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Is the article all done then?
173.121.90.172 ( talk) 02:40, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
The media has gone rampant with the misinformatino that an AR-15 rifle was used in the shootings, when on December 15 many sources indicated that he only used 4 pistols which were recovered in the school. Source: http://www.today.com/video/today/50208495#50208495 -- start about 25 seconds in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.90.137 ( talk) 00:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
From context, perhaps this sentence could read that the 30-round magazine was recovered attached to the rifle. More clear might be: The rifle was recovered with one 30-round magazine attached. The way the article is now, it appears as if over twenty people were killed with a single 30-round magazine, but other sentences imply that he removed some magazines from the rifle before all of the rounds were expended. I may fix this sentence in a few days, but really, these sentences should be gathered together a bit better in my opinion. Fotoguzzi ( talk) 07:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Can someone add this clearer photo http://www.chillnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/adam-lanza-photo-new.jpg of Lanza to the article? The photo that is currently up is somewhat grainy. I'm not sure how to add pictures or if this photo passes Wikipedia standards so can someone help me with this? 24.193.117.119 ( talk) 04:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
This is originally cited to an anonymous source in the New York Daily News. [1] It fits in with previous off the record briefings that police are considering the theory that Adam Lanza was trying to outdo previous killings and run up a video game-style "high score". The problem is that this is not sourced on the record and Lt. Paul Vance, who is leading the investigation, has declined to comment and warned against speculation about a motive.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Let's be serious and let's not start having to build the castle all the way from the foundation - if the investigators found a spreadsheet that they could find laying around the internet just anywhere it would likely be a contributing piece of information but not significant enough to merit the kind of attention it is getting - they did say PHD thesis level so don't give us too much credit here ;-) If Lanza created this then he was very dedicated crazy guy but it could also point to an outside influence - a group of people out there planning to outdo each other in the real world or it could indicate a group of people that might have driven this guy over the edge or encouraged him to do this. I'm certainly not advocating the addition of conjecture but it does seem a bit irresponsible for someone in any law enforcement capacity to leak this to a reporter when the ramifications can be extremely serious....unless the leak is on purpose! The police could be looking for someone and that someone might be at the veritable paper shredder right now destroying their online identies and taking a defibrilator to his hard drives. This is crucial insight into the mind of a very dedicated crazy guy or it could be a thread to some crazy cult of sleeper glory killers. That is very likely why the courts have kept everything sealed. The investigation is ongoing and the police suspect that there might be criminals still uncaught. That's the justanonymous analysis that has no place in the article but the WP:RS source is valid and it meets notability. I hope that answers your so what?- Justanonymous ( talk) 18:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
The following sentence says that the mother had four gunshot wounds to her head: "Investigators later found her [Nancy Lanza's] body, clad in pajamas, in her bed with four gunshot wounds to her head." The source cited, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/16/governor-gunman-shot-self-first-responders-closed/?page=all#pagebreak, mentions no particular number of times that she was shot in the head, only multiple. I move to either amend this sentence to say she was shot twice in the head as reported in the following link: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3632863.ece, or to remove it altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GavinHoak ( talk • contribs) 17:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
According to the search warrant [2] p.6, "The white female sustained an apparent gunshot wound to her forehead." This is a primary source and can't be used as a reference. However, the inconsistency in reporting needs to be addressed in the article. At 5:29 p.m. on Dec 14, the white female inside the house had not been positively identified. USchick ( talk) 23:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Note that "unnamed sources" should be ignored IMHO. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/28/warrants-to-be-released-in-newtown-investigation/?test=latestnews - there are other news stories on this event but some are sort of hard to read through, thought this one was more point-by-point. Still absolutely nothing known/released officially about motive or what is on the smashed hard drives. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 16:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
This article ( http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Cache-of-weapons-found-in-Newtown-gunman-s-home-4390470.php), about documents released today (3/28/2013), notes that "the NRA said Lanza and his mother were not members," but it also says that, among documents found in the Lanza home, was "an NRA certificate that belonged to Adam Lanza."
What would this NRA certificate be? Maybe a certificate he earned from completing a gun safety course? Chisme ( talk) 18:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
According to the article, the number of students enrolled in the school on Nov 30 was 456. If you go to the source, [6] now it says 1,724. The document is dated 12/4/2012 USchick ( talk) 22:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
An editor in another thread commented that it's notable to include notable discrepancies between the established media reports and the police investigation findings?
Just opening this thread for discussion.- Justanonymous ( talk) 23:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
"The incident is the second deadliest school shooting in American history, after the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre. It is the second deadliest mass murder at an American elementary school, after the 1927 Bath School bombings in Michigan"
-- What about columbine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.191.132.124 ( talk) 13:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
The lede has been changed from
"The incident is the second deadliest school shooting in American history, after the 2007
Virginia Tech massacre."
to
"The incident is the second deadliest shooting in American history, after the 2007
Virginia Tech massacre."
I have reverted the change once already, with the explanation that the 2 cited sources stated that Newtown was the second worst school shooting, but that has been changed back with the edit summary of "(correct but also second deadliest shooting massacre of any kind in US history, not just school)". I think it is necessary to keep the previous phrase of 'school shooting' in that sentence because 1)That is what the sources specifically state and 2)It isn't the 2nd worst shooting in US history, not even close...if we're going to just look at events known as massacres, then there's the Colfax massacre, the Mountain Meadows Massacre, the Greenwood Massacre and so on. If we include rampage killers/school massacres then Sandy Hook is simply #3, behind Virginia Tech and Bath School. I think "second deadliest school shooting" is the most appropriate phrase and is also supported by the cited references but want to get additional input from the editorial community on the matter.
Shearonink (
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1. Virginia Tech massacre, 32. 2. Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, 27. 3. Luby's massacre, 23. 4. San Ysidro McDonald's massacre, 21.
The inclusion of the Bath School disaster is a red herring, as none of the deaths was caused directly by a firearm. Andrew Kehoe used a rifle to detonate dynamite to kill himself and others, but this was not a shooting incident.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I've just removed for the 2nd time this passage...
Because of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act passed in 2005, the maker of the weapon used in the shootings cannot be sued for negligence, as occurred after the 2002 Beltway sniper shootings. [1]
The article it references makes the point that the families of the victims of the Sandy Hook shooting cannot sue gun manufacturers because of a law that protects them. This is also true of the Aurora, CO shooting and any others that have occurred since the law's passage.
The question I pose to the group at large is, "So what? How is this factoid WP:DUE?" -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 00:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Since there has been no rebuttal after a lengthy interval, I will replace the information, but not under the subheading of Reactions: Gun control, which may be what caused objection. -- Zeamays ( talk) 18:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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lanza did not use a bushmaster assault style rifle in the killing of any of the victims. This information is verified by police. lanza had left it behind, and the police later recovered the rifle in his mother's car, inside the trunk, outside the school. There is even video showing police recovering the rifle from the trunk. There were 4 hand guns recovered from inside the school.
AlamoT ( talk) 05:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I've just added these sections. They have been added for clarity sake and to help organize future edits. I think that since the school is no longer an active crime scene (though not open yet as far as I am aware), the On-site portion of the investigation is over, but the Off-site investigation will likely go on for months possibly years. I did move some of the information around, but once I noticed the pattern to the information, it seemed like a straightforward contribution to the article. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 17:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the info about a Bushmaster being used, it has been proven that he did not use an assult rifle. Prof.Dair ( talk) 07:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
This has been discussed before but the New York Daily News [8] article on March 18 is somewhat sensationalist and gives excessive weight to the views of politicians who want a crackdown on video games. It has to be repeated that investigators have made no public link with video games and have declined to comment on a motive. Mentioning video games at this stage could be seen as attempting to pre-empt the investigation in a way that has WP:V issues. There is nothing unusual about 20-year-olds playing Call of Duty, but most of them do not massacre schoolchildren.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:39, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Not only should the role of violent video games be considerd, but also the influences of satanism. A former classmate of Lanza's stated that he was a devil worshipper and that he ran a satanic website. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gicantor93 ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
This article and talk page gives far more credence to conspiracy theory lunatics than they deserve. Especially 'unanswered questions'. They ought to be told point blank that they are no different than Holocaust Deniers, no different than Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy Nuts. These comments about the gun used--denying it was a Bushmaster AR 15--still persist. Let's be blunt--call them lunatics and crackpots. StevenTorrey ( talk) 00:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Psychologists know the motivation of school shooters. They call them pseudocommandos. Their mania is created by bullying. Years of bullying, shunning and humiliation drive many youth to suicide. A small number take vengeance on a representative class. Google pseudocommando for a full explanation. Slogun2 ( talk) 00:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
The tagging is not explained. What is wrong here? It is reminiscent of this spoof version:
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-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
I have an issue that you have only shown a photo of the killer, how about showing photos of the innocent victims and not of the killer - there is too much glorifying killers instead of celebrating the lives of the innocent, maybe if we stopped talking about the killer and showing the photo of the killer less of this would happen as most of them do it for notoriety. 121.73.151.118 ( talk) 06:25, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the summary box on the right to include the names of the victims, not the perpetrator.
