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It's time to change the President to Juan Guaido. Most English countries have recognized him as the legitimate president of Venezuela, also Maduros blocked us (Wikipedia) from Venezuela! DoctorSpeed Want to talk? 00:30, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
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Juan Guaido is the new president of Venezuela as in 01/11/2019 2601:58A:8280:1560:250B:ABCA:2AD8:7936 ( talk) 00:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
the OAS and the Group of Lima had already requested that the power be turned over to the National Assembly after january 10th. According to the constitution, the president of the National Assembly can assume the presidency in this case, so the part where it says "By all international accounts, Venezuela has been without a President". As for sources, there are a lot on here. Sandubadear ( talk) 17:05, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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Nicolas Maduro is the president of Venezuela: https://noticias.uol.com.br/internacional/ultimas-noticias/2019/01/13/presidente-do-parlamento-opositor-juan-guaido-e-preso-na-venezuela.htm
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I have removed the details around the current incumbent from the Infobox as this has been the result of edit-warring over the past several days with it reverting between both candidates. I think the lead of the article accurately reflects the current status but it isn't possible to achieve this kind of nuance in the infobox. If anybody has a better solution while retaining WP:NPOV feel free to jump in. Once there's a clear consensus (either here or in sources) for the president, we should restore the incumbent details to the infobox. Darren-M ( talk) 21:23, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
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We at the Spanish Wikipedia decided to include both Maduro and Guaidó as the President "with limited recognition" as the most neutral denomination, rather than de facto and de jure.
|incumbent = <!-- :: Nicolás Maduro -->[[Nicolás Maduro]]<br><small><!-- :: Link to 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis -->([[2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis|partially recognized]])<!-- :: Notes about who support Maduro --></small>{{refn|group="n"|Recognized by the [[2017 Constituent National Assembly|Constituent National Assembly]], the [[Supreme Tribunal of Justice (Venezuela)|]], the [[National Bolivarian Armed Forces of Venezuela|National Bolivarian Armed Forces]] and arround 23 countries, including [[Russia]] and [[China]].}}<br><!-- :: Juan Guaidó -->[[Juan Guaidó]]<br><small>(partially regognized)<!-- :: Notes about who support Guadió --></small>{{refn|group="n"|Recognized by the [[National Assembly (Venezuela)|]], the [[Organization of American States]] and 16 countries, including the [[United States]].}}
As I already suggested in another related article, do you thing is a good idea to include the both ones instead of just the "disputed" text? -- Amitie 10g ( talk) 03:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
I undid revision 882330377 which stated: "and most in the rest of the world not taking the position publicly and continuing to recognise the Maduro government."
A. This runs counter to well respected sources such as the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47053701 Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-24/trump-support-sparks-global-backing-of-venezuela-s-guaido-map Foreign Policy: https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/06/maduro-vs-guaido-a-global-scorecard-map-infographic/ Reuters: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venezuela-politics-maduro-guaido-fact/factbox-guaido-vs-maduro-who-backs-venezuelas-two-presidents-idUKKCN1PI1LH
etc.
B. It's speculation, which is not what wiki is for.
C. The line of reasoning is faulty. The line of reasoning is: "The fact is that the rest of the world keeps recognising Maduro. Use of the word "neutral" is misleading - they actively maintain diplomatic relations with the current government." The problem with this line of reasoning is that much of the world doesn't have formal diplomatic relations in the form of diplomatic missions to maintain. See: /info/en/?search=List_of_diplomatic_missions_of_Venezuela So there's nothing to recognize. Take South Sudan for instance, it has no mission in Venezuela, nor does it have a Venezuelan diplomatic mission in Juba, so it's speculation to say that since they didn't publicly come out in favour of Guaidó they must be in favor of Maduro. There's nothing to recognize. Now if another random country which lacks a Venezuelan mission, such as Tanzania, came out in support of Maduro or Guaidó by all means, but to say no comment thus Maduro is speculation and mind reading which isn't what Wiki is for. Alcibiades979 ( talk) 14:51, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
As I suggested at Venezuela (per the concensus reached at the Spanish Wikipedia, the incumbent status for Venezuela has been changed to establish both Maduro and Guaidó as the president, with limited recognition. So, I strongly recommend to establish it here, too (the term "disputed" is quite accurate, but including both presidents says the same but better explained, and seems to be more neutral). -- Amitie 10g ( talk) 16:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I changed it to say disputed with a link to the crisis page for the following reasons:
Both are the "Presidente de la República bolivariana de Venezuela" with "limited recognition". I haven't seen reliable sources refer to Guaidó as president; they typically say that he claims to be president or that nations have recognized him as president, but not that he is.
