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rugbrødsmad (aprox translation: "rye bread meal") -- an "open faced sandwich" or "rye pizza" or any other thing you want to label or translate it to mean. More generally, it's a staple food some places in the world. Sure, the wikipedia article for rugbrød claims that it is "always" a sourdough base, but that doesn't mean everyone that makes rugbrod makes it sourdough, or for that matter, bothers to leaven it at all! So if your rugbrød bread wasn't leavened, maybe you're not eating "authentic" rugbrødsmad (after all, it's meant to be served on a bread that "always" has a sourdough base)
So, basically I'm just saying that it really doesn't matter if someone argues one point or another. Especially on wikipedia where it's possible to fairly ( WP:Neutrality) cover all angles of a subject whenever editors feel it's worth the effort... so long as you can last long enough to convince the administration, fellow wikipedians, or even appease the opponents that object most to an issue. -- Kuzetsa ( talk) 00:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
1. bread 2. spread 3. fillings 4. garnish
1. bread:-brown bread, garlic bread —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.244.114 ( talk) 16:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the interjection about KFC for a number of reasons. First, it's disruptive to the lead, in that it's breaking the flow of the first sentence. Second, mentioning the sandwich in the first line like that is a violation of WP:UNDUEWEIGHT. It is common sense that a sandwich involves bread, so to interject and say otherwise is disruptive. When other places start doing this, then we can discuss its inclusion. And third, the reference being given - for foodgeekery.com - is a dead site. In the interest of being inclusive, though, I've added text about the sandwich elsewhere in the article. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 17:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the mention of the KFC sandwich altogether. The source doesn't seem reliable, as the majority of the article is obviously a joke. There's no reason to believe that part is true. Zeldafanjtl ( talk) 01:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Are "naanwiches" worth mentioning in this article? Naanwich is a neologism for what is essentially a sandwich made with naan. They are usually made with mutton and usually Indian spices and stuff, though it is not really authentic Indian food. They are popular with vegans and people looking for all-natural foods. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylelovesyou ( talk • contribs) 03:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
If a sandwich can be made with any type of bread, i wonder why there is a type of bread called sandwich bread. Maybe whoever that made the statement, being from Great Britain, probably meant the traditional English bread and did not figure out that with his definition a sandwich could also be made with black german bread with rice or bread made out of figs like they do in Spain, ( es:Pan de higo) so they'd be called anything but a sandwich. Rafax ( talk) 18:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Surely the defining characteristics of the classical English sandwich (which is what this article is about) are that (1) the bread is *sliced* (usually mechanically)and is therefore a uniform thickness of about 1/2 - 3/4 inch with both surfaces composed of the exposed interior of the loaf [the end crust slices are never used](2)the bread is of approximately square section with four near-right-angled corners and straight on at least three sides. Any sort of baked breadish lump just cut in half would not be a sandwich [thus the McDonalds 'sandwich' is actually a bun, and the Subway 'sandwich' is actually a roll]. It may be that such are increasingly erroneously *called* sandwiches, but as Lord Denning famously said in a judgement 'Just because a garden implement with four prongs is called a spade doesn't make it a spade, it is a fork'.
Spreads like peanut butter put between two slices of bread IS NOT a sandwich. This is also true for condiments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.152.25.4 ( talk) 18:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
109.144.239.61 ( talk) 20:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I know someone is likely to change what I wrote. But just remember, blonds have a place on Wikipedia too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond_joke#Blonde_jokes Jeydo ( talk) 06:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
"A sandwich is a food item, typically consisting of two or more slices of bread with one or more fillings between them,[1] or one slice of bread with a topping or toppings, commonly called an open sandwich. Sandwiches are a widely popular type of lunch food, typically taken to work or school, or picnics to be eaten as part of a packed lunch. They generally contain a combination of salad vegetables, meat, cheese, and a variety of sauces or savoury spreads. The bread can be used as it is, or it can be coated with any condiments to enhance flavor and texture. They are widely sold in restaurants and cafes."
The introduction is bland - very un sandwich like
I recommend that the introduction be expanded to include discussion regarding: 1. That there is sandwich in one representation or another in essentially every culture in the world. 2. That the sandwich often has a direct geographical tie expression of the local flair - ex. lobster roll, mufaletta, Banh mi.
Proposed Rewrite: The sandwich is a widely diverse food category that is typically defined by any two slices of a bread with one or more fillings, [1] or one slice of bread with toppings styled as an open face sandwich. Sandwiches are served at every meal but are mostly regarded as a lunch food. This is due to the highly portable nature of the sandwich enabling it to be taken to work, school, picnics etc. Fillings in sandwiches can contain a fully diverse array of foods from meats, cheases, vegetables, spreads, and dressings. Sandwiches exist in nearly every culture in the world in one fashion or another and often the sandwich is equated to the originating culture ex. pananni from Italy, Banh mi from Vietnam, Mufaletta from New Orleans. Beltwaybandit ( talk) 03:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
I wanted to add to the article that, in the Midlands of the UK, 'piece' used to be a common term for a sandwich, but has now largely fallen into disuse. In the far north of Scotland, however, 'piece' is still in daily, but declining, use - but I can't because I'm too new to be allowed to edit the page :-)
Could some kind soul possible add this for me? Actually, better, could some kind soul please *confirm* this usage and how widespread it was (the fact that it was used in two such widely separated locations, both geographically and culturally, suggests that its use may have been far more common than I am aware of) and then add it for me?
