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Should the controversial thoughts of RK be used as the first sentence in this article? How notable are her views that they warrant such prominence? Ankh. Morpork 10:40, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Should rape during the partition of India be included in this particular article. The source doesn't specify that this applied exclusively to India and in fact makes reference to the women of India and Pakistan. Ankh. Morpork 11:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Was this edit reverted for any reason beyond the user being banned? Because the information appears to be accurate and relevant to the article as far as I can tell. Silver seren C 02:33, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
There really is nothing in the Rape in Jammu and Kashmir article which is not covered here, it ought to be redirected to this article. Darkness Shines ( talk) 02:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
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Myself Devender Munjal.This encyclopedic content may or may not be verifiable but it will show the truth that is most the precious one,if is informed to women in India.Age-34+.Male.It is impossible for men to say that they want girl-child and that not the boy.Rape in India can be totally eliminated if the women are enlightened about the critical facts which is the only root-cause of increasing rapes in India or Delhi.Wife must not ask her husband about his preference regarding having girl-child or the boy-child.It is impossible for men to say that they want girl-child because of the intense sexual shyness.Face is not the mirror of mind when the issues relating to women come up.Men will immediately frown when the news regarding the birth of girl-child is informed to them.Women do not know about sexual feelings embedded in the minds of men as the very word 'girl' is embedded with sexual feelings for men and therefore,in order to hide their sexual feelings towards girls,they always say that they wanted boy-child.But ignorance is no excuse.Lady Journalists wrongly published in 'The Delhi Times'magazine that homosexuality leads to sodomy.This was horrible and serious mistake commited by the women.To reveal the truth,God inflict sufferings on women in the form of rape.If the women keep on saying that men are their enemies only,then they themselves defeat their purpose of existance.Women should always read between the lines about the 'sayings' of men or the male doctors.Even the male doctors will also say that the rape can be had through vagina only and they will never mention the Anal-Sex since they will also undergo the intense Sexual Shynes in the presence of women.In the context of Anal-Sex,man is positive and the woman is negative.Positive and positive will repel rather than attract.Mollycoddling about saving the girl-child should be banned immediately.If the women say in public that Fathers hate Daughters,then they should immediately be taken to task.Men should also be brought to book if they impart wrong information to women directly or indirectly. |
I have removed a part from the introduction which made comparisons with other countries because the statitstics it cites cannot be used to make the argument that was being attempted.
"It should be emphasized here that the main purpose of the UN survey is not to measure the exact amount of crime that exists in the world or to compare countries, but rather to provide an accounting of crime and governmental responses to it. This aim of the survey is enhanced with an increasing number of sweeps that allow the emergence of a clearer picture of trends in individual societies." Source 9riffin ( talk) 00:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, the emphasis was my own and I should have stated that. However, it does not change the meaning of the paragraph I have quoted. Could you explain why, in light of this, you have cited a webpage that misuses these statistics again. Could you also provide a relevant quote from the book you cited which justifies international comparison in which India is a country with a tiny incidence of rape. 78.105.160.228 ( talk) 11:18, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
The law on Marital Rape in India is governed by Sections 375 (Rape), Section 375 read with Section 376 (Punishment for Rape), and Section 375 read with Section 376 and Section 376A (Intercourse by a man with his wife during separation) of the Indian Penal Code. This law was enacted in 1860, and amended several times thereafter from time to time by the Parliament of India and by state legislatures, which have the power to make certain types of state-specific laws and amendments to national laws, which become laws which are applicable only in particular states. [Indian Penal Code 1]
The "Exception" clause in section 375 (Rape) of the Indian Penal Code deals with spousal sexual intercourse with or without the consent of the wife, in case the wife is more than 15 years old. It reads as follows, "Exception.-Sexual intercourse by a man with his own wife, the wife not being under fifteen years of age, is not rape."
A fragment of Sub-section (1) of Section 376 (Punishment for Rape) deals with rape by a man of his wife who is between 12 and 15 years of age. This sub-section declares, "Whoever, except in the cases provided for by sub-section (2), commits rape shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which shall not be less than seven years but which may be for life or for a term which may extend to ten years and shall also be liable to fine unless the woman raped is his own wife and is not under twelve years of age, in which case, he shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years or with fine or with both".
Section 376A of the Indian Penal Code deals with "Intercourse by a man with his wife during separation". It declares, "Whoever has sexual intercourse with his own wife, who is living separately from him under a decree of separation or under any custom or usage without her consent shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years and shall also be liable to fine."
There is a discrepancy between the Hindu Marriage Act, the Special Marriage Act, laws relating to marriage between any religious combination of husband and wife (except marriage between a muslim man and a muslim woman, which is governed by the Muslim Marriage Act, and by judgments of the Supreme Court relating to this subject), and the Sections of the IPC dealing with marital rape. According to all these laws, the minimum age at which a woman can legally be married is 18 years. While the IPC sections dealing with rape, discuss wives as young as 12 years of age. The Prohibition of Child Marriage Act also prohibits marriage of girls younger than 18 years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.100.14.160 ( talk • contribs) 10:20, January 6 2013 (UTC)
This article looks more like a list of rapes that occurred on foreign citizens on India. Basically the article should have more statistics of rapes that occurred on Indian citizens. After all they comprise of 1 billion of the population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Susanhita ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I welcome any additional comments on this talk page, that would improve this article. M Tracy Hunter ( talk) 14:10, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Let me read, 1st source don't even have a word like "culture" and @ Andrewstephens1234: claim that "culture stigma" is the cause. 2nd, source from "Washingtonmonthly" is just a opinion of a writer who is expressing self opinion that how low rape cases occur in India, and "how many unreported rapes does all this extrapolate to? It’s difficult to even think about", how it accomplishes anything?