The Constitution of Venezuela allows Guardidó to take office as President, in the absence of a legitime one, as the Maduro's period already ended, and the Constitution prohibits taking the office again, unless by force (aka. becoming a dictator and changing the Constitution for his convenience).That's one interpretation of the constitution, and sure, on that interpretation, Guaidó is (de jure and not de facto) president. Other interpretations exist, though, and as we agree, we don't have space in the infobox to get into that. — cmonghost 👻 ( talk) 16:21, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I moved the 2019 crisis section to be directly after the most recent elections section, where I think it makes more sense. It's not clear to me why it was receiving top billing on an article about the office of the president; other articles about the offices of president, prime minister etc in other countries do not share this heavy focus on current events.
I think the section itself should also be cut down, right now it's several paragraphs but I think something much shorter would serve the same purpose. There is already a link to the article on the crisis for readers who would like to read more. Having several paragraphs of text on all articles that are related to the crisis makes it difficult to update when things change on other articles and leads to inconsistencies. — cmonghost 👻 ( talk) 19:57, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
The polls show the venezuelan people have lost faith in him and his ability to govern. The European Union stopped recognizing him as president now: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1346874198556336128
This means that the presidential crisis is over and that Maduro is the only president of venezuela. I will edit the article and say that the presidential crisis is over, if nobody opposes this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seekallknowledge ( talk • contribs) 01:38, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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Should the infobox and lead be changed to indicate Nicolas Maduro is president of Venezuela without qualifying this status as being in dispute, while simultaneously preserving text in the body noting that some nations (such as the US) recognize Juan Guaidó instead? Chetsford ( talk) 05:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
de facto Presidentand/or a note that he is
partially recognised. — kashmīrī TALK 22:36, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
"While we use reliable sources to determine what a particular field is saying about a subject, the RS themselves -- by my reading of FRINGE -- are chroniclers of the field and not adjudicators of the field
For awareness of editors, and to implement the above closure, I took the liberty of moving the text of the dispute to a footnote in the infobox. [12] I have not made any changes to the lead or body. Chetsford ( talk) 16:39, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Should a headshot of Nicolás Maduro, whom a previous RfC indicated should be listed as President of Venezuela, occupy the "image" parameter of the infobox or not? Chetsford ( talk) 16:38, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Now that NoonIcarus has made yet another sweeping change to the infobox, this question is moot. I'll open an RfC, below. Chetsford ( talk) 17:56, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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A previous RfC posed this question: Should the infobox and lead be changed to indicate Nicolas Maduro is president of Venezuela without qualifying this status as being in dispute, while simultaneously preserving text in the body noting that some nations (such as the US) recognize Juan Guaidó instead? This was closed with the decision to move "the dispute into a footnote". The meaning of this closure with respect to the image parameter in the infobox is now in dispute. How should it be interpreted? Chetsford ( talk) 18:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Chetsford ( talk) 18:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
while the European Union has withdrawn recognition from Guaidó, it has not returned it to Maduro, and while some countries in Latin America have changed their foreign policy due to recent elections, the majority of the continent still supports Guaidó's claim and voted to have his representative in the Organization of American States (OAS) (or in other words, they still don't recognize Maduro)"
Guaidó's "presidency" is essentially confined to digital trappings — Zoom meetings and a few hijacked embassy websites": Guaidó's ambassador, Gustavo Tarre Briceño, represents Venezuela in the Organization of American States, able to intervene and vote in resolutions, just like any other ambassador and as in the Inter-American Commission and Court of Human Rights, and has continued doing so for two years and a half years now. Guaidó's claim continues to have legal repercussions, being an issue being discussed in the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom currently to decide who should be awarded with $1 billion worth of gold from the Bank of England. This is not like Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya's claims and efforts to be recognized as the winner of the presidential elections in Belarus: his representatives are still currently accredited as ambassadors in the countries that recognize him, mostly in Latin America, and his claim's effects have been everlasting, up to this day. To dismiss this would be contrary to policy per WP:CRYSTALBALL. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 19:31, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Please see:
-- David Tornheim ( talk) 15:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
That discussion can now be found here. The conclusion at that time by the closing admin on 3 December 2021 was: "There is a clear consensus that Juan Guaidó isn’t the interim president of Venezuela." -- David Tornheim ( talk) 21:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Remains disputed by the international community regardless of GuaidóGuaidó's recognition has not changed Maduro's recognition, and said RfC took place for the former's article over two years, not this one. This has already been explained several times in the edit history: [15] [16] [17] [18]. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 12:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
The United States recognizes the 2015 democratically elected Venezuelan National Assembly as the only legitimate branch of the Government of Venezuela.
