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Imzadi 1979 → 22:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Hi WMrapids. I've closed you most recent RFC at
WP:RSN, it's not the way to get the answers to the questions you asked. If you want clarification of the close of an RFC such as the original La Patilla, your first step should be to ask the closer. If you don't think their answer is satisfactory you can ask for the close to be reviewed at
WP:AN.
RFCs are meant to be the last step in a process, not something you should rush into. I suggest you try discussion with other editors, and if you can't come to a consensus follow the advice at
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- @ ActivelyDisinterested: Thanks for the information and I'll try my best to apply it as needed. I genuinely am trying to avoid disputes and appreciate you taking the time to explain things to me (again). As I've said before, I really don't want to be involved in controversial topics, but I've seen a need in some areas. If you ever feel frustrated with explaining things to other editors (I this hope isn't the case with me), please remember that it's users like you who help guide others in the right direction, which is something vital for the project. I'll try to be careful with potential RfCs in the future and try other dispute resolution processes first. WMrapids ( talk) 02:48, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
WMrapids, after Siroxo closed the first RFC, and ActivelyDisinterested closed the second RFC, you queried Siroxo about contentious topics, and Siroxo clarified. There are no general sanctions on Venezuelan topics; BLPs are a contentious topic, Venezuela is not. Telesur is not a BLP or a contentious topic. And yet, you are doing this. Which part of the summary at WP:RSP of the close of La Patilla do you think supports your edit warring at Telesur? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- The point where it says "be extremely cautious in referencing coverage of politics". Since La Patilla is a direct political opponent to those operating Telesur, it would be undue to have its coverage spread throughout the article of its opponent. I'll try to find better sources than La Patilla as I don't want to just gut the article.
WMrapids (
talk) 03:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think you're stretching the conclusions of the close, but more importantly, I see no edits on the talk page regarding the edit warring; please engage talk more to avoid multiple reverts requiring others to inquire about your logic. What I see is the removal of text whose point will be easily cited, as its the very reason Telesur is deprecated. They lie. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hello WMrapids -- I've declined this speedy deletion request as G11 is meant for articles that are irredeemable promotion, with no factual content or reliable sources. Generally, if you feel the need to explain why something should be deleted, speedy is not the appropriate route. Regards, Espresso Addict ( talk) 02:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Espresso Addict: Thank you for the explanation. Would you recommend a nomination for deletion instead?
WMrapids (
talk) 02:37, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Your rationale "Article promoting the legitimization of the disputed presidency of Juan Guaidó. Topic is not notable, only covered by local sources and has no Spanish-language equivalent on Wikipedia, suggesting that this article is not relevant in the Spanish-speaking sphere and is solely promotional in nature. Article has not been edited since year of its creation." would be best explored at Articles for Deletion; then other editors with experience in the area (which I lack) would have a chance to respond. Regards, Espresso Addict ( talk) 02:42, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon comrade. Just letting you know that I did notice your recent tag but won't be replying on the talk page. I have not been paying much attention to the regime change pages lately, since Guaidó has left the scene and appointed himself visiting professor at some red-neck U.S. university. Reward for service. Btw, I do admire your patience. Solidarity!! Burrobert ( talk) 05:05, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Eh, I'm not really in it for any idea, just that things seemed to be inaccurately balanced and I wanted to help the project; it's really the last place I want to be editing. It does take patience to work things out with those who are passionate about what they believe, though things seem to find a way in the end through discussion. WMrapids ( talk) 05:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- ( talk page watcher) xD -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 09:41, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
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- @ Gonnym: Thank you for providing this! Much more simple. WMrapids ( talk) 21:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Fujimorist propaganda
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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗ plicit 14:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
An FYI; see where attribution is not needed. The idea behind the copying within guideline is that Wikipedia's licensing requires that individual's contributions be attributed; when you wholly write content and then (with no editor having changed that content) add the exact content you wrote to another article, CWW attribution isn't needed. It's all your work; no one else needs to be attributed. When in doubt, attribute, but in this case, as the edits were back to back, it was extra work you didn't need to do.
