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Red flags in the blurring of the distinction of color-blindness at the individual and societal level, as well as a decided POV (color-blind bad), are present. I'll be following the references, but in the meantime if anyone has something applicable to expand the section and refute its one-sided approach, please feel free! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.139.85.146 ( talk) 13:19, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
There is a rarely discussed concept in society, where fear of the "other" (african/asian/mongol), is used as an impetus chaser/driver to strangely deform/enforce deals via " off the books", implied, & " word of mouth" adjuncts to that deal. Does anyone have some sources about this to add to any relevant section of the article? See Taboo; unspoken rule; Zwarte Piet; " Deal with the Devil"; " Blood oath"; Deadline; Penalty (Mormonism); cuckold; white slavery ( Cariye); Fear of a Black Planet; Behind the green door; Mongol horde ( Orda; Band society); silk Road transmission of art; Steppe Route. Text mdnp ( talk) 19:41, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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In the section "Social and Behavioural Sciences", after the currently existing sentence: "Thus, racist thoughts and actions can arise from stereotypes and fears of which we are not aware.":
I would like to request you to kindly add this sentence:
For example, scientists and activists have warned that the use of the stereotype "Nigerian Prince" for referring to advance-fee scammers is racist, i.e. "reducing Nigeria to a nation of scammers and fraudulent princes, as some people still do online, is a stereotype that needs to be called out". [1]
Here is the reference:
https://doi.org/10.1080/02533952.2020.1813943 that should be cited at the end of the new sentence.
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Due to the history of European colonialism, imperialism, and environmental destruction, it is more important than ever to explore how racism shapes many, many domains of our everyday lives. Racism in this case is defined primarily in terms of the dimensions of white supremacy. For instance, oppressed minority groups who are critical of their own race or who are critical of other oppressed minority races may be experiencing the harmful effects of internalized racial subordination or internalized whitewashing. On the other hand, white people who seek to distinguish themselves as somehow superior to or better than oppressed minority races are actively weilding their white privilege as a source of pride. In this instance of racial minorities criticizing and looking down upon other racial minorities while praising and admiring whites, and in the other instance of whites criticizing, demeaning, and claiming superiority over racial minorities for any reason, we see the two primary manifestations of white supremacy in our society today. Whether we are conscious of it or not, we experience, participate in, or confront the legacy of racism in our families, friendships, everyday relationships, home lives, leisure activities, workplaces, employment opportunities, housing opportunities, health outcomes, wealth ownership, earnings and income, insurance marketplaces, life expectancy outcomes, disparate access to medical care and healthcare, experiences with pollution and environmental degradation, encounters with the criminal justice system, enjoyment of outdoor recreation, experiences in public education, infrastructure and transportation systems, movies, television shows, history, and politics; but we only realize the pervasiveness of racism in all of these domains of public and private life if we allow ourselves to fully explore how individuals of different races would experience these significant aspects of the human discussion from an intersectional perspective. Critical race theory offers such an intersectional theoretical framework. 173.70.232.128 ( talk) 00:34, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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The second paragraph states that most anthropologists, scientists, and biologists reject a taxonomy of races. There are newer sources for that to add, [1] and it is only partially true.
