government, or been supported by concrete evidence. In contrast, the comfort women used by Japan and Germany during WWII numbered in tens of thousands or more, and they are far better documented with multiple academics corroborating with near global consensus on the issues.
In light of all this, it seems clear that the inclusion of the comfort women during the Korean War under the section titled Sexual Slavery along with far larger and far better proven cases of comfort women uses by Japan and Germany with near global consensus on their coercive nature is inappropriate at best.
71.231.116.243 ( talk) 06:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
This article claim that Women from Europe are kidnapped to Saudi Arabia, were they are placed in harems and never heard of again: [3] I realize that this can simply be waved of as some sort of islamophobia, and I assume there are no confirmation. However, would this be impossible? As for myself, I do not know the truthfulness of the story, but: thinking of the reason to why this would not be possible, does it not sound more naive than the opposite? I do not know, but how much insight is there to the "harems" mentioned in the article, and how realistic is there that a woman taken there would simply be counted as a disappearance in her home country? If it does indeed happen, is there a reason to why this would be discovered at all? It it realistic that this can actually take place practically? I admit to be somewhat shocked. If it is indeed referenced somehow, it should be included in this article. -- 85.226.42.87 ( talk) 23:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Okay, why aren't the sex slave kidnapped girls like Natalia Kampusch and those Cincinnati girls in here? It can't be that it didn't occur to anyone, but I don't see a discussion here. Verdana♥Bøld 07:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verdana Bold ( talk • contribs)
Is there no data/info on male with male or female (owner) with male (slave)?
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This seems to focus on historical facts rather than current events. Many of the "current" statistics are 10 or 20 years old, and the article doesn't even refer to Human Trafficking!!! Ludicrous. I'll also note that the article does an extremely poor job at explaining what it is about. Sexual slavery is "slavery for the purpose of sexual exploitation." That hardly helps. I haven't bothered to look up an adequate definition, but I'm sure they're out there. As a start, it is being forced (by physical confinement, threat, or control) to engage in actions which serve to sexually arouse/stimulate and/or satisfy others, including engaging in sexual conduct with them or third parties. My major objections are the data is old and it doesn't link to Human Trafficking. 173.189.75.206 ( talk) 21:05, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
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Child pornography, sometimes referred to as 'child abuse images',[13][14][15] refers to images or films depicting sexually explicit activities involving a child. As such, child pornography is a visual record of child sexual abuse.
Child pornography is a video or image showing a child involved in sexual behavior. This is not always a "visual record of child sexual abuse". For example, a 14 year old girl masturbating video taped in Argintina is completely legal and would not be considered child sexual abuse even though it is child pornography. Another example would be a 13 year old girl who has passed puberty in Nayarit, Mexico video taped having sex with a 44 year old male. This is child pornography but legal and consensual behavior in that state in mexico. All child sexual abuse that is video taped is child pornography but not all child pornography is child sexual abuse. This needs to be made clear in the second sentence, "As such, child pornography is a visual record of child sexual abuse." Notice in the first sentence we state "sometimes referred to as 'child abuse images" because it is not always abuse. Boilingorangejuice ( talk) 03:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
That’s still child sexual abuse….just because it’s legal doesn’t make it okay RJS001 ( talk) 05:26, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
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I don't have time to look up references for this, but it seems to me that uses of term like 'coercion' or 'use of their positions' is pretty mealy-mouthed in discussion of chattel slavery in the americas. White traders and owners used to frequently rape their female (and sometimes male) slaves, and while this was not always the primary purpose of owning the slave, one imagines that being able to rape freely was considered a big bonus of slavery to these men. Likewise they also 'bred' their slaves, i.e. forced male slaves to rape female slaves, and reproduction through rape was clearly quite a primary reason for ownership of female slaves. Even if women were not held only in order to rape them (though I'm sure a bunch were), it was very systematic, and it seems to me that sexual slavery/rape was a major part of the ecology of chattel slavery in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.97.219 ( talk) 08:12, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
The decrease in European ancestry on the X-chromosome might imply a simultaneous European male bias and African female bias, which is consistent with increased frequency of sexual interactions between European males and African females, including rape and/or coerced sexual interactions (Kennedy, 2003; Lind et al., 2007).
