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I just wondered if this article and
Principality of Pskov is duplicate articles about the same state. Seems to me the two pages should be merged. -
GabaG (
talk) 18:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Final years
The ties with the
Grand Duchy of Moscow became stronger in the final years of 14th century, after Pskov's participation in the
Battle of Kulikovo in 1380. Since 1399 Pskov with its adjacent lands became a
viceroyalty of Moscow with their own
namestnik (viceroy)
knyaz appointed by the Moscow's royalty.
Since the 15th century, several princes of the
Gediminid line were prominent there too, holding high positions such as governorship (Ikonnikov, 1934). Their surnames included
Golitsin,
Kurakin and
Khovansky.
I have removed this for the following reasons:
The events leading to Moscow's domination in the late 14th century are not directly related to the fall - chronologically they are closer to the establishment of Pskov as a separate entity
The 1399 date is on much firmer ground but again the details are not completely right (at first knyaz was chosen by Pskovians and only later appointed by Moscow). There is no way to check it as there are no references.
The relevance of the presence of Gediminid princes is not obvious. Even though there were several Lithuanian (or rather west-Russian) -origin princes/viceroys they were still appointed by Moscow. Also their names do not match (I see one
Czartoryski in the
list of Pskov princes) and the source cannot be found.
Happy to discuss how this can still be incorporated in the article.
Alaexis¿question? 21:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
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I just wondered if this article and
Principality of Pskov is duplicate articles about the same state. Seems to me the two pages should be merged. -
GabaG (
talk) 18:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Final years
The ties with the
Grand Duchy of Moscow became stronger in the final years of 14th century, after Pskov's participation in the
Battle of Kulikovo in 1380. Since 1399 Pskov with its adjacent lands became a
viceroyalty of Moscow with their own
namestnik (viceroy)
knyaz appointed by the Moscow's royalty.
Since the 15th century, several princes of the
Gediminid line were prominent there too, holding high positions such as governorship (Ikonnikov, 1934). Their surnames included
Golitsin,
Kurakin and
Khovansky.
I have removed this for the following reasons:
The events leading to Moscow's domination in the late 14th century are not directly related to the fall - chronologically they are closer to the establishment of Pskov as a separate entity
The 1399 date is on much firmer ground but again the details are not completely right (at first knyaz was chosen by Pskovians and only later appointed by Moscow). There is no way to check it as there are no references.
The relevance of the presence of Gediminid princes is not obvious. Even though there were several Lithuanian (or rather west-Russian) -origin princes/viceroys they were still appointed by Moscow. Also their names do not match (I see one
Czartoryski in the
list of Pskov princes) and the source cannot be found.
Happy to discuss how this can still be incorporated in the article.
Alaexis¿question? 21:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply