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He ensured that an Indian person was heading the Indian army by opposing the then Prime Minister Nehru who wanted a british officer to head "Independent" India's Army. He turned down the offer to become the First chief of Army of Independent India in favour of his senior Gen Cariappa out of respect for seniority. He had been recommended by outgoing british chief for the job and also by the then Defense minister Baldev Singh because of his exemplary record in the army. The current chief of Army VK Singh in his book talks at length about his exceptional courage, professionalism, Patriotism and military strategic talent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.97.215.181 ( talk) 05:46, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
There are well over a hundred thousand Rathores (or Rathurs) in Kashmir, and thousands of Kashmiri Rathores (or Rathurs) who migrated to Punjab or UP in past couple of centuries. Does someone have more details about them? How did they get to Kashmir? Are they all one group? Is the origin of Kashmiri Rathores (or Rathurs) seperate from Siyaji (the grandson of Jaichand)? What role did Jahangir's invasion of Kashmir play in the migration of Rajhastani Rathores to Kashmir?
Here is what I found about Kashmiri Rathores so far. I have been researching on Rathers of kashmir a lot and have made some very different conclusions and what i previously knew, so i want to put information on my comment with the correct information:
Kashmiri Rather is most likely not related to the rathore in india and pakistan. Rather in kashmiri means a warrior and rather in kashmir according to many families were descends of raiutpala and not related to Rathores of india and Pakistan. He was in service to the one of the rulers mentioned in Rajatarangini during the Loharas. Where as the rajput goths mentions Rathore of some rai chand. Sheikh nasserduin rather is not supported by many and khuhami seems to have made a mistake in his history.
Kashmiri Rathers are Rajputs. They used to be hindu, but now many of them are muslim. Sir Walter Lawrence has written in his book, Valley of Kashmir, that Rathurs are also one of those Shaikhs who converted from hindu Khashatris to islam. Chhatri, Khatri, and Khashatri are actually names of the same tribe, and they come from the preminent and marshall hindu race of Rajputs.
A book about Rajput tribes was published a few years ago by the name of, Rajput Gotain (Rajput Clans). It is written on page 15 of this book that "Janjua and Rathore are from the same family. These tribes are from the descendants of Jadu-Bansi Rajputs, which moved towards the salt mountain range after the death of Krishan Ji." Then on page 19 of the same book it is written that "The Rathores once conquered Bikaner and made the Bhattis run towards the plains of Punjab." Then on page 24 of the same book it is written that among the Rathores, Raja Mal Rathore was a very well known ruler. In the year 980 A.D. he emigrated from Jodhpur or Kannauj and established the settlement of Malot near Jhelum. One of Mal Rathore's sons was Joda, from whose name the word Janjua is derived. At one time the Janjua tribe ruled almost all the area near the Salt Mountains. But then a time came when the Gakhars came from the north and the Awans came from the west to push them out.
(note:With respect, I have researched this point and found this reference to be incorrect. Raja Mal's other sons, also founded Janjua clans in their areas, hence Janjua cannot be derived from Raja Joda. Also Raja Mal, though mentioned in the book as a Rathor prince, this is a phronetic mistake, as in Punjab, RaTHOR and THOAR are very similar sounding (the latter being ofcourse Tuar Rajputs), hence the named connection appears to wrongly attribute him to the Rathor. This is further confirmed since the Janjuas claim descent also from chandravanshi prince Arjun Pandava is compared successfully to the Tuar clan who also claims chandravanshi Arjun descent.)
In the same book on page 31 it is written that "This tribe (Rathore) is one of 36 Royal lines. It is from the Suraj-Bansi Rajputs. It's ancient head quarters was Kanauj. From there they spread to Marwara, Bikaner, and other locations."
The writer of Taareekh Gulshane Kashmir {History of the Garden of Kashmir} has also said that Raothur is a distorted form of the name Rathore, and has written that these people are Chhatri Rajputs.
Taareekh Kabeer Kashmir, on page 293, mentions a Khwaja Haider Raitore. It is written that he "was the student of Mullah Habib Mir Adal (during the reign of Alamgir a.k.a. Aurangzeb, Mughal Emperor from 1658-1707 A.D.). Khwaja Haider Raitore benefited from the knowledge of many of the islamic scholars of India during his travels through India." Khwaja Haider is mentioned as Raitore instead of Rathur in this history, but it is in reality a distorted form of Rathore.
Taareekh Hassan, while mentioning the tribes of Shaikhs, or the land owning segment of society, writes that these Kashmiri Rajput tribes (Magray, Daangar, Naatak, Tanteray, Daar, Butt, Lone, and Rathur) have been soldiers, and made up the bulk of the armies, during the time of the ancient Kashmiri hindu rajas.
The census of 1911 A.D. shows that the population of Rathores in Jammu and Kashmir was 33,951 people. Of these Rathores, 2,545 lived in the province of Jammu, and only 126 lived in frontier districts. The rest of the 31,280 Rathores lived in the valley of Kashmir proper. After 20 years, in 1931 A.D. their population in the state was 39,725 persons. Of these Rathores, 17,960 were women, and 21,725 were men. Meaning that in 20 years, the population of Rathores increased by 5,774 people in the state.
The conditions that forced muslims and pandits of various tribes to migrate to Punjab, Delhi, or Lucknow during the reign of the Sikhs and Pathaans, were the same conditions that forced These people (Rathores) to emigrate from their country (Kashmir). This tribe, along with other refugee Kashmiri tribes, thought it best to go with the times and search for better opportunities elsewhere. (In exile), due to higher education, trade, and employment, Rathores occupy high positions and are well off. A few prominent families are mentioned in chapter 5.
In Kashmir, the greater part of the Raothur tribe is found in villages, and know no other trade except agriculture.
From originally khuhamis history and copied by later authors:
A Rathore family which migrated from Kashmir to Punjab and bought agricultural land near Gujranwala in 1930. After the payment was made, some government official refused to transfer the deed in the Rathore's name. The official's claim was that the Kashmiri migrants are not farmers, and this land is designated for purely agricultural purposes. The Rathore family sued the government official in court and made the argument that Rathores are Kashmiri Rajputs who know only farming, therefore there is no chance of the family being anything else other than farmers. The tax collector and other officials claimed that the plaintiff is pretending to be a Rathore just to gain possession of the land, and in fact he is just a Kashmiri migrant, as listed in official tax papers. When the plaintiff brought 11 witnesses and much older documents proving his ethnicity, the case was decided in his favor. The judge wrote in his decision that since the plaintiff has proved he is a Kashmiri Rathore, there can be no question in his claim to being a farmer, and the land must be transfered in his name.