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Bennison2016 (ref 115) is missing in the bibliography which causes a major part of the Slave trade to the Middle East section. I'd urge to find this work so the section is not left unsourced. I am not an expert at this topic but I did find that it could be written by "Amira Bennison". Thank you, Thecowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 15:24, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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I noticed a recent edit by User:Rao Ravindra which changed the following sentence:
to this:
With this edit summary:
I would beg to differ. I think that edit summary makes a rather bold and authoritative pronouncement about something that I feel is solely a matter of opinion.
Many dictionaries and grammar books state that the use of "comprise of" is acceptable. For example:
Just to explain: I know it is a tiny issue in the great scheme of things and I do not doubt that the editor was operating under good faith, (basing his/her edit on his/her belief that the "of" is not grammatically correct), and I know I could just change it back. But I figured I would explain here for a number of reasons: this could easily affect other articles (and for all I know it could be someone's
pet "error" that s/he is trying to eradicate from Wikipedia); because I didn't want to get into an edit war over it; and because I thought it might be of interest to other editors, for example those who are not sure what the correct grammar is here. Plus, since I feel it is a matter of stylistic preference and that either way is acceptable, it would seem almost hypocritical of me to just change it back, unless (which is possible) it is an issue related to consistency regarding
national varieties of English or was done with the rationale that whatever version was used first in an article is the one to revert to when in doubt.
And this issue is not without controversy. See
this amusing rant by writer Mike Walsh, for example.
Sorry about the long explanation! :-) I didn't want to come across as rude, which I worried might happen if I were more brief. I just find this stuff interesting; hopefully I am not the only one :-) -
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An unsourced bit about northern Brazil was added. I killed it, and the edit was reverted. I have updated the source with the quote. There is no mention in the rest of the article of a specific region. I have again removed the text in keeping with wp:NOR, wp:Pillars. If readded, please add a source. User talk:Unfriend12 23:28, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Currently the article says Before the 19th century, military circles supported the notion that all persons, including unarmed women and children, were still the enemy, with the belligerent (nation or person engaged in conflict) having conquering rights over them.
This is painterly not true. After the English Civil War acts of indemnity were passed. In the case of the final Act of Indemnity of 1660 Paragraph 10 explicitly excludes from a pardon (among other things):
- (3)and also excepted the detestable and abominable vice of buggery committed with mankind or beast:
- (4) and also excepted all rapes and carnal ravishments of women:
- (5) and also excepted all ravishments and wilful taking away or marrying of any maid, widow or damsel against her will, or without the assent or agreement of her parents or such as then had her in custody; and also all offences of aiding, comforting, procuring and abetting of any such ravishment, wilful taking or marrying, had, committed or done
So while killings during the wars if carried out for military reasons were included in the pardon. Rapes of men and women were not. Here is a clear legal case were rape in war was not seen as a crime suitable for a pardon.
I could go into more details, but during the modern era before the 19th century there were clear laws and customs of war and raping civilians was not acceptable under those customs. If you look at the records of the New Model Army Cromwell and other commanders were forever hanging men for what would be considered crimes today such as pillage etc. This was done in part for sound military reasons -- Without discipline an army quickly becomes a rabble that looses its fighting spirit,(see Carpenter 108,109) and wanton destruction of property (and the virtue of women was largely seen as a property issue) is a sure way to get locals to take up arms against you. "Although soldiers occasionally committed murder rape and plunder, such incidents in the New Model Army occured rarely enough to warrent mention in the national press." Carpenter, Stanl (2003), Military Leadership in the British Civil Wars, 1642-1651: Military Leadership in the British Civil Wars 1642-1651 (illustrated ed.), Psychology Press, p. 108
Also the sentence completely misunderstand the relationship between the people of a state and the prince who ruled it during the early modern era. If people did not take up arms then they were not considered to be enemies, because they were not seen as part of a state. If one reads the treaties of the day, wars were fought between states not nation states. Regions and peoples could be swapped and exchanged without any input from the local inhabitants of the region. This did not change until the decelerations by the UN during the second world war. See for example the clauses in Final Act of the Congress of Vienna/Act I for another blatant examples of this see Article 1 of the Paris Peace treaty of 1815.
