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The result of the move request was: Moved Sceptre ( talk) 19:37, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Rebecca Quinn (soccer) → Quinn (soccer) – Quinn recently came out as transgender, and announced on their twitter, @thequinny5, that they no longer use the first name of "Rebecca." This change would reflect that. I have updated the page content as well but am not autoconfirmed to be able to make this change myself. 2600:1700:9930:7CA0:F04F:963E:314C:412C ( talk) 16:18, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Naming convention guidelines are clear, so being bold and moving. ( non-admin closure) POLITANVM talk 14:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Quinn (Association football player) → Quinn (soccer) – Seeking consensus to undo a move done without consensus or an edit summary. It is standard practice for North American soccer players to be titled as "John Smith (soccer)" just as much as "John Smith (basketball)" or "John Smith (American football)". The fact that these people are not literal balls does not come into it. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 14:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Realizing that I didn't follow the process at non-admin closure for requested moves, I'd like to clarify why I closed the requested move without discussion. It appeared to be an uncontroversial request that shouldn't have been a move request in the first place, since:
Nonetheless, I acknowledge that:
I do believe I followed the spirit of WP:RM, but I'll re-open the move discussion if anyone feels this was a controversial close. POLITANVM talk 17:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
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Remove - Birth name Rebecca Catherine Quinn[2] from article. Because Quinn is trans they don't deserve everyone knowing their birth name and it’s blatantly offensive to do so. I would request you do the same to every trans persons article. I request this as a non binary person myself. A birth name isn’t important and needs to be removed. 2600:1700:FF80:F580:500C:DE1E:28D6:56EC ( talk) 01:24, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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I think that this bio should not include the name they were assigned at birth. 2600:1700:DDD0:4610:0:0:0:43 ( talk) 05:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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@ FormalDude: - if you look at the advisories at the top of this talk page, it clearly states "This article should adhere to the identity guideline because it contains material about one or more transgender people. Main biographical articles should give precedence to self-designation as reported in the most up-to-date reliable sources." Per their declaration here, dead name should definitely not be in the lead. Hmlarson ( talk) 16:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Comment - I see a lot of confusion in this Talk section. MOS:DEADNAME specifies that the former names BLPs used while Notable are to be included in the lead sentence. In this case (as in the DEADNAME example, Elliot Page), the Notable former name is not the full birth name, which is therefore not included. Also, since the full birth name is not included in the article, it is therefore not to be included in the infobox, either. After some glitches, I did finally manage to edit the article to follow MOS:DEADNAME. Newimpartial ( talk) 17:03, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
I believe the inclusion of Quinn's sex assigned at birth is an important aspect to the article, and that it does not go against MOS:NB. Refer to this edit: [1]. I believe this edit should be restored. Aeonx ( talk) 23:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
A living transgender or non-binary person's former name should be included in the lead sentence of their main biographical article only if they were notable under it.
Since they were assigned female at birth, they remain eligible to play on the women’s soccer team.