Note: This is about our family. My great grandfather and his family bought land near Gujranwala ( village name uppall and taphai)and had to go to Court for getting it alloted in their name. As before that Kashmiris settlers were considered non kashtkars. Our elders were known as Chaudries. My grand father's name ' Ch Muhammed Kharaitullah' mentioned in Fauq's book. But with all lands sold we dont use chaudry any more although other in our family still use that prefix.
Nazar Rauf Rathore — Preceding
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Most Kashmiri Rathores who migrated to Punjab and adopted agriculture as their profession are now called Chaudhry. The term Chaudhry is used in central and northern Punjab to refer to a large land owner or village chief. These migrants no longer use the Rathore name, and have completely melted into their adopted culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.165.91.224 ( talk) 15:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I have read this in our family tree book that our great grand fathers migrated from Baramula afetr Kashmir was sold for one hundred and seventy five thousand rupees in 1856 under Amritsar Treaty and settled in a Mora Burj,a village near Rawalpindi.Most of them started agriculture but their progeny got well educated and opted for other fields.Still few families of Rathores are living there in Mora Burj and there mean of living is agriculture. —Preceding
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That is one ugly table, and it doesn't seem to work. Have you considered making a graphic instead? pablo hablo. 11:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC) "SHSHDARA ,BABERPUR GAV [DELHI]
KASHI RAM RATHOUR (JODHA RATHOUR)
[(Present ROYAL in new delhi,SHAHDARA,VILLAGE BABBERPUR) LAL SINGH RATHOUR JIA CHAND RATHOUR JIA SINGH RATHOUR GOURAV RATHOUR PRATAP RSINGH RATHOUR SANDEEP RATHOUR
PRADEEP RATHOUR RUDRANSH RATHOUR AKSHAT RATHOUR JOGANDER SINGH RATHOUR HARSHIT RATHOUR PAHALWAN AMAN RATHOUR ANKIT RATHOUR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.74.97.57 ( talk) 23:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
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(As of 1947) EXTRACTS - As Published in “History of Hindus in Sind"
Author: Diwan Bherumal Mahirchand Advani
Published: 1946-1947
Translated and updated wherever possible by:
Narain Sobhraj Kimatrai
LOHANA: - Arorvanshi. Nukh: - Asarpota, Panditpota, Jobanota, Popat, Chhug, Thakral, Chhabria, Sejpal, Somaiya, Karya, Katar (Khatar), Mamotia, and Dhodheja etc
Mr. Anthovan states that according to the folklore, Lohana are Rathod Rajputs (Khatri). Raja Jaichand of Kanoj (Kanya Kabaj) tormented them and they could do nothing. They prayed to their Deity who told them that the following morning they should walk a mile or two in a certain direction till they reached an Iron Fort.
The Deity instructed the Rathods to take refuge in the Fort for sixteen days and leave thereafter. The Rathods would then be able to defeat their enemy. The Iron Fort would vanish on the twenty-first day and they were told to then construct a new Fort at that site. Having taken refuge in the Iron Fort, the Rathods changed their name to Lohana (Loha = Iron and Na = Of) and named all their Forts starting with Lo or La viz. Loh Gadah and Lahore. The Lohanas thereafter migrated to Multan and Sind. In the 13th century, some of them went to Kutch.
In the year 1194, Mohd. Ghori invaded and defeated Kanoj’s Raja Jaichand and murdered thousands of Hindus. The Lohanas and other Hindus out of fright and fear started serving the Muslim Masters. The author, Diwan Bherumal M. Advani, in his volume has opined that this was the start of Muslim domination in Sind.
The Lohana, though Khatri (warriors), thus transformed to Vaishas (traders). ACCORDING TO DEVOTEE OF GODESS HINGLAJMATA:jaichand rathod called ghori,he send treasure to ghori but 84 sardar of jaichand stole treasure to prevent ghori,they went to hinglajgadh,ma hinglaj send them to lohargadh after death of jaichand they came to marvar all are called marvadi loharana,lohana.lohana were also in prithirajs army.[ [1]] census of india 1961[ [2]] [ [3]]rathore caste is founded by lohana. Bhavinkundaliya ( talk) 18:54, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
(As of 1947) EXTRACTS - As Published in “History of Hindus in Sind"
Author: Diwan Bherumal Mahirchand Advani
Published: 1946-1947
Translated and updated wherever possible by:
Narain Sobhraj Kimatrai
LOHANA: - Arorvanshi. Nukh: - Asarpota, Panditpota, Jobanota, Popat, Chhug, Thakral, Chhabria, Sejpal, Somaiya, Karya, Katar (Khatar), Mamotia, and Dhodheja etc
Mr. Anthovan states that according to the folklore, Lohana are Rathod Rajputs (Khatri). Raja Jaichand of Kanoj (Kanya Kabaj) tormented them and they could do nothing. They prayed to their Deity who told them that the following morning they should walk a mile or two in a certain direction till they reached an Iron Fort.
The Deity instructed the Rathods to take refuge in the Fort for sixteen days and leave thereafter. The Rathods would then be able to defeat their enemy. The Iron Fort would vanish on the twenty-first day and they were told to then construct a new Fort at that site. Having taken refuge in the Iron Fort, the Rathods changed their name to Lohana (Loha = Iron and Na = Of) and named all their Forts starting with Lo or La viz. Loh Gadah and Lahore. The Lohanas thereafter migrated to Multan and Sind. In the 13th century, some of them went to Kutch.
In the year 1194, Mohd. Ghori invaded and defeated Kanoj’s Raja Jaichand and murdered thousands of Hindus. The Lohanas and other Hindus out of fright and fear started serving the Muslim Masters. The author, Diwan Bherumal M. Advani, in his volume has opined that this was the start of Muslim domination in Sind.
