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ICUALL. ; ) HI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.50.71.238 ( talk) 23:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I think that many links to Venice can be pointed here. It'll take some man-hours... -- Joy [shallot] 00:20, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
There are no primary three footnotes. The Machiavelli reference is a secondary footnote to back up the second footnote. That there is cooraborating evidence for the case. Please understand that. WHEELER 14:23, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This articles needs to be expanded in the History. It stops in 1848 and leaves a large blank spot. It doesn't cover any important events after 1848 or tell what happened when it became a self goverining state/country. 209.129.85.4 02:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Uh... It's shows that it existed in the 8th century in the first paragraph, however... in the box to the right... it says 9th...
Reference to Heraclea article does not include the Heraclea in question for Venice, which I assume is an island or community in the lagoon....all Heraclea cities mentioned in the link are cities in other parts of the Mediterrean.,
I received this message, after my request of use of material to [www.veneto.org www.veneto.org]
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I'll slowly add material from their historical section. In exchange, I promised to mantain a link to their site at the en of the article, so please leave it. Bye. -- Attilios 21:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)-- Attilios 21:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I split the history section off into its own article.-- Kross Talk 21:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I think is better if someone able put a map of the Maximum extent of the repubblic. The map posted show just the republic at the end. At the maximum extent there was also an half Greece, Cyprus, etc.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.50.31.86 ( talk) 11:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
The map that show the repubblic at the end in 1796 is wrong. There is also a part of lombardy that was alredy lost by the repubblic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.50.31.86 ( talk) 11:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
Why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Euyyn ( talk • contribs) 14:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
If you follow the lineage here a decent argument could be made that Venice consitutes a legitimate successor state of the Roman Empire. You have: Roman Empire; Empire Splits; Western Empire Falls, Eastern Empire reconquers Italy, Venice forms initially as a Byzantine province, Venice breaks away from Byzantine control (but not because it is conquered by anybody); Byzantine Empire falls to Turks.....is this too much of a stretch....Can it be said that the Roman Empire didn't completely fall until 1797? ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.196.210 ( talk) 18:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Official name was "Ducatus Venetus" (latin).-- Vu Duc Thang 17:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't see anywhere references to the environmental destruction wreaked by Venice on the forests of the area, and their subsequent inability to build their own ships (having to import hulls from other countries), which circumstance contributed to their decline.
I have a concern about the lead paragraph of the article. In what sense can we say that the "Republic of Venice ... was an Italian state", especially in the 12th through 14th centuries when the Republic was at its height? It seems rather presentist to say that the Republic (1100-1490) was Italian. It is probably more correct to say that it, along with other city states and peninsular territories became Italian. We would not call Attila the Hun German. What do others think? N2e ( talk) 13:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
HI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.245.59.225 ( talk) 04:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The article doesn't claim that Venice was of Italian nationality; it says it was Italian. Italian by culture, and by geography (Italy did exist as a geographical expression at the time, to rephrase Bismark —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.237.142.7 ( talk) 09:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn´t say that the Venetian Culture is typically "italian": what does Venice has of "italian"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.114.214.246 ( talk) 22:46, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Some islands which are nowadays in Greece were once Venitian weren't they? How come they do not feature in the main map. - Tigris the Majestic ( talk) 15:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I do not recall that Venice had built up an empire in Dalmatia by 1000 AD. In fact, it was still nominally subservient to Byzantines at this time. The dalmatian cities were factually independent, nominally under Byzantine rule. Hxseek ( talk) 14:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
The enormous importance Venice has in these fields surely deserves some mention? It was one of the leading musical centers of the world from at least early 1600 to the middle of the 1700 century. "Venetian opera" is a key concept within opera today with works such as L‘incoronazione di Poppea by Monteverdi (1642) along with several others still being played all over the world. 80.202.84.36 ( talk) 20:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I removed this:
The insurance company " Assicurazioni Generali" adopted on its foundation in 1831, and uses up to the present, a logo derived from the flag of the Republic of Venice.