There was of course the tradition if a city of a fortress refused offers of surrender where it was considered acceptable to loot and rape, after the town fell, but that was a specific exception and very different from what the sentence in the article suggests was the norm for the treatment general civilian populations. See for example the fact that it is notable that John Churchill order the burning an pillaging of German villages shortly before the Battle of Blenheim (Eric Niderost (12 June 2006) [October 1988]. "War of the Spanish Succession: Battle of Blenheim". Originally published by Military History magazine.) which he did for very specific strategic military reasons.
-- PBS ( talk) 18:30, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
I believe that Nicholas Kristof is a big defender of those who are victims in sexual slavery and has traveled all over the world to get their stories. I feel he should be mentioned as a reference since he does work all around the world and constantly informs the world about this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/opinion/15kristof.html?ref=sexualslavery&_r=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.68.243.65 ( talk) 13:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Belchfire has recently deleted sourced and relevant content multiple times, and after I restored it (twice) he added a {{failed verification}} template to it, without posting an explanation of why he sees the tag as justified on the talk page. I have accessed the source, and as far as I can tell, it fully supports every claim that it is used to make. I will be removing the drive-by tagging around 24 hours from the date of my post here unless further explanation is given as to how it "failed verification." Kevin Gorman ( talk) 07:57, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
You're going to have to do a lot better than the Globe and Mail story, because now that I have it in front of me, I can tell you unequivocally that it does NOT support the verbiage in the article. The word "trafficking" appears two times: [1]
Flora Jessop, a former FLDS member who fled at age 16 after she was forced to marry a cousin, said the practice of "trading" young women across the border was akin to international trafficking of young women for sexual purposes.
...and...
People travel between the FLDS communities in Canada and the U.S. all the time, she said. They get away with it, she said, because "they do not look like they are trafficking.
It looks to me like this story is saying specifically that the FLDS didn't do any trafficking. We have the statement of one person - who has an ax to grind - who says that what they did was "akin" to trafficking. I'm afraid that isn't going to cut it. Belchfire- TALK 10:08, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
I have just rewritten the paragraph about the FLDS using many sources that explicitly describe their activities as human trafficking, sexual trafficking, and/or sexual slavery. I was using an intranet news archives, so I cannot provide direct links to most of the sources, but direct links to sources are not a requirement of our sourcing policies - it's perfectly okay to use sources that are not freely accessible on the internet. There are many reliable sources talking about these issues in these terms that I did not include, primarily because I didn't want to overwhelm the rest of the content in the article. I think the sourcing in the paragraph now stands up pretty well, although I'm more than open to discussing any problems anyone sees with them. As I mentioned earlier, if this content is simply outright removed because it doesn't match up with someone's conception of what human trafficking is, I will consider it disruptive editing and will take the issue to ANI. Kevin Gorman ( talk) 03:55, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
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If you have any concerns of the section about the South Korean comfort women system, please express them here (as opposed to deleting it!).-- Imbored2013 ( talk) 21:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
If you read the section, the South Korean comfort system included North Korean women who were kidnapped by South Korean agents. That sounds like a form of sexual slavery to me. Also, C. Sarah Soh's book is a very reliable source. Not only is she a professor of anthropology at San Francisco State University, her book (which took her ten years to write) has received Honorable Mention for the Francis L.K. Hsu Book Prize from the Society for East Asian Anthropology. Bruce Cumings, a professor of history at the University of Chicago, and one of the most established historians on Modern Korea in the United States, has also praised Soh's book as "the standard work on the subject." Rather than putting other people's work down as "unreliable," why don't you present to us a work of similar stature (no blogs, please) that counters her representation of the South Korean "special comfort units"? Thanks! -- Imbored2013 ( talk) 00:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