Many thanks,
David Shaw - Formerly of Aldridge in the West Midlands and now of John o' Groats in the far north of Scotland :-) Dtmcgm ( talk) 00:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Where is ploughmans? That is a good sandwhich made of cheese, salad, pickle and tomato! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.230.71 ( talk) 14:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
The 'Ploughman's Lunch' was a totally artificial marketing invention by the British Milk Marketing Board in c 1965 inorder to persuade Pubs with no means of preparing hot meals to sell more cheese. The bread, butter, pickle and cheese are in large separate lumps which the customer can combine as they wish. No ploughman pre 1965 ever purchased a 'Ploughman's Lunch'. 109.144.239.61 ( talk) 20:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Not wanting to be pedantic but it describes "butty" as being used as a colloquialism in "Northern United Kingdom" when AFAIK they don't particularly call sandwiches "butties" in Scotland (the Northern United Kingdom) any more than they do in Southern England. Sandwiches are called butties in Northern ENGLAND (Yorkshire etc which is mid-United Kingdom).But the whole expression mid-United Kingdom is a rather weird and ridiculous description anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.41 ( talk) 11:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps the pasty can be mentioned either
Given that it is used in exactly the same way as a sandwich (culturally), I think it should be mentioned here 91.182.56.170 ( talk) 19:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
A pasty is nothing like a sandwich! A pasty completely covers the filling and a sandwich just 'sandwiches' it. The pastry also has to be cooked, cooking the filling too. A sandwich doesn't. A pastry has a more sloppy filling, sandwiches can have a more solid filling. We may as well say pizzas and calzones are basically sandwiches then. Sweetie candykim ( talk) 14:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
"It was named after John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, an 18th-century English aristocrat, although he was neither the inventor nor sustainer of the food." What on earth does "sustainer" even mean in this context? How about "although he did not invent it"? - 66.93.200.116 ( talk) 18:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
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Add to External Links: U.S. Sandwich Council http://sandwichcouncil.tk
Zefareu ( talk) 17:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
PB and J link should go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_butter_and_jelly_sandwich not a disambig page
In the latest issue of the Kid's Discover magazine, the history of the sandwich is given. The original history was much less obvious in phrasing. I have reverted this and then rephrased the history in my own words. I will show you a diff as soon as I can get my hands on it.
Walex03'. talking, working, friending'. 00:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I've undone Walex's edit here that removed a bunch of text with the comment "Reverted vandalism. Sourced from a magazine". First, it's not vandalism - that text is relatively well sourced and has been here for months. Also, which magazine? Can we see this magazine and verify that it's not the converse, i.e. that the magazine took its text from Wikipedia? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 00:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Kids Discover, read my post above.
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Please add new discovered information about the history of Sandwich, having been discovered in Ancient Egypt during Middle Kingdom. The link below describes more about where it was discovered and there is a photo on the page for the oldest bread with meat sandwich found made by Ancient Egyptians, that sandwich is available in the Egyptian Museum.
http://www.ancientegyptmagazine.com/permesut43.htm
It might be that the Rabbi Hillel during his Passover from Egypt learned the Sandwich idea from Ancient Egyptians themselves.
Nohism ( talk) 18:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
There is an excessive list of regional sandwich styles here. Aside from general questions of its necessity (what does such a long list really provide?), there are no citations to provide any convincing evidence any of these are "regional" types, so it runs the risk of being OR (I know my bacon-eating siblings used to make put bacon between slices of toast—so the bacon sandwich hardly seems specific to the UK). Notice also that many of the links contradict the regional specifications here, so anyone wanting to re-add them should confirm the accuracy first. For convenience, it is appended here. — Felix the Cassowary 13:32, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Some of these are distinguished primarily by the bread or method of preparation, rather than the filling.
Thank you! Mshenay ( talk) 14:13, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
"Smörgåsbord is a type of Scandinavian meal served buffet-style with multiple dishes of various foods on a table, originating in Sweden." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.177.86 ( talk) 17:25, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Any culinary construction lacking two pieces of bread should not be defined as a sandwich. discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.141.130.102 ( talk) 17:14, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
A man stands behind a curtain at the end of a hall. In his hand he holds an egg. It hatches, a cat emerging. The cat screams with the voice of a man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.224.12 ( talk) 06:07, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Denied, sandwiches can consist of one piece of bread. These are called "open faced" sandwiches. A Canapé is defined as such, namely an open faced sandwich. I added references (two of them)to the statement about open sandwich . Mshenay ( talk) 13:54, 29 March 2012 (UTC
sandwitches have been poisonis to people. Over 456 people died in Chicago in 1954.This has caused alot of problems.To make this work,eat 4 pieces of garlic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cake3332 ( talk • contribs) 23:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
"...with one or more fillings between them, Sandwiches are..." A period, not a comma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultranothing ( talk • contribs) 06:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I noticed there was recently a reverted edit that attempted to improve wording in the Sandwich basics section. Is this section even necessary? It only restates information from the lead, and its one source doesn't appear to be reliable. I propose the section be removed in its entirety. Ibadibam ( talk) 22:49, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
I was born in India and have lived here since, in all my time I have never heard of a "double rott." Please provide a citation or remove it. Cchowgule ( talk) 05:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
The lead reads "A sandwich is a food item consisting of two or more slices of bread ...", but isn't a wrap a type of sandwich? A wrap has only 1 bread and it is not sliced. Poyani ( talk) 15:12, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Re the story about Hillel...
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Talmud: "the Babylonians are fools, eating bread with bread" . Explained as meaning - even food solidly prepared is eaten by them with bread consequently such would be included in the term 'tabhshil' and forbidden
nedarim 49. Alternatively - referring to the Babylonian habit of eating solid food in a sandwich... found objectionable (p.124 Jewish Local Patriotism and Self-identification in the Graeco-Roman Period, Continuum, 1998). That's to say, the sandwich, or the hillel, is contrary to Dietary Law and naturally predates it.
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Boy, you sure have a passionate interest in sandwiches. I put it to you for the third time that when an academic publication refers to "the Babylonian habit of eating solid food in a sandwich" you don't begin to create a ground of objection until you produce a contradictory academic source. It is not good enough to offer as conclusive the opinion that when they say sandwich they don't mean sandwich.
On the other point, which I made residual, but you revived, my reading of the gloss "ie, even food solidly prepared is eaten by them with bread consequently such would be included in the term 'tabhshil' and forbidden" as implying that 'forbidden' relates to dietary law is clearly different from yours. You may think it doesn't mean forbidden. I simply note that the source implies otherwise but you have an opinion, so fair enough. I'm not an expert on Judaism. This is an article about sandwiches. The point of the reference is that it describes a practice predating the reference in the article. I must say, you've raised yourself to the level of expert twice without citing any sources. You also don't really evaluate the sources I provide.
Thirdly, by implication this contribution invites an examination of the validity of the chronology. Does the 'Hillel' reference have any more substance than the one I bring? You're silent on that. I'm extending you far too much of a courtesy. Frankly :) Hakluyt bean ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 11:23, October 15, 2008.
KinHikhari has tagged this article as requiring globalization. Anybody have any suggestions for specific areas of improvement? Ibadibam ( talk) 17:31, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
In the last section, find the phrase "it prevents the bread from socking up the filling." I believe "socking" is in error, and "soaking" is the intended word. The phrase should be "it prevents the bread from soaking up the filling."