The Lohana, though Khatri (warriors), thus transformed to Vaishas (traders). ACCORDING TO DEVOTEE OF GODESS HINGLAJMATA:jaichand rathod called ghori,he send treasure to ghori but 84 sardar of jaichand stole treasure to prevent ghori,they went to hinglajgadh,ma hinglaj send them to lohargadh after death of jaichand they came to marvar all are called marvadi loharana,lohana.lohana were also in prithirajs army. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.117.53 ( talk) 12:13, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
....done. Bddmagic ( talk) 03:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Cant we put the old info that was first posted??because this article is completely empty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.97.205 ( talk) 16:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
When many Indian languages are transcribed into roman letters, the letter H is used to strengthen a consonant (e.g. Buddha vs Budda; Thali vs Tali; Abhishek vs Abishek; etc). That leads to an ambiguity here: is this pronounced,
Thanks, 128.112.139.195 ( talk) 17:15, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
It is pronounced "Ra-Thor".-- Dayumdropper ( talk) 20:39, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Come on, surely someone knows a lot more about this topic than is present on the article? I'm interested in the etymology of the name 'Rathore' and the demographics of people known to have this name. In particular I'm trying to find out about Muslims with the name 'Rathore' but have been able to locate very little online. Any pointers? -- Dayumdropper ( talk) 20:52, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
RAthore are of Sindhi origin-- Jogi don ( talk) 11:16, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Dhadhal(hindi:धाधल) is a branche of rathore.it was founded by dhadhal ji rathore(son of kalu ji rathore of jodhpur state).this clan is found in Kathiyawar rigion.- Jayveerwala ( talk) 08:01, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
I have discussed about a certain citation that is being used. [1] However there is no proper mention of Koli's being called Rathores. The rest can be seen as explained by utcursch.
Hi, I have tried reverting several attempts of this user on the " Rathore" article. He is using a religious book as a reference and the book itself talks more about the intermarrying of Koli's and Rajputs rather than calling them Koli's. Can you check once. Thanks.
Gutriel ( talk) 09:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
References
Gutriel ( talk) 05:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
The ancestry claims should be retained on the page, as it is a central part of Rajput identity. Rajput means descendants of a king, so the page should mention who the Rathores claim to descend from. However, it should also include the historical validity of such claims to prevent caste promotion. Chariotrider555 ( talk) 06:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
;Nonsense where does your sources specifically mention rathores? If not then dont copy paste this text in everysingle clan page all Rajputs are now same
Sungpeshwe9 (
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:::Exactly
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Chariotrider555 (
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The book that you're citing (Jadunath Sarkar, revised by Raghubir Sinh) does not support your additions. You're suggesting that Sarkar finds support for the Rathore genealogical claims in the Puranas. But Sarkar actually suggests that these fabricated claims are based on the Puranas. The book is about the Kachhwa kings of Jaipur (who claim descent from Rama and his ancestors), and mentions the Rathores in a footnote: "These early genealogies up to Rama and a few of his descendants including Atithi are based on the lists and details given in the Puranas, and except for minor differences of names, they are the same relating to the Kachhawas, the Rathors and the Guhilots of Mewad and Dungarpur." utcursch | talk 17:24, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
tree which fearlessly goes back even further than Rama, to the very creator Brahma, the first member of the Hindu Trinity.[note 1]In the sixty-third generation from the creator was born the god-man Rama, the husband of the tragic heroine Sita and the conquerer of the demon-king of Ceylon. page 28: note 1:These early genealogies up to Rama and a few of his descendents including Atithi are based on the lists and details given in the Puranas, and except for minor differences of names, they are the same relating to the Kachhawas, the Rathors and Guhilots of Mewad and Dungarpur.
1)The source says that the minstrels supplied lists to trace the house of Jaipur to not only Rama but to Brahma. 2)They based it on the lists given in the Puranas. 3)The Kacchhawas, Rathors and Guhilots of Mewad and Dungarpur have similar lists. 4)Nowwhere does the historian say that the Puranas mention the Rathores or historians support the minstrels. You are using WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. Thanks LukeEmily ( talk) 15:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
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[copy of article text removed] Drhansbaweja ( talk) 18:32, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
user:Heba Aisha user: Kautilya3 please see my i've removed the information as per wikipedia guidelines Heba reverted it by giving dubious edit summary "vandalism" can you please explain how is that vandalism? Removing content which against guidelines is vandalism? Sources no where mentions rathores as low caste or even rathoes themselves trying to connect rathores with these sources to conclude something not said in source itself is WP:SYNTH and purely WP:UNDUE WP:OR my removal was based on Wikipedia guidelines please conform according to them. @ user:Heba Aisha please state the reason if they are as per guidelines then that content will be kept if not then i will remove them thanks. Sikandar khan67 ( talk) 11:29, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
If we look at the citations the first citation [4] is about , irrelevant groups like Dravidian Munda tribals,and gurjars hunas, trying to legitimatise their rule by fabricating their genealogies to rajputs so they can rajputize themselves. Its not even related to Rathores the article so irrelevant.and other sources states how "Rajputs" are illiterate no where rathores are mentioned. This is clear violation of WP:SYNTH. Since you both Heba Raven have reverted me so you obviously dispute my edit so can you state why do you think this WP:SYNTHESIS of mostly irrelevant citations who do not address the article in question is worth keeping? Sikandar khan67 ( talk) 04:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Agree with
Ratnahastin here. The first reference doesn't state anything about Rathores or even Rajputs in general. i
Its actually about the
Mundas trying to Rajputise themselves which becomes obvious from the title of the journal itself ie "Emergence of Kingship, Rajputization and a New Economic Arrangement in Mundaland"
. And
2nd reference is essentially a large wall of text describing how Rajputs are illiterate so they can't be Kshatriyas. A fallacious analogy; what does kshatriyahood has to do with "literacy"? Here literacy is in modern sense which completely differs from literacy in ancient times so the andre winks source is not only irrelevant to Rathores or their origins but also logically fallacious.
3rd reference states "Rajputs are illiterate".
4rd reference is also about illiteracy. So much non-sense and
undue weightage to the literacy aspect of the entire group and a very poor attempt at
WP: SYNTHESIS. Please remove.
