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Sorry, the original edit somehow lost itself. Alright, the People's Republic of Poland seems to not appear in the succession part of the Second Republic of Poland, instead the only link refers to the government in exile. The government in exile overtakes the SRP in 1939, but the PRP has began in 1944, which is technically skipping 5 years of Polish history. We cannot add the PRP to the succession list of the SRP, because it has started in 1944, but we cannot add it into the exile's succession list, as the government in exile ended in 1990, and the PRP has ended a year before that. This means the enitre page of PRP is skipped entirely from the Polish History. According to sources or facts, do we change the dissolution date of the SRP to 1944, or do we transfer-power to the PRP in 1944? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PantherBF3 ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
What does this paragraph mean?:
Are we talking about the same place? The sentence seems to be starting to talk about the former Russian-ruled part of Poland. Are we talking about all of Poland, or just the part that was formerly ruled by Russia? I got very confused. -- Zoe
when polish degenerates give back Lithuanian ethnic lands - Palenke, Pamarenia, Prussia, Jotva-Mozuria??? it's aout 150 000 km2...and of cause all polish colonists must go back to poland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.13.243 ( talk) 14:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
In the map Germany looks like it has its pre 1918 borders. Its not a massive problem but we might as well fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onthehook ( talk • contribs) 01:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
This article will soon be splitted into several subarticles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Poland/Periodization. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:22, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Just gets messy near the bottom. Needs to be cleaned up a tad. -- Woohookitty 06:09, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
--- What was the First Republic? Känsterle 11:15, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Five edits in nearly four years. Can only a mother love this? -- Matthead 04:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I added some statistics on minorities and the number of ethnically Jewish in the Second Republic to the demographics section. The statements are sourced. Please build upon them if you wish. Aaрон Кинни ( t) 10:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Was the Piast Coat of Arms used as the Coat of Arms of the Second Polish Republic between 1927 and 1939? WhyNotFreedom 05:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I own a Statistical Year-Book of Poland 1939 (Maly rocznik statystyczny 1939). This is the best source one can get and little by little, I will be making corrections to the data given so far, as well as adding some more information. I will start up with population of biggest cities of Poland in 1939, there are some differences. Greetings to all Tymek 05:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Second paragraph needs to cite sources or be deleted. It also contains possible POVs. + Hexagon1 ( t) 10:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I wonder why there is no map of the original borders of 1919, according to Versailles?-- Matthead discuß! O 14:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Map from 1919 as requested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_map_1919.jpg
It seems somebody already uploaded such a map.-- Molobo ( talk) 23:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I added detailed map from Romer's atlas.-- Molobo ( talk) 03:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
User:Piotrus and his "friends" can´t accept sources not showing the past as polish propaganda wants it to claim area (no polish majority in vilnius area e.g.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polska1912.jpg and deleted my map http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Polska-ww1-nation.png. I can only say, fight for a neutral wikipedia or let extremist wrote the articles from the beginning. Polish propandism is strong in wikipedia, but if we follow this path we also could use nazimaps claiming area for germany or turkish maps showing no kurds ( Exec ( talk) 01:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC))
I think it should be add as one of the succeeded country (if there is polish underground, it should be also). Papapolak ( talk) 15:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I see a lingering problem here. The article is restricted by the end date of 1939. By international law however, the Second Polish Republic did not end on the first day of the 1939 German-Soviet invasion of Poland, but rather, when it became a new state in 1945 with borders redrawn by Joseph Stalin following the Tehran Conference of 1943, and thus it became recognized as such by all Allies. The question is, should this article be renamed? The same can be said about all articles about the voivodeships of Second Polish Republic, because their history sections usually go beyond the invasion. User:Piotrus considers the Second Polish Republic defunct as of September '39, replaced by the Polish Underground State. However, the administrative division of the Polish Underground State is an under-researched issue. It mostly mirrors the pre war borders of Poland. There's the question also about the German/Soviet border agreements during and after the invasion of Poland... were they legal? Let's discuss this first in here, as we should start by deciding on the date the state ended in the infobox. Also, please take a look at the book Poland, 1918-1945: an interpretive and documentary history by Peter D. Stachura. I don't know where the idea of the Second Polish Republic ending with the two invasions came from? And, what would the exact date be? Stachura defines the Second Polish Republic as part of "Poland 1918–1945". Quote:
In the turbulent history of twentieth-century Europe, the reborn Polish State faced the most formidable and diverse array of problems imaginable. From 1918 until the end of the Second World War, Poland struggled to retain and consolidate independence... [2]
Without going into extensive research, I'd like to find out from you if the dates are necessary at all, and if so, how the members of the Polish government-in-exile referred to themselves in official documents and functions... as members of the government of what country? Second Polish Republic, or the Polish Underground State, or anything in between?-- Poeticbent talk 17:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I was looking into the falsifications of the Polish 1931 census and stumbled across some interesting figures which go beyond simply counting the 'Locals' of Polesia with the Belorussians as shown below:
Official:
Revised:
Of course, this data does not count the Ukrainians and Belorussians who would later label themselves as Poles in 1959 [3], as shown under point 8.