Xotartfacexo ( talk) 16:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't know how to better word the opening, but this is confusing:
"The incident is the second deadliest shooting in American history, after the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre. It is the second-deadliest mass murder at an American elementary school, after the 1927 Bath School bombings in Michigan."
The meaning is "The only shooting with more dead was the Virginia Tech massacre. The only deadlier mass-murder at an elementary school was the Bath School bombings."
At first, I read it as if the second sentence was saying that it was the second-deadliest shooting, same as the first sentence but more specific. That would be contradictory. Gatonom Nyan 05:33, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Re: "The Virginia Tech massacre was not a murder, but was the deadliest shooting in American history."
How wasn't the "The Virginia Tech massacre" murder? I notice, by the way, that the Wikipedia article about it calls it a murder. Should that article be changed then? Why? TheScotch ( talk) 09:12, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Why aren't we calling this terrorism? If terrorism is "the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion" according to Wikipedia's own definition, this is clearly terrorism. Adam Lanza planned this act systematically. He clearly had an agenda. It seems to me the only reason not to call this terrorism is that Lanza clearly isn't Muslim. But to do that is entirely non-objective. In fact, we know much less about the motive behind the Boston Marathon bombing, yet that is being labeled "terrorism." Double standard anyone? Ibnsina786 ( talk) 00:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Page of ct.gov says Canta-12 not "Saiga-12".
4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)
I think this can be some top-secret weapon for special forces. Why "Saiga-12" is written in the article? ` a5b ( talk) 03:15, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
"CANTA" is the way someone who did not understand the Cyrillic alphabet would attempt to pronounce/read SAIGA Gaijin42 ( talk) 14:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia has attempted to cover the subject in a professional manner. In this case there are far more questions than there are answers. Those answers should have long been available and they still are not. At this point I believe the only reliable answers we are going to get would take a grand jury and I do not see that coming probably for the same reasons we do not have the answers. Let this be a site to list all the unanswered questions which should really be answered under oath before a grand jury.
1. Where are the videos known to be in existance?
2. Where are the supposedly hundreds of photographs supposedly taken?
3. Why did all the original report state that two hand guns were used, one a 9mm (.357cal.) and a 40 cal. semi automatics and a Colt type semi automatic rifle was found on the back seat of his mother's white sedan pictured in the parking lot? The "official" story being told today is supposed perpetrator arrived in a black sedan pictured in the non-mainstream media including the licience plate number as belonging to another identified person, a known sexual predator and a shot gun is also pictured in a after dark seen being unloaded in the opened trunk of the vehicle.
4. Why do we not have the name of the adult wounded?
5. Who were the two persons dressed similarly apprehended outside the school and video recorded including the apprehension of one and both in handcuffs?
6. Why were two girls listed as dead and one shows up with Obama on television and the other is now recognized as not a student at Sandy Hook?
7. Is not the supposed Conn. State's Coroner capable telling the public the caliber used when the difference between a .223 cal. .55 gain rifle bullet, originally a varmint bullet before being adopted by the military to "inflict casualties no kill the enemeys" vs. hand gun ammunition usually weighting 2.5 to almost 4.0 times that weight designed to kill, not wound and many time the area direct impacted type of wound? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.114.50.51 ( talk) 10:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Since only mainstream media is accepted as a reliable source, how about we take video showing Robbie Parker the father of one of the supposedly slain children and the most publicized person in this event, smiling a day after and appearing to change to a sad crying stance just before he gets on camera, and then posing smiling with obama for a photo op and then setting up a donations page on facebook the day after the shootings? Is any of that natural? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.44.158 ( talk) 10:37, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
8. Toxicology/drug test report status/results ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.188.230 ( talk) 06:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
9. Why is there no list of those killed and injured? If one looks at similar shootings (such as Columbine) there is a full list of those killed and injured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.246.223 ( talk) 16:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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I would like to add this recently published report to the References section. 15 renowned experts gave their opinions on Post-Sandy Hook School Security... http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/Channel/School-Safety/News/2013/04/20/Security-Experts-Schools-Should-Conduct-Risk-Assessments-Consider-Hiring-SROs.aspx
It would read "Post-Sandy Hook School Security: What the Experts Are Saying. Campus Safety Magazine" Umbrella8880 ( talk) 14:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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99.43.12.217 ( talk) 15:22, 5 May 2013 (UTC) Under the heading REACTIONS, subheading GUN CONTROL, the first sentence of the last paragraph currently reads: On April 17, 2013, the bill that would have seen the restrictions on gun control failed to pass legislation after failing six votes short when four Republicans and Democrats blocked all the proposals stating that "expanding background checks, at gun shows or elsewhere, will not reduce violent crime or keep our kids safe in their schools."
It should read: On April 17, 2013, the bill that would have seen the restrictions on gun control failed to pass legislation after falling six votes short when four 4 Democrats and 41 Republicans in the Senate blocked all the proposals stating that "expanding background checks, at gun shows or elsewhere, will not reduce violent crime or keep our kids safe in their schools."
Reference: http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/senate/1/97
Is there enough information to warrant having a seperate article about the shooter himself? I think there ought to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.212.231.242 ( talk) 01:39, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Where it says- It is the most deadly school shooting in any public school in the United States, that is incorrect because Virginia Tech is a Public University (and thus a Public School). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.19.20 ( talk) 01:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
"On June 15, 2013, a playground at Long Lots Elementary School, Westport, Connecticut was dedicated to Dylan Hockley. [2]"
Where would this fit in the article? Soffredo ( talk) 01:34, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Where is the list of the victims of this shooting? I expected to find one here, given the other events (e.g. Fort Hood shooting). I saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vp5rR2R2Rjg claiming there were no victims; I thought I'd come here to find a list to show, "Here are the people who died: It's not a hoax." But there's no list! I understand that they were minors, but I don't see how publishing a list of the victims is a problem. -- Newagelink ( talk) 21:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC) Edit: The NY times article cited mentions six adults: Surely at least _they_ should be listed! -- Newagelink ( talk) 21:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Nancy Lanza was a broker, dealer and agent at Morgan Stanley Smith Barney;if not mentioning her company directly, it would be appropriate at least to give her vocation, given that her ex-husband's vocation is cited. 96.42.32.55 ( talk) 23:07, 16 June 2013 (UTC)Dannel
Nancy Elaine Lanza was a dealer, agent and broker with Morgan Stanley Smith Barney; it would be appropriate to list her vocation as well as Peter Lanza's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.32.55 ( talk) 23:23, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
"Mass Murders Captivated Online User Believed To Be Adam Lanza".
What Wikipedia userid did Adam Lanza use? Is there a policy about Wikipedia edits made by mass murderers? -- Green Cardamom ( talk) 05:10, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Further discussion here. -- Green Cardamom ( talk) 15:33, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
References
Because someone tried to add it and was reverted. I'd like to make a few points here:
Don't know what happened, but the reversion deleted my edit summary & I don't want to edit the article to make the edit summary "stick" so here is the longer version:
Shearonink ( talk) 18:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Eugen_Hamerle posted this comment on 16 July 2013 ( view all feedback).
A timeline would be informative.
Any thoughts?
