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Belarusian nobility article was such a mess that it was deleted. This article was created instead. As I said in the AfD, the concept of Belarusian nobility may be notable - but please use reliable sources while discussing it. OR and nationalist pov pushing is not welcome. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:48, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
The information from the Belarusian nobility article definitely should be here. It's a huge part of the Ruthenian nobility topic. In fact, most Ruthenian nobility was from Belarus. I checked the claim made here there was not a majority to delete the Belarusian nobility article, and it's true. I agree the old article was a mess, yet it also had a lot of valuable information and references. Instead of deleting the information, makes suggestions to improve it. Put citation needed tags or even better find the references!
Also, the argument that the Belarusian nobility article was unreferenced is exaggerated. Most of it is well referenced! History and Polinization are well referenced sections. The rest can be easily referenced. 79.180.31.23 ( talk) 19:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
What parts of Ruthenia was sparsely populated or abandoned by native population? answer of that question should be written in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.8.171.19 ( talk) 08:03, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
From what point do we speak of "Ruthenian" nobility rather than "Rus'" nobility? This article does not mention a date earlier than "14th century". The linked ukwiki article uk:Українська шляхта, literally "Ukrainian szlachta", starts the section on "Формування шляхти" (formation of the szlachta) with "At the end of the 14th century, almost the entire territory of Ukraine became part of the Lithuanian-Rus' state." The previous section mentions "1387" as a precise date, although the end of the Galician–Volhynian Wars in 1349 and the Battle of Blue Waters of 1362/3 are possible earlier dates for this incorporation (at least in a territorial sense). For its part, the Szlachta itself mentions 1333 is the first significant date for the development of the szlachta in Poland, while in 1274, Polish nobles were still rycerz (from German Ritter, meaning "knight"). Finally, Szlachta#Ruthenia starts with "After the principalities of Halych and Volhynia became integrated with the Grand Duchy, Ruthenia's nobility gradually rendered loyalty to [Lithuania]." So, lots of different dates, but they all point to the 14th century and no earlier. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 11:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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Belarusian nobility article was such a mess that it was deleted. This article was created instead. As I said in the AfD, the concept of Belarusian nobility may be notable - but please use reliable sources while discussing it. OR and nationalist pov pushing is not welcome. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:48, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
The information from the Belarusian nobility article definitely should be here. It's a huge part of the Ruthenian nobility topic. In fact, most Ruthenian nobility was from Belarus. I checked the claim made here there was not a majority to delete the Belarusian nobility article, and it's true. I agree the old article was a mess, yet it also had a lot of valuable information and references. Instead of deleting the information, makes suggestions to improve it. Put citation needed tags or even better find the references!
Also, the argument that the Belarusian nobility article was unreferenced is exaggerated. Most of it is well referenced! History and Polinization are well referenced sections. The rest can be easily referenced. 79.180.31.23 ( talk) 19:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
What parts of Ruthenia was sparsely populated or abandoned by native population? answer of that question should be written in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.8.171.19 ( talk) 08:03, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
From what point do we speak of "Ruthenian" nobility rather than "Rus'" nobility? This article does not mention a date earlier than "14th century". The linked ukwiki article uk:Українська шляхта, literally "Ukrainian szlachta", starts the section on "Формування шляхти" (formation of the szlachta) with "At the end of the 14th century, almost the entire territory of Ukraine became part of the Lithuanian-Rus' state." The previous section mentions "1387" as a precise date, although the end of the Galician–Volhynian Wars in 1349 and the Battle of Blue Waters of 1362/3 are possible earlier dates for this incorporation (at least in a territorial sense). For its part, the Szlachta itself mentions 1333 is the first significant date for the development of the szlachta in Poland, while in 1274, Polish nobles were still rycerz (from German Ritter, meaning "knight"). Finally, Szlachta#Ruthenia starts with "After the principalities of Halych and Volhynia became integrated with the Grand Duchy, Ruthenia's nobility gradually rendered loyalty to [Lithuania]." So, lots of different dates, but they all point to the 14th century and no earlier. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 11:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)