Source Page [4] Prussia1231 ( talk) 01:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The section on the Economy is confused, mostly unsourced and in places contradictory. I tagged the statements about prosperity as dubious - while there were some very real achievements (successful economic integration of regions from different partitions, transportation network, Gdynia, monetary stabilization etc.) it was hardly a period of prosperity - though this was mostly due to world wide events and situation. In fact the last sentence of the section, which discusses unemployment and poverty contradicts these claims of prosperity. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 04:13, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I made this graph based on Mark Harrison's estimates [5]. Note that there are other estimates out there but roughly speaking this is correct. Also note that one reason why Soviet Union looks high is because non-communist economies at this time either still were in the midst of Great Depression or just beginning to recover from it. As can be seen, Poland was probably richer (per person) than Portugal (Spain too, though it's not in this graph), was comparable to Greece, MAYBE comparable to Austria (I have seen estimates which put Poland and Austria at parity at some point in the interwar period, pre-Great Depression though - can't find them right now), but not really comparable to rest of Western Europe. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 05:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Two more graphs, more relevant to this article, both showing pretty much the same thing in different ways:
I'm not sure which version speaks more to the general reader but I'd like to include one of these in the article. The thing is the article is already cluttered up with lots of images. Maybe we could remove one of the numerous maps (many of which repeat the same information)? Volunteer Marek ( talk) 06:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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I find a problem, the People's Republic of Poland does not link into the Second Polish Republic, instead the only link refers to the Government in exile, which hasn't ended until 1990, which entirely excludes the listing of the communist state of Poland. According to the infobox, the SPR existed until 1939, then the exile government continued it's way, however the PRP has started in 1944, which somehow manages to skip 5 years of Polish history. According to facts or sources, do we change the dissolution date of the SRP to 1944, or the government in exile's power-transfer to PRP in 1944? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PantherBF3 ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
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The linguistic map ignores Yiddish completely. I wonder why... My understanding is that in 1920, it was the majority language in Warsaw, Vilna, and other cities. 68.5.46.193 ( talk) 08:29, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
A fairly mundane topic here: what date format should we use in this article? Currently, the article's dates use an inconsistent format, which is counter to the Manual of Style. Since WP:TIES doesn't really apply here (no strong ties to any variety of English) and both are used throughout I thought some other opinions might be useful. When created (all the way back in 2002) the article used day-month-year, but it was created using an automated script (I'm not entirely sure what it was converted from though - the Polish article wasn't created until 8 months later) so I don't think that is really usable as a basis for the format to use. Personally I favour day-month-year, but that's nothing more than a personal preference. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ( talk) 02:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I would like to replace the timeline with a summary based on the History of Poland (1918–39) article. Thoughts or objections? Rsloch ( talk) 14:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