It seems clear to me that this article needs to be primarily about "the sandwich" in the narrow sense of the term, as a food construction that originated in the Western World in relatively modern times, however artificial that distinction may seem to be. If we start to try to "globalize" the article, there is almost no limit to what can be included: potentially this could mean almost any kind of bread-like food substance positioned for consumption in contact with almost any other kind of food. But honestly I think all the more exotic combinations of grain-based substrate with other foods, like samosas, rotis, burritos, pizza, etc, etc need to be in another article, assuming one could come up with a suitable title for it. I have tried to tweak the intro and create an intro to the History section which makes this distinction clearer. Hope other editors see the point of this. Best, Invertzoo ( talk) 21:08, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
A sandwich is a food article made of some filling held on or between sliced bread, or more generally any dish wherein two or more pieces of bread serve as a container for some other food.
"Many sandwiches are handheld and portable; this one is made with salami" -- I want to see the non-portable, non-handheld sandwiches... 131.111.203.58 ( talk) 10:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Whoever wrote that wins the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.88.52.63 ( talk) 06:54, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
"Several examples of unconventional sandwiches include tacos, burritos, and pizza."
This is nonsense. Someone, revert this absolute twaddle. None of these things are sandwiches! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.96.31 ( talk) 00:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
A pizza wouldn't apply, it's not bread with stuff on it, it's dough with stuff on it, then cooked. To call a pizza a sandwich is to open up the possibility of calling pie a sandwich. The others would be sandwiches though. 98.141.48.49 ( talk) 23:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
If the definition of "sandwich" is going to be broadened so as to include any "thing" with "stuff" in/on it, then I suppose everything is a sandwich. My pillow is a cotton sandwich. My corner hutch is a book sandwich. My books are paper sandwiches. You get the idea. Ultranothing ( talk) 05:37, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
A taco is a type of sandwich. — Preceding
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Can we get a better picture for the infobox? The one there now has a hand and napkin in it and it is a bad angle. I think the pictures not in the infobox are fine where they are and a new picture is necessary. — DangerousJXD ( talk) 08:39, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia Editors, there is a discussion about Sailor sandwich article that may relate to this article's topic. Peace MPS ( talk) 16:28, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
This will make 35 active threads on this talk page, many of which haven't been "active" in this decade.
Anyone object to my implementing auto-archive? Mr. Swordfish ( talk) 14:46, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
After bread was invented, people stared mixing their bread with other foods *at mealtimes* in a variety of ways, or they would *pack foods for mobile meals* including bread. All of that belongs in the History of Bread article. All of it is important, all of it is interesting, but none of that relates to the invention of sandwiches, an "aha" moment that is strangely modern. And our sandwich is also "Western". It is quite possible that Aztecs were making tortillas and wraps, and it's quite possible that India had the dosa or pav bhaji; I have no idea, props to them, I don't want to take anything away from them, but it's not a sandwich and it didn't lead to a sandwich. Is it remarkable that somebody thought to remark on and write down Hillel's bread snacking: but it wasn't a sandwich and it didn't lead to the sandwich. The idea of using the bread to assemble a new object, one that could be picked up, carried, and which formed meal by stacking/combining food groups: that's the innovation. We can marvel that with all the different similar bread and meat precursors that nobody thought of it, but writing it up the way it is here is making up progression that was not the progress. IMHO. 74.68.152.245 ( talk) 21:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
You cannot accuse something of being bogus simply because it is not original. Ancient Sumerians invented bread, so by this principle, any other word for bread in any language must be bogus. It is an English word invented for a particular context. One of the most essential conditions is that the item can be eaten with one hand and on the move without spillage. 220.245.41.236 ( talk) 05:44, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
As is quite regular in English the noun "Sandwich" can also be use as a verb where something can be "sandwiched" between one thing and another. This does not always sound as good English, and it is not, however nouns can be done - in English! Osborne 19th May 2010.
Can be an adjective too. "It is a sandwich construction." Noun: "I was the meat in the sandwich." 220.245.41.236 ( talk) 07:06, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
A sandwich is actually a food source, not "item." Consider this when peole get into the mood that a sandwhich is nothing more than a combination of the 'items' used to make the resource happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.235.154.42 ( talk) 19:21, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
This part of the "History" heading:
It was at the same time that the European-stye sandwich finally began to appear outside of Europe.
Contains a misspelling. "European-stye" should be "European-style" — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoherentLogic ( talk • contribs) 22:42, 4 July 2016
Not quite true. Hot bacon inside a roll would be called a "bacon roll", a "bacon burger" specifically refers to a burger containing both a beefburger and bacon. 2A00:81C0:0:20:6631:50FF:FE3B:8A49 ( talk) 17:29, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Not true. I am from the UK and we still use the term sandwich when using other forms of bread including rolls. Suggest replacing "always" which is factually incorrect with "often", — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.229.84.126 ( talk) 11:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Reference #1 is really paywalled, but the information is available from multiple other sources, such as http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/11/10/massachusetts-judge-settles-dispute-by-ruling-burrito-is-not-sandwich.html. Could someone update the reference to reflect a meaningful source, like the one I posted? I don't really know how to do this without simply creating a new reference and dropping that in its place, which I don't think is kosher. MarchHare ( talk) 20:23, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
The colloquial "toppings" is more frequently used than "fillings" when speaking of sandwich "contents".
There is a paucity of scholarship exploring how "toppings" has become normative despite its more appropriate use for strictly open faced sandwiches.
I think any entry worthy of a good sandwich would be remiss without a treatment of said item's anatomy. The problem is that this could engender a dispute over the two leading terms contending as descriptors for sandwich contents. rasqual ( talk) 03:16, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Please! No one wants to see a napkin and a hand in the literal first result for one of the most important foods in the worlds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.103.20 ( talk) 01:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I suppose we have to explain what a BLT is. Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 14:29, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone have a non-paywalled source for White City Shopping Ctr., LP v. PR Rests., LLC, 21 Mass. L. Rep. 565 (Mass. Super. Ct. 2006) ?
I found a paywalled source, but it requires a subscription to CaseText. 67.176.93.29 ( talk) 16:26, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Does a sandwich require the bread to be leavened? This would provide proper clarification that food items using tortillas are not considered sandwiches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.196.210 ( talk) 18:37, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
On wikipedia article called List of Sandwiches, I see no examples listed that contain tortillas or any type of unleavened bread.