Shinjoya (
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LukeEmily The only citation which states about Rajputization is of shivaji koyal which you have been interpreting and mis representing. Read up here [7] He states that how munda dravidian tribals sought to legitimise themselves when they acquired power through Fabricating genealogy to Rajput or kshatriya rulers to Rajputise themselves :
1.6 The origin of kingship and the process of state formation in
Mundaland promoted Rajputization and Rajputization in turn helped in state formation
1.7 So far as the steps involved in the process of rajputization are
concerned the following may be identified.
2. The enticed Brahmins then somehow *discovered' that the said
tribal chief was a Rajput and declared him to be so. His lineage was
traced back to some important kshatriya dynasty of the past.
1. The budding tribal Raja invited Brahmins to his place to help
establish a court and gave them land and gifts.
2. The enticed Brahmins then somehow *discovered' that the said
tribal chief was a Rajput and declared him to be so. His lineage was
traced back to some important kshatriya dynasty of the past.
3. The tribal Raja once legitimized as a Rajput or a kshatriya
separated himself from his fellow tribesmen because supposedly he was
not of their blood.
5. With the growth of his economic and political power the Raja
entered into marriage aliances with Rajput families. He sought such
type of marriage alliances for his sons & daughters. He was interested
in infusing Rajput blood into his family.
1.10 The emergence of kingship amongst the Mundas ard its Rajputi-
zation exposed the said society to certain strains which adversely affected
it.
Its about Rajputization of Munda tribals, anyone can make that out. Anyway Shivaji koyals Journal is about mundaland not on rajputs and none of these citations even mention rathores so fails WP:REL. Ratnahastin talk 03:20, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
LukeEmily, I have observed that it was you who created the article Rajputisation. Now, you are trying to promote your article by adding it to the articles of all Rajput clans without caring for the content of cited references. Rajputisation is a very detailed article. Still, there isn't a single mention of Rathore in that article. Also, in the citations which are being used to support the disputed line in this article, Rathore isn't mentioned. This implies that the usage of the term in this article doesn't make any sense and the disputed line should be removed. Shinjoya ( talk) 13:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
LukeEmily since you've stated that Mention of Rajputization would probably not be necessary on this page if the page did not mention some fabricated decent
you've agreed that this text is not suitable so i think i can remove them now as per
WP:CONSENSUS.
RatnaHastin
talk 06:01, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
References
Rajputization discussed processes through which 'equalitarian, primitive, clan based tribal organization' adjusted itself to the centralized hierarchic, territorial oriented political developments in the course of state formation. This led a 'narrow lineage of single families' to disassociate itself from the main body of their tribe and claim Rajput origin. They not only adopted symbols and practices supposedly representative of the true Kshatriya, but also constructed genealogies that linked them to the primordial and legendary solar and lunar dynasties of kings. Further, it was pointed out that the caste of genealogists and mythographers variously known as Carans, Bhats, Vahivanca Barots, etc., prevalent in Gujarat, Rajasthan and other parts of north India actively provided their patron rulers with genealogies that linked local clans of these chiefs with regional clans and with the Kshatriyas of the Puranas and Mahabharata. Once a ruling group succeeded in establishing its claim to Rajput status, there followed a 'secondary Rajputization' when the tribes tried to 're-associate' with their formal tribal chiefs who had also transformed themselves into Hindu rajas and Rajput Kshatriyas.
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In Rathore states please include Seraikela state as it was founded by Raja Bikram Singh from Jodhpur in 1620 who came Puri, Odisha to make a pilgrimage to Jagannath temple. The information regarding Seraikela being a Rathore dynasty is available in rajput.com. 2409:4064:2E93:2D28:0:0:4CA:3509 ( talk) 03:01, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Rathore is an important branch of the Rajput caste. They are popular for their rule in Marwar region of Rajasthan. Wikieditor1008 ( talk) 15:56, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
There has been edit war between Ratnahastin, Shinjoya and White Horserider over this page. They all have been banned or blocked. So, I have reverted it to last best version. Heba Aisha ( talk) 00:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Did they really descend from the Gahadavalas? Very likely, no. But, we cannot be certain.. Well, "Niyogi, Roma (1959). The History of the Gāhaḍavāla Dynasty" , a source and its contents that you blanked out said these claims were doubtful and were bardic chronicles. See this version. The descent from Rama claim is mentioned by Sarkar. Pinging some other editors who have been involved in the previous talk sections Chariotrider555, Ravensfire, user: Kautilya3, utcursch, Sitush, Heba Aisha: I am not sure what is going on with TrangaBellam's edits. Please take a look if you have time. LukeEmily ( talk) 02:58, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
The factoids sourced to Niyogi were :
The Rathores also claim to be descendants of the 11th century Gahadavala dynasty of Varanasi.Please see the first, second and third paragraph of the Claims section, which incorporates far more details using far recent sources.
The Rathores of Jodhpur State claimed to be descendants of Jayachandra.Ditto
These claims are sourced through bardic chronicles.Ditto
These claims are of later origin, and their historical veracity is doubtful.Ditto
According to Prithviraj Raso, Rathore was an epithet of Jayachandra (Jaichand)Absent, to expand upon later. So your net objection is that I removed this single line? TrangaBellam ( talk) 10:44, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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Rathores are a Suryavanshi Rajput clan. The clan traces its lineage back to Rama, the mythical hero of the Hindu epic Ramayana and through him back to the sun god Surya himself. Which is why the Rathores also call themselves Suryavanshi or family of the sun. The Rathores hail from the Marwar region of western Rajasthan and inhabit in the Idar state of Gujarat and also in Chhapra & Muzaffarpur district of Bihar in a very small number. 2409:4052:4E97:F858:BBB0:9DD1:1125:9A06 ( talk) 16:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
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EDIT REQUEST : In this article, in the column of Sub clans, MANDLOT must be added as they are also one of the subclans of Rathore.
History about MANDLOT RATHORES : It can be prooved using this researched book named https://archive.org/details/hindutribescaste03sher/page/n43/mode/2up?q=Mandlot in the year 1918 in Library of Princeton.The mandlot clan of rathores later on came to Gujarat's Unjha and established UMAPURAM.