This is advertising - not allowed. The article is not about the company, which has its own article. Give us a break, will you? Dave ( talk) 00:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The labels on File:Republik Venedig.png and File:Venezianische Kolonien.png are not in English. -- Beland ( talk) 17:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
While trying to stub-sort a new stub on Great Council of Venice (is this the same thing?), I notice that the text of this article, Government section, says "powers were shared with the [[Major Council of Venice|(Major) Council}} , composed of 480 members taken from certain families," but the diagram beside it describes the "Maggior Consiglio" as having "more than 2000 members". Someone might like to check and sort this out? PamD ( talk) 11:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
You say: 'At some point in the first decades of the eighth century, the people of the lagoon elected their first leader Ursus (or Orso Ipato), who was confirmed by Byzantium and given the titles of hypatus and dux. He was the first historical Doge of Venice.'
But in the Ursus article I found: 'Orso Ipato (Latin Ursus) was the third traditional Doge of Venice (726–742) and the first historically known.'
Other articles, like 'List of Doges of Venice' also say that there were other leaders before him.
So what is correct? And could you please name your sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.162.21.121 ( talk) 15:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
The so called "terra ferma" was an imperial fief possesed by Venice untill the death of Emp. Sigismond of Luxembourg in 1437 (opus cit.: Baum, Wilhelm.: Emperor Sigismond).
are a slavic tribe called veneti or wends. there is another venice in eastern republic of Macedonia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.125.224.4 ( talk) 11:04, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Saved from user's first edit, interesting, but needs citing and wikifying:
Actually, in maritime terms, Venice was able to defend itself quite adequately. Buonaparte's attempt to enter the lagoon, entrusted to the ill-named Libérateur d'Italie, was quite easily repulsed. (The failure of this incursion was one of his reasons for fury at the Venetian Republic.) Venetian land forces were relatively weak, but after the rising of Verona against French aggression, it was principally the fear of reprisals that prompted the Venetian state to decide against any form of armed resistance. Norwich is not a trustworthy source on this topic.
There are various works that might be usefully cited on the fall of Venice, but in English one might start with David Laven, Venice and Venetia under the Habsburgs (OUP, 2002).
The mayor of Yurp ( talk) 21:06, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
This is a photo of somebody's dog. OK? This is either misplaced or someone's idea of a joke.
Why is it that there is not option to "report" a photograph? (ie, as irrelevant.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.255.102.135 ( talk) 04:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Where is this statement coming from? Sounds reasonable but if it is included in brackets, the source should be mentioned. The article as a whole lacks citations and, it being blocked, doesn't allow for people to make changes.-- 88.117.59.144 ( talk) 18:44, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I just found that that there is a Republic of Venice article, and a History of the Republic of Venice article!
Talk about redundancy! One article has to go, Pronto! -- Lubiesque ( talk) 00:04, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Any proof that Juditha triumphans have had such status? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.252.126.70 ( talk) 08:38, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
The Venetian names don't agree in the text and in the side bar; compare:
"Serenìsima Repùblica de Venesia" with "Serenìsima Respùblica de Venexia"
Is anyone sure which of these two, if either is accurate? acrichmond ( talk) 13:58, 07 Oct 2013 (UTC)
this categories need to be removed:
- History of Lebanon
- History of Russia
- Modern history of Slovenia
- History of Syria
- History of Tunisia
- Medieval Ukraine
they have no place in the article — Preceding
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79.30.94.108 (
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Could somebody verify this? The map doesn't show the Republic of Venice reaching as far as Ukraine. I'd be very curious to find out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.61.188.192 ( talk) 21:18, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
This article overstates the importance of military actions in being the causes of venice becoming a significant european power. The article doesn't even mention the Collegantia, which (alongside Byzantine's help) was the driving force behind the economic prominence of the city. It was the economics that enabled the military, not the other way around. Also, the decline of venice started when the people made rich because of the Collegantia institution abandoned it in greedy attempts to hoard more money for themselves. Fresheneesz ( talk) 08:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
This article (+ Wikipedia generally) need more background on the legal codes and history of Venice. One of the Tiepolo doges has a note on his personal page mentioning he finished a codification of the statutes begun under Enrico Dandolo but there's no other information anywhere in the encyclopedia. Help? — LlywelynII 09:03, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
