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I am unable to cite any specific book, website or article for any of my additions. All is from personal experiance in theatre for the past 25 years or so only. Anyone wishing to add citations....PLEASE DO! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amadscientist ( talk • contribs) 29 March 2007
How do we go about removing the "missing citations" note at the top of the page. It is no longer relevant and makes this page seem lame, which it is not.
It appears that there are several different types of Theatrical props being discussed here and it may need some sort of separation as much information has been added refers to film and television which differs greatly from theatre.-- Amadscientist 04:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah.....I have to agree. Unfortunately there is now way to make different pages and there have been other names for this page as well a merge I believe. It would be appropriate, however to seperate theatre and film props into seperate catagories on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.62.180.166 ( talk) 07:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm gonna go out on a limb a say....there may be a separation as far as usage but not term. A theatrical property is still used in film and may be refered to as a film prop...but a film prop could be the real thing while a theatrical prop implys that is for a "theatrical" purpose. I think we should attempt to define those definitions on the article.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 11:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I third the idea for keeping all usage of props in the same article. There is fundamentally no difference between film, theatre, or television props. You can even add in props for photo shoots, speeches, dance, etc. Theatre props can very easily be the real thing; likewise, film props can be crappily and hastily constructed. What this article should focus on is that a prop is an object, seen by the audience, which belongs to someone, iow, an actor's "property." It is a real, physical object which is differentiated from a costume and/or scenery. This article may discuss common differences between theatre and film props (if there are any), but it should be clear that the usage of the word is the same regardless of what medium a prop appears in. Eqqman ( talk) 19:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I recently stumbled upon the frequent use of the term "hero" prop (notably from the upcoming auctioning of Battlestar Gallactica props, and then also elsewhere while trying to figure out what exactly it means). Apparently everyone in the movie business knows exactly what "hero props" are, but I am astonished that it is not even mentioned here, or at the Hero disambiguation page, or elsewhere in Wikipedia or Wiktionary. In any case, apparently hero props are authentic, highly detailed props that are handled and used by film actors, and frequently used for closeup shots, production stills, and other situations where the deep details are needed for a credible appearance, particularly in high definition productions. This would be as opposed to cheapr, more casual, less detailed props and equipment that gets used perhaps in longer shots, and used by extras and doubles in action scenes. Anyway I am not an expert in this sort of theatrical thing, and do not want to be accused of posting unverifiable original research or something. Frankly I am not even sure what would constitute a reliable source for this sort of thing. I just know that hero props as a concept exists, and that we need to cover it somehow, assuming it is not already covered somewhere and I simply failed to find it. Would like some consensus from some theater, film production, and props experts on how to deal with this matter, before I go blundering in and be declared "wrong" about it. I think we either need to create a new article called "Hero props", or add a new section here in Theatrical property, or add an short descriptive entry on the Hero disambig page, and create a redirect page to the appropriate holder for the string "Hero props", assuming a new article is not created. Thanks! -- T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 14:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
To many editors not reading this entire article before adding information already in place. This article is need of a drastic clean up.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 11:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
"A prop weapon (such as a stage gun or a stage sword) that reads well but..." The word "read" there is either a typo, or an extremely arcane usage (jargon?) that most readers won't have seen before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.138.16 ( talk) 04:44, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Movie prop redirects here, and the article discusses it as well, so this is not just "theatrical property". Any suggestions for a new name? How about prop (film and theatre)? Trying to squeeze TV there may be too much... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
The info presented here on "prop guns" is mostly gibberish. There should be a differentiation between firearms (real guns, which is what most movies use), props (i.e. rubber rifles used for stunt work), and BFONGs (the legal term for a blank firing only non gun). 174.0.48.147 ( talk) 17:35, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Prop. Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Prop to become dab page. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 11:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Theatrical property → Prop (stage) – WP:COMMONNAME, everyone calls it a prop. 150.250.5.20 ( talk) 00:08, 25 October 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Theatrical property →
Prop (acting) –
WP:COMMONNAME, everyone calls it a prop.
150.250.5.20 (
talk)
00:44, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
*Move to 'Prop (theatrical)' not every scene using props has actors.
SaltySaltyTears (
talk)
01:48, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
First, in the Prop#Collecting paragraph, it is stated that "In recent years, the increasing popularity of movie memorabilia has elevated many props to the status of prized collectors items." - which recent years? How can this be rephrased to make more sense long-term, without saying something equally strange like "from the 2000s onwards", as this cultural shift was gradual and not something that can be pinpointed in time so simply. Might "in recent decades" be better given that one of the citations [1] [2] at the end of the paragraph is from 2006 while the other is from 2017?
Secondly, the term "prop" has become ubiquitous in video games, both amongst developers [3] [4] [5] and players [6] [7] [8], most notably through the "prop hunt" gamemode present in several video games, as covered in the Wikipedia article Garry's_Mod#Prop_Hunt. I am unsure how this can/should be worked into this article, or if it should be at all. Might it be better to create a Prop (Video Games) article, or work a paragraph into this article somewhere, and if so, where? WindowEnthuziast557 ( talk) 19:28, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
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I am unable to cite any specific book, website or article for any of my additions. All is from personal experiance in theatre for the past 25 years or so only. Anyone wishing to add citations....PLEASE DO! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amadscientist ( talk • contribs) 29 March 2007
How do we go about removing the "missing citations" note at the top of the page. It is no longer relevant and makes this page seem lame, which it is not.