The name of the page should be changed to Rathore dynasty. The change is necessary to avoid confusion as this page is about the dynasty and not the modern surname. Ranadhira ( talk) 15:07, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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He ensured that an Indian person was heading the Indian army by opposing the then Prime Minister Nehru who wanted a british officer to head "Independent" India's Army. He turned down the offer to become the First chief of Army of Independent India in favour of his senior Gen Cariappa out of respect for seniority. He had been recommended by outgoing british chief for the job and also by the then Defense minister Baldev Singh because of his exemplary record in the army. The current chief of Army VK Singh in his book talks at length about his exceptional courage, professionalism, Patriotism and military strategic talent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.97.215.181 ( talk) 05:46, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
There are well over a hundred thousand Rathores (or Rathurs) in Kashmir, and thousands of Kashmiri Rathores (or Rathurs) who migrated to Punjab or UP in past couple of centuries. Does someone have more details about them? How did they get to Kashmir? Are they all one group? Is the origin of Kashmiri Rathores (or Rathurs) seperate from Siyaji (the grandson of Jaichand)? What role did Jahangir's invasion of Kashmir play in the migration of Rajhastani Rathores to Kashmir?
Here is what I found about Kashmiri Rathores so far. I have been researching on Rathers of kashmir a lot and have made some very different conclusions and what i previously knew, so i want to put information on my comment with the correct information:
Kashmiri Rather is most likely not related to the rathore in india and pakistan. Rather in kashmiri means a warrior and rather in kashmir according to many families were descends of raiutpala and not related to Rathores of india and Pakistan. He was in service to the one of the rulers mentioned in Rajatarangini during the Loharas. Where as the rajput goths mentions Rathore of some rai chand. Sheikh nasserduin rather is not supported by many and khuhami seems to have made a mistake in his history.
Kashmiri Rathers are Rajputs. They used to be hindu, but now many of them are muslim. Sir Walter Lawrence has written in his book, Valley of Kashmir, that Rathurs are also one of those Shaikhs who converted from hindu Khashatris to islam. Chhatri, Khatri, and Khashatri are actually names of the same tribe, and they come from the preminent and marshall hindu race of Rajputs.
A book about Rajput tribes was published a few years ago by the name of, Rajput Gotain (Rajput Clans). It is written on page 15 of this book that "Janjua and Rathore are from the same family. These tribes are from the descendants of Jadu-Bansi Rajputs, which moved towards the salt mountain range after the death of Krishan Ji." Then on page 19 of the same book it is written that "The Rathores once conquered Bikaner and made the Bhattis run towards the plains of Punjab." Then on page 24 of the same book it is written that among the Rathores, Raja Mal Rathore was a very well known ruler. In the year 980 A.D. he emigrated from Jodhpur or Kannauj and established the settlement of Malot near Jhelum. One of Mal Rathore's sons was Joda, from whose name the word Janjua is derived. At one time the Janjua tribe ruled almost all the area near the Salt Mountains. But then a time came when the Gakhars came from the north and the Awans came from the west to push them out.
(note:With respect, I have researched this point and found this reference to be incorrect. Raja Mal's other sons, also founded Janjua clans in their areas, hence Janjua cannot be derived from Raja Joda. Also Raja Mal, though mentioned in the book as a Rathor prince, this is a phronetic mistake, as in Punjab, RaTHOR and THOAR are very similar sounding (the latter being ofcourse Tuar Rajputs), hence the named connection appears to wrongly attribute him to the Rathor. This is further confirmed since the Janjuas claim descent also from chandravanshi prince Arjun Pandava is compared successfully to the Tuar clan who also claims chandravanshi Arjun descent.)
In the same book on page 31 it is written that "This tribe (Rathore) is one of 36 Royal lines. It is from the Suraj-Bansi Rajputs. It's ancient head quarters was Kanauj. From there they spread to Marwara, Bikaner, and other locations."
The writer of Taareekh Gulshane Kashmir {History of the Garden of Kashmir} has also said that Raothur is a distorted form of the name Rathore, and has written that these people are Chhatri Rajputs.
Taareekh Kabeer Kashmir, on page 293, mentions a Khwaja Haider Raitore. It is written that he "was the student of Mullah Habib Mir Adal (during the reign of Alamgir a.k.a. Aurangzeb, Mughal Emperor from 1658-1707 A.D.). Khwaja Haider Raitore benefited from the knowledge of many of the islamic scholars of India during his travels through India." Khwaja Haider is mentioned as Raitore instead of Rathur in this history, but it is in reality a distorted form of Rathore.
Taareekh Hassan, while mentioning the tribes of Shaikhs, or the land owning segment of society, writes that these Kashmiri Rajput tribes (Magray, Daangar, Naatak, Tanteray, Daar, Butt, Lone, and Rathur) have been soldiers, and made up the bulk of the armies, during the time of the ancient Kashmiri hindu rajas.
The census of 1911 A.D. shows that the population of Rathores in Jammu and Kashmir was 33,951 people. Of these Rathores, 2,545 lived in the province of Jammu, and only 126 lived in frontier districts. The rest of the 31,280 Rathores lived in the valley of Kashmir proper. After 20 years, in 1931 A.D. their population in the state was 39,725 persons. Of these Rathores, 17,960 were women, and 21,725 were men. Meaning that in 20 years, the population of Rathores increased by 5,774 people in the state.
The conditions that forced muslims and pandits of various tribes to migrate to Punjab, Delhi, or Lucknow during the reign of the Sikhs and Pathaans, were the same conditions that forced These people (Rathores) to emigrate from their country (Kashmir). This tribe, along with other refugee Kashmiri tribes, thought it best to go with the times and search for better opportunities elsewhere. (In exile), due to higher education, trade, and employment, Rathores occupy high positions and are well off. A few prominent families are mentioned in chapter 5.
In Kashmir, the greater part of the Raothur tribe is found in villages, and know no other trade except agriculture.
From originally khuhamis history and copied by later authors:
A Rathore family which migrated from Kashmir to Punjab and bought agricultural land near Gujranwala in 1930. After the payment was made, some government official refused to transfer the deed in the Rathore's name. The official's claim was that the Kashmiri migrants are not farmers, and this land is designated for purely agricultural purposes. The Rathore family sued the government official in court and made the argument that Rathores are Kashmiri Rajputs who know only farming, therefore there is no chance of the family being anything else other than farmers. The tax collector and other officials claimed that the plaintiff is pretending to be a Rathore just to gain possession of the land, and in fact he is just a Kashmiri migrant, as listed in official tax papers. When the plaintiff brought 11 witnesses and much older documents proving his ethnicity, the case was decided in his favor. The judge wrote in his decision that since the plaintiff has proved he is a Kashmiri Rathore, there can be no question in his claim to being a farmer, and the land must be transfered in his name.