It is partially true, because from the data we can see, studies referring to Eastern Europeans and Asians have shown the opposite. So the results should include that they are according to "Western" scientists. [2] [3]
As for the second sentence, "As of 2005, human genome research indicates that race is not a meaningful genetic classification of humans.", do we use this kind of data for other animals in determining if they are subspecies? It seems the distinction of "race," is close to "subspecies," and if we use similar classifications for subspecies based on phenotypes (or if we go the route of Lewontin and use the fixation index), either way, humans would be different subspecies. Humans are more heterozygous than other subspecies, and even than some other species that are polytypic.. [4] The divergence of racial groups in time also surpasses various subspecies such as some birds and lizards (time being the primary reason why dog breeds are not considered subspecies (their variance due to their phenotypical plasticity and artificial selection)). Weagesdf ( talk) 18:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
if we were to use the same criteria that we do for the taxonomy o fother mammals, we could easily separate humans into subspecies.This is false. But I am not going to debate it with you further. Best wishes, Generalrelative ( talk) 19:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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This new definition of racism is an ideological device to push a political persepctive. It should not be merged with the dictionary definition of racism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.238.170 ( talk) 03:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
The article is a stub and has more weight on the criticism than relaying the intended use of the definition in academia. It feels a little unnecessary. Compared to other articles on the topic, this one is wanting. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 19:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I suggest removing this phrase because there is no citation supporting that somebody is confusing these terms (and as far as I see - nobody does). Moreover, the term "Rashism" is highly politically controversial right now and should not be included in well-established articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.169.95 ( talk) 08:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIZDtqWX6Fk Can use a video as a source, but the Portugal person that I don't know how to spell is mentioned along with the Portugal King in 1450s. The speaker mentions the name of the researcher also. It's at time mark 9m20s. Thanks, Marasama ( talk) 02:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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The definition of racism in the introduction is limited mostly to chauvinism with regard to "races", which is indeed one crucial characteristic of racism. Some racists, however, extend the concept to the point that groups of different geographical origin must be segregated, especially to prevent mixing of the "races". The definition should absolutely mention this and cite the terminology for these sub-concepts. My proposal for reformulation:
(Any other wording making the same point is also okay. I am a non-native speaker of English and not fully aware of stylistic subtleties.) -- HV ( talk) 10:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC) HV ( talk) 10:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
some racists extend...) requires new citations or is already supported by existing ones. To be clear - I'm not necessarily opposed to, or rejecting this proposal; it's just really difficult to evaluate right now.
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In the Racism as a modern phenomenon section, a sentence should be added about Martin Luthers racism against the Jews influencing later Nazi racism. [1] Rote1234 ( talk) 01:09, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
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Although antisemitism has a long history, related to Christianity and native Egyptian or Greek religions[140] (anti-Judaism), racism itself is sometimes described as a modern phenomenon. I come from "scientific racism" Wikiedia page to investigate this further. I have noticed some weird tendencies on Wikipedia to frame christianity racist. Christianity has been used to serve many different ends, indeed. But it should be dealt with professionally. The sentence could instead begin like this "Although etnocentrism has a long history, ...". Why is christianity highlighted? Why is antisemitism equated to racism? And which are those native Egyptian or Greek religions? Well, there is no point of the linking phrase "although ..." in this paragraph, and it has has no relevance to "Racism as a modern phenomenon". Short it down — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.225.188.129 ( talk) 14:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Why is antisemitism equated to racism?that's easy to read as a red flag. VQuakr ( talk) 21:43, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
The whole section has developped over time into a mess. In 2016, part of our section read, "This discourse, which first appeared in Great Britain, was then carried on in France by people such as Boulainvilliers, Nicolas Fréret, and then, during the 1789 French Revolution, Sieyès, and afterward Augustin Thierry and Cournot. Boulainvilliers, which created the matrix of such racist discourse in medieval France, conceived the "race" as something closer to the sense of "nation", that is, in his times, the "people"." [2]. "This discourse" was a reference to Foucault's "discourse of race struggle". Now we have "This European analysis" and nobody knows what the demonstrative pronoun refers to. The mention of anti-Judaism seems to be WP:SYNTH. I'll try a bit of repair work. Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:28, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
I am genuinely curious about the topic and definition of racism (stating this because I see and understand this page is controversial). The lede of this page cites very few sources, the first coming at the bottom of the second paragraph. Other wikipedia pages cite sources after most sentences in the General section. I think this should be reviewed and sources cited, especially considering the finality of statements made in the first two paragraphs. There are multiple vague sources: "in contemporary social science," "often used in a sense," "often used to describe." For those trying to learn about the definition of racism and how/if it has evolved over time, this lede is insufficient. Nebo294 ( talk) 03:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
In this comment from May 2020, it was explained that the change made in this January 2020 edit created an objectionable lede.
As I see it, the objectionable aspect of the lede is that racism is presented as something that at least had a seemingly rational basis. But the objection is not that issue, it is that this is the lede. This should be the thrust of what we mean when we speak about racism today, and my impression is when we use the word racism, we're generally referring to the practice of discrimination against certain groups based on their race.