Techdude3331 ( talk) 22:25, 16 July 2013 (UTC) Can someone find the information for one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techdude3331 ( talk • contribs) 22:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that someone has created a Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting category and its almost entirely populated by redirect pages for each (but not all) of the victims. Is there some legitimate purpose to this or is someone trying to pull an " end run" around WP:NOTMEMORIAL? -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 05:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Done, its gone... --
Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (
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I think it should be pointed out that the text, "According to the New York Times, two law enforcement officials who were initially involved in the investigation said they believed that Adam Lanza had spent most of his time in the basement of the home, primarily playing a warfare video game, Call of Duty." is a non sequitur [11](That is based off the opinion, that is not backed by study, that video games cause violent acts) and should be changed to something along the lines of, "According to the New York Times, law enforcement officials commented that Adam Lanza would spend most of his time in his basement doing solitary activities. Some of which include playing video games." That last sentence could be removed as it really is not necessary to the article. -- Snupher ( talk) 16:47, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
In the Perpetrator section it says Adam died in "Newton", Connecticut. Doopliss von grapple 2.0 ( talk) 02:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
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There is no proof that this happened or that Adam Lanza was involved. NO Proof. 192.172.14.69 ( talk) 11:44, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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Since its reference is blacklisted and its assertion is outdated, please replace "Within 15 hours of the incident, 100,000 Americans signed a petition at the Obama administration's We the People petitioning website in support of a renewed national debate on gun control." with "Nearly 200,000 people signed a petition at the Obama administration's We the People petitioning website in support of stricter gun control legislation." [1] 174.66.197.19 ( talk) 23:27, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
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Previous change still isn't right:
should be
i.e. no quotation marks, and "People" shouldn't be capitalized. 174.66.197.19 ( talk) 12:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Why is it relevant to constantly mention the AR had a 30 round magazine? Why were the magazine capacities for the other firearms not mentioned? I think the reason is political. Other wise all the firearms would have their capacities mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.118.151 ( talk) 05:28, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Both the Glock and Sig have standard capacity magazines that are higher than 10. So why is that not mentioned. I think this is a bias against AR style rifles with standard capacity magazines. To be balanced you must either mention the capacity of all firearms or not mention the capacity at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.108.120 ( talk) 18:06, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Section 2 seems to contradict itself - the last part of the second paragraph says the morning announcements were interrupted, while the first part of the fourth paragraph says morning announcements were either interrupted and someone turned on the intercom. There also seems to be some confusion over whether Hochsprung and the other teachers were in a staff meeting or doing announcements when they first heard the shots. Ordinarily this wouldn't be a big deal, but since this is an important article, the first one to come up on a bing or google search, I think it is important we get our facts straight about the timeline and what exactly happened. There was alot of misinformation that came out in the early reporting of this story, but by this point there should be some official source giving a correct and detailed report of what happened when.-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 18:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
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Please add new information to the 'Reactions' section. Newtown, MA residents voted in October 2013 to demolish Sandy Hook Elementary and construct a new building at the same site. The demolition will be funded by $50 million in state money.
Source: http://www.wbur.org/npr/229797855/the-votes-are-in-sandy-hook-elementary-will-be-torn-down
Anevaude ( talk) 14:24, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Here are some references that you can use for this article:
I wondered when the vote would come up. Thank you for the follow up. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 17:19, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Done
"There were initially conflicting reports on whether Nancy Lanza had worked as a volunteer at the Sandy Hook Elementary School.[126]" It raises the question, but doesn't actually say if it's true or not. (sorry forgot to sign 67.80.83.53 ( talk) 20:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.83.53 ( talk) 19:58, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
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two consecutive "and"s in "shooting" section
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Done
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— 188.24.70.1 ( talk) 11:07, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
There are a number of news articles about it...here's one from fox with screenshots. http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/11/20/video-game-based-on-sandy-hook-massacre-draws-cries-outrage/
24.136.94.214 ( talk) 05:56, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't seem likely that a few bullet holes and some streaks of blood would be anything that some grout, some plaster, some detergent and a few mops couldn't deal with for much less cost than tearing down the whole school and building another one in its place. Who were the members of this "task force" and what were their reasons for treating a small problem with a very expensive remedy, when a much cheaper remedy would almost certainly have sufficed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.197.29 ( talk) 18:51, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
I think the timeline should be updated to match that of the "States Attorney Official" report. In the "Official" report it states that shooting started at 9:35 and the police on the scene heard the last gunshot at 9:40 a.m. this is page 9-10 of the official report Cite error: There are <ref>
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/187052598/Official-Sandy-Hook-Report — Preceding
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The documents from the case are WP:PRIMARY source material and need to be handled with care. For example, the RM 10 section says that the wire frame glasses that were found near Lanza's body were "consistent with child size glasses. There was no deceased child in close proximity to the shooter's body." This raises more questions than it answers, because it appears to suggest that the glasses were not Lanza's, but does not say whose they were. Similarly, a large amount of detail about the trajectory of the shot Lanza used to kill himself is not really necessary. Most media reports say that he killed himself with a shot to the head from the Glock, and that is enough for practical purposes. The key details of the case have appeared in the media and are in the final report summary. The documents go into much more detail, but should be used only for incontrovertible statements of fact.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:35, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
There's a wealth of information about him that came out recently and considering that James Eagan Holmes and Seung the Virgina Tech shooter have pages, shouldn't Adam Lanza have one? CaptainPrimo ( talk) 07:44, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
AGAINST - Agreed, for all of the reasons stated. I concur with Just, Masem, et. al. and their opinions, there are far better articles worthy of our attention. Furthermore, the existence of similarly themed or focused articles should never be sole justification for another article. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 16:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Since there have been several requests for the article to say whether Adam Lanza was taking prescription medication at the time of the shooting, this is what the final report has to say on the issue: "Efforts were made within the limits of privacy laws to gather information on medical consultations and/or treatments the shooter was involved with over the course of his years in Newtown. In doing so, investigators found no evidence to suggest the shooter had taken any medication that would affect his behavior or by any means to explain his actions on December 14, 2012." The report also says that he was recommended medication in 2006 but did not take it. None of this gives a simple yes or no answer to whether Lanza was taking medication at the time of the shooting, but the article should include a summary of this information.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:37, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, it's shady that the report said "investigators found no evidence to suggest the shooter had taken any medication that would affect his behavior or by any means to explain his actions" instead of "Adam was not on any medication." That says to me that he was on psychiatric medication. 64.20.12.142 ( talk) 06:19, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
The weapons listed in the box to the left side should have commas after them, otherwise its difficult to identify the types and number of weapons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Todd4069 ( talk • contribs) 19:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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20:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)We're trying to settle the event start given the latest information. First 9:11 was called at 9:35:39 per the official report. The shooting started shortly after the 9:30 staff meeting. Doors were locked at 9:30. So between 9:30 and 9:35 is the best I can find. Can we pore through the official attorney's official record and get the best time possible? Hatzing, thank you for your patience, let's get the best most recent information possible. - Justanonymous ( talk) 01:20, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I found on page 9 of the official report from November 25th 2013, state "shortly after 9:30".- Justanonymous ( talk) 01:29, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
This edit is correct. Adam Lanza carried a 9mm SIG Sauer P226 into the school but did not fire it. [16] The only guns fired inside the school were the Bushmaster (which killed all of the victims) and the 10mm Glock, which he used to kill himself. The SIG Sauer P226 should not be in the infobox because this is misleading, although it should be mentioned in the text of the article.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:04, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:STRONGNAT and WP:DATERET, the system used to delineate the dates should be rendered as (month name) (date), (year), for instance as December 14, 2012 instead of 14 December 2012. I reverted a dating change and was unable to render the Edit Summary for an explanation. Shearonink ( talk) 01:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Re this edit. The only previous shooting which the final report considered to be a particular fascination for Adam Lanza was the 1999 Columbine High School massacre. It does not say that he was inspired by the 2011 Norway attacks of Anders Behring Breivik, despite law enforcement officials claiming this to the media in February 2013. It mentions that Lanza had a 2008 newspaper cutting about the Northern Illinois University shooting, which does not support the the claim of a strong fascination. It mentions the 2006 Amish school shooting only once, noting that he had a copy of the 2007 book Amish Grace: How Forgiveness Transcended Tragedy.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
The newly released documents are on the ct.gov website here. The site asks people not to download them unless they really need them. I downloaded the 720 MB version, and it is both enormous and not all that useful. The mainstream media coverage contains all of the important points.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Re this edit Lanza fired the Glock twice and two shell casings were recovered. One shot killed him, but the reason for the other is unknown. It is possible (and obviously WP:OR) that he was having difficulty with the gun and fired a test shot to see if it was working before putting it to his head. The final report says that the Glock found next to Lanza's body "appeared to be jammed".-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:40, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
They've even outlined it.
