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Information about the Armenian genocide has been deleted from this article. It is relevent because the main figures who have started the genocide are pan-turkists and there are enough RSs about their roles. I'll be adding relevent information in the history section. Kevo327 ( talk) 15:17, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Turkish and Azerbaijani students are imbued with textbooks making "absurdly inflated" claims that all Eurasian nomads, including the Scythians, and all civilizations on the territory of the Ottoman Empire, such as Sumer, ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, the Byzantine Empire, to even further that Native Americans, pre-Columbus civilizations like Aztec Empire, Incan Empire and Maya civilization, to even Sub-Saharan Africa, were of Turkic origin.
Aside from the Eurasian nomads (and a bunch of cultures like Afanasievo, Andronovo etc.) we don't learn these people as if they were of Turkic origin. The source I gave here was 9th grade Turkish history textbook, which verifies my claim. If the link doesn't seem reliable (it's just a PDF file of the textbook), I understand, but I have to tell that the "information" above is false (except for the Eurasian nomads/Scythians). It is just the exaggerations, mostly promoted with the Turkish History Thesis, and nowadays with little to no believers. -- Isvind ( talk) 13:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Pan-Turkism is the goal to unite all the Turkic nations and it concerns Turkic nations as an ideology. Why do you need a section like "Criticism", where Armenian, Russian, Iranian and even American opinions are also present; while no other pan-...ism pages include such a thing? -- Isvind ( talk) 15:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello @ Isvind:, I'm going to ask you to explain your rationale here [ 1]. This is your second revision and removal of the sourced information, which is clearly stated in the last paragraph of 107 page, and in the start of 108 page of the book [ 2]. Kindly read WP:OR, and please stop edit-warring, as your account may be blocked if reported. Regards, ZaniGiovanni ( talk) 17:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
@ ZaniGiovanni:, in the source given it is written that we learn those people mentioned at school. Telling these were to make students think they were of Turkic origin is what the writer thought and not a certain fact. Besides, I took the word "implied" directly from the source, it doesn't represent my POV.-- Isvind ( talk) 18:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
isvind, the civilisations and nations you deleted are mentioned elsewhere throughout the book, the aztecs on pages 171-172 for example. I think you should revert that edit too. - Kevo327 ( talk) 20:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Clive Foss's argument on how Armenian names are changed into Turkish and some other things doesn't concern all Turkic peoples and Pan-Turkism in general. It is only about Turkey's policies and Turkish nationalism, not Turkic nationalism. -- Isvind ( talk) 18:40, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Turkey never had the idea of "Turkic unification" as a state policy, that can be understood by Erdoğan's expressions about nationalism. How can we say that Turkey failed its ambitions over Turkic countries while it didn't even take it as a core ambition? BerkBerk68 talk 16:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Encyclopaedia Iranica shows that Nader Shah attempted to create a Pan-Turkmen entity including Karluks, [3] which makes it more of a pre doctrine Pan-Turkic ambitions. section should be restored. BerkBerk68 talk 12:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
The topic should be moved to its own article, it takes up unnecessary space here. Blubluman ( talk) 22:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Where are those people who reverted my changes? Blubluman ( talk) 05:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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Information about the Armenian genocide has been deleted from this article. It is relevent because the main figures who have started the genocide are pan-turkists and there are enough RSs about their roles. I'll be adding relevent information in the history section. Kevo327 ( talk) 15:17, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Turkish and Azerbaijani students are imbued with textbooks making "absurdly inflated" claims that all Eurasian nomads, including the Scythians, and all civilizations on the territory of the Ottoman Empire, such as Sumer, ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, the Byzantine Empire, to even further that Native Americans, pre-Columbus civilizations like Aztec Empire, Incan Empire and Maya civilization, to even Sub-Saharan Africa, were of Turkic origin.
Aside from the Eurasian nomads (and a bunch of cultures like Afanasievo, Andronovo etc.) we don't learn these people as if they were of Turkic origin. The source I gave here was 9th grade Turkish history textbook, which verifies my claim. If the link doesn't seem reliable (it's just a PDF file of the textbook), I understand, but I have to tell that the "information" above is false (except for the Eurasian nomads/Scythians). It is just the exaggerations, mostly promoted with the Turkish History Thesis, and nowadays with little to no believers. -- Isvind ( talk) 13:35, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Pan-Turkism is the goal to unite all the Turkic nations and it concerns Turkic nations as an ideology. Why do you need a section like "Criticism", where Armenian, Russian, Iranian and even American opinions are also present; while no other pan-...ism pages include such a thing? -- Isvind ( talk) 15:07, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello @ Isvind:, I'm going to ask you to explain your rationale here [ 1]. This is your second revision and removal of the sourced information, which is clearly stated in the last paragraph of 107 page, and in the start of 108 page of the book [ 2]. Kindly read WP:OR, and please stop edit-warring, as your account may be blocked if reported. Regards, ZaniGiovanni ( talk) 17:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
@ ZaniGiovanni:, in the source given it is written that we learn those people mentioned at school. Telling these were to make students think they were of Turkic origin is what the writer thought and not a certain fact. Besides, I took the word "implied" directly from the source, it doesn't represent my POV.-- Isvind ( talk) 18:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
isvind, the civilisations and nations you deleted are mentioned elsewhere throughout the book, the aztecs on pages 171-172 for example. I think you should revert that edit too. - Kevo327 ( talk) 20:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Clive Foss's argument on how Armenian names are changed into Turkish and some other things doesn't concern all Turkic peoples and Pan-Turkism in general. It is only about Turkey's policies and Turkish nationalism, not Turkic nationalism. -- Isvind ( talk) 18:40, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Turkey never had the idea of "Turkic unification" as a state policy, that can be understood by Erdoğan's expressions about nationalism. How can we say that Turkey failed its ambitions over Turkic countries while it didn't even take it as a core ambition? BerkBerk68 talk 16:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Encyclopaedia Iranica shows that Nader Shah attempted to create a Pan-Turkmen entity including Karluks, [3] which makes it more of a pre doctrine Pan-Turkic ambitions. section should be restored. BerkBerk68 talk 12:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
The topic should be moved to its own article, it takes up unnecessary space here. Blubluman ( talk) 22:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Where are those people who reverted my changes? Blubluman ( talk) 05:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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