It appears that there are several different types of Theatrical props being discussed here and it may need some sort of separation as much information has been added refers to film and television which differs greatly from theatre.-- Amadscientist 04:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah.....I have to agree. Unfortunately there is now way to make different pages and there have been other names for this page as well a merge I believe. It would be appropriate, however to seperate theatre and film props into seperate catagories on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.62.180.166 ( talk) 07:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm gonna go out on a limb a say....there may be a separation as far as usage but not term. A theatrical property is still used in film and may be refered to as a film prop...but a film prop could be the real thing while a theatrical prop implys that is for a "theatrical" purpose. I think we should attempt to define those definitions on the article.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 11:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I third the idea for keeping all usage of props in the same article. There is fundamentally no difference between film, theatre, or television props. You can even add in props for photo shoots, speeches, dance, etc. Theatre props can very easily be the real thing; likewise, film props can be crappily and hastily constructed. What this article should focus on is that a prop is an object, seen by the audience, which belongs to someone, iow, an actor's "property." It is a real, physical object which is differentiated from a costume and/or scenery. This article may discuss common differences between theatre and film props (if there are any), but it should be clear that the usage of the word is the same regardless of what medium a prop appears in. Eqqman ( talk) 19:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I recently stumbled upon the frequent use of the term "hero" prop (notably from the upcoming auctioning of Battlestar Gallactica props, and then also elsewhere while trying to figure out what exactly it means). Apparently everyone in the movie business knows exactly what "hero props" are, but I am astonished that it is not even mentioned here, or at the Hero disambiguation page, or elsewhere in Wikipedia or Wiktionary. In any case, apparently hero props are authentic, highly detailed props that are handled and used by film actors, and frequently used for closeup shots, production stills, and other situations where the deep details are needed for a credible appearance, particularly in high definition productions. This would be as opposed to cheapr, more casual, less detailed props and equipment that gets used perhaps in longer shots, and used by extras and doubles in action scenes. Anyway I am not an expert in this sort of theatrical thing, and do not want to be accused of posting unverifiable original research or something. Frankly I am not even sure what would constitute a reliable source for this sort of thing. I just know that hero props as a concept exists, and that we need to cover it somehow, assuming it is not already covered somewhere and I simply failed to find it. Would like some consensus from some theater, film production, and props experts on how to deal with this matter, before I go blundering in and be declared "wrong" about it. I think we either need to create a new article called "Hero props", or add a new section here in Theatrical property, or add an short descriptive entry on the Hero disambig page, and create a redirect page to the appropriate holder for the string "Hero props", assuming a new article is not created. Thanks! -- T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 14:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
To many editors not reading this entire article before adding information already in place. This article is need of a drastic clean up.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 11:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
"A prop weapon (such as a stage gun or a stage sword) that reads well but..." The word "read" there is either a typo, or an extremely arcane usage (jargon?) that most readers won't have seen before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.138.16 ( talk) 04:44, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Movie prop redirects here, and the article discusses it as well, so this is not just "theatrical property". Any suggestions for a new name? How about prop (film and theatre)? Trying to squeeze TV there may be too much... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
The info presented here on "prop guns" is mostly gibberish. There should be a differentiation between firearms (real guns, which is what most movies use), props (i.e. rubber rifles used for stunt work), and BFONGs (the legal term for a blank firing only non gun). 174.0.48.147 ( talk) 17:35, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Prop. Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Prop to become dab page. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 11:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Theatrical property → Prop (stage) – WP:COMMONNAME, everyone calls it a prop. 150.250.5.20 ( talk) 00:08, 25 October 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Theatrical property →
Prop (acting) –
WP:COMMONNAME, everyone calls it a prop.
150.250.5.20 (
talk)
00:44, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
*Move to 'Prop (theatrical)' not every scene using props has actors.
SaltySaltyTears (
talk)
01:48, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
First, in the Prop#Collecting paragraph, it is stated that "In recent years, the increasing popularity of movie memorabilia has elevated many props to the status of prized collectors items." - which recent years? How can this be rephrased to make more sense long-term, without saying something equally strange like "from the 2000s onwards", as this cultural shift was gradual and not something that can be pinpointed in time so simply. Might "in recent decades" be better given that one of the citations [1] [2] at the end of the paragraph is from 2006 while the other is from 2017?
Secondly, the term "prop" has become ubiquitous in video games, both amongst developers [3] [4] [5] and players [6] [7] [8], most notably through the "prop hunt" gamemode present in several video games, as covered in the Wikipedia article Garry's_Mod#Prop_Hunt. I am unsure how this can/should be worked into this article, or if it should be at all. Might it be better to create a Prop (Video Games) article, or work a paragraph into this article somewhere, and if so, where? WindowEnthuziast557 ( talk) 19:28, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 16 January 2024 and 8 May 2024. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Walrusedit (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Pandastmina.
— Assignment last updated by Pandastmina ( talk) 21:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)