This section is complete nonsense, and devoid of citations: in the UK - although the word "sandwich" most typically refers to something made with sliced bread (this being the most common type of bread consumed) - it is also commonly used to refer to a roll or a baguette. The statement that anything with a hot filling is called a burger is also flagrantly untrue: see (inter alia) bacon sandwiches and chip butties. I can't edit the page for some reason but I'd suggest a better wording would be along the lines of:
"In the United Kingdom and Australia, the term sandwich typically refers only to an item which uses sliced bread from a loaf, but may also refer to a filling served within a baguette or roll. citation needed In South Australia, there is a regional variant of the roll, superficially similar to a club sandwich, where the bread roll is sliced three times with parallel cuts, and filling is put in the first and third openings, but not the second. This makes the resulting double cut roll easier to handle: the top half and the bottom half are eaten separately. citation needed Many hot item based on a bread roll are referred to as burgers, and never as sandwiches; citation needed exceptions to this include steak sandwiches, bacon sandwiches and chip butties." 2A00:23C4:4F07:1000:51ED:B111:9877:ABB1 ( talk) 11:51, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
This article could mention Danish open sandwiches - a single slice of bread with something on top of it. Vorbee ( talk) 10:19, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Editors would do well to read this and revise the boldness of their language:
/info/en/?search=Folk_etymology
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In its current form, references 3 and 4 refer to the same page on the same book. As I am unfamiliar with citations, I am writing this to request that the two be merged. Itskieran ( talk) 11:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
The beginning of this article says "two or more pieces of bread serve as a container or wrapper for another food type."
However, the article has several pictures of sandwiches with one piece of bread, e.g. a roll that has been sliced open but not split into two. Many sandwiches, such as cheesesteaks and meatball subs, are frequently made this way to prevent filling from falling out the bottom. They do not fail to qualify as sandwiches on account of this.
Wouldn't it be more correct to state that "one or more pieces of bread serve as a container or wrapper for another food type?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.125.124.170 ( talk) 18:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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A sandwich can have connected or unconnected bread as the two slices. Lilygabric69 ( talk) 06:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
A hot dog is the same as a sub sandwich exept with a sausage Johnymcjohn ( talk) 10:10, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
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I was skeptical of the claim:
"The word butty (a reference to the fact that butter is often used in British sandwiches)"
and went to find a couple of sources to add: http://www.makingstrange.net/2010/03/british-oddities-behold-chip-butty.html https://www.dictionary.com/browse/butty 92.12.62.37 ( talk) 06:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
TACOS ARE NOT SANDWICHESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.191.219.171 ( talk) 18:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Samwidge. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. TheAwesome Hwyh 02:08, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Re reference 1, the court case concerning White City in Massachusetts, that concluded that a sandwich is made with two slices of bread. Therefore an item such as a burrito is not a sandwich. Re reference 2, the dictionary definition cited also mentions two slices of bread.
Why include "wrapper" and then cite two references that are counter to that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.79.134 ( talk) 16:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
The debunk of Marks and Spencer's being the first to market pre-packed sandwiches is sourced to two subsequent editions of the Radio Times, which I assume could only be the letters page. Readers writing to a magazine to say how they remember something differently would not be a reliable enough source to downgrade the weight of a researched Guardian story. Pinging Bkesselman ( talk · contribs) to ask if they can clarify, but I'll remove the Radio Times sourced content for now. -- Lord Belbury ( talk) 09:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
sandwiches - two separate pieces of what is typically bread with some sort of food that is not the same as the outer pieces separating the two.
Therefore: Hotdogs are not sandwiches. Open bread sandwiches are NOT sandwiches. (Including Toast, PB & J without the other piece, etc.) Burritos are NOT sandwiches. Pizza is NOT a sandwich. Anything that conforms to these expectations are sandwiches. Anything that differs is NOT a sandwich.
I did not cite a source, because I am the one who wrote this. Does this mean that this definition is incorrect? No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caillou.guac ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps this is a bet western-centric of me, but the headline image for this article doesn't seem to be particularly appetizing. While I know that this isn't any kind of requirement for a food article, I feel like we could just do better.
At some point in 2013 the image in question for the infobox image was a lovely image of a salmon and cream cheese sandwich. At some point, this image was relegated to the gallery and the image was in the infobox was changed to a picture of a woman holding a salami sandwich. This image wasn't great, so it was later changed to a BLT after a mention on the talk page a few years ago. In late 2020, it was changed to the not very tasty looking egg sandwich we have today. The reasoning for this change was valid, however, I think it lowered the overall quality of the page.
I'm not entirely certain what image would work best, so I thought it would be ideal to reach out to the maintainers of this page and food wiki in general and solicit some thoughts. Let's do sandwiches the justice they deserve. :) -- allthefoxes ( Talk) 07:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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The picture of a sandwich is actually a roll. The article gives a clear definition of the distinction between the two, yet fails to apply this. The picture should be changed to a sandwich made of TWO SLICES OF BREAD 89.168.225.2 ( talk) 21:37, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Turkey and cheese. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 9#Turkey and cheese until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 15:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
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The definition of a sandwich in the article is "A sandwich is a food typically consisting of vegetables [...] placed on or between slices of bread" (line 1). But a few sentences after it is said that "[...] definition of sandwich; and specifically whether a hot dog or open sandwich can be categorized as such." (line 2-3). Therefore the definition can't be right when it is generally discussed if an open sandwich is a sandwich. The "on"-part should be removed. Tivikus ( talk) 21:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
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Change the picture for the page. an egg sandwich is not a valid sandwich 69.113.226.125 ( talk) 02:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Article is tagged {{ Use British English}} and yet most of it is based on the American English definition of the word sandwich not the narrower British one. It seems to me like the tag is wrong and the article is really written in American English after all, when American English is determining the very article scope (i.e. the meaning of the word in the article title.) I suppose the other option would be to trim the article's content down to match the British meaning of the word, but that's probably the worse option. I also think that the article needs to focus more on the fact that sandwich means different things in different English varieties. It didn't mention that fact until half way down the page; I've added mention of that to the lede, but I still feel like the article could do with more focus on that issue. Mr248 ( talk) 05:36, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Good day/night, We need to add a hot dog as an example of a sandwich. It meets all the definitions of a sandwich.
The USDA defines a hot dog as “a meat or poultry filling between two slices of bread, a bun, or a biscuit.”. A hot dog bun accounts for the bun aspect, and the main meat accounts for the meat aspect. By the United States Department of Agriculture’s definition, a hot dog is a sandwich. We need to give it the simple right of not being shunned by sandwich-dom. A hot dog deserves to be counted as a sandwich, and we shall give it that right.