The Venetian lira page doesn't give a date for its introduction, but the dates it does provide suggest it far postdates the Republic's glory period. What were people using in the 13th–16th centuries? Florins? — LlywelynII 11:44, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
'Republic' did not have the democratic connotations as it does today. By the time of Venice, a republic WAS a mixed government model (E.g. Roman republic), so you can't say that the city claimed to be a republic when that exactly was what a republic was, and judge it by today's standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.8.194 ( talk) 12:48, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
"to capture Zara, a city that had rebelled years ago and was a concurrent to Venice" - the word "concurrent" means "occurring at the same time". It makes no sense in this context. Is this a mistranslation? 74.79.159.31 ( talk) 15:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Hey, I am just coming here as somebody has used wikipedia to edit a historical mod on a video game and found out that La Serenissima along Wikipedia was formally known (I'd say informally, sure, but if formally it was La Serenissima) as "The most Serene". This could be working in 1800 .- 1900 times of nationalism and distortion of heritage and cultural goods theft and creation of "race" which has brought problems up to today, all these came with the new socialist movements that created huge problems and wars in our communities, but this is a time in which we have UNESCO, UN, we have the Universal Cultural Goods charts, we know Cultural Goods are universal, we are in time of diversity respect and most of all we have developed a deep enough sensibility to know that a proper noun cannot be translated if at the stake there are unsure origins that still need to be researched. If we use for formally known "the most serene" we are using an informal and divulgative tone over historical facts that should be treated with respect: imagine a newspaper that in England or in English speaking communities at the time was calling "The most serene" republic of Venice has declared war on the Ottomans and on Piracy ... This would never happen, imagine this happening in France in the Prussian territories... they would all refer to Venice as Republic Of Venice or anyway Wenedig, La Serenissima or simply La Serenissima. This is not an adjective even if it is sounding and "comes from adjectives" this is a noble title originating title. Nothing strange, but yet it's not supposed to be translated. Sure one can say "this is the meaning" but calling it officially "the most serene" is a pure hole in the water. Sorry but I can't stand these imprecision, and also see a "revert" back because "what I am saying is too mysthical"! Hey... I gave multiple times explanations and I am referred as "evanescent and mystically transported? in my theories" ...
The thing is clear. La Serenissima is not an adjective and there is no way in any time you can refer to Venezia as "The most serene" because it simply doesn't mean the most serene, we don't yet know what it means and thus you are stating the false if you say, just because you need to translate it, that that's the meaning. The meaning can be written of course I am not discussing it, but that's not going to be ever a proper decision if it goes also to influence the MAIN NAME which people should know to understand that it's about more than an adjective. Falsifying the value of entries is something that Wikipedia cannot afford if it wants to be called an Encyclopedia, or we are going to discuss what an Encyclopedia is, now here. Albero1 17:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Just curious...why are there two completely different versions of the coat of arms? English Wikipedia Italian Wikipedia Seloloving ( talk) 10:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I find it dubious that the Republic of Venice had a national anthem. As the article on National anthems explains, they mostly became a thing in the 1830s (the Marseillaise is a bit earlier, but even the time between its adoption and the fall of the Republic of Venice was very brief). A few royal anthems from the Early Modern period predated them, but obviously, being a republic, Venice couldn't have one. 87.126.21.225 ( talk) 06:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
The language of the original names given in the lede is Venetian, but I believe that the actual republic just used standard Italian (and Latin) and it seems appropriate to give those first and Venetian afterwards. 87.126.21.225 ( talk) 06:59, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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ICUALL. ; ) HI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.50.71.238 ( talk) 23:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I think that many links to Venice can be pointed here. It'll take some man-hours... -- Joy [shallot] 00:20, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
There are no primary three footnotes. The Machiavelli reference is a secondary footnote to back up the second footnote. That there is cooraborating evidence for the case. Please understand that. WHEELER 14:23, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This articles needs to be expanded in the History. It stops in 1848 and leaves a large blank spot. It doesn't cover any important events after 1848 or tell what happened when it became a self goverining state/country. 209.129.85.4 02:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Uh... It's shows that it existed in the 8th century in the first paragraph, however... in the box to the right... it says 9th...