Notwithstanding the subsequent addition of text in the edit request of 5 August 2022, the lede is still objectionable. The only real justification presented for leaving the lede as it that was given was "we go by what reliable sources say about a topic.". But I'm pretty sure there are numerous reliable sources that say something different, perhaps more akin to what this was prior to the January 2020 edit. Here are a few examples:
Actually, though, some of the pre-existing lede sentences strike me as pretty much okay, such as the lede sentence in the edit of 5 December 2016.
Additionally, I'm not sure we're exactly bound (e.g. in the lede) to have a source with a verbatim definition. Is it really a violation of WP:SYNTH to pull information from multiple sources in the description provided in the lede (not that I really want to get sidetracked by such "deep-thought" questions)?
Please speak up if you feel the current lede is problematic (or for that matter, speak up in support of the current lede). IMO/FWIW, the progress of this article (at least in respect of the lede) seems to have been generally downhill over the last several years, and arguably provides some fairly decent support for the theory of Wikipedia actually being in a general state of decline. Fabrickator ( talk) 09:44, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity. Racism can be present in social actions, practices, or political systems (e.g., apartheid) that support the expression of prejudice or aversion in discriminatory practices. The ideology undRacism is erlying racist practices often includes the idea that humans can be subdivided into distinct groups that are different in their social behavior and innate capacities and that can be ranked as inferior or superior. Racist ideology can become manifest in many aspects of social life. Associated social actions may include nativism, xenophobia, otherness, segregation, hierarchical ranking, supremacism, and related social phenomena.
First sentence states "Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity" with a link on "race or ethnicity" going to the "Race" page. But what about "Ethnicity"? There is a page for it too. And as far as I know there ain't the same thing. 79.153.44.152 ( talk) 09:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Is this consensus? It doesn't seem clear that racial discrimination didn't exist before the Modern Period. Take antisemitism, for instance, which has existed since antiquity. Because if "racism" doesn't encompass racial discrimination before the modern period, this article must reflect that, in mentioning discrimination of ethnicities throughout history. It seems absurd - the idea that racism is a "modern" concept. Zilch-nada ( talk) 10:57, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
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Red flags in the blurring of the distinction of color-blindness at the individual and societal level, as well as a decided POV (color-blind bad), are present. I'll be following the references, but in the meantime if anyone has something applicable to expand the section and refute its one-sided approach, please feel free! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.139.85.146 ( talk) 13:19, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
There is a rarely discussed concept in society, where fear of the "other" (african/asian/mongol), is used as an impetus chaser/driver to strangely deform/enforce deals via " off the books", implied, & " word of mouth" adjuncts to that deal. Does anyone have some sources about this to add to any relevant section of the article? See Taboo; unspoken rule; Zwarte Piet; " Deal with the Devil"; " Blood oath"; Deadline; Penalty (Mormonism); cuckold; white slavery ( Cariye); Fear of a Black Planet; Behind the green door; Mongol horde ( Orda; Band society); silk Road transmission of art; Steppe Route. Text mdnp ( talk) 19:41, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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In the section "Social and Behavioural Sciences", after the currently existing sentence: "Thus, racist thoughts and actions can arise from stereotypes and fears of which we are not aware.":
I would like to request you to kindly add this sentence:
For example, scientists and activists have warned that the use of the stereotype "Nigerian Prince" for referring to advance-fee scammers is racist, i.e. "reducing Nigeria to a nation of scammers and fraudulent princes, as some people still do online, is a stereotype that needs to be called out". [1]
Here is the reference:
https://doi.org/10.1080/02533952.2020.1813943 that should be cited at the end of the new sentence.