In her book, on the first page of her prologue, and one pages 71-72, C. Sarah Soh makes it very explicit that her usage of "comfort women" is interchangeable with "sex slaves." At the same time, she also directly writes that during the Korean War, the South Korean military did resort to having agents kidnap North Korean women to fulfill recruitment needs within their "special comfort women units." With these two points, I do not think I have ventured "beyond what is expressed in the sources, or to use them in ways inconsistent with the intention of the source, such as using material out of context." I think that a historical event in which women were kidnapped and forced into prostituting for an enemy military is very pertinent to an article titled "sexual slavery," especially if that article also includes Japanese comfort women (which C. Sarah Soh also makes very explicit the South Korean "comfort women" unit is very similar to). If you want to, we can submit it to the NOR Noticeboard. Thanks!-- Imbored2013 ( talk) 01:27, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
The section had some problems
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06:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC) Between 1951 and March, 1954, around 180 to 240 Korean women per year are known to have worked in comfort units. The comfort units were situated mostly in Seoul and Gangneung areas, away from the frontline of the war. Kim Kwi-ok seems to be the only academic who did any kind of actual work on the issue, and she presented her finding in Japan of all places where she attracted much attention and support from right-wingers in Japan. We can already see how this issue has heavy political context in relation to the comfort women used by Japan. She admits that it’s unclear how the women from S. Korea were recruited into these stations. We are also unclear on the number of N. Korean women among the women who were in these stations. She claims that some N. Korean women were kidnapped into these stations; however, her finding has not been corroborated by other academics or S. Korean government. In fact, much of Kim Kwi-ok's claim regarding N. Korean women seems to be based on a handful of witness accounts that have not been verified by anybody else.
In addition, a well-known S. Korean newspaper that quotes Kim Kwi-ok’s work and sympathetic to her finding characterizes the women who worked in the comfort stations as professionals with their recruitment being not coercive. The newspaper was the only mainstream media source I could find that talked about Kim Kwi-ok's work in length. Refer to these two article as they both talk about Kim kwi-ok's work: http://www.ohmynews.com/nws_web/view/at_pg.aspx?CNTN_CD=A0000071510 http://www.ohmynews.com/nws_web/view/at_pg.aspx?CNTN_CD=A0000067241 Sarah Soh, a U.S.-based academic of better pedigree, simply quotes and uses Kim Kwi-ok’s work and does not seem to have done her own research into the issue. At the end, we basically have a claim of a single academic whose work has not been corroborated by other academics, S. Korean government, or been supported by concrete evidence. In contrast, the comfort women used by Japan and Germany during WWII numbered in tens of thousands or more, and they are far better documented with multiple academics corroborating with near global consensus on the issues.
In light of all this, it seems clear that the inclusion of the comfort women during the Korean War under the section titled Sexual Slavery along with far larger and far better proven cases of comfort women uses by Japan and Germany with near global consensus on their coercive nature is inappropriate at best.
71.231.116.243 ( talk) 06:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
This article claim that Women from Europe are kidnapped to Saudi Arabia, were they are placed in harems and never heard of again: [3] I realize that this can simply be waved of as some sort of islamophobia, and I assume there are no confirmation. However, would this be impossible? As for myself, I do not know the truthfulness of the story, but: thinking of the reason to why this would not be possible, does it not sound more naive than the opposite? I do not know, but how much insight is there to the "harems" mentioned in the article, and how realistic is there that a woman taken there would simply be counted as a disappearance in her home country? If it does indeed happen, is there a reason to why this would be discovered at all? It it realistic that this can actually take place practically? I admit to be somewhat shocked. If it is indeed referenced somehow, it should be included in this article. -- 85.226.42.87 ( talk) 23:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Okay, why aren't the sex slave kidnapped girls like Natalia Kampusch and those Cincinnati girls in here? It can't be that it didn't occur to anyone, but I don't see a discussion here. Verdana♥Bøld 07:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verdana Bold ( talk • contribs)
Is there no data/info on male with male or female (owner) with male (slave)?