Finally the last source of "express.co.uk" claims that "Activists say that figure is misleading due to a culture of tolerance for sexual violence in India which leads many cases to go unreported." It is obviously WP:WEASEL, I mean which activists? How it establishes anything? When it is certainly the job of Activist to 'say' something. We know that rapes go underreported, it is a common thought, but doesn't means that it can be written here, without knowing the authority behind the allegation.
Read WP:UNDUE, WP:OR, WP:SOAPBOXING and WP:SYNTH. OccultZone ( Talk) 00:25, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=User:OccultZone I am afraid I do not think you have a right to challenge what The Express journalist wrote - also, he has referred to the culture of violence in India, so your earlier deletion is completely baseless. Second of all, the "1st source" does refer to many rapes going unreported - perhaps you need to read it again. Third, the journalist's opinion is valid and it is published in an established publication and what I said goes no further than what he said. Collectively my edits are perfectly accurate and fully sourced. Your deletions are completely gratuitous and you obviously have some sort of bias or agenda. Perhaps you are a Hindu India, I don't know, but please stop letting you prejudice and bias get in the way of disseminating information to the public. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewstephens1234 ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
The article states; Total reported number of rape crimes in 2012 were highest in Madhya Pradesh, followed by Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal. Later, in the same paragraph, the article states; The rape rate per 100,000 people was lowest in Gujarat (0.98), followed by Bihar, Karnataka, Uttar Pradesh and Tamil Nadu. Both statements "may" in fact be true but they certainly lead to confusion for the reader. ``` Buster Seven Talk 15:34, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
An IP is adding that "Ever since an uprising by Muslim insurgents, supported by most people in that region," and using HRW as source, when whole source has no such word at all. Source has no words like "arbitrary imprisonment"
All in all, only one line is correct and it is "campaign to acquit the army of charges of human rights violations and discredit those who brought the charges" which we have already noted on the start of the subsection when we wrote that "carried out by both Indian armed forces and islamist militants"..
Both sources have no exhausted WP:OR like "parks or schoolyards" or even "school" or any mention of "crackdown". OccultZone ( Talk) 13:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
There is a whole section that was previously removed by now blocked pov-pushers. It is a bit long, but I will take a look what of it is relevant for the article. :
Rape by militants (section that was blanked)
The rapes by Islamic militants have been reported since the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947. On 22 October 1947, Pashtun militants invaded Baramulla in a Pakistan army truck, and raped women including European nuns. [1] In March 1990, Mrs. M. N. Paul, the wife of a BSF inspector was kidnapped, tortured and gang-raped for many days. Then her body with broken limbs was abandoned on a road. [2]
On April 14, 1990, Sarla Bhat (27), a Kashmiri Pandit nurse from the Soura Medical College Hospital in Srinagar was gang-raped and then beaten to death by Islamic terrorists. Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) took responsibility for the crime, accusing Bhat of informing the police about the presence of militants in the hospital. [3] [4]
On 6 June 1990, Girija Tickoo, a lab assistant at the Government Girls High School Trehgam, was kidnapped and gang raped for many days. Then she was sliced at a sawmill. [5]
Prana Ganjoo was abducted with her husband in Sopore. She was gang-raped for a number of days before the both were killed in November 1990. [6]
Since 1991, reports of rape by Islamic miltants have increased, and there have been many cases of the militants threatening to kill the family unless a woman is handed over to the militants. According to the HRW, the rape victims of militants suffer ostracism and there is a "code of silence and fear" that prevents people from reporting such abuse. According to the HRW, the investigation of case of rape by militants is difficult because many Kashmiris are reluctant to discuss it for the fear of violent reprisals. [3]
The increase in number of rape cases has resulted in an increased number of abortions, leading to one case of murder of doctor. The doctor was accused of being an informer by the Islamic groups Hezb-ul Mujahidin and Al Jehad. [3]
In January 1991, Zarifa, daughter of Mohammed Sultan was forcibly asked to "marry" a militant. Her brother Bashir Ahmed was killed when the family refused, and the girl was taken away. [2]
On 30 March 1992, armed militants demanded food and shelter from the family of the retired truck driver Sohanlal (60) in Nai Sadak, Kralkhud. The family complied, but the militants raped Sohanlal's daughter Archana. When he and his wife tried to stop them, Sohanlal was shot dead. His elderly wife was also raped. Then both the women were also shot dead. [3]
There have been many cases of militants raping the young girls by forcing them into temporary marriages ( mutah in Islamic law) - these ceremonies are called "command marriages". [7] Shamima Ansari was forced to marry a the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen commander Farooq Ansari in Kishtwar in 2000. In 2005, a 14-year old Gujjar girl Roubia Kousar was abducted from Lurkoti village by the Lashkar-e-Taiba militants, and forced to marry one of them. She was gang-raped by her "husband" and his militant friends. [7] In December 2005, 15-year old Zaitoon Bano of Bajoni (Doda district) was forced to marry a Hizb-ul-Mujahideen militant Nazir Ahmed, after her family was threatened with death. [7] In 2009, a cleric Mohmmad Farooq was arrested for raping a 12-year-old girl in Poonch district. [8] Calypsomusic { talk} 14:00, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
You can't have it both ways, folks. Either it's used to source edits from both sides, or from none. Claiming a particular edit is "undue" is fine, yet it leaves you open to accusations that you are happy with similarly undue edits using the same source from the "other" side. Black
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I have removed some changes by Mave12 for 2nd time because there is no need to add "reported incidents", it is WP:OR. None of us know the amount of unreported rapes so we have to state the amount of 'rapes' per source without adding the extraordinary meaning that has no source.