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The effect of racism from past historical periods on our lives and daily experiences today
Due to the history of European colonialism, imperialism, and environmental destruction, it is more important than ever to explore how racism shapes many, many domains of our everyday lives. Racism in this case is defined primarily in terms of the dimensions of white supremacy. For instance, oppressed minority groups who are critical of their own race or who are critical of other oppressed minority races may be experiencing the harmful effects of internalized racial subordination or internalized whitewashing. On the other hand, white people who seek to distinguish themselves as somehow superior to or better than oppressed minority races are actively weilding their white privilege as a source of pride. In this instance of racial minorities criticizing and looking down upon other racial minorities while praising and admiring whites, and in the other instance of whites criticizing, demeaning, and claiming superiority over racial minorities for any reason, we see the two primary manifestations of white supremacy in our society today. Whether we are conscious of it or not, we experience, participate in, or confront the legacy of racism in our families, friendships, everyday relationships, home lives, leisure activities, workplaces, employment opportunities, housing opportunities, health outcomes, wealth ownership, earnings and income, insurance marketplaces, life expectancy outcomes, disparate access to medical care and healthcare, experiences with pollution and environmental degradation, encounters with the criminal justice system, enjoyment of outdoor recreation, experiences in public education, infrastructure and transportation systems, movies, television shows, history, and politics; but we only realize the pervasiveness of racism in all of these domains of public and private life if we allow ourselves to fully explore how individuals of different races would experience these significant aspects of the human discussion from an intersectional perspective. Critical race theory offers such an intersectional theoretical framework. 173.70.232.128 ( talk) 00:34, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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The second paragraph states that most anthropologists, scientists, and biologists reject a taxonomy of races. There are newer sources for that to add, [1] and it is only partially true.
It is partially true, because from the data we can see, studies referring to Eastern Europeans and Asians have shown the opposite. So the results should include that they are according to "Western" scientists. [2] [3]
As for the second sentence, "As of 2005, human genome research indicates that race is not a meaningful genetic classification of humans.", do we use this kind of data for other animals in determining if they are subspecies? It seems the distinction of "race," is close to "subspecies," and if we use similar classifications for subspecies based on phenotypes (or if we go the route of Lewontin and use the fixation index), either way, humans would be different subspecies. Humans are more heterozygous than other subspecies, and even than some other species that are polytypic.. [4] The divergence of racial groups in time also surpasses various subspecies such as some birds and lizards (time being the primary reason why dog breeds are not considered subspecies (their variance due to their phenotypical plasticity and artificial selection)). Weagesdf ( talk) 18:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
if we were to use the same criteria that we do for the taxonomy o fother mammals, we could easily separate humans into subspecies.This is false. But I am not going to debate it with you further. Best wishes, Generalrelative ( talk) 19:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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This new definition of racism is an ideological device to push a political persepctive. It should not be merged with the dictionary definition of racism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.238.170 ( talk) 03:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
The article is a stub and has more weight on the criticism than relaying the intended use of the definition in academia. It feels a little unnecessary. Compared to other articles on the topic, this one is wanting. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 19:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I suggest removing this phrase because there is no citation supporting that somebody is confusing these terms (and as far as I see - nobody does). Moreover, the term "Rashism" is highly politically controversial right now and should not be included in well-established articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.169.95 ( talk) 08:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIZDtqWX6Fk Can use a video as a source, but the Portugal person that I don't know how to spell is mentioned along with the Portugal King in 1450s. The speaker mentions the name of the researcher also. It's at time mark 9m20s. Thanks, Marasama ( talk) 02:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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The definition of racism in the introduction is limited mostly to chauvinism with regard to "races", which is indeed one crucial characteristic of racism. Some racists, however, extend the concept to the point that groups of different geographical origin must be segregated, especially to prevent mixing of the "races". The definition should absolutely mention this and cite the terminology for these sub-concepts. My proposal for reformulation:
(Any other wording making the same point is also okay. I am a non-native speaker of English and not fully aware of stylistic subtleties.) -- HV ( talk) 10:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC) HV ( talk) 10:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
some racists extend...) requires new citations or is already supported by existing ones. To be clear - I'm not necessarily opposed to, or rejecting this proposal; it's just really difficult to evaluate right now.
