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I'm currently working on a whole series of articles covering both armed and political struggle of Poland in World War II. This is going to be the main article of the whole series, with short description of what the Secret State was, how it was formed and what happened to it. This article will also cover the political structure of both the Polish Government in Exile and its country-based branches (including the secret parliament). The main navbox would include links to the following:
It might take several days to complete this project. Please be so kind as to leave this article as it is for now, I promise to let everybody know as soon as it is ready. [[User:Halibutt| Halibu tt]] 00:02, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)
This article will soon be expanded and/or splitted into several subarticles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Poland/Periodization. I am not sure which should be the state page and which should be the history page article, though... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:36, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Any particular reason the last sentence of the introduction trails off like that? -- Astronouth7303 03:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
GL and AL weren't parts of the secret state, they killed or denounced hundreds of Polish activists. They should be removed from this article.
The article ignore Polish underground adminstration. Xx236 09:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
By whom? The Polish article defines the Secret State and the English one doesn't even mention that definition. Xx236 09:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I need to verify an archival reference, possibly for use in this or other articles, to an underground (?) organization called Obòz Polski Walczącej (OPZ), active in Nazi-occupied Poland. Searches in the English-language and Polish Wikipedias have been inconclusive; a search via Google yielded only Polish-language sites I'm unable to read. Thanks, Deborahjay 09:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Does this secret state have a name? I would like to know this. Jelleh 30 00:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Please add de:Polnischer Untergrundstaat to the article, the Spam Protection Filter won´t allow me to save. -- Robertberlin 23:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Including this entity in the templates of Polish States is dubious. But should it remain, a time frame of its existence should be included in the article. Dr. Dan ( talk) 22:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Your opinions are interesting. And the PRL, do you believe it was a puppet state? And what was it's final goal? Dr. Dan ( talk) 13:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
While the Polish Secret State represented both the majority and the mainstream of Polish political parties and resistance organizations, it was not totally inclusive (the two notable exceptions include the communists and some of the right-wing extremists). The current Polish Secret State is hence misleading.
As far as I can tell, the big picture was like this: the Secret State was primarily composed of the Big Four ( PPS-WRN, SL, SN and SP) who formed the Political Consultative Committee in 1940. SP as far as I can tell never had a resistance organization. SD was not a major player and survived mostly in exile, again, I don't recall it had any resistance organization in occupied Poland. GL WRN was quite loyal to the Secret State, as were for the most part BCh of SL - although parts of the latter would later join the communists (we need to find more info on how big of a part switch sides in 1944). The far-right NOW and NSZ of SN were split between pro-Secret State factions and pro-autonomy factions. I am not completly clear on the relation between the Secret State and Camp of National Unity (OZON) and its OPW who seem to be subordinate to the Secret State and AK but perhaps not to its full extent. KN of ONR would eventually join AK, but Związek Jaszczurczy was for the most part independent and represented the founding part of NSZ (when part of NOW joined AK) and later when NSZ joined AK was the secessionist part (basically ONR recognized the government in exile but not the delegatura representatives). Finally, I never heard of the Bund, Hashomer Hatzair and Betar being part of the Polish Secret State; although honestly I would have to research what was the political representation of Polish Jews after the 1930 dissolution of the Bloc of National Minorities. That of course makes the inclusion of ŻOB and ŻŻW a question mark.
Certainly, PPR (communists) and its GL/AL military arm were NOT part of the Polish Secret State and can be removed from the template. I would like to mark some of the right-wing parties and organizations who did not fully endorse the Secret State somehow (color, italic) - and as for the Jewish organizations, we need to do some more research.
Comments appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I have rewritten the template.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 05:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Here's a thought. The Polish term is Polskie Państwo Podziemne - Polish Underground State. Now, Polish Secret State yields 12 hits on Google Print ( [1]), and Polish Underground State yields 416 ( [2]). With all due respect to Karski, even the Polish wiki distinguish between his book ( pl:Tajne państwo) and the article about the underground state. Hence I'd like to suggest a move to the Polish Underground State, unless there are any compelling argument to keep the current title? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 12:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd say let's move it to Polish Underground State. As long as both terms are mentioned in the header all seems fine. // Halibu tt 01:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm having a problem with this article. I feel that it is just a renaming of the non-communist resistance, and didn't have the cohesion needed to be called a state. If only a few (or only one) recent writer uses this term, then it is also ahistorical. Blast Ulna ( talk) 13:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Based on chapters from Salmonowicz:
-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Looking pretty good IMO. I've ticked the supporting materials box for B-Class as the article has an infobox and map, but left the citations and coverage boxes as is. First off, two paras under History don't finish with citations. More importantly, there appears to be a heavy reliance on only one source. Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 06:17, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
While I still believe the article is B-class ready, I also didn't realize that Garliński's article was available online. I will use it to expand the article shortly. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:19, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
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The State opposed collaboration. The subject isn't mentioned here. Xx236 ( talk) 06:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
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I'm currently working on a whole series of articles covering both armed and political struggle of Poland in World War II. This is going to be the main article of the whole series, with short description of what the Secret State was, how it was formed and what happened to it. This article will also cover the political structure of both the Polish Government in Exile and its country-based branches (including the secret parliament). The main navbox would include links to the following:
It might take several days to complete this project. Please be so kind as to leave this article as it is for now, I promise to let everybody know as soon as it is ready. [[User:Halibutt| Halibu tt]] 00:02, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)
This article will soon be expanded and/or splitted into several subarticles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Poland/Periodization. I am not sure which should be the state page and which should be the history page article, though... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:36, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Any particular reason the last sentence of the introduction trails off like that? -- Astronouth7303 03:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
GL and AL weren't parts of the secret state, they killed or denounced hundreds of Polish activists. They should be removed from this article.