Maduro regime" is proof that this presidency is not content.
"Our approach to Nicolas Maduro is not changing. He is not the legitimate leader of Venezuela," State Department spokesman Ned Price told reporters.,
"We continue to recognize what is the only remaining democratically elected institution in Venezuela today, and that's the 2015 National Assembly". [2]
In its first comments on Guaidó’s removal, the Biden administration in effect yanked its support for Guaidó while saying it continued to consider Maduro an “illegitimate” leader.[3]
While the United States provides humanitarian assistance to the Venezuelan people, it has limited economic engagement with the regime of Nicolas Maduro, which it considers illegitimate.[4]
Maduro’s victory in the 2018 election was rejected as a sham and illegitimate by the U.S. and its allies and was followed by harsh sanctions.[5]
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro’s government, which oversaw 2018 presidential elections that were widely considered illegitimate[6]
That led critics of Maduro’s socialist government to declare the election illegitimate.[7]
Miss Universe judge Emily Austin calls Venezuela's President Nicolás Maduro 'illegitimate' after he alleged the pageant was rigged[8]
In general, there is a rough consensus that the dispute is still ongoing.
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Do the balance of current reliable sources assert that the presidency of Nicolás Maduro is disputed? Should the infobox say:
-- David Tornheim ( talk) 19:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Recent sources use terms such as "the government of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro", [24] "the Venezuelan president, Nicolás Maduro", [25] "Nicolas Maduro’s government", [26] "President Nicolás Maduro", [27] [28]. Burrobert ( talk) 04:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
@ David Tornheim: The RfC has not been closed yet and it was opened merely three days ago. You should probably wait more time before removing the content. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 20:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Recent reference (5 February 2024): Disputed Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro
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Annual Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community (PDF). Office of the Director of National Intelligence. 5 February 2024. p. 29.--
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FYI. This article is being discussed here:
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Photo change discussion here:
I meant to have the new section over here, but accidentally put it at the Nicolás Maduro talk page and then put that location in the comment of the change. Sorry for any confusion. It's fine with me if any further discussion is here instead--just as long at there is a pointer back here.-- David Tornheim ( talk) 08:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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It's time to change the President to Juan Guaido. Most English countries have recognized him as the legitimate president of Venezuela, also Maduros blocked us (Wikipedia) from Venezuela! DoctorSpeed Want to talk? 00:30, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
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Juan Guaido is the new president of Venezuela as in 01/11/2019 2601:58A:8280:1560:250B:ABCA:2AD8:7936 ( talk) 00:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
the OAS and the Group of Lima had already requested that the power be turned over to the National Assembly after january 10th. According to the constitution, the president of the National Assembly can assume the presidency in this case, so the part where it says "By all international accounts, Venezuela has been without a President". As for sources, there are a lot on here. Sandubadear ( talk) 17:05, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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Nicolas Maduro is the president of Venezuela: https://noticias.uol.com.br/internacional/ultimas-noticias/2019/01/13/presidente-do-parlamento-opositor-juan-guaido-e-preso-na-venezuela.htm
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I have removed the details around the current incumbent from the Infobox as this has been the result of edit-warring over the past several days with it reverting between both candidates. I think the lead of the article accurately reflects the current status but it isn't possible to achieve this kind of nuance in the infobox. If anybody has a better solution while retaining WP:NPOV feel free to jump in. Once there's a clear consensus (either here or in sources) for the president, we should restore the incumbent details to the infobox. Darren-M ( talk) 21:23, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
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We at the Spanish Wikipedia decided to include both Maduro and Guaidó as the President "with limited recognition" as the most neutral denomination, rather than de facto and de jure.
|incumbent = <!-- :: Nicolás Maduro -->[[Nicolás Maduro]]<br><small><!-- :: Link to 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis -->([[2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis|partially recognized]])<!-- :: Notes about who support Maduro --></small>{{refn|group="n"|Recognized by the [[2017 Constituent National Assembly|Constituent National Assembly]], the [[Supreme Tribunal of Justice (Venezuela)|]], the [[National Bolivarian Armed Forces of Venezuela|National Bolivarian Armed Forces]] and arround 23 countries, including [[Russia]] and [[China]].}}<br><!-- :: Juan Guaidó -->[[Juan Guaidó]]<br><small>(partially regognized)<!-- :: Notes about who support Guadió --></small>{{refn|group="n"|Recognized by the [[National Assembly (Venezuela)|]], the [[Organization of American States]] and 16 countries, including the [[United States]].}}
As I already suggested in another related article, do you thing is a good idea to include the both ones instead of just the "disputed" text? -- Amitie 10g ( talk) 03:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
I undid revision 882330377 which stated: "and most in the rest of the world not taking the position publicly and continuing to recognise the Maduro government."