He had "homosexual fantasies"
-- Slenderdan ( talk) 18:35, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
The wording in the New York Daily News story about homosexuality is taken from one of the documents released in December 2013. It says an instant messaging account history between December 2010 and February 2011 focuses on "gaming, homosexual fantasies, and day to day activities." As for the claim that Lanza appeared on a radio phone in show, this has excited the media, but is based on one person saying that the voice is definitely him, and another who thinks that it is him. This is reminiscent of the claim that Lanza edited Wikipedia, which was widely reported as a fact in parts of the media, even though Wikipedia did not confirm this because there was insufficient evidence. If this is in the article, it should stop short of saying that it is definitely Lanza in the phone in recording, and give the assessment from the source accurately.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:33, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Why is there no detailed page for Adam Lanza??? Like for example the Columnbine High School shooters Dylan Klebold ,and Eric Harris. or Ted Bundy or Richard Ramirez....... Is wikipedia an independent organization or is it doing what its told? ... Or are there no real Lanzas therefore no real history to write about. I find it hard to believe that no one has dug into this familys history or lack thereof id love an honest answer on this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.130.159.177 ( talk) 09:26, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Because of WP:OTHERSTUFF. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 19:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
While I agree that a list of the names of all of the victims is not 100% necessary (this has been debated before), I don't agree that the article is too long or should be split, per WP:CONTENTFORK. The length of articles is governed by WP:SIZERULE, and at around 40 kB there is no immediate need to do this.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I know after the official report was released it gave a lot more information on the shooting. However, the part of the article that talks about the shooting in Ms. Soto's class is really cluttered and confusing. Is there any way to clean it up better? Benbuff91 2:13, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Did a clean-up and re-organizing of the shootings in Soto's class. I still believe Lanza entered her classroom first but decided to not add that part. All speculative information has been deleted, to allow a better reading experience. Hatzing ( talk) 07:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
What happened to the names of the victims? B-Machine ( talk) 17:33, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if this has been discussed before. I believe Massacre is a more fitting word for the title of the article, given the number of people killed. "Shooting" is a more Monotonous word, and I think massacre should be implemented into the title. Hatzing ( talk) 19:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Shooting is a more precise word, "massacre" would be more vague and implies something other than just shooting. It was a massacre, but it was more specifically a shooting, so the current title is clearly superior. John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 13:38, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
I did a fast check of the first ten references....looks like "shooting" is most common, with "tragedy" a close second, "massacre" a distant third, and "slaughter" 4th. North8000 ( talk) 18:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
In the article it states
".....and believe that it was Lanza shooting himself in the lower rear portion of his head with the Glock 20SF" and
"The Glock was found apparently jammed near the shooter"
If the weapon was jammed, it doesnt make sense that he used it to kill himself. Is this a factual error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.78.25.119 ( talk) 15:20, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
There is a citation error at the bottom of the page, would somebody mind fixing this?
Robert4565 ( talk) 21:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Adam Lanza had "homosexual fantasies" ... Should a LGBT category be considered? -- Japanesehelper ( talk) 01:40, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Anyone have an image of the demolition of the school? Has it happened yet? If we are going to add an image to the Community Impact section, that seems like a good candidate. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 05:42, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
This article features a section on the possible link of video games to the shooting, however doesn't mention anything about the possible link of antidepressants or other psychotic drugs. In the US today, 11% of people 12 and over take antidepressant medication, a number quickly rising. This number has recently risen, which corresponds well with the alarming recent increase in school shooting. Many labels on medications feature warnings about the possible links towards increased suicidal and/or homicidal tendencies.
In the article at present, there are two mentions of drugs. The first states "Investigators evaluated Lanza's body, looking for evidence of drugs or medication through toxicology tests." however has no results posted. The linked reference only indicates toxicology is underway and contains no other mention of 'drug', 'medication', or 'toxicology'.
The other mention states "The report found no evidence that Lanza had taken drugs or medication that would have affected his behavior", however this is cited to two links that make no mention I could find of 'drug', 'medication', or 'toxicology'.
I was not able to find any conclusive report of whether or not he was on medication or not. So, we can only use testimony of those around him and known events to speculate. In 0:53 of this video, Mark and Louise Tambascio, family friends of the shooter and his mother, explain to CBS that they believe he was on medication.
There is also a video of Connecticut Medical Examiner, H. Wayne Carver, M.D., arbitrarily denying the request to release the toxicology report, even though this goes against law.
I would like to know if anyone can obtain the sources of the actual toxicology report, and any medication Adam Lanza may have been on prior to the shootings. Specifically, had he recently stopped taking a particular medication or recently changed his prescription? Azoundria ( talk) 22:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
In regards to citation 53 on this article. Sally Cox reported the shooter wearing "boots". I am in possession of evidence provided by the State Police department of Connecticut. This evidence shows clearly that the shooter was not wearing boots. Instead he was wearing black shoes. In what manner should the article be edited to reflect this evidence? Doubtlessly, there are other aspects of this article which do not match crime scene evidence, this being one example. Miloserdia ( talk) 21:20, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Why is the footwear of the shooter relevant to an an encyclopedia article? This seems like trivia that should be removed, regardless of what the footwear was. Gaijin42 ( talk) 15:32, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
In the article it states
".....and believe that it was Lanza shooting himself in the lower rear portion of his head with the Glock 20SF" and
"The Glock was found apparently jammed near the shooter"
If the weapon was jammed, it doesnt make sense that he used it to kill himself. Is this a factual error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.78.25.119 ( talk) 15:20, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
He appears to be making a media run, lots of comments from the father.
Gaijin42 ( talk) 14:42, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Second paragraph of the perpetrator's article has a sentence repeated.
With the removal of the table of victims, apparently the casualty total has also been removed. I just read the article from top to bottom and I only see mentioned in passing that one girl survived. I was unable to find out how many people died. 208.127.245.193 ( talk) 22:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
The victims list table was recently
removed. (If you'd like to see what the table looked like, it can be found
here.) The issue of having a table or list of the victims in this article has been discussed on this talk page before, but it might be time to revisit the matter again. The most relevant previous discussion is found in
Archive 6:
List of victims revisited (Do we need it? Opinions sought).
As I said in the last discussion about the list, in my opinion
WP:MEMORIAL is not applicable. The victims list had only the names & the ages of the victims, it did not give personal or hagiographic details for the individuals such as would occur within an obituary or a memorial, of the type like the person loved their pet dog or was the wonderful mother of three and so on. Also,
WP:MEMORIAL only refers to article subjects and says nothing about content within articles, stating that "Subjects of encyclopedia articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements".
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Where's the Sandbox that the collapsed list is being setup? Link please... -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 17:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
This article is Glaringly incomplete without a list of victims, at the very least there should be a prominent link to such a list. The list of victims is one of the main things people are looking for when they come to this article.John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 13:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
OK everyone... Over there on the right is the victims list as it previously appeared in the article. I wanted to post the table here so fellow editors can see what it looked like. I liked this table, I thought it presented sourced material about the dead in a factual manner without going into too many details, I just don't understand how to give it (in this state), a "Show/Hide" button.
I tried to find some WikiProject or think of some superduper editor who could help me do this and couldn't find a Wiki page or think of anyone so it's going here. Surely one of the 304 editors who have this article on their watchlist could lend a hand...please?
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Since I cannot edit this page for some reason I would like to tell someone who can that the Photo of Adam Lanza on this page with the blue background is labeled incorrectly. It says that is a yearbook photo which is NOT true. This photo is the photo from his Driver's License. It's a DMV photograph. So can someone please change that because its driving me nuts!
Kaynbread ( talk) 02:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Folks, if you click the photo and check its attributes, it clearly says that its a yearbook photo. Unless we get the uploader of the image to change this, we have no credible reason to doubt this. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 17:05, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Why should we not include stuff about Adam Lanza possibly using "Kaynbred" to edit Wikipedia and post on gun-related online forums if it's well sourced? [24] If there's a good answer, I think it should be added to the FAQ. Jinkinson talk to me 05:18, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Re this edit: Since it was not vandalism, it should not have been reverted with no indication of what the problem was. During the investigation, law enforcement officials told the media a whole load of things that were not backed up by the final report. This was previously discussed at Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting/Archive_7#Influences_on_Lanza. The ABC News citation does not mention the 2011 Norway attacks at all, and the final report considered that only the Columbine High School massacre was a particular fascination for Lanza. The ABC News cite says that he had a "large amount of materials relating to Columbine shootings and documents on mass murders". The Amish and Illinois shootings are mentioned elsewhere in the article, but are given only a passing mention in the final report, and do not support the claim of a strong fascination.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:40, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Please forgive me for not understanding the WP copyright policies better, but is there a way to use an image of the artist rendering of the new Sandy Hook School that is permitted within WP guidelines and such? I've added paragraphs about the two recent announcements and the image pertains to one of them. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 15:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I made an edit to remove the political debate related commentary from this section, and two Users have been reverting it. This is the simplified version I am in favor of that removes remarks from any politicians and commentary by the NRA. The article is about the shooting and the section about gun control related activities that came about as a result. We have plenty of factual information in the article about guns and gun legislation already, can't we keep the gun debate out of this article? Your thoughts? -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 18:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Evidence suggests that Lanza entered Soto's room, before entering Lauren Rousseau's room. The two jungle-taped magazines were found in Soto's room, and they were the two mags that were in the rifle when he shot through the glass entrance. It only makes sense that he entered her classroom first, before moving on to Rousseau's room. Consider revising to support this? Hatzing ( talk) 18:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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Is the article all done then?