Separately, since summary style was used to trim the main article when the sub-article was created (because the main article was too long), let's not bloat the main article with individual opinions again-- that's why there's a sub-article. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- @ SandyGeorgia: Thank you for the information. I try to be as careful as possible with policy and it's probably good practice for me in case I'm forgetful with attribution. WMrapids ( talk) 15:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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- This is difficult when you track down pages I create, drive-by tag them and nominate them for deletion. Nevertheless, let's try to be as amicable as possible. WMrapids ( talk) 14:05, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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In the recent weeks, this is probably the most egregious case of blanking that I have encountered with you so far. Not only you continue saying that the text is not in the sources despite proof of the opposite in the talk page, but you're asking me to "discuss first" when you have not engaged in the talk page. I'll remind that I have already complained about blanking in the past, and will not doubt to do it again if needed. Regards, NoonIcarus ( talk) 19:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- This was further discussed in the article's talk page.-- WMrapids ( talk) 02:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
I suggest when you allege that an editor has made POV editing across multiple pages in a topic area, (as done here with NoonIcarus) that you make those allegations on that editor's talk page rather than in one of the many articles. The focus on the talk page should be more on the article in question rather than the editor's overall behavior here. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 22:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. As frustrated as I am with his prolonged situation, it is difficult when the messages are deleted or moved to a separate article by NoonIcarus. Given that the user supported moving discussions about their behavior to an article talk page away from their own page, it suggested to me that such discussions were appropriate, but I'll be more careful with such discussions in the future. Thanks again! WMrapids ( talk) 00:45, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you that deleting warnings is not great. Editor did the same with my warning. And I also believe neither comment made it to the talk archives either. I believe it is an attempt to hide the warnings. However, this can be used to show that an editor both got the warnings -and- did not take them seriously. That doesn't look good if the editor ever is brought to AN/I over the same issues.
- Unlike that editor, I prefer transparency, and I keep the warnings. An admin--who offered and helped me with archiving--thanked me for that. In fact, for almost all of my editing history, I don't believe I ever deleted any warnings.
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this move, I suggested it and
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- @
David Tornheim: Well, I never got to see your response since the discussion was moved and I missed it in the diff. Honestly, I admit to removing generic templates placed by NoonIcarus myself,
[1] but this was
after reading that users should
"[a]void posting a generic warning template if you are actively involved in the edit war yourself; it can be seen as aggressive."
Such templates placed by NoonIcarus, who was also edit warring, seemed to be inappropriate and intended to further add fuel to the fire (especially since they have a history of making things personal). - Since you are a great example of practicing transparency (especially with this edit), I will try to go back and place back discussions that are not generic warnings if they were removed. Dialogue is the best way forward, but it requires everyone to act in good faith. Thanks for helping with mediating this process. WMrapids ( talk) 01:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- @
David Tornheim: Well, I never got to see your response since the discussion was moved and I missed it in the diff. Honestly, I admit to removing generic templates placed by NoonIcarus myself,
[1] but this was
after reading that users should
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- @ ActivelyDisinterested: Thank you so much! I have no idea how that happened. WMrapids ( talk) 10:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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After being asked/reminded many times over many months to focus on content and avoid personalizing and casting aspersions, this issue continues. With a quick search, I find at least here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here (there may be more).
Specifically, when you asserted in October that "Honestly, this seems more like Wikihounding behavior by both you and NoonIcarus" (re a Copying Within Wikipedia issue I raised that had nothing to do with NoonIcarus-- CWW is a personal interest of mine as I participate at WP:CCI), I reminded you that "the aspersions need to stop. It is ludicrous to suggest that I followed you to an article I created and wrote most of. And I am not NoonIcarus; you've been asked once already at ANI to cease the aspersions; please do." You seem intent on implying that I edit at NoonIcarus's behest or in collusion with him.
Repeating that behavior again months later, at the current ANI, you appear to insinuate tag-teaming or collusion between Bobfrombrockley and NoonIcarus, which was politely corrected by BobFromBrockley:
I know that you two have worked pretty closely together on removing some info from United States involvement in regime change. ... WMrapids (talk) 14:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
And although he very politely corrects you with:
By "worked together closely", I think you mean that we have at times agreed on what the content should look like and you've disagreed. ... BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
... only days later, you repeat the behavior with another false personalization aimed at me, with: [3]
"SandyGeorgia and NoonIcarus do have a history of collaborating together for years, however, which makes it interesting that SandyGeorgia began editing again at the same time this ANI was opened and became involved after NoonIcarus contacted them in their talk page"
and then did not retract when you were questioned on this by another editor, with: [4]
but the timing is curious to post something to a talk page which will be usually emailed.