Reference to Heraclea article does not include the Heraclea in question for Venice, which I assume is an island or community in the lagoon....all Heraclea cities mentioned in the link are cities in other parts of the Mediterrean.,
I received this message, after my request of use of material to [www.veneto.org www.veneto.org]
“ | Dear Attilio,
feel free to use the contents of Veneto.org as you wish. Lodovico Pizzati President Veneto.org |
” |
I'll slowly add material from their historical section. In exchange, I promised to mantain a link to their site at the en of the article, so please leave it. Bye. -- Attilios 21:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)-- Attilios 21:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I split the history section off into its own article.-- Kross Talk 21:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I think is better if someone able put a map of the Maximum extent of the repubblic. The map posted show just the republic at the end. At the maximum extent there was also an half Greece, Cyprus, etc.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.50.31.86 ( talk) 11:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
The map that show the repubblic at the end in 1796 is wrong. There is also a part of lombardy that was alredy lost by the repubblic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.50.31.86 ( talk) 11:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
Why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Euyyn ( talk • contribs) 14:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
If you follow the lineage here a decent argument could be made that Venice consitutes a legitimate successor state of the Roman Empire. You have: Roman Empire; Empire Splits; Western Empire Falls, Eastern Empire reconquers Italy, Venice forms initially as a Byzantine province, Venice breaks away from Byzantine control (but not because it is conquered by anybody); Byzantine Empire falls to Turks.....is this too much of a stretch....Can it be said that the Roman Empire didn't completely fall until 1797? ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.196.210 ( talk) 18:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Official name was "Ducatus Venetus" (latin).-- Vu Duc Thang 17:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't see anywhere references to the environmental destruction wreaked by Venice on the forests of the area, and their subsequent inability to build their own ships (having to import hulls from other countries), which circumstance contributed to their decline.
I have a concern about the lead paragraph of the article. In what sense can we say that the "Republic of Venice ... was an Italian state", especially in the 12th through 14th centuries when the Republic was at its height? It seems rather presentist to say that the Republic (1100-1490) was Italian. It is probably more correct to say that it, along with other city states and peninsular territories became Italian. We would not call Attila the Hun German. What do others think? N2e ( talk) 13:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
HI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.245.59.225 ( talk) 04:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The article doesn't claim that Venice was of Italian nationality; it says it was Italian. Italian by culture, and by geography (Italy did exist as a geographical expression at the time, to rephrase Bismark —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.237.142.7 ( talk) 09:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn´t say that the Venetian Culture is typically "italian": what does Venice has of "italian"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.114.214.246 ( talk) 22:46, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Some islands which are nowadays in Greece were once Venitian weren't they? How come they do not feature in the main map. - Tigris the Majestic ( talk) 15:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I do not recall that Venice had built up an empire in Dalmatia by 1000 AD. In fact, it was still nominally subservient to Byzantines at this time. The dalmatian cities were factually independent, nominally under Byzantine rule. Hxseek ( talk) 14:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
The enormous importance Venice has in these fields surely deserves some mention? It was one of the leading musical centers of the world from at least early 1600 to the middle of the 1700 century. "Venetian opera" is a key concept within opera today with works such as L‘incoronazione di Poppea by Monteverdi (1642) along with several others still being played all over the world. 80.202.84.36 ( talk) 20:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I removed this:
The insurance company " Assicurazioni Generali" adopted on its foundation in 1831, and uses up to the present, a logo derived from the flag of the Republic of Venice.
