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I like this article, Ghirlandajo. You have done a good job here. However, the article could be even better if we tried to avoid sweeping statements without much justification. Thus: During the 1660s, the international situation was more favourable to Poland than ever. Really, better than at any time throughout its whole history since 966? Or: These brilliant feats of arms — utterly unprecedented in Russo-Polish relations - "brilliant" is a bit POV, considering the Commonwealth was exhausted by the war it was embroiled in since 1648. And "utterly unprecedented" is also a bit misleading, considering previous episodes, such as the Polish occupation of Moscow. Balcer 13:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to second Balcer here, both commending Ghirla on this nice contribution, and agreeing that some of the language here is a not too encyclopedic - a bit too much words like 'brilliant', for example (we don't describe the events of 1606-12 as brilliant, do we?). Nothing major, though.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 16:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
We have Fyodor Sheremetev but Ukrainian wiki has uk:Шереметєв Василь Борисович. 2 different people, or is Fyodor incorrect? Balcer 18:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Why the title is Russo-Polish War? The name of the country was still Muscovy. Compare this to two other articles about the same country and virtually the same wars: Muscovite-Lithuanian Wars, Polish–Muscovite War (1605–1618) - and than all of a sudden it is Russo-Polish? The difference is only 40 years? What has fundamentally changed? In particular, the article about Muscovy clearly states: Muscovy (Moscow principality (княжество Московское) to Grand Duchy of Moscow (Великое Княжество Московское) to Russian Tsardom (Царство Русское)) is a traditional Western name for the Russian state that existed from the 14th century to the late 17th century. Events described in the article are clearly the late 17th century, so why is the name of the country wrong? Is anyone afraid or ashamed of name Muscovy?-- Hillock65 21:21, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that we have a problem here. IMO, it lies primarily with the Muscovy article that needs cleaned up. As for Rus/Russia, the former is the broader term than the latter, obviously. And Russia is certainly a proper name not only in the modern but also in the historic context and multiple sources confirm that. Also, it was a self-appelation of the nation from well before the 17th century. This debate is old and ongoing on many pages and we should settle this once and for all. -- Irpen 22:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, the English sources have been shown to you and Piotrus multiple times at various talk pages. Endless arguing aimed at simply tiring your opponent does not cut much ice. -- Irpen 23:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I do not see the global tag is warranted over this issue here. I will find the links for Balcer though. -- Irpen 23:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
In the majority of Russian scholarly work that I saw, with the exception of modern nationalist ranting, in the description of Muscovy-Poland war of the end of the 17th century the country is named Moscow and never Russia. So, if even Russian historians, as can be seen from sources, call it Moscow, why all of a sudden it should be Russia and in the English Wikipedia! -- Hillock65 13:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I must apologize for the rash move. Sudden move of one of my articles by one of the users led me to believe it wasn't a big deal. I was wrong, my apologies. I will warn next time and will expect the same from other users. Thank you all for the info.-- Hillock65 22:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I offer to raname this article to Russo-Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth War of 1654–1667 Samogitia ( talk) 10:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
According to the battlebox of this article, the Crimean Khanate fought on the side of the Commonwealth. However, according to Khmelnytsky Uprising, it fought on both sides.
Moreover, according to this article, the Cossack leader Ivan Vyhovsky fought on the side of the Commonwealth but the battlebox only lists Cossacks on the Russian side.
Top.Squark ( talk) 17:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Russo-Polish War (1654–1667). Favonian ( talk) 20:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Russo–Polish War (1654–67) → Russo-Polish War (1654–1667) – There is no en dash in "Russo-Polish War" because "Russo" is a combining form; see MOS:ENDASH. 50.46.248.86 ( talk) 20:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
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![]() | A fact from Russo-Polish War (1654–1667) appeared on Wikipedia's
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Did you know column on 8 September 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:
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I like this article, Ghirlandajo. You have done a good job here. However, the article could be even better if we tried to avoid sweeping statements without much justification. Thus: During the 1660s, the international situation was more favourable to Poland than ever. Really, better than at any time throughout its whole history since 966? Or: These brilliant feats of arms — utterly unprecedented in Russo-Polish relations - "brilliant" is a bit POV, considering the Commonwealth was exhausted by the war it was embroiled in since 1648. And "utterly unprecedented" is also a bit misleading, considering previous episodes, such as the Polish occupation of Moscow. Balcer 13:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to second Balcer here, both commending Ghirla on this nice contribution, and agreeing that some of the language here is a not too encyclopedic - a bit too much words like 'brilliant', for example (we don't describe the events of 1606-12 as brilliant, do we?). Nothing major, though.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 16:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
We have Fyodor Sheremetev but Ukrainian wiki has uk:Шереметєв Василь Борисович. 2 different people, or is Fyodor incorrect? Balcer 18:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Why the title is Russo-Polish War? The name of the country was still Muscovy. Compare this to two other articles about the same country and virtually the same wars: Muscovite-Lithuanian Wars, Polish–Muscovite War (1605–1618) - and than all of a sudden it is Russo-Polish? The difference is only 40 years? What has fundamentally changed? In particular, the article about Muscovy clearly states: Muscovy (Moscow principality (княжество Московское) to Grand Duchy of Moscow (Великое Княжество Московское) to Russian Tsardom (Царство Русское)) is a traditional Western name for the Russian state that existed from the 14th century to the late 17th century. Events described in the article are clearly the late 17th century, so why is the name of the country wrong? Is anyone afraid or ashamed of name Muscovy?-- Hillock65 21:21, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that we have a problem here. IMO, it lies primarily with the Muscovy article that needs cleaned up. As for Rus/Russia, the former is the broader term than the latter, obviously. And Russia is certainly a proper name not only in the modern but also in the historic context and multiple sources confirm that. Also, it was a self-appelation of the nation from well before the 17th century. This debate is old and ongoing on many pages and we should settle this once and for all. -- Irpen 22:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Balcer, the English sources have been shown to you and Piotrus multiple times at various talk pages. Endless arguing aimed at simply tiring your opponent does not cut much ice. -- Irpen 23:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I do not see the global tag is warranted over this issue here. I will find the links for Balcer though. -- Irpen 23:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
In the majority of Russian scholarly work that I saw, with the exception of modern nationalist ranting, in the description of Muscovy-Poland war of the end of the 17th century the country is named Moscow and never Russia. So, if even Russian historians, as can be seen from sources, call it Moscow, why all of a sudden it should be Russia and in the English Wikipedia! -- Hillock65 13:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I must apologize for the rash move. Sudden move of one of my articles by one of the users led me to believe it wasn't a big deal. I was wrong, my apologies. I will warn next time and will expect the same from other users. Thank you all for the info.-- Hillock65 22:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I offer to raname this article to Russo-Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth War of 1654–1667 Samogitia ( talk) 10:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
According to the battlebox of this article, the Crimean Khanate fought on the side of the Commonwealth. However, according to Khmelnytsky Uprising, it fought on both sides.
Moreover, according to this article, the Cossack leader Ivan Vyhovsky fought on the side of the Commonwealth but the battlebox only lists Cossacks on the Russian side.
Top.Squark ( talk) 17:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Russo-Polish War (1654–1667). Favonian ( talk) 20:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Russo–Polish War (1654–67) → Russo-Polish War (1654–1667) – There is no en dash in "Russo-Polish War" because "Russo" is a combining form; see MOS:ENDASH. 50.46.248.86 ( talk) 20:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)