The article ignore Polish underground adminstration. Xx236 09:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
By whom? The Polish article defines the Secret State and the English one doesn't even mention that definition. Xx236 09:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I need to verify an archival reference, possibly for use in this or other articles, to an underground (?) organization called Obòz Polski Walczącej (OPZ), active in Nazi-occupied Poland. Searches in the English-language and Polish Wikipedias have been inconclusive; a search via Google yielded only Polish-language sites I'm unable to read. Thanks, Deborahjay 09:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Does this secret state have a name? I would like to know this. Jelleh 30 00:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Please add de:Polnischer Untergrundstaat to the article, the Spam Protection Filter won´t allow me to save. -- Robertberlin 23:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Including this entity in the templates of Polish States is dubious. But should it remain, a time frame of its existence should be included in the article. Dr. Dan ( talk) 22:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Your opinions are interesting. And the PRL, do you believe it was a puppet state? And what was it's final goal? Dr. Dan ( talk) 13:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
While the Polish Secret State represented both the majority and the mainstream of Polish political parties and resistance organizations, it was not totally inclusive (the two notable exceptions include the communists and some of the right-wing extremists). The current Polish Secret State is hence misleading.
As far as I can tell, the big picture was like this: the Secret State was primarily composed of the Big Four ( PPS-WRN, SL, SN and SP) who formed the Political Consultative Committee in 1940. SP as far as I can tell never had a resistance organization. SD was not a major player and survived mostly in exile, again, I don't recall it had any resistance organization in occupied Poland. GL WRN was quite loyal to the Secret State, as were for the most part BCh of SL - although parts of the latter would later join the communists (we need to find more info on how big of a part switch sides in 1944). The far-right NOW and NSZ of SN were split between pro-Secret State factions and pro-autonomy factions. I am not completly clear on the relation between the Secret State and Camp of National Unity (OZON) and its OPW who seem to be subordinate to the Secret State and AK but perhaps not to its full extent. KN of ONR would eventually join AK, but Związek Jaszczurczy was for the most part independent and represented the founding part of NSZ (when part of NOW joined AK) and later when NSZ joined AK was the secessionist part (basically ONR recognized the government in exile but not the delegatura representatives). Finally, I never heard of the Bund, Hashomer Hatzair and Betar being part of the Polish Secret State; although honestly I would have to research what was the political representation of Polish Jews after the 1930 dissolution of the Bloc of National Minorities. That of course makes the inclusion of ŻOB and ŻŻW a question mark.
Certainly, PPR (communists) and its GL/AL military arm were NOT part of the Polish Secret State and can be removed from the template. I would like to mark some of the right-wing parties and organizations who did not fully endorse the Secret State somehow (color, italic) - and as for the Jewish organizations, we need to do some more research.
Comments appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I have rewritten the template.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 05:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Here's a thought. The Polish term is Polskie Państwo Podziemne - Polish Underground State. Now, Polish Secret State yields 12 hits on Google Print ( [1]), and Polish Underground State yields 416 ( [2]). With all due respect to Karski, even the Polish wiki distinguish between his book ( pl:Tajne państwo) and the article about the underground state. Hence I'd like to suggest a move to the Polish Underground State, unless there are any compelling argument to keep the current title? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 12:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd say let's move it to Polish Underground State. As long as both terms are mentioned in the header all seems fine. // Halibu tt 01:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm having a problem with this article. I feel that it is just a renaming of the non-communist resistance, and didn't have the cohesion needed to be called a state. If only a few (or only one) recent writer uses this term, then it is also ahistorical. Blast Ulna ( talk) 13:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Based on chapters from Salmonowicz:
-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Looking pretty good IMO. I've ticked the supporting materials box for B-Class as the article has an infobox and map, but left the citations and coverage boxes as is. First off, two paras under History don't finish with citations. More importantly, there appears to be a heavy reliance on only one source. Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 06:17, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
While I still believe the article is B-class ready, I also didn't realize that Garliński's article was available online. I will use it to expand the article shortly. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:19, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
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The State opposed collaboration. The subject isn't mentioned here. Xx236 ( talk) 06:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)