And several days later, you have still not retracted or struck the false claim, in spite of repeated explanations from me ... thereby again derailing and unnecessarily lengthening a discussion.
It pains me to be using my vacation time to deal with this, but this is no longer tolerable. Your insinuations are false. For the record, I have reviewed my email and I have exactly two (count 'em, TWO) very brief email threads with NoonIcarus. One last November where I emailed him a simple question, and he simply responded weeks later. And one from mid-December where NoonIcarus (like dozens of others) emailed me to wish me well after reading on Wikipedia of the real life difficulties I've been going through, and NOTHING else. Sum total of all our emails (and I don't engage any other form of off-Wiki contact either).
That you could turn the well wishes from many editors who watch my talk page and worried that I was gone into something more sinister is repulsive. NoonIcarus has never attempted to sway my editing via any contact on or off Wikipedia. I explained what circumstances led to me having enough time after I saw David Tornheim's ping after I arrived at my son's house to check on Venezuelan content, which led me to the ANI, and yet you haven't struck your insinuation/accusation. And what led me to finally check my email and re-engage somewhat had nothing to do with Venezuelan editing, rather seeing news of developments in the Cassava Sciences debacle led me to review my gmail, where I have google alerts set up, and Tornheim's ping was the first at the top of my email when I logged in.
This whole debacle is another sad example of your behaviors that impede collaboration and result in lengthy threads no one wants to read, and discourages people from participating on Wikipedia. I am again reminding you to check your AGF, avoid personalizing, and confine your commentary to content. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- And another absurdity about your charge that I just noticed is the timing: you started the ANI on March 12, and although I logged on several times after that to make brief medical edits, I didn't find the ANI until March 28, as a result of seeing Tornheim's ping from March 25, after I arrived for Holy Week vacation. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ SandyGeorgia: I genuinely apologize about not seeing you discuss the loss of your two close friends. While I have no excuses and should have been more thorough with my reading, I too am going through some real life events, so reading through the ANI (which everyone can admittedly describe as messy) and replying has been where I have been focusing my limited time. So in the ANI mess, I didn't see what you were experiencing and only saw NoonIcarus adding a short "+1" to a section that was started months ago in January. From my understanding, you said that you are emailed when additions to your talk page occur, so this seemed to be an apparent attempt by NoonIcarus to get your attention in some way while the ANI was reaching a pretty clear consensus to topic ban them. I was not insinuating that you two were emailing each other, so maybe I'm not the only one having comments lost in translation through these walls of discussions. Again, it's not that I was having bad faith in you, but specifically in NoonIcarus as they have arguably performed unconventional canvassing in an ANI before and have largely lost the faith of other users who have had encounters with them. As for the date that you became active in editing again, I thought that it was an interesting coincidence with the ANI's opening, but looking at what I said, it was inappropriate and I'm sorry. Regarding the canvassing claims and such, I will strike out some of it now that I have a time to respond and see the full situation in front of me.
- Now, to explain my concern about why NoonIcarus was trying to get your attention, it is that
you defended NoonIcarus (then Jamez42) vigorously in the 2020 ANI, so it seemed like a possible stealth attempt at
votestacking when I first saw the notification without seeing/recognizing the context you provided. Similar to how
NoonIcarus said that they were
"the last one remaining"
( inaccurately), you said that they were"the only editor"
that"has broad knowledge of what all the sources say."