Note: This is about our family. My great grandfather and his family bought land near Gujranwala ( village name uppall and taphai)and had to go to Court for getting it alloted in their name. As before that Kashmiris settlers were considered non kashtkars. Our elders were known as Chaudries. My grand father's name ' Ch Muhammed Kharaitullah' mentioned in Fauq's book. But with all lands sold we dont use chaudry any more although other in our family still use that prefix.
Nazar Rauf Rathore — Preceding
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Most Kashmiri Rathores who migrated to Punjab and adopted agriculture as their profession are now called Chaudhry. The term Chaudhry is used in central and northern Punjab to refer to a large land owner or village chief. These migrants no longer use the Rathore name, and have completely melted into their adopted culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.165.91.224 ( talk) 15:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I have read this in our family tree book that our great grand fathers migrated from Baramula afetr Kashmir was sold for one hundred and seventy five thousand rupees in 1856 under Amritsar Treaty and settled in a Mora Burj,a village near Rawalpindi.Most of them started agriculture but their progeny got well educated and opted for other fields.Still few families of Rathores are living there in Mora Burj and there mean of living is agriculture. —Preceding
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That is one ugly table, and it doesn't seem to work. Have you considered making a graphic instead? pablo hablo. 11:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC) "SHSHDARA ,BABERPUR GAV [DELHI]
KASHI RAM RATHOUR (JODHA RATHOUR)
[(Present ROYAL in new delhi,SHAHDARA,VILLAGE BABBERPUR) LAL SINGH RATHOUR JIA CHAND RATHOUR JIA SINGH RATHOUR GOURAV RATHOUR PRATAP RSINGH RATHOUR SANDEEP RATHOUR
PRADEEP RATHOUR RUDRANSH RATHOUR AKSHAT RATHOUR JOGANDER SINGH RATHOUR HARSHIT RATHOUR PAHALWAN AMAN RATHOUR ANKIT RATHOUR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.74.97.57 ( talk) 23:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Lists of names in this article should be sourced in accordance with WP:BLP. As there is no way of constantly maintaining linked articles, this applies to names which have a Wikipedia article as well as those that do not. Any name listed with no verifiable citations should be removed. Refer to WP:NLIST for guidance. Fæ ( talk) 07:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
(As of 1947) EXTRACTS - As Published in “History of Hindus in Sind"
Author: Diwan Bherumal Mahirchand Advani
Published: 1946-1947
Translated and updated wherever possible by:
Narain Sobhraj Kimatrai
LOHANA: - Arorvanshi. Nukh: - Asarpota, Panditpota, Jobanota, Popat, Chhug, Thakral, Chhabria, Sejpal, Somaiya, Karya, Katar (Khatar), Mamotia, and Dhodheja etc
Mr. Anthovan states that according to the folklore, Lohana are Rathod Rajputs (Khatri). Raja Jaichand of Kanoj (Kanya Kabaj) tormented them and they could do nothing. They prayed to their Deity who told them that the following morning they should walk a mile or two in a certain direction till they reached an Iron Fort.
The Deity instructed the Rathods to take refuge in the Fort for sixteen days and leave thereafter. The Rathods would then be able to defeat their enemy. The Iron Fort would vanish on the twenty-first day and they were told to then construct a new Fort at that site. Having taken refuge in the Iron Fort, the Rathods changed their name to Lohana (Loha = Iron and Na = Of) and named all their Forts starting with Lo or La viz. Loh Gadah and Lahore. The Lohanas thereafter migrated to Multan and Sind. In the 13th century, some of them went to Kutch.
In the year 1194, Mohd. Ghori invaded and defeated Kanoj’s Raja Jaichand and murdered thousands of Hindus. The Lohanas and other Hindus out of fright and fear started serving the Muslim Masters. The author, Diwan Bherumal M. Advani, in his volume has opined that this was the start of Muslim domination in Sind.
The Lohana, though Khatri (warriors), thus transformed to Vaishas (traders). ACCORDING TO DEVOTEE OF GODESS HINGLAJMATA:jaichand rathod called ghori,he send treasure to ghori but 84 sardar of jaichand stole treasure to prevent ghori,they went to hinglajgadh,ma hinglaj send them to lohargadh after death of jaichand they came to marvar all are called marvadi loharana,lohana.lohana were also in prithirajs army.[ [1]] census of india 1961[ [2]] [ [3]]rathore caste is founded by lohana. Bhavinkundaliya ( talk) 18:54, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
(As of 1947) EXTRACTS - As Published in “History of Hindus in Sind"
Author: Diwan Bherumal Mahirchand Advani
Published: 1946-1947
Translated and updated wherever possible by:
Narain Sobhraj Kimatrai
LOHANA: - Arorvanshi. Nukh: - Asarpota, Panditpota, Jobanota, Popat, Chhug, Thakral, Chhabria, Sejpal, Somaiya, Karya, Katar (Khatar), Mamotia, and Dhodheja etc
Mr. Anthovan states that according to the folklore, Lohana are Rathod Rajputs (Khatri). Raja Jaichand of Kanoj (Kanya Kabaj) tormented them and they could do nothing. They prayed to their Deity who told them that the following morning they should walk a mile or two in a certain direction till they reached an Iron Fort.
The Deity instructed the Rathods to take refuge in the Fort for sixteen days and leave thereafter. The Rathods would then be able to defeat their enemy. The Iron Fort would vanish on the twenty-first day and they were told to then construct a new Fort at that site. Having taken refuge in the Iron Fort, the Rathods changed their name to Lohana (Loha = Iron and Na = Of) and named all their Forts starting with Lo or La viz. Loh Gadah and Lahore. The Lohanas thereafter migrated to Multan and Sind. In the 13th century, some of them went to Kutch.
In the year 1194, Mohd. Ghori invaded and defeated Kanoj’s Raja Jaichand and murdered thousands of Hindus. The Lohanas and other Hindus out of fright and fear started serving the Muslim Masters. The author, Diwan Bherumal M. Advani, in his volume has opined that this was the start of Muslim domination in Sind.