This is advertising - not allowed. The article is not about the company, which has its own article. Give us a break, will you? Dave ( talk) 00:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The labels on File:Republik Venedig.png and File:Venezianische Kolonien.png are not in English. -- Beland ( talk) 17:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
While trying to stub-sort a new stub on Great Council of Venice (is this the same thing?), I notice that the text of this article, Government section, says "powers were shared with the [[Major Council of Venice|(Major) Council}} , composed of 480 members taken from certain families," but the diagram beside it describes the "Maggior Consiglio" as having "more than 2000 members". Someone might like to check and sort this out? PamD ( talk) 11:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
You say: 'At some point in the first decades of the eighth century, the people of the lagoon elected their first leader Ursus (or Orso Ipato), who was confirmed by Byzantium and given the titles of hypatus and dux. He was the first historical Doge of Venice.'
But in the Ursus article I found: 'Orso Ipato (Latin Ursus) was the third traditional Doge of Venice (726–742) and the first historically known.'
Other articles, like 'List of Doges of Venice' also say that there were other leaders before him.
So what is correct? And could you please name your sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.162.21.121 ( talk) 15:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
The so called "terra ferma" was an imperial fief possesed by Venice untill the death of Emp. Sigismond of Luxembourg in 1437 (opus cit.: Baum, Wilhelm.: Emperor Sigismond).
are a slavic tribe called veneti or wends. there is another venice in eastern republic of Macedonia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.125.224.4 ( talk) 11:04, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Saved from user's first edit, interesting, but needs citing and wikifying:
Actually, in maritime terms, Venice was able to defend itself quite adequately. Buonaparte's attempt to enter the lagoon, entrusted to the ill-named Libérateur d'Italie, was quite easily repulsed. (The failure of this incursion was one of his reasons for fury at the Venetian Republic.) Venetian land forces were relatively weak, but after the rising of Verona against French aggression, it was principally the fear of reprisals that prompted the Venetian state to decide against any form of armed resistance. Norwich is not a trustworthy source on this topic.
There are various works that might be usefully cited on the fall of Venice, but in English one might start with David Laven, Venice and Venetia under the Habsburgs (OUP, 2002).
The mayor of Yurp ( talk) 21:06, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
This is a photo of somebody's dog. OK? This is either misplaced or someone's idea of a joke.
Why is it that there is not option to "report" a photograph? (ie, as irrelevant.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.255.102.135 ( talk) 04:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Where is this statement coming from? Sounds reasonable but if it is included in brackets, the source should be mentioned. The article as a whole lacks citations and, it being blocked, doesn't allow for people to make changes.-- 88.117.59.144 ( talk) 18:44, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I just found that that there is a Republic of Venice article, and a History of the Republic of Venice article!