Section "Conviction" must be removed though, because it cannot be expanded and it has to be merged into some other section. "Conviction" and "arrested" are different words, we should not mention anything about the arrests that took place in United States. We can add though but only if we have got same kind of data about the rape in India. OccultZone ( Talk • Contributions • Log) 09:51, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Zhanzao, please quote specifically all the sources for the 1 in 10 sentence here on the talk page. VictoriaGrayson Talk 18:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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I couldn't find a source that would compare the statistics with the ratio of reported cases with those of the US. I have added a source from niticentral regarding the "among lowest". Sankrant Sanu, the author of this article has written articles for multiple news websites. OccultZone ( Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
WSJ says in her "field experience". Which means "1 in 10" is a complete guess. Also, please stop deleting academic books like "Deviant Behavior." VictoriaGrayson Talk 16:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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There should be links between people mentioned in the article and their page on wikipedia.
E.g. Mamata Banerjee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamata_Banerjee 220.241.0.9 ( talk) 05:51, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
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There is a disturbing trend emerging in India, especially in metropolitan cities where women misuse the strong provisions in the rape act. For example, 53% of the rape cases reported in the national capital between April 2013 and July 2014 were determined to be false. This was found in an investigation by the Delhi Commission for Women, an official women rights body [1]. This trend of filing false rape cases has inflated the number of rape cases and put additional burden on the judiciary, according to the Delhi High Court. Also, it pointed out that the male victims of false rape cases are under a lot of stress and humiliation [2] [3] [4]. This has even led to two suicides by male victims of false rape cases. [5] [6] According to the Criminal Law (Amendment) Act, 2013 if the female victim states the intercourse had happened without her consent, then there is a presumption that the woman did not give consent thus placing the burden of proof on the man to refute the accusation [7]. There are numerous cases when consensual sex has taken place, but the woman filed a rape case against a man. These false rape cases has been pointed out by the Delhi and Bombay High Courts. [8] [9] [10]. This issue has also been investigated by The Hindu, an Indian newspaper. Among its key findings is that a third of all the sexual assault cases in Delhi heard during 2013 dealt with consenting couples in which the female's parents had accused the male of rape. [11] [12] [13]. These false rape cases have inflated the number of rape cases at a time when the international media has turned a keen eye on cases of rape in India. K.Goutham Babu ( talk) 12:15, 10 March 2015 (UTC) Help me out, I do not have much experience at editing Wikipedia
Since this is requested, can someone (actually seems like just any of 2) please explain why the section about travel advisories was removed? Its definitely a related notable reaction by government bodies around the world regarding the issue and incidents. The sources are all clearly RS and the co-relation is all reported, non clearer than the actual government issued travel advisory issued by the UK government, [1], and even Mahesh Sharma has been doing active damage control, poor guy. Plus there is definitely more than enough content so far to break this up as a separate section (the amount of writeup is beefier than the other sub-sections). If I didn't know better, I would almost think this was an attempt to whitewash the issue. But I'm assuming good faith here and waiting for a reasonable explanations for now before bring this up. Zhanzhao ( talk) 00:33, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Note that at least with the writeup about the drop in tourism, at least it can then be balanced off by the writeup about what The Indian government is doing to protect and warn tourists. Else there is no need for action if no problem is being acknowledged. Also the absense the travel advisories implies that the various governments of the victims are not doing anything to warn or protect their nationals even after past cases, which is not the case here at all. Zhanzhao ( talk) 01:02, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
1. Travel advisories are issued by most governments, as news bulletin. Advisories change. Often. On wiki policies, read the whole WP:WWIN. Articles are not travel guides, not advice, not trivia, not many other things. You wouldn't find travel advisory notes in an encyclopedia in any good university library.
Legal definition of rape, in contrast, is important because rape means different things in different countries. Sweden has one of the most complicated definition of rape, for example. Brazil defines rape differently for different victims. Many Islamic countries do not consider most types of sex as rape; and marital rape is not rape in all Muslim-majority countries because of Sharia. Such legal definitions of rape is notable and of encyclopedic value in respective wiki articles.
M Tracy Hunter ( talk) 00:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Jabalpur has the what? Peter Jedicke ( talk) 22:21, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Such as these allegations have to be rectified from the article. Also considering the WP:BLPCRIME, we cannot list a unproven allegation as rape. OccultZone ( Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:57, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
@ Padenton, OccultZone, and Zhanzhao: As I entered this fray by unblocking several individuals, I thought I'd make some comments.
This is the Rape in India article, and while tragic, individual incidents that do not have an impact or relevance in India as a whole don't really belong here. However....
Bgwhite ( talk) 08:37, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I just looked and the cases I looked up all have final court actions, but it has not been updated in the Wikipedia page. So if the only reason some want for removal is the conclusion then instead of deleting just find a updated reference and update it properly. But aside from that Wikipedia is not a court. If things were only posted when the person was found guilty then OJ Simpsons page would be very much smaller. I don't see any major issue with the current Rape of foreigners section other than it needs to be updated. A simple Google search showed the conclusions of these cases with verifiable and good reference quite easy. Resaltador ( talk) 13:48, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
@ Padenton, OccultZone, Zhanzhao, Human3015, and Resaltador: I've written up a first draft and it is in the article. I've put the material in a stand-alone section called, "Tourist advisories". I've tried to limit it to "tourist only" information. I've tried to account for many of the concerns that have been expressed. Please suggest any changes. Bgwhite ( talk) 21:10, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to keep you guys waiting. These revisions look great to me, thanks for helping us with this Bgwhite ― Padenton | ☎ 02:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
here i want to raise a issue that some notorious unregistered users making a issue out of non-issue,(specially 72.196.235.154). Issue of rape is very much sensitive and here anyone is adding anything without discussing it here on talk(maybe because of some vested interests). They are making changes and then asking to discuss here. Unregistered users are probably new so they don't know much about policies of Wikipedia. So I demand that only registered users should be allowed to edit this page(that too after discussing on talk). No one owns the page. Page should have NPOV. This is my perspective and it can be wrong. @ Bgwhite:. -- Human3015 02:47, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Page protected for two weeks. This is sure not fun. Today was the local Holi Festival and they were expecting 75,000. Didn't go this year, but last year was fun. Bgwhite ( talk) 06:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I've now protected the page so only admins can edit it for two weeks. IP/Person appears to not want to talk before changing material. Bgwhite ( talk) 08:30, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Aha! So this is the section you've been talking about this issue in, I kept checking the section above under ==Lead section== and didn't see any responses. Please, can you talk me through the rationale for not warning the reader about the problems with international comparisons of rape statistics? It's in the lead section of the article after all, and the first hit on Google if you Google Rape in India, so a lot of people are going to see this section. Bargolus ( talk) 12:23, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
So I took a closer look at some of the recent history for this article. It seems someone moved the paragraphs in the lead. I've moved the evaluation of the number of reported rapes back to the second paragraph, as it is not as important as the first paragraph. I also think this will satisfy some of the concerns about the lead's appropriateness. I also rearranged the second paragraph to move the "parliamentarians dispute this ....underreporting of rapes" (not verbatim) sentence closer to the top, as it is in response to the first sentence.