The Lohana, though Khatri (warriors), thus transformed to Vaishas (traders). ACCORDING TO DEVOTEE OF GODESS HINGLAJMATA:jaichand rathod called ghori,he send treasure to ghori but 84 sardar of jaichand stole treasure to prevent ghori,they went to hinglajgadh,ma hinglaj send them to lohargadh after death of jaichand they came to marvar all are called marvadi loharana,lohana.lohana were also in prithirajs army. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.117.53 ( talk) 12:13, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
....done. Bddmagic ( talk) 03:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Cant we put the old info that was first posted??because this article is completely empty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.97.205 ( talk) 16:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
When many Indian languages are transcribed into roman letters, the letter H is used to strengthen a consonant (e.g. Buddha vs Budda; Thali vs Tali; Abhishek vs Abishek; etc). That leads to an ambiguity here: is this pronounced,
Thanks, 128.112.139.195 ( talk) 17:15, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
It is pronounced "Ra-Thor".-- Dayumdropper ( talk) 20:39, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Come on, surely someone knows a lot more about this topic than is present on the article? I'm interested in the etymology of the name 'Rathore' and the demographics of people known to have this name. In particular I'm trying to find out about Muslims with the name 'Rathore' but have been able to locate very little online. Any pointers? -- Dayumdropper ( talk) 20:52, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
RAthore are of Sindhi origin-- Jogi don ( talk) 11:16, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Dhadhal(hindi:धाधल) is a branche of rathore.it was founded by dhadhal ji rathore(son of kalu ji rathore of jodhpur state).this clan is found in Kathiyawar rigion.- Jayveerwala ( talk) 08:01, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
I have discussed about a certain citation that is being used. [1] However there is no proper mention of Koli's being called Rathores. The rest can be seen as explained by utcursch.
Hi, I have tried reverting several attempts of this user on the " Rathore" article. He is using a religious book as a reference and the book itself talks more about the intermarrying of Koli's and Rajputs rather than calling them Koli's. Can you check once. Thanks.
Gutriel ( talk) 09:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
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Gutriel ( talk) 05:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
The ancestry claims should be retained on the page, as it is a central part of Rajput identity. Rajput means descendants of a king, so the page should mention who the Rathores claim to descend from. However, it should also include the historical validity of such claims to prevent caste promotion. Chariotrider555 ( talk) 06:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
;Nonsense where does your sources specifically mention rathores? If not then dont copy paste this text in everysingle clan page all Rajputs are now same
Sungpeshwe9 (
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:::Exactly
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Chariotrider555 (
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The book that you're citing (Jadunath Sarkar, revised by Raghubir Sinh) does not support your additions. You're suggesting that Sarkar finds support for the Rathore genealogical claims in the Puranas. But Sarkar actually suggests that these fabricated claims are based on the Puranas. The book is about the Kachhwa kings of Jaipur (who claim descent from Rama and his ancestors), and mentions the Rathores in a footnote: "These early genealogies up to Rama and a few of his descendants including Atithi are based on the lists and details given in the Puranas, and except for minor differences of names, they are the same relating to the Kachhawas, the Rathors and the Guhilots of Mewad and Dungarpur." utcursch | talk 17:24, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
tree which fearlessly goes back even further than Rama, to the very creator Brahma, the first member of the Hindu Trinity.[note 1]In the sixty-third generation from the creator was born the god-man Rama, the husband of the tragic heroine Sita and the conquerer of the demon-king of Ceylon. page 28: note 1:These early genealogies up to Rama and a few of his descendents including Atithi are based on the lists and details given in the Puranas, and except for minor differences of names, they are the same relating to the Kachhawas, the Rathors and Guhilots of Mewad and Dungarpur.
1)The source says that the minstrels supplied lists to trace the house of Jaipur to not only Rama but to Brahma. 2)They based it on the lists given in the Puranas. 3)The Kacchhawas, Rathors and Guhilots of Mewad and Dungarpur have similar lists. 4)Nowwhere does the historian say that the Puranas mention the Rathores or historians support the minstrels. You are using WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. Thanks LukeEmily ( talk) 15:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
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[copy of article text removed] Drhansbaweja ( talk) 18:32, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
user:Heba Aisha user: Kautilya3 please see my i've removed the information as per wikipedia guidelines Heba reverted it by giving dubious edit summary "vandalism" can you please explain how is that vandalism? Removing content which against guidelines is vandalism? Sources no where mentions rathores as low caste or even rathoes themselves trying to connect rathores with these sources to conclude something not said in source itself is WP:SYNTH and purely WP:UNDUE WP:OR my removal was based on Wikipedia guidelines please conform according to them. @ user:Heba Aisha please state the reason if they are as per guidelines then that content will be kept if not then i will remove them thanks. Sikandar khan67 ( talk) 11:29, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
If we look at the citations the first citation [4] is about , irrelevant groups like Dravidian Munda tribals,and gurjars hunas, trying to legitimatise their rule by fabricating their genealogies to rajputs so they can rajputize themselves. Its not even related to Rathores the article so irrelevant.and other sources states how "Rajputs" are illiterate no where rathores are mentioned. This is clear violation of WP:SYNTH. Since you both Heba Raven have reverted me so you obviously dispute my edit so can you state why do you think this WP:SYNTHESIS of mostly irrelevant citations who do not address the article in question is worth keeping? Sikandar khan67 ( talk) 04:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Agree with
Ratnahastin here. The first reference doesn't state anything about Rathores or even Rajputs in general. i
Its actually about the
Mundas trying to Rajputise themselves which becomes obvious from the title of the journal itself ie "Emergence of Kingship, Rajputization and a New Economic Arrangement in Mundaland"
. And
2nd reference is essentially a large wall of text describing how Rajputs are illiterate so they can't be Kshatriyas. A fallacious analogy; what does kshatriyahood has to do with "literacy"? Here literacy is in modern sense which completely differs from literacy in ancient times so the andre winks source is not only irrelevant to Rathores or their origins but also logically fallacious.
3rd reference states "Rajputs are illiterate".
4rd reference is also about illiteracy. So much non-sense and
undue weightage to the literacy aspect of the entire group and a very poor attempt at
WP: SYNTHESIS. Please remove.