I'm not sure if things have changed since 2020, but NoonIcarus' inappropriate "failed verification" removals, their attempt to make a fringe and extremist source more accepted, their use of an essay as policy to remove citations, alongside the concerns of numerous editors, makes it seem like this"broad knowledge"
no longer exists, only a deep POV. While this may seem like I'm trying to accuse you of misbehavior, again, you have your own opinion on NoonIcarus that seemed approving towards them; this in itself is not bad (we all have different opinions on different topics), but this is why I was having some concerns about them specifically trying to get your attention in their own time of need. This is also the reason why I noted past, significant collaborations NoonIcarus had with other editors; not to minimize the other editors in some way, but to track potential canvassing from NoonIcarus if necessary. Hopefully this is understandable for you. - As for your opinion on my editing, I kinda jumped headfirst into controversial topics when I began editing on Venezuela, so apologies if I was reckless. Believe it or not, I have done my best to follow your advice and actually remember specific tips that you have given me.
You informed me about
alphabetti spaghetti and
other linked abbreviations; you can see here and in my other recent edits that I have improved on this. After we had our discussions about
BLPs,
I asked you for help on a BLP so I could learn some more from you.
You informed me about copying within Wikipedia and
I asked a patroller how I was doing 2 months later; they said my edits have improved. Formatting citations in a particular way seems to be an issue for me;
you asked me to provide chapters to citations in a particular way in the past, though
JArthur1984
said that
"if the point is wanting to add chapter titles to the citations so it will be easier for readers who are in a similar position to you and reading from Kindle, I think that's nice. But it's not incumbent upon WMrapids to add."
Overall, I proved that my sources were not inaccurate in the ANI (despite their lack of specificity) and reflecting on citation edits, I admittedly may have become lazy after facing constant stonewalls from NoonIcarus since I thought (and evidenced with the ANI) that detailed citations did not really matter to them. Like what JArthur1984 said, I felt like users were trying to make me create citations to fit their own preferences, but after seeing the recommendation from Goldsztajn in the ANI, I will remember to be as thorough as possible with my citations. - So after following much of your advice, it is disheartening that you have ignored the concerns of I and others about NoonIcarus' poor editing, instead deciding to focus on my shortcomings that I have tried to improve while also facing adverse editing conditions. You seem to be very interested in the dispute between NoonIcarus and I. Correct me if I'm wrong, but
you have information on the dispute stored at home? It seems like
your stored information is
only directed towards me, so this is concerning, especially since you appear eager to
"suggest sanctions/warnings"
. You also have taken the time out of your family holiday, your recent losses and your own physical difficulties to become involved in an already lengthy ANI discussion. I admire the determination that you have and understand that this may be a way for you to cope with what may be going on, but I hope that this is not something personal. As I have detailed above, my opinion for you has always been one of respect, even if we did have disagreements or differing opinions. - On another note, in
this edit on the ANI, you said that I
"reinstated a POV tag that had been resolved, [and] re-added UNDUE material that had been many times discussed, without engaging talk"
. However, I only reverted things back to the way you left it since there wasn't much discussion (maybe I missed it?) and NoonIcarus began making edits on their own. I know this may be asking a lot since you have had to be so patient with me, but could you strike this as an act of good faith as well? - Like you, I am getting exhausted of editing Venezuelan topics, but I may pop in from time to time and when I do, we need to have good faith in each other moving forward. We both seem to be skeptical of one another to some extent, but I can tell that you genuinely want what is right for the project. I seriously feel like an idiot for missing your comments about losing your friends, so I'll probably be forever apologetic about that. With this response here on my talk page, I am very sincerely trying to make improvements and I have faith that this isn't just bait to get a response so you can add it to a dispute collection stored somewhere in order to pick me apart later.
- Have a great Easter, Sandy, and I hope you only get good news going forward!
WMrapids (
talk) 11:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was quoted here and tagged as a result, but I can’t really tell what the essence of the continued disagreement is. Is the citation issue still a part of it?
JArthur1984 (
talk) 16:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
JArthur1984: You can disregard it, was just discussing a past issue. My apologies.
WMrapids (
talk) 16:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- No need to apologize, I'm not annoyed. Best of luck to all in working through the situation. JArthur1984 ( talk) 16:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
JArthur1984: You can disregard it, was just discussing a past issue. My apologies.
WMrapids (
talk) 16:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was quoted here and tagged as a result, but I can’t really tell what the essence of the continued disagreement is. Is the citation issue still a part of it?