However, I also feel that the paragraph in question already mentions enough that it is referring specifically to 'reported' rapes. We also cannot comment on how severe the under-reporting is, that is mostly speculation, and also, estimates of the underreportedness in the US are irrelevant to India's situation. -- Padenton ( talk) 22:01, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Commenting on underreporting is entirely appropriate - it is highly misleading to simply quote rape statistics without taking into account differences in reporting due to different expectations of legal action and differences in remedies available. There is no controversy that living in country with large portions of the population in rural areas with a tradition of legal arbitrarion by local panchayats, societal expectations of blame and excommunication of the rape victim and lack of criminalization of marital rape will have substantial underreporting of rape and cannot be compared directly to a country where none of those conditions hold. 49.244.254.146 ( talk) 02:11, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi there, I keep getting reverted for the edits I make regarding this. The IP above was me as well, but I didn't realise I needed to sign in with my name until now. Please can we discuss this. If you look at survey figures, which are much more reliable for example the National Family Health Survey conducted by the government of India, the incidence of sexual violence is 8.5% among women aged 15-49 years old, way higher than the 1.2 rapes per 100,000 women you get from crime reports. It is very likely the low incidence of reported crimes reflect widespread societal fear on the part of women and lack of legal literacy rather than any kind of real safety. Having three sentences in the main paragraph stating exactly the same figures that India has the lowest reported rape rate in the world is misleading, because it makes readers think that rape is not a societal problem in India, because it is so low. Instead of fixating on numbers, this article should be discussing rape proper rather than numbers of reported rapes, since it is just as misleading to state arbitrary numbers gathered from a highly imperfect legal system and compare with highly imperfect monitoring systems from other countries using vastly different definitions and operating in vastly different ways. Whenever organizations conduct international, standardized, rigorous surveys such as the WHO multi-country report, India comes out in the middle rather than at the lowest end of the scale. Bargolus ( talk) 08:04, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I've put my comments in the request protected edit section so we can keep all the discussions inside one thread. But thanks for your comment! Bargolus ( talk) 14:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
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There is a disturbing trend emerging in India, especially in metropolitan cities where women misuse the strong provisions in the rape act. For example, 53% of the rape cases reported in the national capital between April 2013 and July 2014 were determined to be false. This was found in an investigation by the Delhi Commission for Women, an official women rights body [1]. This trend of filing false rape cases has inflated the number of rape cases and put additional burden on the judiciary, according to the Delhi High Court. Also, it pointed out that the male victims of false rape cases are under a lot of stress and humiliation [2] [3] [4]. This has even led to two suicides by male victims of false rape cases. [5] [6] According to the Criminal Law (Amendment) Act, 2013 if the female victim states the intercourse had happened without her consent, then there is a presumption that the woman did not give consent thus placing the burden of proof on the man to refute the accusation [7]. There are numerous cases when consensual sex has taken place, but the woman filed a rape case against a man. These false rape cases has been pointed out by the Delhi and Bombay High Courts. [8] [9] [10]. This issue has also been investigated by The Hindu, an Indian newspaper. Among its key findings is that a third of all the sexual assault cases in Delhi heard during 2013 dealt with consenting couples in which the female's parents had accused the male of rape. [11] [12] [13]. These false rape cases have inflated the number of rape cases at a time when the international media has turned a keen eye on cases of rape in India. K.Goutham Babu ( talk) 14:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
At the request of User:Bgwhite, I will try to outline my arguments more clearly, so it becomes easy for Wikipedia editors and readers to understand. I will start in small steps also because I cannot exactly spend my whole life on Wikipedia talk pages ;), but try to write as clearly as possible.
Argument for grammatical change
This is really a minor edit. But the sentence that reads
However parliamentarians have expressed concern that majority of rape cases go unreported.
needs to be modified to
However parliamentarians have expressed concern that the majority of rape cases go unreported.
In English, you need a "the" in front of the word "majority", it is called a Definite Article. The difference between English and languages like Hindi, Urdu, Bengali, Nepali, etc. is that the latter languages do not generally employ articles. "Give me the book" and "Give me a book" are both translated as "Mujhe kitab deng" in Hindi. Hindi does not require the speaker to specify whether or not you were talking about "the book" or "a book" in every sentence you make. However, in English you must. You cannot write "Give me book", that would be ungrammatical. Similarly, in the above sentence, you cannot write "that majority of rape cases go unreported", that is grammatically incorrect. To be grammatically correct you have to write "that the majority of rape cases go unreported". You can omit the definite article in special exceptional cases, for which there are special rules, but these rules do not apply to the word "majority" in the above context.