173.121.90.172 ( talk) 02:40, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
The media has gone rampant with the misinformatino that an AR-15 rifle was used in the shootings, when on December 15 many sources indicated that he only used 4 pistols which were recovered in the school. Source: http://www.today.com/video/today/50208495#50208495 -- start about 25 seconds in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.90.137 ( talk) 00:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
From context, perhaps this sentence could read that the 30-round magazine was recovered attached to the rifle. More clear might be: The rifle was recovered with one 30-round magazine attached. The way the article is now, it appears as if over twenty people were killed with a single 30-round magazine, but other sentences imply that he removed some magazines from the rifle before all of the rounds were expended. I may fix this sentence in a few days, but really, these sentences should be gathered together a bit better in my opinion. Fotoguzzi ( talk) 07:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Can someone add this clearer photo http://www.chillnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/adam-lanza-photo-new.jpg of Lanza to the article? The photo that is currently up is somewhat grainy. I'm not sure how to add pictures or if this photo passes Wikipedia standards so can someone help me with this? 24.193.117.119 ( talk) 04:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
This is originally cited to an anonymous source in the New York Daily News. [1] It fits in with previous off the record briefings that police are considering the theory that Adam Lanza was trying to outdo previous killings and run up a video game-style "high score". The problem is that this is not sourced on the record and Lt. Paul Vance, who is leading the investigation, has declined to comment and warned against speculation about a motive.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Let's be serious and let's not start having to build the castle all the way from the foundation - if the investigators found a spreadsheet that they could find laying around the internet just anywhere it would likely be a contributing piece of information but not significant enough to merit the kind of attention it is getting - they did say PHD thesis level so don't give us too much credit here ;-) If Lanza created this then he was very dedicated crazy guy but it could also point to an outside influence - a group of people out there planning to outdo each other in the real world or it could indicate a group of people that might have driven this guy over the edge or encouraged him to do this. I'm certainly not advocating the addition of conjecture but it does seem a bit irresponsible for someone in any law enforcement capacity to leak this to a reporter when the ramifications can be extremely serious....unless the leak is on purpose! The police could be looking for someone and that someone might be at the veritable paper shredder right now destroying their online identies and taking a defibrilator to his hard drives. This is crucial insight into the mind of a very dedicated crazy guy or it could be a thread to some crazy cult of sleeper glory killers. That is very likely why the courts have kept everything sealed. The investigation is ongoing and the police suspect that there might be criminals still uncaught. That's the justanonymous analysis that has no place in the article but the WP:RS source is valid and it meets notability. I hope that answers your so what?- Justanonymous ( talk) 18:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
The following sentence says that the mother had four gunshot wounds to her head: "Investigators later found her [Nancy Lanza's] body, clad in pajamas, in her bed with four gunshot wounds to her head." The source cited, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/16/governor-gunman-shot-self-first-responders-closed/?page=all#pagebreak, mentions no particular number of times that she was shot in the head, only multiple. I move to either amend this sentence to say she was shot twice in the head as reported in the following link: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3632863.ece, or to remove it altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GavinHoak ( talk • contribs) 17:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
According to the search warrant [2] p.6, "The white female sustained an apparent gunshot wound to her forehead." This is a primary source and can't be used as a reference. However, the inconsistency in reporting needs to be addressed in the article. At 5:29 p.m. on Dec 14, the white female inside the house had not been positively identified. USchick ( talk) 23:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Note that "unnamed sources" should be ignored IMHO. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/28/warrants-to-be-released-in-newtown-investigation/?test=latestnews - there are other news stories on this event but some are sort of hard to read through, thought this one was more point-by-point. Still absolutely nothing known/released officially about motive or what is on the smashed hard drives. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 16:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
This article ( http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Cache-of-weapons-found-in-Newtown-gunman-s-home-4390470.php), about documents released today (3/28/2013), notes that "the NRA said Lanza and his mother were not members," but it also says that, among documents found in the Lanza home, was "an NRA certificate that belonged to Adam Lanza."
What would this NRA certificate be? Maybe a certificate he earned from completing a gun safety course? Chisme ( talk) 18:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
According to the article, the number of students enrolled in the school on Nov 30 was 456. If you go to the source, [6] now it says 1,724. The document is dated 12/4/2012 USchick ( talk) 22:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
An editor in another thread commented that it's notable to include notable discrepancies between the established media reports and the police investigation findings?
Just opening this thread for discussion.- Justanonymous ( talk) 23:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
"The incident is the second deadliest school shooting in American history, after the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre. It is the second deadliest mass murder at an American elementary school, after the 1927 Bath School bombings in Michigan"
-- What about columbine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.191.132.124 ( talk) 13:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
The lede has been changed from
"The incident is the second deadliest school shooting in American history, after the 2007
Virginia Tech massacre."
to
"The incident is the second deadliest shooting in American history, after the 2007
Virginia Tech massacre."
I have reverted the change once already, with the explanation that the 2 cited sources stated that Newtown was the second worst school shooting, but that has been changed back with the edit summary of "(correct but also second deadliest shooting massacre of any kind in US history, not just school)". I think it is necessary to keep the previous phrase of 'school shooting' in that sentence because 1)That is what the sources specifically state and 2)It isn't the 2nd worst shooting in US history, not even close...if we're going to just look at events known as massacres, then there's the Colfax massacre, the Mountain Meadows Massacre, the Greenwood Massacre and so on. If we include rampage killers/school massacres then Sandy Hook is simply #3, behind Virginia Tech and Bath School. I think "second deadliest school shooting" is the most appropriate phrase and is also supported by the cited references but want to get additional input from the editorial community on the matter.
Shearonink (
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1. Virginia Tech massacre, 32. 2. Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, 27. 3. Luby's massacre, 23. 4. San Ysidro McDonald's massacre, 21.
The inclusion of the Bath School disaster is a red herring, as none of the deaths was caused directly by a firearm. Andrew Kehoe used a rifle to detonate dynamite to kill himself and others, but this was not a shooting incident.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I've just removed for the 2nd time this passage...
Because of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act passed in 2005, the maker of the weapon used in the shootings cannot be sued for negligence, as occurred after the 2002 Beltway sniper shootings. [1]
The article it references makes the point that the families of the victims of the Sandy Hook shooting cannot sue gun manufacturers because of a law that protects them. This is also true of the Aurora, CO shooting and any others that have occurred since the law's passage.
The question I pose to the group at large is, "So what? How is this factoid WP:DUE?" -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 00:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Since there has been no rebuttal after a lengthy interval, I will replace the information, but not under the subheading of Reactions: Gun control, which may be what caused objection. -- Zeamays ( talk) 18:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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lanza did not use a bushmaster assault style rifle in the killing of any of the victims. This information is verified by police. lanza had left it behind, and the police later recovered the rifle in his mother's car, inside the trunk, outside the school. There is even video showing police recovering the rifle from the trunk. There were 4 hand guns recovered from inside the school.
AlamoT ( talk) 05:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I've just added these sections. They have been added for clarity sake and to help organize future edits. I think that since the school is no longer an active crime scene (though not open yet as far as I am aware), the On-site portion of the investigation is over, but the Off-site investigation will likely go on for months possibly years. I did move some of the information around, but once I noticed the pattern to the information, it seemed like a straightforward contribution to the article. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 17:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the info about a Bushmaster being used, it has been proven that he did not use an assult rifle. Prof.Dair ( talk) 07:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
This has been discussed before but the New York Daily News [8] article on March 18 is somewhat sensationalist and gives excessive weight to the views of politicians who want a crackdown on video games. It has to be repeated that investigators have made no public link with video games and have declined to comment on a motive. Mentioning video games at this stage could be seen as attempting to pre-empt the investigation in a way that has WP:V issues. There is nothing unusual about 20-year-olds playing Call of Duty, but most of them do not massacre schoolchildren.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:39, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Not only should the role of violent video games be considerd, but also the influences of satanism. A former classmate of Lanza's stated that he was a devil worshipper and that he ran a satanic website. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gicantor93 ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
This article and talk page gives far more credence to conspiracy theory lunatics than they deserve. Especially 'unanswered questions'. They ought to be told point blank that they are no different than Holocaust Deniers, no different than Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy Nuts. These comments about the gun used--denying it was a Bushmaster AR 15--still persist. Let's be blunt--call them lunatics and crackpots. StevenTorrey ( talk) 00:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Psychologists know the motivation of school shooters. They call them pseudocommandos. Their mania is created by bullying. Years of bullying, shunning and humiliation drive many youth to suicide. A small number take vengeance on a representative class. Google pseudocommando for a full explanation. Slogun2 ( talk) 00:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
The tagging is not explained. What is wrong here? It is reminiscent of this spoof version:
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-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
I have an issue that you have only shown a photo of the killer, how about showing photos of the innocent victims and not of the killer - there is too much glorifying killers instead of celebrating the lives of the innocent, maybe if we stopped talking about the killer and showing the photo of the killer less of this would happen as most of them do it for notoriety. 121.73.151.118 ( talk) 06:25, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the summary box on the right to include the names of the victims, not the perpetrator.