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In the Racism as a modern phenomenon section, a sentence should be added about Martin Luthers racism against the Jews influencing later Nazi racism. [1] Rote1234 ( talk) 01:09, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
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Although antisemitism has a long history, related to Christianity and native Egyptian or Greek religions[140] (anti-Judaism), racism itself is sometimes described as a modern phenomenon. I come from "scientific racism" Wikiedia page to investigate this further. I have noticed some weird tendencies on Wikipedia to frame christianity racist. Christianity has been used to serve many different ends, indeed. But it should be dealt with professionally. The sentence could instead begin like this "Although etnocentrism has a long history, ...". Why is christianity highlighted? Why is antisemitism equated to racism? And which are those native Egyptian or Greek religions? Well, there is no point of the linking phrase "although ..." in this paragraph, and it has has no relevance to "Racism as a modern phenomenon". Short it down — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.225.188.129 ( talk) 14:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Why is antisemitism equated to racism?that's easy to read as a red flag. VQuakr ( talk) 21:43, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
The whole section has developped over time into a mess. In 2016, part of our section read, "This discourse, which first appeared in Great Britain, was then carried on in France by people such as Boulainvilliers, Nicolas Fréret, and then, during the 1789 French Revolution, Sieyès, and afterward Augustin Thierry and Cournot. Boulainvilliers, which created the matrix of such racist discourse in medieval France, conceived the "race" as something closer to the sense of "nation", that is, in his times, the "people"." [2]. "This discourse" was a reference to Foucault's "discourse of race struggle". Now we have "This European analysis" and nobody knows what the demonstrative pronoun refers to. The mention of anti-Judaism seems to be WP:SYNTH. I'll try a bit of repair work. Rsk6400 ( talk) 07:28, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
I am genuinely curious about the topic and definition of racism (stating this because I see and understand this page is controversial). The lede of this page cites very few sources, the first coming at the bottom of the second paragraph. Other wikipedia pages cite sources after most sentences in the General section. I think this should be reviewed and sources cited, especially considering the finality of statements made in the first two paragraphs. There are multiple vague sources: "in contemporary social science," "often used in a sense," "often used to describe." For those trying to learn about the definition of racism and how/if it has evolved over time, this lede is insufficient. Nebo294 ( talk) 03:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
In this comment from May 2020, it was explained that the change made in this January 2020 edit created an objectionable lede.
As I see it, the objectionable aspect of the lede is that racism is presented as something that at least had a seemingly rational basis. But the objection is not that issue, it is that this is the lede. This should be the thrust of what we mean when we speak about racism today, and my impression is when we use the word racism, we're generally referring to the practice of discrimination against certain groups based on their race.
Notwithstanding the subsequent addition of text in the edit request of 5 August 2022, the lede is still objectionable. The only real justification presented for leaving the lede as it that was given was "we go by what reliable sources say about a topic.". But I'm pretty sure there are numerous reliable sources that say something different, perhaps more akin to what this was prior to the January 2020 edit. Here are a few examples:
Actually, though, some of the pre-existing lede sentences strike me as pretty much okay, such as the lede sentence in the edit of 5 December 2016.
Additionally, I'm not sure we're exactly bound (e.g. in the lede) to have a source with a verbatim definition. Is it really a violation of WP:SYNTH to pull information from multiple sources in the description provided in the lede (not that I really want to get sidetracked by such "deep-thought" questions)?
Please speak up if you feel the current lede is problematic (or for that matter, speak up in support of the current lede). IMO/FWIW, the progress of this article (at least in respect of the lede) seems to have been generally downhill over the last several years, and arguably provides some fairly decent support for the theory of Wikipedia actually being in a general state of decline. Fabrickator ( talk) 09:44, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity. Racism can be present in social actions, practices, or political systems (e.g., apartheid) that support the expression of prejudice or aversion in discriminatory practices. The ideology undRacism is erlying racist practices often includes the idea that humans can be subdivided into distinct groups that are different in their social behavior and innate capacities and that can be ranked as inferior or superior. Racist ideology can become manifest in many aspects of social life. Associated social actions may include nativism, xenophobia, otherness, segregation, hierarchical ranking, supremacism, and related social phenomena.
First sentence states "Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity" with a link on "race or ethnicity" going to the "Race" page. But what about "Ethnicity"? There is a page for it too. And as far as I know there ain't the same thing. 79.153.44.152 ( talk) 09:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Is this consensus? It doesn't seem clear that racial discrimination didn't exist before the Modern Period. Take antisemitism, for instance, which has existed since antiquity. Because if "racism" doesn't encompass racial discrimination before the modern period, this article must reflect that, in mentioning discrimination of ethnicities throughout history. It seems absurd - the idea that racism is a "modern" concept. Zilch-nada ( talk) 10:57, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
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Change "beliefs, actions, movements, and policies" in section "Anti-racism" to " scholarship, beliefs, actions, movements, and policies" Coolcooper01 ( talk) 18:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I invite Quindraco to discuss their preferred text here rather than edit warring. Thanks, Generalrelative ( talk) 04:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)