I hope this should be fairly uncontroversial so far? Let me leave it at this first and deal with the other changes after this. Bargolus ( talk) 12:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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Should the controversial thoughts of RK be used as the first sentence in this article? How notable are her views that they warrant such prominence? Ankh. Morpork 10:40, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Should rape during the partition of India be included in this particular article. The source doesn't specify that this applied exclusively to India and in fact makes reference to the women of India and Pakistan. Ankh. Morpork 11:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Was this edit reverted for any reason beyond the user being banned? Because the information appears to be accurate and relevant to the article as far as I can tell. Silver seren C 02:33, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
There really is nothing in the Rape in Jammu and Kashmir article which is not covered here, it ought to be redirected to this article. Darkness Shines ( talk) 02:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
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Myself Devender Munjal.This encyclopedic content may or may not be verifiable but it will show the truth that is most the precious one,if is informed to women in India.Age-34+.Male.It is impossible for men to say that they want girl-child and that not the boy.Rape in India can be totally eliminated if the women are enlightened about the critical facts which is the only root-cause of increasing rapes in India or Delhi.Wife must not ask her husband about his preference regarding having girl-child or the boy-child.It is impossible for men to say that they want girl-child because of the intense sexual shyness.Face is not the mirror of mind when the issues relating to women come up.Men will immediately frown when the news regarding the birth of girl-child is informed to them.Women do not know about sexual feelings embedded in the minds of men as the very word 'girl' is embedded with sexual feelings for men and therefore,in order to hide their sexual feelings towards girls,they always say that they wanted boy-child.But ignorance is no excuse.Lady Journalists wrongly published in 'The Delhi Times'magazine that homosexuality leads to sodomy.This was horrible and serious mistake commited by the women.To reveal the truth,God inflict sufferings on women in the form of rape.If the women keep on saying that men are their enemies only,then they themselves defeat their purpose of existance.Women should always read between the lines about the 'sayings' of men or the male doctors.Even the male doctors will also say that the rape can be had through vagina only and they will never mention the Anal-Sex since they will also undergo the intense Sexual Shynes in the presence of women.In the context of Anal-Sex,man is positive and the woman is negative.Positive and positive will repel rather than attract.Mollycoddling about saving the girl-child should be banned immediately.If the women say in public that Fathers hate Daughters,then they should immediately be taken to task.Men should also be brought to book if they impart wrong information to women directly or indirectly. |
I have removed a part from the introduction which made comparisons with other countries because the statitstics it cites cannot be used to make the argument that was being attempted.
"It should be emphasized here that the main purpose of the UN survey is not to measure the exact amount of crime that exists in the world or to compare countries, but rather to provide an accounting of crime and governmental responses to it. This aim of the survey is enhanced with an increasing number of sweeps that allow the emergence of a clearer picture of trends in individual societies." Source 9riffin ( talk) 00:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, the emphasis was my own and I should have stated that. However, it does not change the meaning of the paragraph I have quoted. Could you explain why, in light of this, you have cited a webpage that misuses these statistics again. Could you also provide a relevant quote from the book you cited which justifies international comparison in which India is a country with a tiny incidence of rape. 78.105.160.228 ( talk) 11:18, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
The law on Marital Rape in India is governed by Sections 375 (Rape), Section 375 read with Section 376 (Punishment for Rape), and Section 375 read with Section 376 and Section 376A (Intercourse by a man with his wife during separation) of the Indian Penal Code. This law was enacted in 1860, and amended several times thereafter from time to time by the Parliament of India and by state legislatures, which have the power to make certain types of state-specific laws and amendments to national laws, which become laws which are applicable only in particular states. [Indian Penal Code 1]
The "Exception" clause in section 375 (Rape) of the Indian Penal Code deals with spousal sexual intercourse with or without the consent of the wife, in case the wife is more than 15 years old. It reads as follows, "Exception.-Sexual intercourse by a man with his own wife, the wife not being under fifteen years of age, is not rape."
A fragment of Sub-section (1) of Section 376 (Punishment for Rape) deals with rape by a man of his wife who is between 12 and 15 years of age. This sub-section declares, "Whoever, except in the cases provided for by sub-section (2), commits rape shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which shall not be less than seven years but which may be for life or for a term which may extend to ten years and shall also be liable to fine unless the woman raped is his own wife and is not under twelve years of age, in which case, he shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years or with fine or with both".
Section 376A of the Indian Penal Code deals with "Intercourse by a man with his wife during separation". It declares, "Whoever has sexual intercourse with his own wife, who is living separately from him under a decree of separation or under any custom or usage without her consent shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years and shall also be liable to fine."
There is a discrepancy between the Hindu Marriage Act, the Special Marriage Act, laws relating to marriage between any religious combination of husband and wife (except marriage between a muslim man and a muslim woman, which is governed by the Muslim Marriage Act, and by judgments of the Supreme Court relating to this subject), and the Sections of the IPC dealing with marital rape. According to all these laws, the minimum age at which a woman can legally be married is 18 years. While the IPC sections dealing with rape, discuss wives as young as 12 years of age. The Prohibition of Child Marriage Act also prohibits marriage of girls younger than 18 years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.100.14.160 ( talk • contribs) 10:20, January 6 2013 (UTC)
This article looks more like a list of rapes that occurred on foreign citizens on India. Basically the article should have more statistics of rapes that occurred on Indian citizens. After all they comprise of 1 billion of the population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Susanhita ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I welcome any additional comments on this talk page, that would improve this article. M Tracy Hunter ( talk) 14:10, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Let me read, 1st source don't even have a word like "culture" and @ Andrewstephens1234: claim that "culture stigma" is the cause. 2nd, source from "Washingtonmonthly" is just a opinion of a writer who is expressing self opinion that how low rape cases occur in India, and "how many unreported rapes does all this extrapolate to? It’s difficult to even think about", how it accomplishes anything?