Shinjoya (
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LukeEmily The only citation which states about Rajputization is of shivaji koyal which you have been interpreting and mis representing. Read up here [7] He states that how munda dravidian tribals sought to legitimise themselves when they acquired power through Fabricating genealogy to Rajput or kshatriya rulers to Rajputise themselves :
1.6 The origin of kingship and the process of state formation in
Mundaland promoted Rajputization and Rajputization in turn helped in state formation
1.7 So far as the steps involved in the process of rajputization are
concerned the following may be identified.
2. The enticed Brahmins then somehow *discovered' that the said
tribal chief was a Rajput and declared him to be so. His lineage was
traced back to some important kshatriya dynasty of the past.
1. The budding tribal Raja invited Brahmins to his place to help
establish a court and gave them land and gifts.
2. The enticed Brahmins then somehow *discovered' that the said
tribal chief was a Rajput and declared him to be so. His lineage was
traced back to some important kshatriya dynasty of the past.
3. The tribal Raja once legitimized as a Rajput or a kshatriya
separated himself from his fellow tribesmen because supposedly he was
not of their blood.
5. With the growth of his economic and political power the Raja
entered into marriage aliances with Rajput families. He sought such
type of marriage alliances for his sons & daughters. He was interested
in infusing Rajput blood into his family.
1.10 The emergence of kingship amongst the Mundas ard its Rajputi-
zation exposed the said society to certain strains which adversely affected
it.
Its about Rajputization of Munda tribals, anyone can make that out. Anyway Shivaji koyals Journal is about mundaland not on rajputs and none of these citations even mention rathores so fails WP:REL. Ratnahastin talk 03:20, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
LukeEmily, I have observed that it was you who created the article Rajputisation. Now, you are trying to promote your article by adding it to the articles of all Rajput clans without caring for the content of cited references. Rajputisation is a very detailed article. Still, there isn't a single mention of Rathore in that article. Also, in the citations which are being used to support the disputed line in this article, Rathore isn't mentioned. This implies that the usage of the term in this article doesn't make any sense and the disputed line should be removed. Shinjoya ( talk) 13:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
LukeEmily since you've stated that Mention of Rajputization would probably not be necessary on this page if the page did not mention some fabricated decent
you've agreed that this text is not suitable so i think i can remove them now as per
WP:CONSENSUS.
RatnaHastin
talk 06:01, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
References
Rajputization discussed processes through which 'equalitarian, primitive, clan based tribal organization' adjusted itself to the centralized hierarchic, territorial oriented political developments in the course of state formation. This led a 'narrow lineage of single families' to disassociate itself from the main body of their tribe and claim Rajput origin. They not only adopted symbols and practices supposedly representative of the true Kshatriya, but also constructed genealogies that linked them to the primordial and legendary solar and lunar dynasties of kings. Further, it was pointed out that the caste of genealogists and mythographers variously known as Carans, Bhats, Vahivanca Barots, etc., prevalent in Gujarat, Rajasthan and other parts of north India actively provided their patron rulers with genealogies that linked local clans of these chiefs with regional clans and with the Kshatriyas of the Puranas and Mahabharata. Once a ruling group succeeded in establishing its claim to Rajput status, there followed a 'secondary Rajputization' when the tribes tried to 're-associate' with their formal tribal chiefs who had also transformed themselves into Hindu rajas and Rajput Kshatriyas.
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In Rathore states please include Seraikela state as it was founded by Raja Bikram Singh from Jodhpur in 1620 who came Puri, Odisha to make a pilgrimage to Jagannath temple. The information regarding Seraikela being a Rathore dynasty is available in rajput.com. 2409:4064:2E93:2D28:0:0:4CA:3509 ( talk) 03:01, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Rathore is an important branch of the Rajput caste. They are popular for their rule in Marwar region of Rajasthan. Wikieditor1008 ( talk) 15:56, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
There has been edit war between Ratnahastin, Shinjoya and White Horserider over this page. They all have been banned or blocked. So, I have reverted it to last best version. Heba Aisha ( talk) 00:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Did they really descend from the Gahadavalas? Very likely, no. But, we cannot be certain.. Well, "Niyogi, Roma (1959). The History of the Gāhaḍavāla Dynasty" , a source and its contents that you blanked out said these claims were doubtful and were bardic chronicles. See this version. The descent from Rama claim is mentioned by Sarkar. Pinging some other editors who have been involved in the previous talk sections Chariotrider555, Ravensfire, user: Kautilya3, utcursch, Sitush, Heba Aisha: I am not sure what is going on with TrangaBellam's edits. Please take a look if you have time. LukeEmily ( talk) 02:58, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
The factoids sourced to Niyogi were :
The Rathores also claim to be descendants of the 11th century Gahadavala dynasty of Varanasi.Please see the first, second and third paragraph of the Claims section, which incorporates far more details using far recent sources.
The Rathores of Jodhpur State claimed to be descendants of Jayachandra.Ditto
These claims are sourced through bardic chronicles.Ditto
These claims are of later origin, and their historical veracity is doubtful.Ditto
According to Prithviraj Raso, Rathore was an epithet of Jayachandra (Jaichand)Absent, to expand upon later. So your net objection is that I removed this single line? TrangaBellam ( talk) 10:44, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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Rathores are a Suryavanshi Rajput clan. The clan traces its lineage back to Rama, the mythical hero of the Hindu epic Ramayana and through him back to the sun god Surya himself. Which is why the Rathores also call themselves Suryavanshi or family of the sun. The Rathores hail from the Marwar region of western Rajasthan and inhabit in the Idar state of Gujarat and also in Chhapra & Muzaffarpur district of Bihar in a very small number. 2409:4052:4E97:F858:BBB0:9DD1:1125:9A06 ( talk) 16:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
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Ompatel.001 ( talk) 02:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
EDIT REQUEST : In this article, in the column of Sub clans, MANDLOT must be added as they are also one of the subclans of Rathore.
History about MANDLOT RATHORES : It can be prooved using this researched book named https://archive.org/details/hindutribescaste03sher/page/n43/mode/2up?q=Mandlot in the year 1918 in Library of Princeton.The mandlot clan of rathores later on came to Gujarat's Unjha and established UMAPURAM.
The name of the page should be changed to Rathore dynasty. The change is necessary to avoid confusion as this page is about the dynasty and not the modern surname. Ranadhira ( talk) 15:07, 2 April 2023 (UTC)