A. This runs counter to well respected sources such as the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47053701 Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-24/trump-support-sparks-global-backing-of-venezuela-s-guaido-map Foreign Policy: https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/06/maduro-vs-guaido-a-global-scorecard-map-infographic/ Reuters: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venezuela-politics-maduro-guaido-fact/factbox-guaido-vs-maduro-who-backs-venezuelas-two-presidents-idUKKCN1PI1LH
etc.
B. It's speculation, which is not what wiki is for.
C. The line of reasoning is faulty. The line of reasoning is: "The fact is that the rest of the world keeps recognising Maduro. Use of the word "neutral" is misleading - they actively maintain diplomatic relations with the current government." The problem with this line of reasoning is that much of the world doesn't have formal diplomatic relations in the form of diplomatic missions to maintain. See: /info/en/?search=List_of_diplomatic_missions_of_Venezuela So there's nothing to recognize. Take South Sudan for instance, it has no mission in Venezuela, nor does it have a Venezuelan diplomatic mission in Juba, so it's speculation to say that since they didn't publicly come out in favour of Guaidó they must be in favor of Maduro. There's nothing to recognize. Now if another random country which lacks a Venezuelan mission, such as Tanzania, came out in support of Maduro or Guaidó by all means, but to say no comment thus Maduro is speculation and mind reading which isn't what Wiki is for. Alcibiades979 ( talk) 14:51, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
As I suggested at Venezuela (per the concensus reached at the Spanish Wikipedia, the incumbent status for Venezuela has been changed to establish both Maduro and Guaidó as the president, with limited recognition. So, I strongly recommend to establish it here, too (the term "disputed" is quite accurate, but including both presidents says the same but better explained, and seems to be more neutral). -- Amitie 10g ( talk) 16:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I changed it to say disputed with a link to the crisis page for the following reasons:
Both are the "Presidente de la República bolivariana de Venezuela" with "limited recognition". I haven't seen reliable sources refer to Guaidó as president; they typically say that he claims to be president or that nations have recognized him as president, but not that he is.
The Constitution of Venezuela allows Guardidó to take office as President, in the absence of a legitime one, as the Maduro's period already ended, and the Constitution prohibits taking the office again, unless by force (aka. becoming a dictator and changing the Constitution for his convenience).That's one interpretation of the constitution, and sure, on that interpretation, Guaidó is (de jure and not de facto) president. Other interpretations exist, though, and as we agree, we don't have space in the infobox to get into that. — cmonghost 👻 ( talk) 16:21, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I moved the 2019 crisis section to be directly after the most recent elections section, where I think it makes more sense. It's not clear to me why it was receiving top billing on an article about the office of the president; other articles about the offices of president, prime minister etc in other countries do not share this heavy focus on current events.
I think the section itself should also be cut down, right now it's several paragraphs but I think something much shorter would serve the same purpose. There is already a link to the article on the crisis for readers who would like to read more. Having several paragraphs of text on all articles that are related to the crisis makes it difficult to update when things change on other articles and leads to inconsistencies. — cmonghost 👻 ( talk) 19:57, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
The polls show the venezuelan people have lost faith in him and his ability to govern. The European Union stopped recognizing him as president now: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1346874198556336128
This means that the presidential crisis is over and that Maduro is the only president of venezuela. I will edit the article and say that the presidential crisis is over, if nobody opposes this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seekallknowledge ( talk • contribs) 01:38, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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Should the infobox and lead be changed to indicate Nicolas Maduro is president of Venezuela without qualifying this status as being in dispute, while simultaneously preserving text in the body noting that some nations (such as the US) recognize Juan Guaidó instead? Chetsford ( talk) 05:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
de facto Presidentand/or a note that he is
partially recognised. — kashmīrī TALK 22:36, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
"While we use reliable sources to determine what a particular field is saying about a subject, the RS themselves -- by my reading of FRINGE -- are chroniclers of the field and not adjudicators of the field
For awareness of editors, and to implement the above closure, I took the liberty of moving the text of the dispute to a footnote in the infobox. [12] I have not made any changes to the lead or body. Chetsford ( talk) 16:39, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Should a headshot of Nicolás Maduro, whom a previous RfC indicated should be listed as President of Venezuela, occupy the "image" parameter of the infobox or not? Chetsford ( talk) 16:38, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Now that NoonIcarus has made yet another sweeping change to the infobox, this question is moot. I'll open an RfC, below. Chetsford ( talk) 17:56, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A previous RfC posed this question: Should the infobox and lead be changed to indicate Nicolas Maduro is president of Venezuela without qualifying this status as being in dispute, while simultaneously preserving text in the body noting that some nations (such as the US) recognize Juan Guaidó instead? This was closed with the decision to move "the dispute into a footnote". The meaning of this closure with respect to the image parameter in the infobox is now in dispute. How should it be interpreted? Chetsford ( talk) 18:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Chetsford ( talk) 18:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
