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Additional comments
This article was created in 2006, at which time the Ukulele Hall of Fame had very different text for Smeck. (You can see it
in archive by hovering over his picture.) Beyond that, one of the key things we look for is a sign of natural evolution. We have that here.
Here, for instance, the original order of paragraphs is rearranged - more into the order we find at the external site. It makes more sense that they copied from a later version of our article than that the original editor copied the content in a different order and then put it back. We see more content added that will eventually make its way to the site:
[1],
[2]. Evidence suggests that they have based some of their biography on our article. --
Moonriddengirl(talk)00:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I was working on a biography and realized that the wording was almost identical, same order, etc., flags that someone had been copying someone.
First of all, it is entirely possible that this a reverse copy job and there isn't a problem. I don't know how to go about figuring that out at this point.
Second, if it is a problem, I want to work on a re-write and don't want the work to disappear, have it pegged to my sandbox or something, but not deleted.
Unfortunately, the book was self-published. In my very limited reading of it, I didn't see much of a case for claiming that he was a jazz guitarist of any stature, despite the line that you quoted. I was here to deal with old tags (cn from 10 years ago in this case) in jazz articles and found no mention of jazz in the article, so cut the infobox and categories that mentioned jazz... and then I removed the jazz project too. I'm not bothered if you restore the article to the jazz project, but please add some sourced information to support his being a jazz musician (not just someone who was influenced by jazz or occasionally played in jazz bands) to justify the inclusion.
EddieHugh (
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22:08, 10 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Why does he have to be a "jazz player of stature"? Part of the difficulty here is that Smeck was a very eclectic player; I'm not sure how I would classify his compositions. The current categorization here (country, ragtime, Hawaiian) is inadequate; "country" seems a bit odd, too.
--jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 23:01, 10 January 2020 (UTC)reply
He doesn't have to be a jazz player of stature, but he should be someone who was more than peripherally associated with jazz. Occasionally playing in bands that are strongly associated with jazz, while not actually being a jazz musician, isn't enough (for me, anyway). "Sui generis" in the infobox? Or just leave it blank?
EddieHugh (
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12:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)reply
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This article is substantially duplicated by a piece in an external publication. Please do not flag this article as a copyright violation of the following source:
Roy Smeck, Ukulele Hall of Fame, publication date unknown {{
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help)
Additional comments
This article was created in 2006, at which time the Ukulele Hall of Fame had very different text for Smeck. (You can see it
in archive by hovering over his picture.) Beyond that, one of the key things we look for is a sign of natural evolution. We have that here.
Here, for instance, the original order of paragraphs is rearranged - more into the order we find at the external site. It makes more sense that they copied from a later version of our article than that the original editor copied the content in a different order and then put it back. We see more content added that will eventually make its way to the site:
[1],
[2]. Evidence suggests that they have based some of their biography on our article. --
Moonriddengirl(talk)00:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I was working on a biography and realized that the wording was almost identical, same order, etc., flags that someone had been copying someone.
First of all, it is entirely possible that this a reverse copy job and there isn't a problem. I don't know how to go about figuring that out at this point.
Second, if it is a problem, I want to work on a re-write and don't want the work to disappear, have it pegged to my sandbox or something, but not deleted.
Unfortunately, the book was self-published. In my very limited reading of it, I didn't see much of a case for claiming that he was a jazz guitarist of any stature, despite the line that you quoted. I was here to deal with old tags (cn from 10 years ago in this case) in jazz articles and found no mention of jazz in the article, so cut the infobox and categories that mentioned jazz... and then I removed the jazz project too. I'm not bothered if you restore the article to the jazz project, but please add some sourced information to support his being a jazz musician (not just someone who was influenced by jazz or occasionally played in jazz bands) to justify the inclusion.
EddieHugh (
talk)
22:08, 10 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Why does he have to be a "jazz player of stature"? Part of the difficulty here is that Smeck was a very eclectic player; I'm not sure how I would classify his compositions. The current categorization here (country, ragtime, Hawaiian) is inadequate; "country" seems a bit odd, too.
--jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 23:01, 10 January 2020 (UTC)reply
He doesn't have to be a jazz player of stature, but he should be someone who was more than peripherally associated with jazz. Occasionally playing in bands that are strongly associated with jazz, while not actually being a jazz musician, isn't enough (for me, anyway). "Sui generis" in the infobox? Or just leave it blank?
EddieHugh (
talk)
12:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)reply