Finally the last source of "express.co.uk" claims that "Activists say that figure is misleading due to a culture of tolerance for sexual violence in India which leads many cases to go unreported." It is obviously WP:WEASEL, I mean which activists? How it establishes anything? When it is certainly the job of Activist to 'say' something. We know that rapes go underreported, it is a common thought, but doesn't means that it can be written here, without knowing the authority behind the allegation.
Read WP:UNDUE, WP:OR, WP:SOAPBOXING and WP:SYNTH. OccultZone ( Talk) 00:25, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=User:OccultZone I am afraid I do not think you have a right to challenge what The Express journalist wrote - also, he has referred to the culture of violence in India, so your earlier deletion is completely baseless. Second of all, the "1st source" does refer to many rapes going unreported - perhaps you need to read it again. Third, the journalist's opinion is valid and it is published in an established publication and what I said goes no further than what he said. Collectively my edits are perfectly accurate and fully sourced. Your deletions are completely gratuitous and you obviously have some sort of bias or agenda. Perhaps you are a Hindu India, I don't know, but please stop letting you prejudice and bias get in the way of disseminating information to the public. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewstephens1234 ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
The article states; Total reported number of rape crimes in 2012 were highest in Madhya Pradesh, followed by Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal. Later, in the same paragraph, the article states; The rape rate per 100,000 people was lowest in Gujarat (0.98), followed by Bihar, Karnataka, Uttar Pradesh and Tamil Nadu. Both statements "may" in fact be true but they certainly lead to confusion for the reader. ``` Buster Seven Talk 15:34, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
An IP is adding that "Ever since an uprising by Muslim insurgents, supported by most people in that region," and using HRW as source, when whole source has no such word at all. Source has no words like "arbitrary imprisonment"
All in all, only one line is correct and it is "campaign to acquit the army of charges of human rights violations and discredit those who brought the charges" which we have already noted on the start of the subsection when we wrote that "carried out by both Indian armed forces and islamist militants"..
Both sources have no exhausted WP:OR like "parks or schoolyards" or even "school" or any mention of "crackdown". OccultZone ( Talk) 13:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
There is a whole section that was previously removed by now blocked pov-pushers. It is a bit long, but I will take a look what of it is relevant for the article. :
Rape by militants (section that was blanked)
The rapes by Islamic militants have been reported since the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947. On 22 October 1947, Pashtun militants invaded Baramulla in a Pakistan army truck, and raped women including European nuns. [1] In March 1990, Mrs. M. N. Paul, the wife of a BSF inspector was kidnapped, tortured and gang-raped for many days. Then her body with broken limbs was abandoned on a road. [2]
On April 14, 1990, Sarla Bhat (27), a Kashmiri Pandit nurse from the Soura Medical College Hospital in Srinagar was gang-raped and then beaten to death by Islamic terrorists. Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) took responsibility for the crime, accusing Bhat of informing the police about the presence of militants in the hospital. [3] [4]
On 6 June 1990, Girija Tickoo, a lab assistant at the Government Girls High School Trehgam, was kidnapped and gang raped for many days. Then she was sliced at a sawmill. [5]
Prana Ganjoo was abducted with her husband in Sopore. She was gang-raped for a number of days before the both were killed in November 1990. [6]
Since 1991, reports of rape by Islamic miltants have increased, and there have been many cases of the militants threatening to kill the family unless a woman is handed over to the militants. According to the HRW, the rape victims of militants suffer ostracism and there is a "code of silence and fear" that prevents people from reporting such abuse. According to the HRW, the investigation of case of rape by militants is difficult because many Kashmiris are reluctant to discuss it for the fear of violent reprisals. [3]
The increase in number of rape cases has resulted in an increased number of abortions, leading to one case of murder of doctor. The doctor was accused of being an informer by the Islamic groups Hezb-ul Mujahidin and Al Jehad. [3]
In January 1991, Zarifa, daughter of Mohammed Sultan was forcibly asked to "marry" a militant. Her brother Bashir Ahmed was killed when the family refused, and the girl was taken away. [2]
On 30 March 1992, armed militants demanded food and shelter from the family of the retired truck driver Sohanlal (60) in Nai Sadak, Kralkhud. The family complied, but the militants raped Sohanlal's daughter Archana. When he and his wife tried to stop them, Sohanlal was shot dead. His elderly wife was also raped. Then both the women were also shot dead. [3]
There have been many cases of militants raping the young girls by forcing them into temporary marriages ( mutah in Islamic law) - these ceremonies are called "command marriages". [7] Shamima Ansari was forced to marry a the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen commander Farooq Ansari in Kishtwar in 2000. In 2005, a 14-year old Gujjar girl Roubia Kousar was abducted from Lurkoti village by the Lashkar-e-Taiba militants, and forced to marry one of them. She was gang-raped by her "husband" and his militant friends. [7] In December 2005, 15-year old Zaitoon Bano of Bajoni (Doda district) was forced to marry a Hizb-ul-Mujahideen militant Nazir Ahmed, after her family was threatened with death. [7] In 2009, a cleric Mohmmad Farooq was arrested for raping a 12-year-old girl in Poonch district. [8] Calypsomusic { talk} 14:00, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
You can't have it both ways, folks. Either it's used to source edits from both sides, or from none. Claiming a particular edit is "undue" is fine, yet it leaves you open to accusations that you are happy with similarly undue edits using the same source from the "other" side. Black
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I have removed some changes by Mave12 for 2nd time because there is no need to add "reported incidents", it is WP:OR. None of us know the amount of unreported rapes so we have to state the amount of 'rapes' per source without adding the extraordinary meaning that has no source.