while the European Union has withdrawn recognition from Guaidó, it has not returned it to Maduro, and while some countries in Latin America have changed their foreign policy due to recent elections, the majority of the continent still supports Guaidó's claim and voted to have his representative in the Organization of American States (OAS) (or in other words, they still don't recognize Maduro)"
Guaidó's "presidency" is essentially confined to digital trappings — Zoom meetings and a few hijacked embassy websites": Guaidó's ambassador, Gustavo Tarre Briceño, represents Venezuela in the Organization of American States, able to intervene and vote in resolutions, just like any other ambassador and as in the Inter-American Commission and Court of Human Rights, and has continued doing so for two years and a half years now. Guaidó's claim continues to have legal repercussions, being an issue being discussed in the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom currently to decide who should be awarded with $1 billion worth of gold from the Bank of England. This is not like Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya's claims and efforts to be recognized as the winner of the presidential elections in Belarus: his representatives are still currently accredited as ambassadors in the countries that recognize him, mostly in Latin America, and his claim's effects have been everlasting, up to this day. To dismiss this would be contrary to policy per WP:CRYSTALBALL. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 19:31, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Please see:
-- David Tornheim ( talk) 15:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
That discussion can now be found here. The conclusion at that time by the closing admin on 3 December 2021 was: "There is a clear consensus that Juan Guaidó isn’t the interim president of Venezuela." -- David Tornheim ( talk) 21:31, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Remains disputed by the international community regardless of GuaidóGuaidó's recognition has not changed Maduro's recognition, and said RfC took place for the former's article over two years, not this one. This has already been explained several times in the edit history: [15] [16] [17] [18]. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 12:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
The United States recognizes the 2015 democratically elected Venezuelan National Assembly as the only legitimate branch of the Government of Venezuela.
Maduro regime" is proof that this presidency is not content.
"Our approach to Nicolas Maduro is not changing. He is not the legitimate leader of Venezuela," State Department spokesman Ned Price told reporters.,
"We continue to recognize what is the only remaining democratically elected institution in Venezuela today, and that's the 2015 National Assembly". [2]
In its first comments on Guaidó’s removal, the Biden administration in effect yanked its support for Guaidó while saying it continued to consider Maduro an “illegitimate” leader.[3]
While the United States provides humanitarian assistance to the Venezuelan people, it has limited economic engagement with the regime of Nicolas Maduro, which it considers illegitimate.[4]
Maduro’s victory in the 2018 election was rejected as a sham and illegitimate by the U.S. and its allies and was followed by harsh sanctions.[5]
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro’s government, which oversaw 2018 presidential elections that were widely considered illegitimate[6]
That led critics of Maduro’s socialist government to declare the election illegitimate.[7]
Miss Universe judge Emily Austin calls Venezuela's President Nicolás Maduro 'illegitimate' after he alleged the pageant was rigged[8]
In general, there is a rough consensus that the dispute is still ongoing.
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Do the balance of current reliable sources assert that the presidency of Nicolás Maduro is disputed? Should the infobox say:
-- David Tornheim ( talk) 19:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Recent sources use terms such as "the government of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro", [24] "the Venezuelan president, Nicolás Maduro", [25] "Nicolas Maduro’s government", [26] "President Nicolás Maduro", [27] [28]. Burrobert ( talk) 04:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
@ David Tornheim: The RfC has not been closed yet and it was opened merely three days ago. You should probably wait more time before removing the content. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 20:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Recent reference (5 February 2024): Disputed Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro
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Annual Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community (PDF). Office of the Director of National Intelligence. 5 February 2024. p. 29.--
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FYI. This article is being discussed here:
-- David Tornheim ( talk) 01:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Photo change discussion here:
I meant to have the new section over here, but accidentally put it at the Nicolás Maduro talk page and then put that location in the comment of the change. Sorry for any confusion. It's fine with me if any further discussion is here instead--just as long at there is a pointer back here.-- David Tornheim ( talk) 08:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)