«The currency helped Poland to bring under control the massive hyperinflation, the only country in Europe which was able to do this without foreign loans or aid.[15]» I can’t understand the polish source, but I am a bit skeptical about this sentence. Poland wasn’t for sure the only cuntry in Europe without hyperinflation, and that the other countries in Europe avoided Hyperinflation only with external aid seems to me a myth. If ALL the other european countries had hyperinflation or needed external aid to avoid hyperinflation, who could have given such an aid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flauius Claudius Iulianus ( talk • contribs) 13:32, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Presumably, the predecessor of the Second Republic was the Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth; but that state had a King of Poland (who was simultaneously also the Duke of Lithuania). Therefore, by definition, it was not a Republic. Take France, for example: the current state is the Fifth Republic, established in the 1950s, following the Fourth Republic (established after World War II). The First Republic was established in the 1790s, but between the First and Third Republics there were several incarnations of French Empires and reincarnations of the Kingdom of France, which are not numbered among the republics. Firejuggler86 ( talk) 14:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Havsjö: - It is unprofessional to just say "no" as an explanation for reverting content. Some micronations and regions which were not recognized are not appropriate predecessors. Please have a looks at other articles, such as the German Empire. There is no needs for dozens of flags to clutter the infobox. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes, irrelevant content or content which is not mentioned in the article's body should not be placed in the infobox. Oliszydlowski ( talk) 03:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
to remove what was in actual-real-life the political entities which preceded the 2nd Polish republic KoP wasn't a " real life political entity". It was never formed and only existed as proposal with some propaganda measures by German occupiers while they were planning to ethnic cleanse Poles.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 10:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
It was a proposed state, it was never created in the end.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 00:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
increase color contrast in the infobox since the white part of the flag disapears on a very pale light green background. -- Wladek92 ( talk) 17:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
In the list of countries which the Second Polish republic is part of today I found a weird entrance, Latvia.
obviously it was part of Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. parts of czeckia and slovakia were annexed in 1938, those being accounted to. but what part of modern day latvia did it hold? Sandjaar ( talk) 13:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Sorry, the original edit somehow lost itself. Alright, the People's Republic of Poland seems to not appear in the succession part of the Second Republic of Poland, instead the only link refers to the government in exile. The government in exile overtakes the SRP in 1939, but the PRP has began in 1944, which is technically skipping 5 years of Polish history. We cannot add the PRP to the succession list of the SRP, because it has started in 1944, but we cannot add it into the exile's succession list, as the government in exile ended in 1990, and the PRP has ended a year before that. This means the enitre page of PRP is skipped entirely from the Polish History. According to sources or facts, do we change the dissolution date of the SRP to 1944, or do we transfer-power to the PRP in 1944? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PantherBF3 ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
What does this paragraph mean?:
Are we talking about the same place? The sentence seems to be starting to talk about the former Russian-ruled part of Poland. Are we talking about all of Poland, or just the part that was formerly ruled by Russia? I got very confused. -- Zoe
when polish degenerates give back Lithuanian ethnic lands - Palenke, Pamarenia, Prussia, Jotva-Mozuria??? it's aout 150 000 km2...and of cause all polish colonists must go back to poland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.13.243 ( talk) 14:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
In the map Germany looks like it has its pre 1918 borders. Its not a massive problem but we might as well fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onthehook ( talk • contribs) 01:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
This article will soon be splitted into several subarticles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Poland/Periodization. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:22, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Just gets messy near the bottom. Needs to be cleaned up a tad. -- Woohookitty 06:09, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
--- What was the First Republic? Känsterle 11:15, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Five edits in nearly four years. Can only a mother love this? -- Matthead 04:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I added some statistics on minorities and the number of ethnically Jewish in the Second Republic to the demographics section. The statements are sourced. Please build upon them if you wish. Aaрон Кинни ( t) 10:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Was the Piast Coat of Arms used as the Coat of Arms of the Second Polish Republic between 1927 and 1939? WhyNotFreedom 05:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I own a Statistical Year-Book of Poland 1939 (Maly rocznik statystyczny 1939). This is the best source one can get and little by little, I will be making corrections to the data given so far, as well as adding some more information. I will start up with population of biggest cities of Poland in 1939, there are some differences. Greetings to all Tymek 05:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Second paragraph needs to cite sources or be deleted. It also contains possible POVs. + Hexagon1 ( t) 10:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I wonder why there is no map of the original borders of 1919, according to Versailles?-- Matthead discuß! O 14:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Map from 1919 as requested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_map_1919.jpg
It seems somebody already uploaded such a map.-- Molobo ( talk) 23:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I added detailed map from Romer's atlas.-- Molobo ( talk) 03:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
User:Piotrus and his "friends" can´t accept sources not showing the past as polish propaganda wants it to claim area (no polish majority in vilnius area e.g.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polska1912.jpg and deleted my map http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Polska-ww1-nation.png. I can only say, fight for a neutral wikipedia or let extremist wrote the articles from the beginning. Polish propandism is strong in wikipedia, but if we follow this path we also could use nazimaps claiming area for germany or turkish maps showing no kurds ( Exec ( talk) 01:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC))
I think it should be add as one of the succeeded country (if there is polish underground, it should be also). Papapolak ( talk) 15:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I see a lingering problem here. The article is restricted by the end date of 1939. By international law however, the Second Polish Republic did not end on the first day of the 1939 German-Soviet invasion of Poland, but rather, when it became a new state in 1945 with borders redrawn by Joseph Stalin following the Tehran Conference of 1943, and thus it became recognized as such by all Allies. The question is, should this article be renamed? The same can be said about all articles about the voivodeships of Second Polish Republic, because their history sections usually go beyond the invasion. User:Piotrus considers the Second Polish Republic defunct as of September '39, replaced by the Polish Underground State. However, the administrative division of the Polish Underground State is an under-researched issue. It mostly mirrors the pre war borders of Poland. There's the question also about the German/Soviet border agreements during and after the invasion of Poland... were they legal? Let's discuss this first in here, as we should start by deciding on the date the state ended in the infobox. Also, please take a look at the book Poland, 1918-1945: an interpretive and documentary history by Peter D. Stachura. I don't know where the idea of the Second Polish Republic ending with the two invasions came from? And, what would the exact date be? Stachura defines the Second Polish Republic as part of "Poland 1918–1945". Quote:
In the turbulent history of twentieth-century Europe, the reborn Polish State faced the most formidable and diverse array of problems imaginable. From 1918 until the end of the Second World War, Poland struggled to retain and consolidate independence... [2]
Without going into extensive research, I'd like to find out from you if the dates are necessary at all, and if so, how the members of the Polish government-in-exile referred to themselves in official documents and functions... as members of the government of what country? Second Polish Republic, or the Polish Underground State, or anything in between?-- Poeticbent talk 17:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I was looking into the falsifications of the Polish 1931 census and stumbled across some interesting figures which go beyond simply counting the 'Locals' of Polesia with the Belorussians as shown below:
Official:
Revised:
Of course, this data does not count the Ukrainians and Belorussians who would later label themselves as Poles in 1959 [3], as shown under point 8.