Xotartfacexo ( talk) 16:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't know how to better word the opening, but this is confusing:
"The incident is the second deadliest shooting in American history, after the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre. It is the second-deadliest mass murder at an American elementary school, after the 1927 Bath School bombings in Michigan."
The meaning is "The only shooting with more dead was the Virginia Tech massacre. The only deadlier mass-murder at an elementary school was the Bath School bombings."
At first, I read it as if the second sentence was saying that it was the second-deadliest shooting, same as the first sentence but more specific. That would be contradictory. Gatonom Nyan 05:33, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Re: "The Virginia Tech massacre was not a murder, but was the deadliest shooting in American history."
How wasn't the "The Virginia Tech massacre" murder? I notice, by the way, that the Wikipedia article about it calls it a murder. Should that article be changed then? Why? TheScotch ( talk) 09:12, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Why aren't we calling this terrorism? If terrorism is "the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion" according to Wikipedia's own definition, this is clearly terrorism. Adam Lanza planned this act systematically. He clearly had an agenda. It seems to me the only reason not to call this terrorism is that Lanza clearly isn't Muslim. But to do that is entirely non-objective. In fact, we know much less about the motive behind the Boston Marathon bombing, yet that is being labeled "terrorism." Double standard anyone? Ibnsina786 ( talk) 00:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Page of ct.gov says Canta-12 not "Saiga-12".
4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)
I think this can be some top-secret weapon for special forces. Why "Saiga-12" is written in the article? ` a5b ( talk) 03:15, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
"CANTA" is the way someone who did not understand the Cyrillic alphabet would attempt to pronounce/read SAIGA Gaijin42 ( talk) 14:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia has attempted to cover the subject in a professional manner. In this case there are far more questions than there are answers. Those answers should have long been available and they still are not. At this point I believe the only reliable answers we are going to get would take a grand jury and I do not see that coming probably for the same reasons we do not have the answers. Let this be a site to list all the unanswered questions which should really be answered under oath before a grand jury.
1. Where are the videos known to be in existance?
2. Where are the supposedly hundreds of photographs supposedly taken?
3. Why did all the original report state that two hand guns were used, one a 9mm (.357cal.) and a 40 cal. semi automatics and a Colt type semi automatic rifle was found on the back seat of his mother's white sedan pictured in the parking lot? The "official" story being told today is supposed perpetrator arrived in a black sedan pictured in the non-mainstream media including the licience plate number as belonging to another identified person, a known sexual predator and a shot gun is also pictured in a after dark seen being unloaded in the opened trunk of the vehicle.
4. Why do we not have the name of the adult wounded?
5. Who were the two persons dressed similarly apprehended outside the school and video recorded including the apprehension of one and both in handcuffs?
6. Why were two girls listed as dead and one shows up with Obama on television and the other is now recognized as not a student at Sandy Hook?
7. Is not the supposed Conn. State's Coroner capable telling the public the caliber used when the difference between a .223 cal. .55 gain rifle bullet, originally a varmint bullet before being adopted by the military to "inflict casualties no kill the enemeys" vs. hand gun ammunition usually weighting 2.5 to almost 4.0 times that weight designed to kill, not wound and many time the area direct impacted type of wound? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.114.50.51 ( talk) 10:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Since only mainstream media is accepted as a reliable source, how about we take video showing Robbie Parker the father of one of the supposedly slain children and the most publicized person in this event, smiling a day after and appearing to change to a sad crying stance just before he gets on camera, and then posing smiling with obama for a photo op and then setting up a donations page on facebook the day after the shootings? Is any of that natural? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.44.158 ( talk) 10:37, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
8. Toxicology/drug test report status/results ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.188.230 ( talk) 06:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
9. Why is there no list of those killed and injured? If one looks at similar shootings (such as Columbine) there is a full list of those killed and injured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.246.223 ( talk) 16:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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I would like to add this recently published report to the References section. 15 renowned experts gave their opinions on Post-Sandy Hook School Security... http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/Channel/School-Safety/News/2013/04/20/Security-Experts-Schools-Should-Conduct-Risk-Assessments-Consider-Hiring-SROs.aspx
It would read "Post-Sandy Hook School Security: What the Experts Are Saying. Campus Safety Magazine" Umbrella8880 ( talk) 14:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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99.43.12.217 ( talk) 15:22, 5 May 2013 (UTC) Under the heading REACTIONS, subheading GUN CONTROL, the first sentence of the last paragraph currently reads: On April 17, 2013, the bill that would have seen the restrictions on gun control failed to pass legislation after failing six votes short when four Republicans and Democrats blocked all the proposals stating that "expanding background checks, at gun shows or elsewhere, will not reduce violent crime or keep our kids safe in their schools."
It should read: On April 17, 2013, the bill that would have seen the restrictions on gun control failed to pass legislation after falling six votes short when four 4 Democrats and 41 Republicans in the Senate blocked all the proposals stating that "expanding background checks, at gun shows or elsewhere, will not reduce violent crime or keep our kids safe in their schools."
Reference: http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/senate/1/97
Is there enough information to warrant having a seperate article about the shooter himself? I think there ought to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.212.231.242 ( talk) 01:39, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Where it says- It is the most deadly school shooting in any public school in the United States, that is incorrect because Virginia Tech is a Public University (and thus a Public School). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.19.20 ( talk) 01:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
"On June 15, 2013, a playground at Long Lots Elementary School, Westport, Connecticut was dedicated to Dylan Hockley. [2]"
Where would this fit in the article? Soffredo ( talk) 01:34, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Where is the list of the victims of this shooting? I expected to find one here, given the other events (e.g. Fort Hood shooting). I saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vp5rR2R2Rjg claiming there were no victims; I thought I'd come here to find a list to show, "Here are the people who died: It's not a hoax." But there's no list! I understand that they were minors, but I don't see how publishing a list of the victims is a problem. -- Newagelink ( talk) 21:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC) Edit: The NY times article cited mentions six adults: Surely at least _they_ should be listed! -- Newagelink ( talk) 21:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Nancy Lanza was a broker, dealer and agent at Morgan Stanley Smith Barney;if not mentioning her company directly, it would be appropriate at least to give her vocation, given that her ex-husband's vocation is cited. 96.42.32.55 ( talk) 23:07, 16 June 2013 (UTC)Dannel
Nancy Elaine Lanza was a dealer, agent and broker with Morgan Stanley Smith Barney; it would be appropriate to list her vocation as well as Peter Lanza's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.32.55 ( talk) 23:23, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
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"Mass Murders Captivated Online User Believed To Be Adam Lanza".
What Wikipedia userid did Adam Lanza use? Is there a policy about Wikipedia edits made by mass murderers? -- Green Cardamom ( talk) 05:10, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Further discussion here. -- Green Cardamom ( talk) 15:33, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
References
Because someone tried to add it and was reverted. I'd like to make a few points here:
Don't know what happened, but the reversion deleted my edit summary & I don't want to edit the article to make the edit summary "stick" so here is the longer version:
Shearonink ( talk) 18:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Eugen_Hamerle posted this comment on 16 July 2013 ( view all feedback).
A timeline would be informative.
Any thoughts?