As discussed at length by others above, Quinn was notable under their previous first name. But in regards to their previous middle name, I cannot find any evidence of notability or relevance, such as news articles that used it ( Google News search results for full former name prior to 2020). Even if it appeared in previous FIFA guides (as referenced), the guidelines at MOS:NB suggest their former middle name is not otherwise necessary and should be omitted. The approach taken for the article on Elliot Page ("formerly [previous first name] [last name]" in the lede and omitting their name at birth from the infobox) seems more pertinent here. — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 16:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
everyone else on Wikipedia has their full names listed whether their full names are widely known or not. In the case of nonbinary and trans people, only notable former names are included in WP articles. MOS:DEADNAME currently requires that
all transgender people formerly well-known under another name which is therefore listedare listed only by the notable name, and not by the birth name. Newimpartial ( talk) 16:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
From Chelsea Manning, notable under prior name: Chelsea Elizabeth Manning (born Bradley Edward Manning; December 17, 1987) ...So, no, this is not true at all. Manning was never commonly known as Bradley Edward Manning, but the former full name is still listed in the article and mandated by DEADNAME. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 11:44, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
From Elliot Page, notable under prior name: Elliot Page (formerly Ellen Page; born February 21, 1987) .... So while things are less standardized than I suggested in my last comment, and older entries are sometimes difficult to change to match emerging norms, your prior statement that
everyone else on Wikipedia has their full names listed whether their full names are widely knownis still demonstrably wrong, unless my
everyone elseyou meant all people who are not trans or nonbinary - in which case it was merely irrelevant. Newimpartial ( talk) 12:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
basis in commom senseto that, but common sense it is, and with WP practice to back it up. And if you don't grasp on a gut level the difference between a widely-consulted site publishing your Notable professional name and the same site publishing your legal name at birth, perhaps you so not understand Deadnaming (and WP:BLPPRIVACY) as well as you think you do. Much as you might be inclined to whinge, WP policy has (since prior to 2015) recognized the trans and nonbinary
particular groupas requiring distinct treatment in the encyclopaedia; the community does not see this as
special pleading, even though you clearly do. Newimpartial ( talk) 13:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
exactly why consistency should ... be adhered towith the Manning example in DEADNAME rather than the Page example. YOULIKEIT seems to be implied here. Newimpartial ( talk) 13:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi @ Hmlarson, are the books in the Further reading section about Quinn or just about LGBT people in athletics and soccer? I haven’t read them, but my understanding of Wikipedia:Further reading is that they should directly cover the article’s subject. I would guess they’re mentioned in the recent ones, but one of the books is dated 2012. POLITANVM talk 19:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
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Created/expanded by Hmlarson ( talk). Self-nominated at 16:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC).
I just reverted removal of "transgender" as the reason for Quinn's inclusion on List of legally mononymous people, which also includes their former name.
This is subject to the biographies of living people privacy policy, eg if Quinn requests it to be removed, and as discussed above.
Admins: if this information is removed from this page per WP:BLPPRIVACY / WP:RFO, please remove and salt the trans status and former name, as applicable, from the mononymy list also (and if not, not). Inclusion on the list is based on info in this article.
@ Sceptre, FormalDude, Aeonx, IronGargoyle, Newimpartial, Politanvm, and Tamzin: (courtesy ping).
Have also sent this to RFO team for review. Sai ¿? ✍ 10:23, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Newimpartial: Quinn's birth name is in the current article, as is their trans status being the reason for the name change; therefore those parts are in the list as well.
However, their birth middle name is no longer in the article, so I have removed that part from the list, to match.
I note that having a reliable source is not sufficient to prove that a potentially private detail is of enough public interest to overcome the identified person's privacy preferences. My email to Quinn included information on how to tell Oversight about their preferences in this regard; they'll decide it.
I said at the outset that the list should have the same details as are on the page, including after any privacy redaction.
Also just FYI: I am non-binary and mononymous, and have had my birth name redacted from WP. I support Quinn having their birth name removed from WP if they want it to be.
Their ASAB is probably difficult to remove, given that their primary notability is from being on a gendered Olympic team. Neither of those are my decisions to make, though. Sai ¿? ✍ 15:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
birthname is not in this article; what is in the article is their notable former name, which excludes the middle name.