JArthur1984 (
talk) 16:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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Imzadi 1979 → 22:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Hi WMrapids. I've closed you most recent RFC at
WP:RSN, it's not the way to get the answers to the questions you asked. If you want clarification of the close of an RFC such as the original La Patilla, your first step should be to ask the closer. If you don't think their answer is satisfactory you can ask for the close to be reviewed at
WP:AN.
RFCs are meant to be the last step in a process, not something you should rush into. I suggest you try discussion with other editors, and if you can't come to a consensus follow the advice at
WP:DISPUTE. Also before you create any more RFC I strongly suggest you read
WP:RFCBEFORE. -- LCU
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- @ ActivelyDisinterested: Thanks for the information and I'll try my best to apply it as needed. I genuinely am trying to avoid disputes and appreciate you taking the time to explain things to me (again). As I've said before, I really don't want to be involved in controversial topics, but I've seen a need in some areas. If you ever feel frustrated with explaining things to other editors (I this hope isn't the case with me), please remember that it's users like you who help guide others in the right direction, which is something vital for the project. I'll try to be careful with potential RfCs in the future and try other dispute resolution processes first. WMrapids ( talk) 02:48, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
WMrapids, after Siroxo closed the first RFC, and ActivelyDisinterested closed the second RFC, you queried Siroxo about contentious topics, and Siroxo clarified. There are no general sanctions on Venezuelan topics; BLPs are a contentious topic, Venezuela is not. Telesur is not a BLP or a contentious topic. And yet, you are doing this. Which part of the summary at WP:RSP of the close of La Patilla do you think supports your edit warring at Telesur? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- The point where it says "be extremely cautious in referencing coverage of politics". Since La Patilla is a direct political opponent to those operating Telesur, it would be undue to have its coverage spread throughout the article of its opponent. I'll try to find better sources than La Patilla as I don't want to just gut the article.
WMrapids (
talk) 03:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- I think you're stretching the conclusions of the close, but more importantly, I see no edits on the talk page regarding the edit warring; please engage talk more to avoid multiple reverts requiring others to inquire about your logic. What I see is the removal of text whose point will be easily cited, as its the very reason Telesur is deprecated. They lie. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hello WMrapids -- I've declined this speedy deletion request as G11 is meant for articles that are irredeemable promotion, with no factual content or reliable sources. Generally, if you feel the need to explain why something should be deleted, speedy is not the appropriate route. Regards, Espresso Addict ( talk) 02:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Espresso Addict: Thank you for the explanation. Would you recommend a nomination for deletion instead?
WMrapids (
talk) 02:37, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- Your rationale "Article promoting the legitimization of the disputed presidency of Juan Guaidó. Topic is not notable, only covered by local sources and has no Spanish-language equivalent on Wikipedia, suggesting that this article is not relevant in the Spanish-speaking sphere and is solely promotional in nature. Article has not been edited since year of its creation." would be best explored at Articles for Deletion; then other editors with experience in the area (which I lack) would have a chance to respond. Regards, Espresso Addict ( talk) 02:42, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon comrade. Just letting you know that I did notice your recent tag but won't be replying on the talk page. I have not been paying much attention to the regime change pages lately, since Guaidó has left the scene and appointed himself visiting professor at some red-neck U.S. university. Reward for service. Btw, I do admire your patience. Solidarity!! Burrobert ( talk) 05:05, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Eh, I'm not really in it for any idea, just that things seemed to be inaccurately balanced and I wanted to help the project; it's really the last place I want to be editing. It does take patience to work things out with those who are passionate about what they believe, though things seem to find a way in the end through discussion. WMrapids ( talk) 05:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- ( talk page watcher) xD -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 09:41, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
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- @ Gonnym: Thank you for providing this! Much more simple. WMrapids ( talk) 21:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗ plicit 14:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
An FYI; see where attribution is not needed. The idea behind the copying within guideline is that Wikipedia's licensing requires that individual's contributions be attributed; when you wholly write content and then (with no editor having changed that content) add the exact content you wrote to another article, CWW attribution isn't needed. It's all your work; no one else needs to be attributed. When in doubt, attribute, but in this case, as the edits were back to back, it was extra work you didn't need to do.