Talk about redundancy! One article has to go, Pronto! -- Lubiesque ( talk) 00:04, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Any proof that Juditha triumphans have had such status? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.252.126.70 ( talk) 08:38, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
The Venetian names don't agree in the text and in the side bar; compare:
"Serenìsima Repùblica de Venesia" with "Serenìsima Respùblica de Venexia"
Is anyone sure which of these two, if either is accurate? acrichmond ( talk) 13:58, 07 Oct 2013 (UTC)
this categories need to be removed:
- History of Lebanon
- History of Russia
- Modern history of Slovenia
- History of Syria
- History of Tunisia
- Medieval Ukraine
they have no place in the article — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
79.30.94.108 (
talk) 15:48, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Could somebody verify this? The map doesn't show the Republic of Venice reaching as far as Ukraine. I'd be very curious to find out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.61.188.192 ( talk) 21:18, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
This article overstates the importance of military actions in being the causes of venice becoming a significant european power. The article doesn't even mention the Collegantia, which (alongside Byzantine's help) was the driving force behind the economic prominence of the city. It was the economics that enabled the military, not the other way around. Also, the decline of venice started when the people made rich because of the Collegantia institution abandoned it in greedy attempts to hoard more money for themselves. Fresheneesz ( talk) 08:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
This article (+ Wikipedia generally) need more background on the legal codes and history of Venice. One of the Tiepolo doges has a note on his personal page mentioning he finished a codification of the statutes begun under Enrico Dandolo but there's no other information anywhere in the encyclopedia. Help? — LlywelynII 09:03, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
The Venetian lira page doesn't give a date for its introduction, but the dates it does provide suggest it far postdates the Republic's glory period. What were people using in the 13th–16th centuries? Florins? — LlywelynII 11:44, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
'Republic' did not have the democratic connotations as it does today. By the time of Venice, a republic WAS a mixed government model (E.g. Roman republic), so you can't say that the city claimed to be a republic when that exactly was what a republic was, and judge it by today's standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.8.194 ( talk) 12:48, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
"to capture Zara, a city that had rebelled years ago and was a concurrent to Venice" - the word "concurrent" means "occurring at the same time". It makes no sense in this context. Is this a mistranslation? 74.79.159.31 ( talk) 15:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Hey, I am just coming here as somebody has used wikipedia to edit a historical mod on a video game and found out that La Serenissima along Wikipedia was formally known (I'd say informally, sure, but if formally it was La Serenissima) as "The most Serene". This could be working in 1800 .- 1900 times of nationalism and distortion of heritage and cultural goods theft and creation of "race" which has brought problems up to today, all these came with the new socialist movements that created huge problems and wars in our communities, but this is a time in which we have UNESCO, UN, we have the Universal Cultural Goods charts, we know Cultural Goods are universal, we are in time of diversity respect and most of all we have developed a deep enough sensibility to know that a proper noun cannot be translated if at the stake there are unsure origins that still need to be researched. If we use for formally known "the most serene" we are using an informal and divulgative tone over historical facts that should be treated with respect: imagine a newspaper that in England or in English speaking communities at the time was calling "The most serene" republic of Venice has declared war on the Ottomans and on Piracy ... This would never happen, imagine this happening in France in the Prussian territories... they would all refer to Venice as Republic Of Venice or anyway Wenedig, La Serenissima or simply La Serenissima. This is not an adjective even if it is sounding and "comes from adjectives" this is a noble title originating title. Nothing strange, but yet it's not supposed to be translated. Sure one can say "this is the meaning" but calling it officially "the most serene" is a pure hole in the water. Sorry but I can't stand these imprecision, and also see a "revert" back because "what I am saying is too mysthical"! Hey... I gave multiple times explanations and I am referred as "evanescent and mystically transported? in my theories" ...
The thing is clear. La Serenissima is not an adjective and there is no way in any time you can refer to Venezia as "The most serene" because it simply doesn't mean the most serene, we don't yet know what it means and thus you are stating the false if you say, just because you need to translate it, that that's the meaning. The meaning can be written of course I am not discussing it, but that's not going to be ever a proper decision if it goes also to influence the MAIN NAME which people should know to understand that it's about more than an adjective. Falsifying the value of entries is something that Wikipedia cannot afford if it wants to be called an Encyclopedia, or we are going to discuss what an Encyclopedia is, now here. Albero1 17:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Just curious...why are there two completely different versions of the coat of arms? English Wikipedia Italian Wikipedia Seloloving ( talk) 10:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I find it dubious that the Republic of Venice had a national anthem. As the article on National anthems explains, they mostly became a thing in the 1830s (the Marseillaise is a bit earlier, but even the time between its adoption and the fall of the Republic of Venice was very brief). A few royal anthems from the Early Modern period predated them, but obviously, being a republic, Venice couldn't have one. 87.126.21.225 ( talk) 06:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
The language of the original names given in the lede is Venetian, but I believe that the actual republic just used standard Italian (and Latin) and it seems appropriate to give those first and Venetian afterwards. 87.126.21.225 ( talk) 06:59, 15 July 2023 (UTC)