I have seen that in several instances, the wrong pronouns have been used. Quinn uses they/them pronouns and in several instances, there is she/her used. Especially under the personal life where it states about how important they think addressing people by the correct name and pronouns is important. Sage0Ashes ( talk) 08:58, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
It's interesting that Google has been omitting "born" and "formerly" altogether. Hmlarson ( talk) 05:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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She is referred to as ‘their/they’ instead of ‘she/her’. 129.18.193.147 ( talk) 21:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SkyWarrior 17:55, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Quinn (soccer) → Quinn (soccer player) – The current disamb parenthesis make it seem like they are a concept or term related to football, rather than a person and player. Especially their mononymous name makes it more unclear. Much like we don't title this article " Teller (magic)" and this article " Shroud (game)", we should make this parenthesis clearer too. Gaioa ( T C L) 12:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC) Gaioa ( T C L) 12:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
If the person is American, Australian, Canadian, or South African, use (soccer); thus, it is also WP:CONCISE. Anyone who happened to randomly end up on the page without any prior knowledge about this Quinn will read the lead sentence. Another mononymous example is Tatu (soccer).— Bagumba ( talk) 13:24, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I believe that it is harmful and not helpful to include their deadname on their page (first name before transitioning). 97.126.8.237 ( talk) 02:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I agree. Unfortunately, edits are locked, but this should 100% be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.0.193.204 ( talk) 16:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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"Quinn was assigned female at birth but after many years of questioning themselves, realised their own gender identity did not match their sex." - this is an important part of their journey and should be mentioned. From: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54233946#:~:text=Quinn%20was%20assigned%20female%20at,did%20not%20match%20their%20sex. Bondonk ( talk) 12:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Under Personal life, please can someone change it from this:
In 2023, Quinn became the first trans or non-binary footballer at the FIFA World Cup.
to this:
In 2023, Quinn became the first out transgender or non-binary footballer at the FIFA World Cup.
Rationale: There's no way in the wide butch history of sport that Quinn is the first trans or non-binary footballer. Not to undermine their courgeous achievement, but they are only the first one to come out publicly and ask to be recognised for who they truly are. Gender diversity is not new. Even the citation to which this sentence links has the headline "Quinn: The 'ground-breaking' first out transgender player at a Fifa World Cup", and it does not make the claim that Quinn is the first trans player period. (emphasis added) CreekMagic ( talk) 00:20, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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Remove Quinn’s deadname. Murphyklh ( talk) 05:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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A fact from Quinn (soccer) appeared on Wikipedia's
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The result of the move request was: Moved Sceptre ( talk) 19:37, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Rebecca Quinn (soccer) → Quinn (soccer) – Quinn recently came out as transgender, and announced on their twitter, @thequinny5, that they no longer use the first name of "Rebecca." This change would reflect that. I have updated the page content as well but am not autoconfirmed to be able to make this change myself. 2600:1700:9930:7CA0:F04F:963E:314C:412C ( talk) 16:18, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Naming convention guidelines are clear, so being bold and moving. ( non-admin closure) POLITANVM talk 14:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Quinn (Association football player) → Quinn (soccer) – Seeking consensus to undo a move done without consensus or an edit summary. It is standard practice for North American soccer players to be titled as "John Smith (soccer)" just as much as "John Smith (basketball)" or "John Smith (American football)". The fact that these people are not literal balls does not come into it. Unknown Temptation ( talk) 14:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Realizing that I didn't follow the process at non-admin closure for requested moves, I'd like to clarify why I closed the requested move without discussion. It appeared to be an uncontroversial request that shouldn't have been a move request in the first place, since:
Nonetheless, I acknowledge that:
I do believe I followed the spirit of WP:RM, but I'll re-open the move discussion if anyone feels this was a controversial close. POLITANVM talk 17:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
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Remove - Birth name Rebecca Catherine Quinn[2] from article. Because Quinn is trans they don't deserve everyone knowing their birth name and it’s blatantly offensive to do so. I would request you do the same to every trans persons article. I request this as a non binary person myself. A birth name isn’t important and needs to be removed. 2600:1700:FF80:F580:500C:DE1E:28D6:56EC ( talk) 01:24, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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I think that this bio should not include the name they were assigned at birth. 2600:1700:DDD0:4610:0:0:0:43 ( talk) 05:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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@ FormalDude: - if you look at the advisories at the top of this talk page, it clearly states "This article should adhere to the identity guideline because it contains material about one or more transgender people. Main biographical articles should give precedence to self-designation as reported in the most up-to-date reliable sources." Per their declaration here, dead name should definitely not be in the lead. Hmlarson ( talk) 16:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Comment - I see a lot of confusion in this Talk section. MOS:DEADNAME specifies that the former names BLPs used while Notable are to be included in the lead sentence. In this case (as in the DEADNAME example, Elliot Page), the Notable former name is not the full birth name, which is therefore not included. Also, since the full birth name is not included in the article, it is therefore not to be included in the infobox, either. After some glitches, I did finally manage to edit the article to follow MOS:DEADNAME. Newimpartial ( talk) 17:03, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
I believe the inclusion of Quinn's sex assigned at birth is an important aspect to the article, and that it does not go against MOS:NB. Refer to this edit: [1]. I believe this edit should be restored. Aeonx ( talk) 23:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
A living transgender or non-binary person's former name should be included in the lead sentence of their main biographical article only if they were notable under it.