Separately, since summary style was used to trim the main article when the sub-article was created (because the main article was too long), let's not bloat the main article with individual opinions again-- that's why there's a sub-article. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- @ SandyGeorgia: Thank you for the information. I try to be as careful as possible with policy and it's probably good practice for me in case I'm forgetful with attribution. WMrapids ( talk) 15:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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- This is difficult when you track down pages I create, drive-by tag them and nominate them for deletion. Nevertheless, let's try to be as amicable as possible. WMrapids ( talk) 14:05, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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In the recent weeks, this is probably the most egregious case of blanking that I have encountered with you so far. Not only you continue saying that the text is not in the sources despite proof of the opposite in the talk page, but you're asking me to "discuss first" when you have not engaged in the talk page. I'll remind that I have already complained about blanking in the past, and will not doubt to do it again if needed. Regards, NoonIcarus ( talk) 19:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- This was further discussed in the article's talk page.-- WMrapids ( talk) 02:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
I suggest when you allege that an editor has made POV editing across multiple pages in a topic area, (as done here with NoonIcarus) that you make those allegations on that editor's talk page rather than in one of the many articles. The focus on the talk page should be more on the article in question rather than the editor's overall behavior here. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 22:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. As frustrated as I am with his prolonged situation, it is difficult when the messages are deleted or moved to a separate article by NoonIcarus. Given that the user supported moving discussions about their behavior to an article talk page away from their own page, it suggested to me that such discussions were appropriate, but I'll be more careful with such discussions in the future. Thanks again! WMrapids ( talk) 00:45, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you that deleting warnings is not great. Editor did the same with my warning. And I also believe neither comment made it to the talk archives either. I believe it is an attempt to hide the warnings. However, this can be used to show that an editor both got the warnings -and- did not take them seriously. That doesn't look good if the editor ever is brought to AN/I over the same issues.
- Unlike that editor, I prefer transparency, and I keep the warnings. An admin--who offered and helped me with archiving--thanked me for that. In fact, for almost all of my editing history, I don't believe I ever deleted any warnings.
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this move, I suggested it and
NoonIcarus simply did what I suggested. It would have been better if you have moved it, but I don't see a problem. To be honest, I considered moving it too.--
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- @
David Tornheim: Well, I never got to see your response since the discussion was moved and I missed it in the diff. Honestly, I admit to removing generic templates placed by NoonIcarus myself,
[1] but this was
after reading that users should
"[a]void posting a generic warning template if you are actively involved in the edit war yourself; it can be seen as aggressive."
Such templates placed by NoonIcarus, who was also edit warring, seemed to be inappropriate and intended to further add fuel to the fire (especially since they have a history of making things personal). - Since you are a great example of practicing transparency (especially with this edit), I will try to go back and place back discussions that are not generic warnings if they were removed. Dialogue is the best way forward, but it requires everyone to act in good faith. Thanks for helping with mediating this process. WMrapids ( talk) 01:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- @
David Tornheim: Well, I never got to see your response since the discussion was moved and I missed it in the diff. Honestly, I admit to removing generic templates placed by NoonIcarus myself,
[1] but this was
after reading that users should
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- @ ActivelyDisinterested: Thank you so much! I have no idea how that happened. WMrapids ( talk) 10:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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After being asked/reminded many times over many months to focus on content and avoid personalizing and casting aspersions, this issue continues. With a quick search, I find at least here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here (there may be more).
Specifically, when you asserted in October that "Honestly, this seems more like Wikihounding behavior by both you and NoonIcarus" (re a Copying Within Wikipedia issue I raised that had nothing to do with NoonIcarus-- CWW is a personal interest of mine as I participate at WP:CCI), I reminded you that "the aspersions need to stop. It is ludicrous to suggest that I followed you to an article I created and wrote most of. And I am not NoonIcarus; you've been asked once already at ANI to cease the aspersions; please do." You seem intent on implying that I edit at NoonIcarus's behest or in collusion with him.