Techdude3331 ( talk) 22:25, 16 July 2013 (UTC) Can someone find the information for one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techdude3331 ( talk • contribs) 22:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that someone has created a Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting category and its almost entirely populated by redirect pages for each (but not all) of the victims. Is there some legitimate purpose to this or is someone trying to pull an " end run" around WP:NOTMEMORIAL? -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 05:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Done, its gone... --
Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (
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I think it should be pointed out that the text, "According to the New York Times, two law enforcement officials who were initially involved in the investigation said they believed that Adam Lanza had spent most of his time in the basement of the home, primarily playing a warfare video game, Call of Duty." is a non sequitur [11](That is based off the opinion, that is not backed by study, that video games cause violent acts) and should be changed to something along the lines of, "According to the New York Times, law enforcement officials commented that Adam Lanza would spend most of his time in his basement doing solitary activities. Some of which include playing video games." That last sentence could be removed as it really is not necessary to the article. -- Snupher ( talk) 16:47, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
In the Perpetrator section it says Adam died in "Newton", Connecticut. Doopliss von grapple 2.0 ( talk) 02:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
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There is no proof that this happened or that Adam Lanza was involved. NO Proof. 192.172.14.69 ( talk) 11:44, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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Since its reference is blacklisted and its assertion is outdated, please replace "Within 15 hours of the incident, 100,000 Americans signed a petition at the Obama administration's We the People petitioning website in support of a renewed national debate on gun control." with "Nearly 200,000 people signed a petition at the Obama administration's We the People petitioning website in support of stricter gun control legislation." [1] 174.66.197.19 ( talk) 23:27, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
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Previous change still isn't right:
should be
i.e. no quotation marks, and "People" shouldn't be capitalized. 174.66.197.19 ( talk) 12:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Why is it relevant to constantly mention the AR had a 30 round magazine? Why were the magazine capacities for the other firearms not mentioned? I think the reason is political. Other wise all the firearms would have their capacities mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.118.151 ( talk) 05:28, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Both the Glock and Sig have standard capacity magazines that are higher than 10. So why is that not mentioned. I think this is a bias against AR style rifles with standard capacity magazines. To be balanced you must either mention the capacity of all firearms or not mention the capacity at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.108.120 ( talk) 18:06, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Section 2 seems to contradict itself - the last part of the second paragraph says the morning announcements were interrupted, while the first part of the fourth paragraph says morning announcements were either interrupted and someone turned on the intercom. There also seems to be some confusion over whether Hochsprung and the other teachers were in a staff meeting or doing announcements when they first heard the shots. Ordinarily this wouldn't be a big deal, but since this is an important article, the first one to come up on a bing or google search, I think it is important we get our facts straight about the timeline and what exactly happened. There was alot of misinformation that came out in the early reporting of this story, but by this point there should be some official source giving a correct and detailed report of what happened when.-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 18:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
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Please add new information to the 'Reactions' section. Newtown, MA residents voted in October 2013 to demolish Sandy Hook Elementary and construct a new building at the same site. The demolition will be funded by $50 million in state money.
Source: http://www.wbur.org/npr/229797855/the-votes-are-in-sandy-hook-elementary-will-be-torn-down
Anevaude ( talk) 14:24, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Here are some references that you can use for this article:
I wondered when the vote would come up. Thank you for the follow up. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 17:19, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Done
"There were initially conflicting reports on whether Nancy Lanza had worked as a volunteer at the Sandy Hook Elementary School.[126]" It raises the question, but doesn't actually say if it's true or not. (sorry forgot to sign 67.80.83.53 ( talk) 20:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.83.53 ( talk) 19:58, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
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two consecutive "and"s in "shooting" section
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Done
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— 188.24.70.1 ( talk) 11:07, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
There are a number of news articles about it...here's one from fox with screenshots. http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/11/20/video-game-based-on-sandy-hook-massacre-draws-cries-outrage/
24.136.94.214 ( talk) 05:56, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't seem likely that a few bullet holes and some streaks of blood would be anything that some grout, some plaster, some detergent and a few mops couldn't deal with for much less cost than tearing down the whole school and building another one in its place. Who were the members of this "task force" and what were their reasons for treating a small problem with a very expensive remedy, when a much cheaper remedy would almost certainly have sufficed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.197.29 ( talk) 18:51, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
I think the timeline should be updated to match that of the "States Attorney Official" report. In the "Official" report it states that shooting started at 9:35 and the police on the scene heard the last gunshot at 9:40 a.m. this is page 9-10 of the official report Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).
http://www.scribd.com/doc/187052598/Official-Sandy-Hook-Report — Preceding
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The documents from the case are WP:PRIMARY source material and need to be handled with care. For example, the RM 10 section says that the wire frame glasses that were found near Lanza's body were "consistent with child size glasses. There was no deceased child in close proximity to the shooter's body." This raises more questions than it answers, because it appears to suggest that the glasses were not Lanza's, but does not say whose they were. Similarly, a large amount of detail about the trajectory of the shot Lanza used to kill himself is not really necessary. Most media reports say that he killed himself with a shot to the head from the Glock, and that is enough for practical purposes. The key details of the case have appeared in the media and are in the final report summary. The documents go into much more detail, but should be used only for incontrovertible statements of fact.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:35, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
There's a wealth of information about him that came out recently and considering that James Eagan Holmes and Seung the Virgina Tech shooter have pages, shouldn't Adam Lanza have one? CaptainPrimo ( talk) 07:44, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
AGAINST - Agreed, for all of the reasons stated. I concur with Just, Masem, et. al. and their opinions, there are far better articles worthy of our attention. Furthermore, the existence of similarly themed or focused articles should never be sole justification for another article. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 16:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Since there have been several requests for the article to say whether Adam Lanza was taking prescription medication at the time of the shooting, this is what the final report has to say on the issue: "Efforts were made within the limits of privacy laws to gather information on medical consultations and/or treatments the shooter was involved with over the course of his years in Newtown. In doing so, investigators found no evidence to suggest the shooter had taken any medication that would affect his behavior or by any means to explain his actions on December 14, 2012." The report also says that he was recommended medication in 2006 but did not take it. None of this gives a simple yes or no answer to whether Lanza was taking medication at the time of the shooting, but the article should include a summary of this information.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:37, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, it's shady that the report said "investigators found no evidence to suggest the shooter had taken any medication that would affect his behavior or by any means to explain his actions" instead of "Adam was not on any medication." That says to me that he was on psychiatric medication. 64.20.12.142 ( talk) 06:19, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
The weapons listed in the box to the left side should have commas after them, otherwise its difficult to identify the types and number of weapons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Todd4069 ( talk • contribs) 19:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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was used to put the guns on separate lines.--
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20:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)We're trying to settle the event start given the latest information. First 9:11 was called at 9:35:39 per the official report. The shooting started shortly after the 9:30 staff meeting. Doors were locked at 9:30. So between 9:30 and 9:35 is the best I can find. Can we pore through the official attorney's official record and get the best time possible? Hatzing, thank you for your patience, let's get the best most recent information possible. - Justanonymous ( talk) 01:20, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I found on page 9 of the official report from November 25th 2013, state "shortly after 9:30".- Justanonymous ( talk) 01:29, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
This edit is correct. Adam Lanza carried a 9mm SIG Sauer P226 into the school but did not fire it. [16] The only guns fired inside the school were the Bushmaster (which killed all of the victims) and the 10mm Glock, which he used to kill himself. The SIG Sauer P226 should not be in the infobox because this is misleading, although it should be mentioned in the text of the article.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:04, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:STRONGNAT and WP:DATERET, the system used to delineate the dates should be rendered as (month name) (date), (year), for instance as December 14, 2012 instead of 14 December 2012. I reverted a dating change and was unable to render the Edit Summary for an explanation. Shearonink ( talk) 01:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Re this edit. The only previous shooting which the final report considered to be a particular fascination for Adam Lanza was the 1999 Columbine High School massacre. It does not say that he was inspired by the 2011 Norway attacks of Anders Behring Breivik, despite law enforcement officials claiming this to the media in February 2013. It mentions that Lanza had a 2008 newspaper cutting about the Northern Illinois University shooting, which does not support the the claim of a strong fascination. It mentions the 2006 Amish school shooting only once, noting that he had a copy of the 2007 book Amish Grace: How Forgiveness Transcended Tragedy.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
The newly released documents are on the ct.gov website here. The site asks people not to download them unless they really need them. I downloaded the 720 MB version, and it is both enormous and not all that useful. The mainstream media coverage contains all of the important points.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Re this edit Lanza fired the Glock twice and two shell casings were recovered. One shot killed him, but the reason for the other is unknown. It is possible (and obviously WP:OR) that he was having difficulty with the gun and fired a test shot to see if it was working before putting it to his head. The final report says that the Glock found next to Lanza's body "appeared to be jammed".-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:40, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
They've even outlined it.