Sincerely, An anonymous Wikipedia user 108.18.29.120 ( talk) 16:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
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My request is to remove the burger image, it is not a sandwich, source: https://www.slamwichscratchkitchen.com/burger-vs-sandwich/ Leandromicael123 ( talk) 10:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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rugbrødsmad (aprox translation: "rye bread meal") -- an "open faced sandwich" or "rye pizza" or any other thing you want to label or translate it to mean. More generally, it's a staple food some places in the world. Sure, the wikipedia article for rugbrød claims that it is "always" a sourdough base, but that doesn't mean everyone that makes rugbrod makes it sourdough, or for that matter, bothers to leaven it at all! So if your rugbrød bread wasn't leavened, maybe you're not eating "authentic" rugbrødsmad (after all, it's meant to be served on a bread that "always" has a sourdough base)
So, basically I'm just saying that it really doesn't matter if someone argues one point or another. Especially on wikipedia where it's possible to fairly ( WP:Neutrality) cover all angles of a subject whenever editors feel it's worth the effort... so long as you can last long enough to convince the administration, fellow wikipedians, or even appease the opponents that object most to an issue. -- Kuzetsa ( talk) 00:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
1. bread 2. spread 3. fillings 4. garnish
1. bread:-brown bread, garlic bread —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.244.114 ( talk) 16:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the interjection about KFC for a number of reasons. First, it's disruptive to the lead, in that it's breaking the flow of the first sentence. Second, mentioning the sandwich in the first line like that is a violation of WP:UNDUEWEIGHT. It is common sense that a sandwich involves bread, so to interject and say otherwise is disruptive. When other places start doing this, then we can discuss its inclusion. And third, the reference being given - for foodgeekery.com - is a dead site. In the interest of being inclusive, though, I've added text about the sandwich elsewhere in the article. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 17:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the mention of the KFC sandwich altogether. The source doesn't seem reliable, as the majority of the article is obviously a joke. There's no reason to believe that part is true. Zeldafanjtl ( talk) 01:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Are "naanwiches" worth mentioning in this article? Naanwich is a neologism for what is essentially a sandwich made with naan. They are usually made with mutton and usually Indian spices and stuff, though it is not really authentic Indian food. They are popular with vegans and people looking for all-natural foods. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylelovesyou ( talk • contribs) 03:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
If a sandwich can be made with any type of bread, i wonder why there is a type of bread called sandwich bread. Maybe whoever that made the statement, being from Great Britain, probably meant the traditional English bread and did not figure out that with his definition a sandwich could also be made with black german bread with rice or bread made out of figs like they do in Spain, ( es:Pan de higo) so they'd be called anything but a sandwich. Rafax ( talk) 18:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Surely the defining characteristics of the classical English sandwich (which is what this article is about) are that (1) the bread is *sliced* (usually mechanically)and is therefore a uniform thickness of about 1/2 - 3/4 inch with both surfaces composed of the exposed interior of the loaf [the end crust slices are never used](2)the bread is of approximately square section with four near-right-angled corners and straight on at least three sides. Any sort of baked breadish lump just cut in half would not be a sandwich [thus the McDonalds 'sandwich' is actually a bun, and the Subway 'sandwich' is actually a roll]. It may be that such are increasingly erroneously *called* sandwiches, but as Lord Denning famously said in a judgement 'Just because a garden implement with four prongs is called a spade doesn't make it a spade, it is a fork'.
Spreads like peanut butter put between two slices of bread IS NOT a sandwich. This is also true for condiments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.152.25.4 ( talk) 18:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
109.144.239.61 ( talk) 20:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I know someone is likely to change what I wrote. But just remember, blonds have a place on Wikipedia too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond_joke#Blonde_jokes Jeydo ( talk) 06:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
"A sandwich is a food item, typically consisting of two or more slices of bread with one or more fillings between them,[1] or one slice of bread with a topping or toppings, commonly called an open sandwich. Sandwiches are a widely popular type of lunch food, typically taken to work or school, or picnics to be eaten as part of a packed lunch. They generally contain a combination of salad vegetables, meat, cheese, and a variety of sauces or savoury spreads. The bread can be used as it is, or it can be coated with any condiments to enhance flavor and texture. They are widely sold in restaurants and cafes."
The introduction is bland - very un sandwich like
I recommend that the introduction be expanded to include discussion regarding: 1. That there is sandwich in one representation or another in essentially every culture in the world. 2. That the sandwich often has a direct geographical tie expression of the local flair - ex. lobster roll, mufaletta, Banh mi.
Proposed Rewrite: The sandwich is a widely diverse food category that is typically defined by any two slices of a bread with one or more fillings, [1] or one slice of bread with toppings styled as an open face sandwich. Sandwiches are served at every meal but are mostly regarded as a lunch food. This is due to the highly portable nature of the sandwich enabling it to be taken to work, school, picnics etc. Fillings in sandwiches can contain a fully diverse array of foods from meats, cheases, vegetables, spreads, and dressings. Sandwiches exist in nearly every culture in the world in one fashion or another and often the sandwich is equated to the originating culture ex. pananni from Italy, Banh mi from Vietnam, Mufaletta from New Orleans. Beltwaybandit ( talk) 03:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
I wanted to add to the article that, in the Midlands of the UK, 'piece' used to be a common term for a sandwich, but has now largely fallen into disuse. In the far north of Scotland, however, 'piece' is still in daily, but declining, use - but I can't because I'm too new to be allowed to edit the page :-)
Could some kind soul possible add this for me? Actually, better, could some kind soul please *confirm* this usage and how widespread it was (the fact that it was used in two such widely separated locations, both geographically and culturally, suggests that its use may have been far more common than I am aware of) and then add it for me?
Many thanks,
David Shaw - Formerly of Aldridge in the West Midlands and now of John o' Groats in the far north of Scotland :-) Dtmcgm ( talk) 00:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Where is ploughmans? That is a good sandwhich made of cheese, salad, pickle and tomato! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.230.71 ( talk) 14:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
The 'Ploughman's Lunch' was a totally artificial marketing invention by the British Milk Marketing Board in c 1965 inorder to persuade Pubs with no means of preparing hot meals to sell more cheese. The bread, butter, pickle and cheese are in large separate lumps which the customer can combine as they wish. No ploughman pre 1965 ever purchased a 'Ploughman's Lunch'. 109.144.239.61 ( talk) 20:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Not wanting to be pedantic but it describes "butty" as being used as a colloquialism in "Northern United Kingdom" when AFAIK they don't particularly call sandwiches "butties" in Scotland (the Northern United Kingdom) any more than they do in Southern England. Sandwiches are called butties in Northern ENGLAND (Yorkshire etc which is mid-United Kingdom).But the whole expression mid-United Kingdom is a rather weird and ridiculous description anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.41 ( talk) 11:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps the pasty can be mentioned either
Given that it is used in exactly the same way as a sandwich (culturally), I think it should be mentioned here 91.182.56.170 ( talk) 19:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
A pasty is nothing like a sandwich! A pasty completely covers the filling and a sandwich just 'sandwiches' it. The pastry also has to be cooked, cooking the filling too. A sandwich doesn't. A pastry has a more sloppy filling, sandwiches can have a more solid filling. We may as well say pizzas and calzones are basically sandwiches then. Sweetie candykim ( talk) 14:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
"It was named after John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, an 18th-century English aristocrat, although he was neither the inventor nor sustainer of the food." What on earth does "sustainer" even mean in this context? How about "although he did not invent it"? - 66.93.200.116 ( talk) 18:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
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Add to External Links: U.S. Sandwich Council http://sandwichcouncil.tk
Zefareu ( talk) 17:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_butter_and_jelly_sandwich not a disambig page
In the latest issue of the Kid's Discover magazine, the history of the sandwich is given. The original history was much less obvious in phrasing. I have reverted this and then rephrased the history in my own words. I will show you a diff as soon as I can get my hands on it.