Since they were assigned female at birth, they remain eligible to play on the women’s soccer team.
As discussed at length by others above, Quinn was notable under their previous first name. But in regards to their previous middle name, I cannot find any evidence of notability or relevance, such as news articles that used it ( Google News search results for full former name prior to 2020). Even if it appeared in previous FIFA guides (as referenced), the guidelines at MOS:NB suggest their former middle name is not otherwise necessary and should be omitted. The approach taken for the article on Elliot Page ("formerly [previous first name] [last name]" in the lede and omitting their name at birth from the infobox) seems more pertinent here. — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 16:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
everyone else on Wikipedia has their full names listed whether their full names are widely known or not. In the case of nonbinary and trans people, only notable former names are included in WP articles. MOS:DEADNAME currently requires that
all transgender people formerly well-known under another name which is therefore listedare listed only by the notable name, and not by the birth name. Newimpartial ( talk) 16:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
From Chelsea Manning, notable under prior name: Chelsea Elizabeth Manning (born Bradley Edward Manning; December 17, 1987) ...So, no, this is not true at all. Manning was never commonly known as Bradley Edward Manning, but the former full name is still listed in the article and mandated by DEADNAME. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 11:44, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
From Elliot Page, notable under prior name: Elliot Page (formerly Ellen Page; born February 21, 1987) .... So while things are less standardized than I suggested in my last comment, and older entries are sometimes difficult to change to match emerging norms, your prior statement that
everyone else on Wikipedia has their full names listed whether their full names are widely knownis still demonstrably wrong, unless my
everyone elseyou meant all people who are not trans or nonbinary - in which case it was merely irrelevant. Newimpartial ( talk) 12:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
basis in commom senseto that, but common sense it is, and with WP practice to back it up. And if you don't grasp on a gut level the difference between a widely-consulted site publishing your Notable professional name and the same site publishing your legal name at birth, perhaps you so not understand Deadnaming (and WP:BLPPRIVACY) as well as you think you do. Much as you might be inclined to whinge, WP policy has (since prior to 2015) recognized the trans and nonbinary
particular groupas requiring distinct treatment in the encyclopaedia; the community does not see this as
special pleading, even though you clearly do. Newimpartial ( talk) 13:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
exactly why consistency should ... be adhered towith the Manning example in DEADNAME rather than the Page example. YOULIKEIT seems to be implied here. Newimpartial ( talk) 13:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi @ Hmlarson, are the books in the Further reading section about Quinn or just about LGBT people in athletics and soccer? I haven’t read them, but my understanding of Wikipedia:Further reading is that they should directly cover the article’s subject. I would guess they’re mentioned in the recent ones, but one of the books is dated 2012. POLITANVM talk 19:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Theleekycauldron (
talk) 17:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Created/expanded by Hmlarson ( talk). Self-nominated at 16:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC).
I just reverted removal of "transgender" as the reason for Quinn's inclusion on List of legally mononymous people, which also includes their former name.