Section "Conviction" must be removed though, because it cannot be expanded and it has to be merged into some other section. "Conviction" and "arrested" are different words, we should not mention anything about the arrests that took place in United States. We can add though but only if we have got same kind of data about the rape in India. OccultZone ( Talk • Contributions • Log) 09:51, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Zhanzao, please quote specifically all the sources for the 1 in 10 sentence here on the talk page. VictoriaGrayson Talk 18:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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I couldn't find a source that would compare the statistics with the ratio of reported cases with those of the US. I have added a source from niticentral regarding the "among lowest". Sankrant Sanu, the author of this article has written articles for multiple news websites. OccultZone ( Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
WSJ says in her "field experience". Which means "1 in 10" is a complete guess. Also, please stop deleting academic books like "Deviant Behavior." VictoriaGrayson Talk 16:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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There should be links between people mentioned in the article and their page on wikipedia.
E.g. Mamata Banerjee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamata_Banerjee 220.241.0.9 ( talk) 05:51, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
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There is a disturbing trend emerging in India, especially in metropolitan cities where women misuse the strong provisions in the rape act. For example, 53% of the rape cases reported in the national capital between April 2013 and July 2014 were determined to be false. This was found in an investigation by the Delhi Commission for Women, an official women rights body [1]. This trend of filing false rape cases has inflated the number of rape cases and put additional burden on the judiciary, according to the Delhi High Court. Also, it pointed out that the male victims of false rape cases are under a lot of stress and humiliation [2] [3] [4]. This has even led to two suicides by male victims of false rape cases. [5] [6] According to the Criminal Law (Amendment) Act, 2013 if the female victim states the intercourse had happened without her consent, then there is a presumption that the woman did not give consent thus placing the burden of proof on the man to refute the accusation [7]. There are numerous cases when consensual sex has taken place, but the woman filed a rape case against a man. These false rape cases has been pointed out by the Delhi and Bombay High Courts. [8] [9] [10]. This issue has also been investigated by The Hindu, an Indian newspaper. Among its key findings is that a third of all the sexual assault cases in Delhi heard during 2013 dealt with consenting couples in which the female's parents had accused the male of rape. [11] [12] [13]. These false rape cases have inflated the number of rape cases at a time when the international media has turned a keen eye on cases of rape in India. K.Goutham Babu ( talk) 12:15, 10 March 2015 (UTC) Help me out, I do not have much experience at editing Wikipedia
Since this is requested, can someone (actually seems like just any of 2) please explain why the section about travel advisories was removed? Its definitely a related notable reaction by government bodies around the world regarding the issue and incidents. The sources are all clearly RS and the co-relation is all reported, non clearer than the actual government issued travel advisory issued by the UK government, [1], and even Mahesh Sharma has been doing active damage control, poor guy. Plus there is definitely more than enough content so far to break this up as a separate section (the amount of writeup is beefier than the other sub-sections). If I didn't know better, I would almost think this was an attempt to whitewash the issue. But I'm assuming good faith here and waiting for a reasonable explanations for now before bring this up. Zhanzhao ( talk) 00:33, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Note that at least with the writeup about the drop in tourism, at least it can then be balanced off by the writeup about what The Indian government is doing to protect and warn tourists. Else there is no need for action if no problem is being acknowledged. Also the absense the travel advisories implies that the various governments of the victims are not doing anything to warn or protect their nationals even after past cases, which is not the case here at all. Zhanzhao ( talk) 01:02, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
1. Travel advisories are issued by most governments, as news bulletin. Advisories change. Often. On wiki policies, read the whole WP:WWIN. Articles are not travel guides, not advice, not trivia, not many other things. You wouldn't find travel advisory notes in an encyclopedia in any good university library.
Legal definition of rape, in contrast, is important because rape means different things in different countries. Sweden has one of the most complicated definition of rape, for example. Brazil defines rape differently for different victims. Many Islamic countries do not consider most types of sex as rape; and marital rape is not rape in all Muslim-majority countries because of Sharia. Such legal definitions of rape is notable and of encyclopedic value in respective wiki articles.
M Tracy Hunter ( talk) 00:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Jabalpur has the what? Peter Jedicke ( talk) 22:21, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Such as these allegations have to be rectified from the article. Also considering the WP:BLPCRIME, we cannot list a unproven allegation as rape. OccultZone ( Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:57, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
@ Padenton, OccultZone, and Zhanzhao: As I entered this fray by unblocking several individuals, I thought I'd make some comments.
This is the Rape in India article, and while tragic, individual incidents that do not have an impact or relevance in India as a whole don't really belong here. However....
Bgwhite ( talk) 08:37, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I just looked and the cases I looked up all have final court actions, but it has not been updated in the Wikipedia page. So if the only reason some want for removal is the conclusion then instead of deleting just find a updated reference and update it properly. But aside from that Wikipedia is not a court. If things were only posted when the person was found guilty then OJ Simpsons page would be very much smaller. I don't see any major issue with the current Rape of foreigners section other than it needs to be updated. A simple Google search showed the conclusions of these cases with verifiable and good reference quite easy. Resaltador ( talk) 13:48, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
@ Padenton, OccultZone, Zhanzhao, Human3015, and Resaltador: I've written up a first draft and it is in the article. I've put the material in a stand-alone section called, "Tourist advisories". I've tried to limit it to "tourist only" information. I've tried to account for many of the concerns that have been expressed. Please suggest any changes. Bgwhite ( talk) 21:10, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to keep you guys waiting. These revisions look great to me, thanks for helping us with this Bgwhite ― Padenton | ☎ 02:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
here i want to raise a issue that some notorious unregistered users making a issue out of non-issue,(specially 72.196.235.154). Issue of rape is very much sensitive and here anyone is adding anything without discussing it here on talk(maybe because of some vested interests). They are making changes and then asking to discuss here. Unregistered users are probably new so they don't know much about policies of Wikipedia. So I demand that only registered users should be allowed to edit this page(that too after discussing on talk). No one owns the page. Page should have NPOV. This is my perspective and it can be wrong. @ Bgwhite:. -- Human3015 02:47, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Page protected for two weeks. This is sure not fun. Today was the local Holi Festival and they were expecting 75,000. Didn't go this year, but last year was fun. Bgwhite ( talk) 06:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I've now protected the page so only admins can edit it for two weeks. IP/Person appears to not want to talk before changing material. Bgwhite ( talk) 08:30, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Aha! So this is the section you've been talking about this issue in, I kept checking the section above under ==Lead section== and didn't see any responses. Please, can you talk me through the rationale for not warning the reader about the problems with international comparisons of rape statistics? It's in the lead section of the article after all, and the first hit on Google if you Google Rape in India, so a lot of people are going to see this section. Bargolus ( talk) 12:23, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
So I took a closer look at some of the recent history for this article. It seems someone moved the paragraphs in the lead. I've moved the evaluation of the number of reported rapes back to the second paragraph, as it is not as important as the first paragraph. I also think this will satisfy some of the concerns about the lead's appropriateness. I also rearranged the second paragraph to move the "parliamentarians dispute this ....underreporting of rapes" (not verbatim) sentence closer to the top, as it is in response to the first sentence.