Walex03'. talking, working, friending'. 00:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I've undone Walex's edit here that removed a bunch of text with the comment "Reverted vandalism. Sourced from a magazine". First, it's not vandalism - that text is relatively well sourced and has been here for months. Also, which magazine? Can we see this magazine and verify that it's not the converse, i.e. that the magazine took its text from Wikipedia? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 00:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Kids Discover, read my post above.
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Please add new discovered information about the history of Sandwich, having been discovered in Ancient Egypt during Middle Kingdom. The link below describes more about where it was discovered and there is a photo on the page for the oldest bread with meat sandwich found made by Ancient Egyptians, that sandwich is available in the Egyptian Museum.
http://www.ancientegyptmagazine.com/permesut43.htm
It might be that the Rabbi Hillel during his Passover from Egypt learned the Sandwich idea from Ancient Egyptians themselves.
Nohism ( talk) 18:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
There is an excessive list of regional sandwich styles here. Aside from general questions of its necessity (what does such a long list really provide?), there are no citations to provide any convincing evidence any of these are "regional" types, so it runs the risk of being OR (I know my bacon-eating siblings used to make put bacon between slices of toast—so the bacon sandwich hardly seems specific to the UK). Notice also that many of the links contradict the regional specifications here, so anyone wanting to re-add them should confirm the accuracy first. For convenience, it is appended here. — Felix the Cassowary 13:32, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Some of these are distinguished primarily by the bread or method of preparation, rather than the filling.
Thank you! Mshenay ( talk) 14:13, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
"Smörgåsbord is a type of Scandinavian meal served buffet-style with multiple dishes of various foods on a table, originating in Sweden." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.177.86 ( talk) 17:25, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Any culinary construction lacking two pieces of bread should not be defined as a sandwich. discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.141.130.102 ( talk) 17:14, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
A man stands behind a curtain at the end of a hall. In his hand he holds an egg. It hatches, a cat emerging. The cat screams with the voice of a man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.224.12 ( talk) 06:07, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Denied, sandwiches can consist of one piece of bread. These are called "open faced" sandwiches. A Canapé is defined as such, namely an open faced sandwich. I added references (two of them)to the statement about open sandwich . Mshenay ( talk) 13:54, 29 March 2012 (UTC
sandwitches have been poisonis to people. Over 456 people died in Chicago in 1954.This has caused alot of problems.To make this work,eat 4 pieces of garlic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cake3332 ( talk • contribs) 23:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
"...with one or more fillings between them, Sandwiches are..." A period, not a comma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultranothing ( talk • contribs) 06:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I noticed there was recently a reverted edit that attempted to improve wording in the Sandwich basics section. Is this section even necessary? It only restates information from the lead, and its one source doesn't appear to be reliable. I propose the section be removed in its entirety. Ibadibam ( talk) 22:49, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
I was born in India and have lived here since, in all my time I have never heard of a "double rott." Please provide a citation or remove it. Cchowgule ( talk) 05:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
The lead reads "A sandwich is a food item consisting of two or more slices of bread ...", but isn't a wrap a type of sandwich? A wrap has only 1 bread and it is not sliced. Poyani ( talk) 15:12, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Re the story about Hillel...
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Talmud: "the Babylonians are fools, eating bread with bread" . Explained as meaning - even food solidly prepared is eaten by them with bread consequently such would be included in the term 'tabhshil' and forbidden
nedarim 49. Alternatively - referring to the Babylonian habit of eating solid food in a sandwich... found objectionable (p.124 Jewish Local Patriotism and Self-identification in the Graeco-Roman Period, Continuum, 1998). That's to say, the sandwich, or the hillel, is contrary to Dietary Law and naturally predates it.
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Boy, you sure have a passionate interest in sandwiches. I put it to you for the third time that when an academic publication refers to "the Babylonian habit of eating solid food in a sandwich" you don't begin to create a ground of objection until you produce a contradictory academic source. It is not good enough to offer as conclusive the opinion that when they say sandwich they don't mean sandwich.
On the other point, which I made residual, but you revived, my reading of the gloss "ie, even food solidly prepared is eaten by them with bread consequently such would be included in the term 'tabhshil' and forbidden" as implying that 'forbidden' relates to dietary law is clearly different from yours. You may think it doesn't mean forbidden. I simply note that the source implies otherwise but you have an opinion, so fair enough. I'm not an expert on Judaism. This is an article about sandwiches. The point of the reference is that it describes a practice predating the reference in the article. I must say, you've raised yourself to the level of expert twice without citing any sources. You also don't really evaluate the sources I provide.
Thirdly, by implication this contribution invites an examination of the validity of the chronology. Does the 'Hillel' reference have any more substance than the one I bring? You're silent on that. I'm extending you far too much of a courtesy. Frankly :) Hakluyt bean ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 11:23, October 15, 2008.
KinHikhari has tagged this article as requiring globalization. Anybody have any suggestions for specific areas of improvement? Ibadibam ( talk) 17:31, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
In the last section, find the phrase "it prevents the bread from socking up the filling." I believe "socking" is in error, and "soaking" is the intended word. The phrase should be "it prevents the bread from soaking up the filling."
It seems clear to me that this article needs to be primarily about "the sandwich" in the narrow sense of the term, as a food construction that originated in the Western World in relatively modern times, however artificial that distinction may seem to be. If we start to try to "globalize" the article, there is almost no limit to what can be included: potentially this could mean almost any kind of bread-like food substance positioned for consumption in contact with almost any other kind of food. But honestly I think all the more exotic combinations of grain-based substrate with other foods, like samosas, rotis, burritos, pizza, etc, etc need to be in another article, assuming one could come up with a suitable title for it. I have tried to tweak the intro and create an intro to the History section which makes this distinction clearer. Hope other editors see the point of this. Best, Invertzoo ( talk) 21:08, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
A sandwich is a food article made of some filling held on or between sliced bread, or more generally any dish wherein two or more pieces of bread serve as a container for some other food.