Repeating that behavior again months later, at the current ANI, you appear to insinuate tag-teaming or collusion between Bobfrombrockley and NoonIcarus, which was politely corrected by BobFromBrockley:
I know that you two have worked pretty closely together on removing some info from United States involvement in regime change. ... WMrapids (talk) 14:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
And although he very politely corrects you with:
By "worked together closely", I think you mean that we have at times agreed on what the content should look like and you've disagreed. ... BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
... only days later, you repeat the behavior with another false personalization aimed at me, with: [3]
"SandyGeorgia and NoonIcarus do have a history of collaborating together for years, however, which makes it interesting that SandyGeorgia began editing again at the same time this ANI was opened and became involved after NoonIcarus contacted them in their talk page"
and then did not retract when you were questioned on this by another editor, with: [4]
but the timing is curious to post something to a talk page which will be usually emailed.
And several days later, you have still not retracted or struck the false claim, in spite of repeated explanations from me ... thereby again derailing and unnecessarily lengthening a discussion.
It pains me to be using my vacation time to deal with this, but this is no longer tolerable. Your insinuations are false. For the record, I have reviewed my email and I have exactly two (count 'em, TWO) very brief email threads with NoonIcarus. One last November where I emailed him a simple question, and he simply responded weeks later. And one from mid-December where NoonIcarus (like dozens of others) emailed me to wish me well after reading on Wikipedia of the real life difficulties I've been going through, and NOTHING else. Sum total of all our emails (and I don't engage any other form of off-Wiki contact either).
That you could turn the well wishes from many editors who watch my talk page and worried that I was gone into something more sinister is repulsive. NoonIcarus has never attempted to sway my editing via any contact on or off Wikipedia. I explained what circumstances led to me having enough time after I saw David Tornheim's ping after I arrived at my son's house to check on Venezuelan content, which led me to the ANI, and yet you haven't struck your insinuation/accusation. And what led me to finally check my email and re-engage somewhat had nothing to do with Venezuelan editing, rather seeing news of developments in the Cassava Sciences debacle led me to review my gmail, where I have google alerts set up, and Tornheim's ping was the first at the top of my email when I logged in.
This whole debacle is another sad example of your behaviors that impede collaboration and result in lengthy threads no one wants to read, and discourages people from participating on Wikipedia. I am again reminding you to check your AGF, avoid personalizing, and confine your commentary to content. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- And another absurdity about your charge that I just noticed is the timing: you started the ANI on March 12, and although I logged on several times after that to make brief medical edits, I didn't find the ANI until March 28, as a result of seeing Tornheim's ping from March 25, after I arrived for Holy Week vacation. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ SandyGeorgia: I genuinely apologize about not seeing you discuss the loss of your two close friends. While I have no excuses and should have been more thorough with my reading, I too am going through some real life events, so reading through the ANI (which everyone can admittedly describe as messy) and replying has been where I have been focusing my limited time. So in the ANI mess, I didn't see what you were experiencing and only saw NoonIcarus adding a short "+1" to a section that was started months ago in January. From my understanding, you said that you are emailed when additions to your talk page occur, so this seemed to be an apparent attempt by NoonIcarus to get your attention in some way while the ANI was reaching a pretty clear consensus to topic ban them. I was not insinuating that you two were emailing each other, so maybe I'm not the only one having comments lost in translation through these walls of discussions. Again, it's not that I was having bad faith in you, but specifically in NoonIcarus as they have arguably performed unconventional canvassing in an ANI before and have largely lost the faith of other users who have had encounters with them. As for the date that you became active in editing again, I thought that it was an interesting coincidence with the ANI's opening, but looking at what I said, it was inappropriate and I'm sorry. Regarding the canvassing claims and such, I will strike out some of it now that I have a time to respond and see the full situation in front of me.
- Now, to explain my concern about why NoonIcarus was trying to get your attention, it is that
you defended NoonIcarus (then Jamez42) vigorously in the 2020 ANI, so it seemed like a possible stealth attempt at
votestacking when I first saw the notification without seeing/recognizing the context you provided. Similar to how
NoonIcarus said that they were
"the last one remaining"
( inaccurately), you said that they were"the only editor"
that"has broad knowledge of what all the sources say."