However, I also feel that the paragraph in question already mentions enough that it is referring specifically to 'reported' rapes. We also cannot comment on how severe the under-reporting is, that is mostly speculation, and also, estimates of the underreportedness in the US are irrelevant to India's situation. -- Padenton ( talk) 22:01, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Commenting on underreporting is entirely appropriate - it is highly misleading to simply quote rape statistics without taking into account differences in reporting due to different expectations of legal action and differences in remedies available. There is no controversy that living in country with large portions of the population in rural areas with a tradition of legal arbitrarion by local panchayats, societal expectations of blame and excommunication of the rape victim and lack of criminalization of marital rape will have substantial underreporting of rape and cannot be compared directly to a country where none of those conditions hold. 49.244.254.146 ( talk) 02:11, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi there, I keep getting reverted for the edits I make regarding this. The IP above was me as well, but I didn't realise I needed to sign in with my name until now. Please can we discuss this. If you look at survey figures, which are much more reliable for example the National Family Health Survey conducted by the government of India, the incidence of sexual violence is 8.5% among women aged 15-49 years old, way higher than the 1.2 rapes per 100,000 women you get from crime reports. It is very likely the low incidence of reported crimes reflect widespread societal fear on the part of women and lack of legal literacy rather than any kind of real safety. Having three sentences in the main paragraph stating exactly the same figures that India has the lowest reported rape rate in the world is misleading, because it makes readers think that rape is not a societal problem in India, because it is so low. Instead of fixating on numbers, this article should be discussing rape proper rather than numbers of reported rapes, since it is just as misleading to state arbitrary numbers gathered from a highly imperfect legal system and compare with highly imperfect monitoring systems from other countries using vastly different definitions and operating in vastly different ways. Whenever organizations conduct international, standardized, rigorous surveys such as the WHO multi-country report, India comes out in the middle rather than at the lowest end of the scale. Bargolus ( talk) 08:04, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I've put my comments in the request protected edit section so we can keep all the discussions inside one thread. But thanks for your comment! Bargolus ( talk) 14:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
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There is a disturbing trend emerging in India, especially in metropolitan cities where women misuse the strong provisions in the rape act. For example, 53% of the rape cases reported in the national capital between April 2013 and July 2014 were determined to be false. This was found in an investigation by the Delhi Commission for Women, an official women rights body [1]. This trend of filing false rape cases has inflated the number of rape cases and put additional burden on the judiciary, according to the Delhi High Court. Also, it pointed out that the male victims of false rape cases are under a lot of stress and humiliation [2] [3] [4]. This has even led to two suicides by male victims of false rape cases. [5] [6] According to the Criminal Law (Amendment) Act, 2013 if the female victim states the intercourse had happened without her consent, then there is a presumption that the woman did not give consent thus placing the burden of proof on the man to refute the accusation [7]. There are numerous cases when consensual sex has taken place, but the woman filed a rape case against a man. These false rape cases has been pointed out by the Delhi and Bombay High Courts. [8] [9] [10]. This issue has also been investigated by The Hindu, an Indian newspaper. Among its key findings is that a third of all the sexual assault cases in Delhi heard during 2013 dealt with consenting couples in which the female's parents had accused the male of rape. [11] [12] [13]. These false rape cases have inflated the number of rape cases at a time when the international media has turned a keen eye on cases of rape in India. K.Goutham Babu ( talk) 14:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
At the request of User:Bgwhite, I will try to outline my arguments more clearly, so it becomes easy for Wikipedia editors and readers to understand. I will start in small steps also because I cannot exactly spend my whole life on Wikipedia talk pages ;), but try to write as clearly as possible.
Argument for grammatical change
This is really a minor edit. But the sentence that reads
However parliamentarians have expressed concern that majority of rape cases go unreported.
needs to be modified to
However parliamentarians have expressed concern that the majority of rape cases go unreported.
In English, you need a "the" in front of the word "majority", it is called a Definite Article. The difference between English and languages like Hindi, Urdu, Bengali, Nepali, etc. is that the latter languages do not generally employ articles. "Give me the book" and "Give me a book" are both translated as "Mujhe kitab deng" in Hindi. Hindi does not require the speaker to specify whether or not you were talking about "the book" or "a book" in every sentence you make. However, in English you must. You cannot write "Give me book", that would be ungrammatical. Similarly, in the above sentence, you cannot write "that majority of rape cases go unreported", that is grammatically incorrect. To be grammatically correct you have to write "that the majority of rape cases go unreported". You can omit the definite article in special exceptional cases, for which there are special rules, but these rules do not apply to the word "majority" in the above context.
I hope this should be fairly uncontroversial so far? Let me leave it at this first and deal with the other changes after this. Bargolus ( talk) 12:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)