"Many sandwiches are handheld and portable; this one is made with salami" -- I want to see the non-portable, non-handheld sandwiches... 131.111.203.58 ( talk) 10:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Whoever wrote that wins the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.88.52.63 ( talk) 06:54, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
"Several examples of unconventional sandwiches include tacos, burritos, and pizza."
This is nonsense. Someone, revert this absolute twaddle. None of these things are sandwiches! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.96.31 ( talk) 00:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
A pizza wouldn't apply, it's not bread with stuff on it, it's dough with stuff on it, then cooked. To call a pizza a sandwich is to open up the possibility of calling pie a sandwich. The others would be sandwiches though. 98.141.48.49 ( talk) 23:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
If the definition of "sandwich" is going to be broadened so as to include any "thing" with "stuff" in/on it, then I suppose everything is a sandwich. My pillow is a cotton sandwich. My corner hutch is a book sandwich. My books are paper sandwiches. You get the idea. Ultranothing ( talk) 05:37, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
A taco is a type of sandwich. — Preceding
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Can we get a better picture for the infobox? The one there now has a hand and napkin in it and it is a bad angle. I think the pictures not in the infobox are fine where they are and a new picture is necessary. — DangerousJXD ( talk) 08:39, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia Editors, there is a discussion about Sailor sandwich article that may relate to this article's topic. Peace MPS ( talk) 16:28, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
This will make 35 active threads on this talk page, many of which haven't been "active" in this decade.
Anyone object to my implementing auto-archive? Mr. Swordfish ( talk) 14:46, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
After bread was invented, people stared mixing their bread with other foods *at mealtimes* in a variety of ways, or they would *pack foods for mobile meals* including bread. All of that belongs in the History of Bread article. All of it is important, all of it is interesting, but none of that relates to the invention of sandwiches, an "aha" moment that is strangely modern. And our sandwich is also "Western". It is quite possible that Aztecs were making tortillas and wraps, and it's quite possible that India had the dosa or pav bhaji; I have no idea, props to them, I don't want to take anything away from them, but it's not a sandwich and it didn't lead to a sandwich. Is it remarkable that somebody thought to remark on and write down Hillel's bread snacking: but it wasn't a sandwich and it didn't lead to the sandwich. The idea of using the bread to assemble a new object, one that could be picked up, carried, and which formed meal by stacking/combining food groups: that's the innovation. We can marvel that with all the different similar bread and meat precursors that nobody thought of it, but writing it up the way it is here is making up progression that was not the progress. IMHO. 74.68.152.245 ( talk) 21:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
You cannot accuse something of being bogus simply because it is not original. Ancient Sumerians invented bread, so by this principle, any other word for bread in any language must be bogus. It is an English word invented for a particular context. One of the most essential conditions is that the item can be eaten with one hand and on the move without spillage. 220.245.41.236 ( talk) 05:44, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
As is quite regular in English the noun "Sandwich" can also be use as a verb where something can be "sandwiched" between one thing and another. This does not always sound as good English, and it is not, however nouns can be done - in English! Osborne 19th May 2010.
Can be an adjective too. "It is a sandwich construction." Noun: "I was the meat in the sandwich." 220.245.41.236 ( talk) 07:06, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
A sandwich is actually a food source, not "item." Consider this when peole get into the mood that a sandwhich is nothing more than a combination of the 'items' used to make the resource happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.235.154.42 ( talk) 19:21, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
This part of the "History" heading:
It was at the same time that the European-stye sandwich finally began to appear outside of Europe.
Contains a misspelling. "European-stye" should be "European-style" — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoherentLogic ( talk • contribs) 22:42, 4 July 2016
Not quite true. Hot bacon inside a roll would be called a "bacon roll", a "bacon burger" specifically refers to a burger containing both a beefburger and bacon. 2A00:81C0:0:20:6631:50FF:FE3B:8A49 ( talk) 17:29, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Not true. I am from the UK and we still use the term sandwich when using other forms of bread including rolls. Suggest replacing "always" which is factually incorrect with "often", — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.229.84.126 ( talk) 11:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Reference #1 is really paywalled, but the information is available from multiple other sources, such as http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/11/10/massachusetts-judge-settles-dispute-by-ruling-burrito-is-not-sandwich.html. Could someone update the reference to reflect a meaningful source, like the one I posted? I don't really know how to do this without simply creating a new reference and dropping that in its place, which I don't think is kosher. MarchHare ( talk) 20:23, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
The colloquial "toppings" is more frequently used than "fillings" when speaking of sandwich "contents".
There is a paucity of scholarship exploring how "toppings" has become normative despite its more appropriate use for strictly open faced sandwiches.
I think any entry worthy of a good sandwich would be remiss without a treatment of said item's anatomy. The problem is that this could engender a dispute over the two leading terms contending as descriptors for sandwich contents. rasqual ( talk) 03:16, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Please! No one wants to see a napkin and a hand in the literal first result for one of the most important foods in the worlds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.103.20 ( talk) 01:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I suppose we have to explain what a BLT is. Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 14:29, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone have a non-paywalled source for White City Shopping Ctr., LP v. PR Rests., LLC, 21 Mass. L. Rep. 565 (Mass. Super. Ct. 2006) ?
I found a paywalled source, but it requires a subscription to CaseText. 67.176.93.29 ( talk) 16:26, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Does a sandwich require the bread to be leavened? This would provide proper clarification that food items using tortillas are not considered sandwiches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.196.210 ( talk) 18:37, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
On wikipedia article called List of Sandwiches, I see no examples listed that contain tortillas or any type of unleavened bread.