I'm not sure if things have changed since 2020, but NoonIcarus' inappropriate "failed verification" removals, their attempt to make a fringe and extremist source more accepted, their use of an essay as policy to remove citations, alongside the concerns of numerous editors, makes it seem like this"broad knowledge"
no longer exists, only a deep POV. While this may seem like I'm trying to accuse you of misbehavior, again, you have your own opinion on NoonIcarus that seemed approving towards them; this in itself is not bad (we all have different opinions on different topics), but this is why I was having some concerns about them specifically trying to get your attention in their own time of need. This is also the reason why I noted past, significant collaborations NoonIcarus had with other editors; not to minimize the other editors in some way, but to track potential canvassing from NoonIcarus if necessary. Hopefully this is understandable for you. - As for your opinion on my editing, I kinda jumped headfirst into controversial topics when I began editing on Venezuela, so apologies if I was reckless. Believe it or not, I have done my best to follow your advice and actually remember specific tips that you have given me.
You informed me about
alphabetti spaghetti and
other linked abbreviations; you can see here and in my other recent edits that I have improved on this. After we had our discussions about
BLPs,
I asked you for help on a BLP so I could learn some more from you.
You informed me about copying within Wikipedia and
I asked a patroller how I was doing 2 months later; they said my edits have improved. Formatting citations in a particular way seems to be an issue for me;
you asked me to provide chapters to citations in a particular way in the past, though
JArthur1984
said that
"if the point is wanting to add chapter titles to the citations so it will be easier for readers who are in a similar position to you and reading from Kindle, I think that's nice. But it's not incumbent upon WMrapids to add."
Overall, I proved that my sources were not inaccurate in the ANI (despite their lack of specificity) and reflecting on citation edits, I admittedly may have become lazy after facing constant stonewalls from NoonIcarus since I thought (and evidenced with the ANI) that detailed citations did not really matter to them. Like what JArthur1984 said, I felt like users were trying to make me create citations to fit their own preferences, but after seeing the recommendation from Goldsztajn in the ANI, I will remember to be as thorough as possible with my citations. - So after following much of your advice, it is disheartening that you have ignored the concerns of I and others about NoonIcarus' poor editing, instead deciding to focus on my shortcomings that I have tried to improve while also facing adverse editing conditions. You seem to be very interested in the dispute between NoonIcarus and I. Correct me if I'm wrong, but
you have information on the dispute stored at home? It seems like
your stored information is
only directed towards me, so this is concerning, especially since you appear eager to
"suggest sanctions/warnings"
. You also have taken the time out of your family holiday, your recent losses and your own physical difficulties to become involved in an already lengthy ANI discussion. I admire the determination that you have and understand that this may be a way for you to cope with what may be going on, but I hope that this is not something personal. As I have detailed above, my opinion for you has always been one of respect, even if we did have disagreements or differing opinions. - On another note, in
this edit on the ANI, you said that I
"reinstated a POV tag that had been resolved, [and] re-added UNDUE material that had been many times discussed, without engaging talk"
. However, I only reverted things back to the way you left it since there wasn't much discussion (maybe I missed it?) and NoonIcarus began making edits on their own. I know this may be asking a lot since you have had to be so patient with me, but could you strike this as an act of good faith as well? - Like you, I am getting exhausted of editing Venezuelan topics, but I may pop in from time to time and when I do, we need to have good faith in each other moving forward. We both seem to be skeptical of one another to some extent, but I can tell that you genuinely want what is right for the project. I seriously feel like an idiot for missing your comments about losing your friends, so I'll probably be forever apologetic about that. With this response here on my talk page, I am very sincerely trying to make improvements and I have faith that this isn't just bait to get a response so you can add it to a dispute collection stored somewhere in order to pick me apart later.
- Have a great Easter, Sandy, and I hope you only get good news going forward!
WMrapids (
talk) 11:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was quoted here and tagged as a result, but I can’t really tell what the essence of the continued disagreement is. Is the citation issue still a part of it?
JArthur1984 (
talk) 16:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
JArthur1984: You can disregard it, was just discussing a past issue. My apologies.
WMrapids (
talk) 16:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- No need to apologize, I'm not annoyed. Best of luck to all in working through the situation. JArthur1984 ( talk) 16:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
JArthur1984: You can disregard it, was just discussing a past issue. My apologies.
WMrapids (
talk) 16:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was quoted here and tagged as a result, but I can’t really tell what the essence of the continued disagreement is. Is the citation issue still a part of it?
JArthur1984 (
talk) 16:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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