Source Page [4] Prussia1231 ( talk) 01:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The section on the Economy is confused, mostly unsourced and in places contradictory. I tagged the statements about prosperity as dubious - while there were some very real achievements (successful economic integration of regions from different partitions, transportation network, Gdynia, monetary stabilization etc.) it was hardly a period of prosperity - though this was mostly due to world wide events and situation. In fact the last sentence of the section, which discusses unemployment and poverty contradicts these claims of prosperity. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 04:13, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I made this graph based on Mark Harrison's estimates [5]. Note that there are other estimates out there but roughly speaking this is correct. Also note that one reason why Soviet Union looks high is because non-communist economies at this time either still were in the midst of Great Depression or just beginning to recover from it. As can be seen, Poland was probably richer (per person) than Portugal (Spain too, though it's not in this graph), was comparable to Greece, MAYBE comparable to Austria (I have seen estimates which put Poland and Austria at parity at some point in the interwar period, pre-Great Depression though - can't find them right now), but not really comparable to rest of Western Europe. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 05:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Two more graphs, more relevant to this article, both showing pretty much the same thing in different ways:
I'm not sure which version speaks more to the general reader but I'd like to include one of these in the article. The thing is the article is already cluttered up with lots of images. Maybe we could remove one of the numerous maps (many of which repeat the same information)? Volunteer Marek ( talk) 06:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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I find a problem, the People's Republic of Poland does not link into the Second Polish Republic, instead the only link refers to the Government in exile, which hasn't ended until 1990, which entirely excludes the listing of the communist state of Poland. According to the infobox, the SPR existed until 1939, then the exile government continued it's way, however the PRP has started in 1944, which somehow manages to skip 5 years of Polish history. According to facts or sources, do we change the dissolution date of the SRP to 1944, or the government in exile's power-transfer to PRP in 1944? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PantherBF3 ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
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The linguistic map ignores Yiddish completely. I wonder why... My understanding is that in 1920, it was the majority language in Warsaw, Vilna, and other cities. 68.5.46.193 ( talk) 08:29, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
A fairly mundane topic here: what date format should we use in this article? Currently, the article's dates use an inconsistent format, which is counter to the Manual of Style. Since WP:TIES doesn't really apply here (no strong ties to any variety of English) and both are used throughout I thought some other opinions might be useful. When created (all the way back in 2002) the article used day-month-year, but it was created using an automated script (I'm not entirely sure what it was converted from though - the Polish article wasn't created until 8 months later) so I don't think that is really usable as a basis for the format to use. Personally I favour day-month-year, but that's nothing more than a personal preference. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ( talk) 02:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I would like to replace the timeline with a summary based on the History of Poland (1918–39) article. Thoughts or objections? Rsloch ( talk) 14:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
«The currency helped Poland to bring under control the massive hyperinflation, the only country in Europe which was able to do this without foreign loans or aid.[15]» I can’t understand the polish source, but I am a bit skeptical about this sentence. Poland wasn’t for sure the only cuntry in Europe without hyperinflation, and that the other countries in Europe avoided Hyperinflation only with external aid seems to me a myth. If ALL the other european countries had hyperinflation or needed external aid to avoid hyperinflation, who could have given such an aid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flauius Claudius Iulianus ( talk • contribs) 13:32, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Presumably, the predecessor of the Second Republic was the Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth; but that state had a King of Poland (who was simultaneously also the Duke of Lithuania). Therefore, by definition, it was not a Republic. Take France, for example: the current state is the Fifth Republic, established in the 1950s, following the Fourth Republic (established after World War II). The First Republic was established in the 1790s, but between the First and Third Republics there were several incarnations of French Empires and reincarnations of the Kingdom of France, which are not numbered among the republics. Firejuggler86 ( talk) 14:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Havsjö: - It is unprofessional to just say "no" as an explanation for reverting content. Some micronations and regions which were not recognized are not appropriate predecessors. Please have a looks at other articles, such as the German Empire. There is no needs for dozens of flags to clutter the infobox. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes, irrelevant content or content which is not mentioned in the article's body should not be placed in the infobox. Oliszydlowski ( talk) 03:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
to remove what was in actual-real-life the political entities which preceded the 2nd Polish republic KoP wasn't a " real life political entity". It was never formed and only existed as proposal with some propaganda measures by German occupiers while they were planning to ethnic cleanse Poles.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 10:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
It was a proposed state, it was never created in the end.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 00:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
increase color contrast in the infobox since the white part of the flag disapears on a very pale light green background. -- Wladek92 ( talk) 17:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
In the list of countries which the Second Polish republic is part of today I found a weird entrance, Latvia.
obviously it was part of Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. parts of czeckia and slovakia were annexed in 1938, those being accounted to. but what part of modern day latvia did it hold? Sandjaar ( talk) 13:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)