This section is complete nonsense, and devoid of citations: in the UK - although the word "sandwich" most typically refers to something made with sliced bread (this being the most common type of bread consumed) - it is also commonly used to refer to a roll or a baguette. The statement that anything with a hot filling is called a burger is also flagrantly untrue: see (inter alia) bacon sandwiches and chip butties. I can't edit the page for some reason but I'd suggest a better wording would be along the lines of:
"In the United Kingdom and Australia, the term sandwich typically refers only to an item which uses sliced bread from a loaf, but may also refer to a filling served within a baguette or roll. citation needed In South Australia, there is a regional variant of the roll, superficially similar to a club sandwich, where the bread roll is sliced three times with parallel cuts, and filling is put in the first and third openings, but not the second. This makes the resulting double cut roll easier to handle: the top half and the bottom half are eaten separately. citation needed Many hot item based on a bread roll are referred to as burgers, and never as sandwiches; citation needed exceptions to this include steak sandwiches, bacon sandwiches and chip butties." 2A00:23C4:4F07:1000:51ED:B111:9877:ABB1 ( talk) 11:51, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
This article could mention Danish open sandwiches - a single slice of bread with something on top of it. Vorbee ( talk) 10:19, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Editors would do well to read this and revise the boldness of their language:
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In its current form, references 3 and 4 refer to the same page on the same book. As I am unfamiliar with citations, I am writing this to request that the two be merged. Itskieran ( talk) 11:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
The beginning of this article says "two or more pieces of bread serve as a container or wrapper for another food type."
However, the article has several pictures of sandwiches with one piece of bread, e.g. a roll that has been sliced open but not split into two. Many sandwiches, such as cheesesteaks and meatball subs, are frequently made this way to prevent filling from falling out the bottom. They do not fail to qualify as sandwiches on account of this.
Wouldn't it be more correct to state that "one or more pieces of bread serve as a container or wrapper for another food type?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.125.124.170 ( talk) 18:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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A sandwich can have connected or unconnected bread as the two slices. Lilygabric69 ( talk) 06:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
A hot dog is the same as a sub sandwich exept with a sausage Johnymcjohn ( talk) 10:10, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
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I was skeptical of the claim:
"The word butty (a reference to the fact that butter is often used in British sandwiches)"
and went to find a couple of sources to add: http://www.makingstrange.net/2010/03/british-oddities-behold-chip-butty.html https://www.dictionary.com/browse/butty 92.12.62.37 ( talk) 06:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
TACOS ARE NOT SANDWICHESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.191.219.171 ( talk) 18:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Samwidge. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. TheAwesome Hwyh 02:08, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Re reference 1, the court case concerning White City in Massachusetts, that concluded that a sandwich is made with two slices of bread. Therefore an item such as a burrito is not a sandwich. Re reference 2, the dictionary definition cited also mentions two slices of bread.
Why include "wrapper" and then cite two references that are counter to that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.79.134 ( talk) 16:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
The debunk of Marks and Spencer's being the first to market pre-packed sandwiches is sourced to two subsequent editions of the Radio Times, which I assume could only be the letters page. Readers writing to a magazine to say how they remember something differently would not be a reliable enough source to downgrade the weight of a researched Guardian story. Pinging Bkesselman ( talk · contribs) to ask if they can clarify, but I'll remove the Radio Times sourced content for now. -- Lord Belbury ( talk) 09:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
sandwiches - two separate pieces of what is typically bread with some sort of food that is not the same as the outer pieces separating the two.
Therefore: Hotdogs are not sandwiches. Open bread sandwiches are NOT sandwiches. (Including Toast, PB & J without the other piece, etc.) Burritos are NOT sandwiches. Pizza is NOT a sandwich. Anything that conforms to these expectations are sandwiches. Anything that differs is NOT a sandwich.
I did not cite a source, because I am the one who wrote this. Does this mean that this definition is incorrect? No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caillou.guac ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps this is a bet western-centric of me, but the headline image for this article doesn't seem to be particularly appetizing. While I know that this isn't any kind of requirement for a food article, I feel like we could just do better.
At some point in 2013 the image in question for the infobox image was a lovely image of a salmon and cream cheese sandwich. At some point, this image was relegated to the gallery and the image was in the infobox was changed to a picture of a woman holding a salami sandwich. This image wasn't great, so it was later changed to a BLT after a mention on the talk page a few years ago. In late 2020, it was changed to the not very tasty looking egg sandwich we have today. The reasoning for this change was valid, however, I think it lowered the overall quality of the page.
I'm not entirely certain what image would work best, so I thought it would be ideal to reach out to the maintainers of this page and food wiki in general and solicit some thoughts. Let's do sandwiches the justice they deserve. :) -- allthefoxes ( Talk) 07:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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The picture of a sandwich is actually a roll. The article gives a clear definition of the distinction between the two, yet fails to apply this. The picture should be changed to a sandwich made of TWO SLICES OF BREAD 89.168.225.2 ( talk) 21:37, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Turkey and cheese. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 9#Turkey and cheese until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 15:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
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The definition of a sandwich in the article is "A sandwich is a food typically consisting of vegetables [...] placed on or between slices of bread" (line 1). But a few sentences after it is said that "[...] definition of sandwich; and specifically whether a hot dog or open sandwich can be categorized as such." (line 2-3). Therefore the definition can't be right when it is generally discussed if an open sandwich is a sandwich. The "on"-part should be removed. Tivikus ( talk) 21:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
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Change the picture for the page. an egg sandwich is not a valid sandwich 69.113.226.125 ( talk) 02:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Article is tagged {{ Use British English}} and yet most of it is based on the American English definition of the word sandwich not the narrower British one. It seems to me like the tag is wrong and the article is really written in American English after all, when American English is determining the very article scope (i.e. the meaning of the word in the article title.) I suppose the other option would be to trim the article's content down to match the British meaning of the word, but that's probably the worse option. I also think that the article needs to focus more on the fact that sandwich means different things in different English varieties. It didn't mention that fact until half way down the page; I've added mention of that to the lede, but I still feel like the article could do with more focus on that issue. Mr248 ( talk) 05:36, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Good day/night, We need to add a hot dog as an example of a sandwich. It meets all the definitions of a sandwich.
The USDA defines a hot dog as “a meat or poultry filling between two slices of bread, a bun, or a biscuit.”. A hot dog bun accounts for the bun aspect, and the main meat accounts for the meat aspect. By the United States Department of Agriculture’s definition, a hot dog is a sandwich. We need to give it the simple right of not being shunned by sandwich-dom. A hot dog deserves to be counted as a sandwich, and we shall give it that right.
Sincerely, An anonymous Wikipedia user 108.18.29.120 ( talk) 16:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
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My request is to remove the burger image, it is not a sandwich, source: https://www.slamwichscratchkitchen.com/burger-vs-sandwich/ Leandromicael123 ( talk) 10:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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talk) 08:44, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Get help please. If an encyclopedia is supposed to be for reference the most common types of sandwiches should be used. Not some monstrosity. 2601:580:4581:7AD0:587:BCCE:AAE6:52B5 ( talk) 19:41, 7 December 2022 (UTC)