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This seems to focus on historical facts rather than current events. Many of the "current" statistics are 10 or 20 years old, and the article doesn't even refer to Human Trafficking!!! Ludicrous. I'll also note that the article does an extremely poor job at explaining what it is about. Sexual slavery is "slavery for the purpose of sexual exploitation." That hardly helps. I haven't bothered to look up an adequate definition, but I'm sure they're out there. As a start, it is being forced (by physical confinement, threat, or control) to engage in actions which serve to sexually arouse/stimulate and/or satisfy others, including engaging in sexual conduct with them or third parties. My major objections are the data is old and it doesn't link to Human Trafficking. 173.189.75.206 ( talk) 21:05, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
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Child pornography, sometimes referred to as 'child abuse images',[13][14][15] refers to images or films depicting sexually explicit activities involving a child. As such, child pornography is a visual record of child sexual abuse.
Child pornography is a video or image showing a child involved in sexual behavior. This is not always a "visual record of child sexual abuse". For example, a 14 year old girl masturbating video taped in Argintina is completely legal and would not be considered child sexual abuse even though it is child pornography. Another example would be a 13 year old girl who has passed puberty in Nayarit, Mexico video taped having sex with a 44 year old male. This is child pornography but legal and consensual behavior in that state in mexico. All child sexual abuse that is video taped is child pornography but not all child pornography is child sexual abuse. This needs to be made clear in the second sentence, "As such, child pornography is a visual record of child sexual abuse." Notice in the first sentence we state "sometimes referred to as 'child abuse images" because it is not always abuse. Boilingorangejuice ( talk) 03:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
That’s still child sexual abuse….just because it’s legal doesn’t make it okay RJS001 ( talk) 05:26, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
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I don't have time to look up references for this, but it seems to me that uses of term like 'coercion' or 'use of their positions' is pretty mealy-mouthed in discussion of chattel slavery in the americas. White traders and owners used to frequently rape their female (and sometimes male) slaves, and while this was not always the primary purpose of owning the slave, one imagines that being able to rape freely was considered a big bonus of slavery to these men. Likewise they also 'bred' their slaves, i.e. forced male slaves to rape female slaves, and reproduction through rape was clearly quite a primary reason for ownership of female slaves. Even if women were not held only in order to rape them (though I'm sure a bunch were), it was very systematic, and it seems to me that sexual slavery/rape was a major part of the ecology of chattel slavery in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.97.219 ( talk) 08:12, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
The decrease in European ancestry on the X-chromosome might imply a simultaneous European male bias and African female bias, which is consistent with increased frequency of sexual interactions between European males and African females, including rape and/or coerced sexual interactions (Kennedy, 2003; Lind et al., 2007).
The European ancestry of these slaves resulted primarily from the forcible rape of African women by their European masters and overseers. This is evi- denced by the fact that African Americans contain mitochondrial DNA lineages that are predominantly sub-Saharan African, yet have many European Y chromosome lin- eages (Battaggia et al., 2012; Gonçalves, Prosdocimi, Santos, Ortega, & Pena, 2007).
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Bennison2016 (ref 115) is missing in the bibliography which causes a major part of the Slave trade to the Middle East section. I'd urge to find this work so the section is not left unsourced. I am not an expert at this topic but I did find that it could be written by "Amira Bennison". Thank you, Thecowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 15:24, 26 February 2024 (UTC)