He had "homosexual fantasies"
-- Slenderdan ( talk) 18:35, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
The wording in the New York Daily News story about homosexuality is taken from one of the documents released in December 2013. It says an instant messaging account history between December 2010 and February 2011 focuses on "gaming, homosexual fantasies, and day to day activities." As for the claim that Lanza appeared on a radio phone in show, this has excited the media, but is based on one person saying that the voice is definitely him, and another who thinks that it is him. This is reminiscent of the claim that Lanza edited Wikipedia, which was widely reported as a fact in parts of the media, even though Wikipedia did not confirm this because there was insufficient evidence. If this is in the article, it should stop short of saying that it is definitely Lanza in the phone in recording, and give the assessment from the source accurately.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:33, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Why is there no detailed page for Adam Lanza??? Like for example the Columnbine High School shooters Dylan Klebold ,and Eric Harris. or Ted Bundy or Richard Ramirez....... Is wikipedia an independent organization or is it doing what its told? ... Or are there no real Lanzas therefore no real history to write about. I find it hard to believe that no one has dug into this familys history or lack thereof id love an honest answer on this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.130.159.177 ( talk) 09:26, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Because of WP:OTHERSTUFF. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 19:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
While I agree that a list of the names of all of the victims is not 100% necessary (this has been debated before), I don't agree that the article is too long or should be split, per WP:CONTENTFORK. The length of articles is governed by WP:SIZERULE, and at around 40 kB there is no immediate need to do this.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I know after the official report was released it gave a lot more information on the shooting. However, the part of the article that talks about the shooting in Ms. Soto's class is really cluttered and confusing. Is there any way to clean it up better? Benbuff91 2:13, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Did a clean-up and re-organizing of the shootings in Soto's class. I still believe Lanza entered her classroom first but decided to not add that part. All speculative information has been deleted, to allow a better reading experience. Hatzing ( talk) 07:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
What happened to the names of the victims? B-Machine ( talk) 17:33, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if this has been discussed before. I believe Massacre is a more fitting word for the title of the article, given the number of people killed. "Shooting" is a more Monotonous word, and I think massacre should be implemented into the title. Hatzing ( talk) 19:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Shooting is a more precise word, "massacre" would be more vague and implies something other than just shooting. It was a massacre, but it was more specifically a shooting, so the current title is clearly superior. John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 13:38, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
I did a fast check of the first ten references....looks like "shooting" is most common, with "tragedy" a close second, "massacre" a distant third, and "slaughter" 4th. North8000 ( talk) 18:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
In the article it states
".....and believe that it was Lanza shooting himself in the lower rear portion of his head with the Glock 20SF" and
"The Glock was found apparently jammed near the shooter"
If the weapon was jammed, it doesnt make sense that he used it to kill himself. Is this a factual error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.78.25.119 ( talk) 15:20, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
There is a citation error at the bottom of the page, would somebody mind fixing this?
Robert4565 ( talk) 21:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Adam Lanza had "homosexual fantasies" ... Should a LGBT category be considered? -- Japanesehelper ( talk) 01:40, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Anyone have an image of the demolition of the school? Has it happened yet? If we are going to add an image to the Community Impact section, that seems like a good candidate. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 05:42, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
This article features a section on the possible link of video games to the shooting, however doesn't mention anything about the possible link of antidepressants or other psychotic drugs. In the US today, 11% of people 12 and over take antidepressant medication, a number quickly rising. This number has recently risen, which corresponds well with the alarming recent increase in school shooting. Many labels on medications feature warnings about the possible links towards increased suicidal and/or homicidal tendencies.
In the article at present, there are two mentions of drugs. The first states "Investigators evaluated Lanza's body, looking for evidence of drugs or medication through toxicology tests." however has no results posted. The linked reference only indicates toxicology is underway and contains no other mention of 'drug', 'medication', or 'toxicology'.
The other mention states "The report found no evidence that Lanza had taken drugs or medication that would have affected his behavior", however this is cited to two links that make no mention I could find of 'drug', 'medication', or 'toxicology'.
I was not able to find any conclusive report of whether or not he was on medication or not. So, we can only use testimony of those around him and known events to speculate. In 0:53 of this video, Mark and Louise Tambascio, family friends of the shooter and his mother, explain to CBS that they believe he was on medication.
There is also a video of Connecticut Medical Examiner, H. Wayne Carver, M.D., arbitrarily denying the request to release the toxicology report, even though this goes against law.
I would like to know if anyone can obtain the sources of the actual toxicology report, and any medication Adam Lanza may have been on prior to the shootings. Specifically, had he recently stopped taking a particular medication or recently changed his prescription? Azoundria ( talk) 22:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
In regards to citation 53 on this article. Sally Cox reported the shooter wearing "boots". I am in possession of evidence provided by the State Police department of Connecticut. This evidence shows clearly that the shooter was not wearing boots. Instead he was wearing black shoes. In what manner should the article be edited to reflect this evidence? Doubtlessly, there are other aspects of this article which do not match crime scene evidence, this being one example. Miloserdia ( talk) 21:20, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Why is the footwear of the shooter relevant to an an encyclopedia article? This seems like trivia that should be removed, regardless of what the footwear was. Gaijin42 ( talk) 15:32, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
In the article it states
".....and believe that it was Lanza shooting himself in the lower rear portion of his head with the Glock 20SF" and
"The Glock was found apparently jammed near the shooter"
If the weapon was jammed, it doesnt make sense that he used it to kill himself. Is this a factual error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.78.25.119 ( talk) 15:20, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
He appears to be making a media run, lots of comments from the father.
Gaijin42 ( talk) 14:42, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Second paragraph of the perpetrator's article has a sentence repeated.
With the removal of the table of victims, apparently the casualty total has also been removed. I just read the article from top to bottom and I only see mentioned in passing that one girl survived. I was unable to find out how many people died. 208.127.245.193 ( talk) 22:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
The victims list table was recently
removed. (If you'd like to see what the table looked like, it can be found
here.) The issue of having a table or list of the victims in this article has been discussed on this talk page before, but it might be time to revisit the matter again. The most relevant previous discussion is found in
Archive 6:
List of victims revisited (Do we need it? Opinions sought).
As I said in the last discussion about the list, in my opinion
WP:MEMORIAL is not applicable. The victims list had only the names & the ages of the victims, it did not give personal or hagiographic details for the individuals such as would occur within an obituary or a memorial, of the type like the person loved their pet dog or was the wonderful mother of three and so on. Also,
WP:MEMORIAL only refers to article subjects and says nothing about content within articles, stating that "Subjects of encyclopedia articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements".
Shearonink (
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15:37, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Where's the Sandbox that the collapsed list is being setup? Link please... -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 17:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
This article is Glaringly incomplete without a list of victims, at the very least there should be a prominent link to such a list. The list of victims is one of the main things people are looking for when they come to this article.John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 13:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
OK everyone... Over there on the right is the victims list as it previously appeared in the article. I wanted to post the table here so fellow editors can see what it looked like. I liked this table, I thought it presented sourced material about the dead in a factual manner without going into too many details, I just don't understand how to give it (in this state), a "Show/Hide" button.
I tried to find some WikiProject or think of some superduper editor who could help me do this and couldn't find a Wiki page or think of anyone so it's going here. Surely one of the 304 editors who have this article on their watchlist could lend a hand...please?
Shearonink (
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Since I cannot edit this page for some reason I would like to tell someone who can that the Photo of Adam Lanza on this page with the blue background is labeled incorrectly. It says that is a yearbook photo which is NOT true. This photo is the photo from his Driver's License. It's a DMV photograph. So can someone please change that because its driving me nuts!
Kaynbread ( talk) 02:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Folks, if you click the photo and check its attributes, it clearly says that its a yearbook photo. Unless we get the uploader of the image to change this, we have no credible reason to doubt this. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 17:05, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Why should we not include stuff about Adam Lanza possibly using "Kaynbred" to edit Wikipedia and post on gun-related online forums if it's well sourced? [24] If there's a good answer, I think it should be added to the FAQ. Jinkinson talk to me 05:18, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Re this edit: Since it was not vandalism, it should not have been reverted with no indication of what the problem was. During the investigation, law enforcement officials told the media a whole load of things that were not backed up by the final report. This was previously discussed at Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting/Archive_7#Influences_on_Lanza. The ABC News citation does not mention the 2011 Norway attacks at all, and the final report considered that only the Columbine High School massacre was a particular fascination for Lanza. The ABC News cite says that he had a "large amount of materials relating to Columbine shootings and documents on mass murders". The Amish and Illinois shootings are mentioned elsewhere in the article, but are given only a passing mention in the final report, and do not support the claim of a strong fascination.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:40, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Please forgive me for not understanding the WP copyright policies better, but is there a way to use an image of the artist rendering of the new Sandy Hook School that is permitted within WP guidelines and such? I've added paragraphs about the two recent announcements and the image pertains to one of them. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 15:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I made an edit to remove the political debate related commentary from this section, and two Users have been reverting it. This is the simplified version I am in favor of that removes remarks from any politicians and commentary by the NRA. The article is about the shooting and the section about gun control related activities that came about as a result. We have plenty of factual information in the article about guns and gun legislation already, can't we keep the gun debate out of this article? Your thoughts? -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 18:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Evidence suggests that Lanza entered Soto's room, before entering Lauren Rousseau's room. The two jungle-taped magazines were found in Soto's room, and they were the two mags that were in the rifle when he shot through the glass entrance. It only makes sense that he entered her classroom first, before moving on to Rousseau's room. Consider revising to support this? Hatzing ( talk) 18:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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