This is subject to the biographies of living people privacy policy, eg if Quinn requests it to be removed, and as discussed above.
Admins: if this information is removed from this page per WP:BLPPRIVACY / WP:RFO, please remove and salt the trans status and former name, as applicable, from the mononymy list also (and if not, not). Inclusion on the list is based on info in this article.
@ Sceptre, FormalDude, Aeonx, IronGargoyle, Newimpartial, Politanvm, and Tamzin: (courtesy ping).
Have also sent this to RFO team for review. Sai ¿? ✍ 10:23, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Newimpartial: Quinn's birth name is in the current article, as is their trans status being the reason for the name change; therefore those parts are in the list as well.
However, their birth middle name is no longer in the article, so I have removed that part from the list, to match.
I note that having a reliable source is not sufficient to prove that a potentially private detail is of enough public interest to overcome the identified person's privacy preferences. My email to Quinn included information on how to tell Oversight about their preferences in this regard; they'll decide it.
I said at the outset that the list should have the same details as are on the page, including after any privacy redaction.
Also just FYI: I am non-binary and mononymous, and have had my birth name redacted from WP. I support Quinn having their birth name removed from WP if they want it to be.
Their ASAB is probably difficult to remove, given that their primary notability is from being on a gendered Olympic team. Neither of those are my decisions to make, though. Sai ¿? ✍ 15:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
birthname is not in this article; what is in the article is their notable former name, which excludes the middle name.
I have seen that in several instances, the wrong pronouns have been used. Quinn uses they/them pronouns and in several instances, there is she/her used. Especially under the personal life where it states about how important they think addressing people by the correct name and pronouns is important. Sage0Ashes ( talk) 08:58, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
It's interesting that Google has been omitting "born" and "formerly" altogether. Hmlarson ( talk) 05:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
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She is referred to as ‘their/they’ instead of ‘she/her’. 129.18.193.147 ( talk) 21:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SkyWarrior 17:55, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Quinn (soccer) → Quinn (soccer player) – The current disamb parenthesis make it seem like they are a concept or term related to football, rather than a person and player. Especially their mononymous name makes it more unclear. Much like we don't title this article " Teller (magic)" and this article " Shroud (game)", we should make this parenthesis clearer too. Gaioa ( T C L) 12:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC) Gaioa ( T C L) 12:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
If the person is American, Australian, Canadian, or South African, use (soccer); thus, it is also WP:CONCISE. Anyone who happened to randomly end up on the page without any prior knowledge about this Quinn will read the lead sentence. Another mononymous example is Tatu (soccer).— Bagumba ( talk) 13:24, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I believe that it is harmful and not helpful to include their deadname on their page (first name before transitioning). 97.126.8.237 ( talk) 02:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I agree. Unfortunately, edits are locked, but this should 100% be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.0.193.204 ( talk) 16:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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"Quinn was assigned female at birth but after many years of questioning themselves, realised their own gender identity did not match their sex." - this is an important part of their journey and should be mentioned. From: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54233946#:~:text=Quinn%20was%20assigned%20female%20at,did%20not%20match%20their%20sex. Bondonk ( talk) 12:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Under Personal life, please can someone change it from this:
In 2023, Quinn became the first trans or non-binary footballer at the FIFA World Cup.
to this:
In 2023, Quinn became the first out transgender or non-binary footballer at the FIFA World Cup.
Rationale: There's no way in the wide butch history of sport that Quinn is the first trans or non-binary footballer. Not to undermine their courgeous achievement, but they are only the first one to come out publicly and ask to be recognised for who they truly are. Gender diversity is not new. Even the citation to which this sentence links has the headline "Quinn: The 'ground-breaking' first out transgender player at a Fifa World Cup", and it does not make the claim that Quinn is the first trans player period. (emphasis added) CreekMagic ( talk) 00:20, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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Remove Quinn’s deadname. Murphyklh ( talk) 05:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)