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Regarding to the Zero0000's revert:
I return the previous version, and I'd ask to explain your revert's description here:
Please also paid attention for the following sources:
etc. -- Igorp_lj ( talk) 21:52, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
there is a notable discrepancy between the words on the source page "{{About|the historical geographic region|the state (country)|State of Palestine" and the title on the page itself which is not only absent that this discusses a "historical geographic region", but also misleads the reader that it refers to "palestine" the state which the government called "palestinean authority" is attempting to add to- which lacks any "coast" in contrast to some misleading links that show "coast" of "palestine" i request that the title reveal this content from the source page and that those authorized to edit reveal the words in the article itself, the words in the source page [1] 147.236.34.10 ( talk) 08:06, 26 May 2015 (UTC) 147.236.34.10 ( talk) 08:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: procedurally closed. This is already being discussed at another RM. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:28, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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It is proposed to rename Jewish insurgency in Palestine → Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine.
Please discuss it on Jewish insurgency in Palestine talk page. GreyShark ( dibra) 15:00, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
If we are already talking about Modern changes, insteed of using the often used Palestinian propaganda 4 maps structure with the title "Shrinking Palestine" (a simple google search will show it.
My suggestion is the rewrite the whole section and remake all the maps.
It should talk about:
-- Bolter21 11:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Please correct (or add ) that province name under Achaemenid was Yehud_Medinata and not only Idumaea between 539 to ~332 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.26.149.138 ( talk) 08:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
Yehud_(Babylonian_province) had been a province of the Neo-Babylonian Empire since the suppression of the Judean rebellion in 585/6 BCE. It first existed as a Jewish administrative division of the Neo-Babylonian Empire under Gedaliah, though it quickly became depopulated after his murder and another unsuccessful revolt around 581/2 BCE. The province was absorbed into the Achaemenid Empire with the collapse of the Chaldean Dynasty in 539 BCE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.26.149.138 ( talk) 08:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
alejandro was here
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@ Davidbena: see the two references to Josephus in Timeline of the name "Palestine". The Against Apion reference is widely considered to be referring to Jews and Palestinians as the same thing. Onceinawhile ( talk) 14:10, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Based on the way Josephus uses these terms in other areas of his work, I think he is saying the equivalent of: "About the same time it was that Simon his brother went over all Catalonia and Spain as far as Madrid". Onceinawhile ( talk) 17:11, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Most of the Josephus references differentiate the two terms. Mostly referring to the Philistines. It is possible that in one passage (Antiquities 20.259) when writing for a foreign audience Josephus refers to the whole area as Palestine. As Louis Feldman shows use of the term Palestine is rare in Jewish literature. See [ [3]] p564-565 Jonney2000 ( talk) 18:18, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
I suggest we move this discussion to Talk:Timeline of the name "Palestine". Much of the commentary above is already in there, and more can be added as appropriate. Onceinawhile ( talk) 20:28, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Malik Shabazz I noticed where you cited WP:LEADCITE concerning an edit made by me in the lede and where I had provided sources, albeit two out of a whopping 14. Still, the edit there was important, as the "unsourced statements" in the lede seemed to beg for an immediate source of confirmation. The policy regarding citing references in the lede paragraph is not so black & white, as it says explicitly: "...there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus." I was of the impression that other editors were pleased with the edit and wanted it to stand. Davidbena ( talk) 00:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
David. You require secondary sources. If you want to make a start on understanding the contradictions in Joseph (and every other ancient historian's) geographical and toponymic references, begin with Ben-Zion Rosenfeld, 'Flavius Josephus and His Portrayal of the Coast (Paralia) of Contemporary Roman Palestine: Geography and Ideology,' in The Jewish Quarterly Review, Vol. 91, No. 1/2 July-October, 2000 pp.143-183. Regards Nishidani ( talk) 14:02, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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Where it states that the name 'Palestine' was used by ancient Greek authors, could reference please be cited, as most historians date that name after the Roman occupation of Judea, thus ante-dating most Greek authors of note. 202.142.135.112 ( talk) 23:24, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Can somebody explain why any of the editors attempting to change the long-standing consensus on the order of the names, and edit-warring to do so, have yet to make any attempt to explain their edits on this talk page? nableezy - 14:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
As far as "most used", exactly how often is פלשתינה used to describe this area? Id imagine not very often since at least the demise of the British mandate. The Arabic is however currently used as the name for this place. nableezy - 22:06, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
I'd agree that as a historical region that is currently not a state, it'd make sense to list the languages in historical order. I'd suggest Akkadian as the first one ( Statue of Idrimi; Idrimi fled to Canaan in the 16thC BC). This is clearly before any Philistines arrived from the Aegean and before any Abrahamic descendants immigrated from Turkey, their native land. [1]. Haran is, of course, in Turkey. Idrimi's attestation, furthermore, is two thousand years before the Arab invasion of the Roman Provinces of Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Secunda, which is very recent (AD 636). XavierItzm ( talk) 07:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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4 And Abram went, as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him, and Abram was seventy five years old when he left Haran. דוַיֵּ֣לֶךְ אַבְרָ֗ם כַּֽאֲשֶׁ֨ר דִּבֶּ֤ר אֵלָיו֙ יְהֹוָ֔ה וַיֵּ֥לֶךְ אִתּ֖וֹ ל֑וֹט וְאַבְרָ֗ם בֶּן־חָמֵ֤שׁ שָׁנִים֙ וְשִׁבְעִ֣ים שָׁנָ֔ה בְּצֵאת֖וֹ מֵֽחָרָֽן: 5 And Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his brother's son, and all their possessions that they had acquired, and the souls they had acquired in Haran, and they went to go to the land of Canaan, and they came to the land of Canaan. הוַיִּקַּ֣ח אַבְרָם֩ אֶת־שָׂרַ֨י אִשְׁתּ֜וֹ וְאֶת־ל֣וֹט בֶּן־אָחִ֗יו וְאֶת־כָּל־רְכוּשָׁם֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר רָכָ֔שׁוּ וְאֶת־הַנֶּ֖פֶשׁ אֲשֶׁר־עָשׂ֣וּ בְחָ֑רָן וַיֵּֽצְא֗וּ לָלֶ֨כֶת֙
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I removed The root of the name "philistines" comes from PLŠ (פלש) which in both Canaanite and Hebrew (a Canaanite dialect) means: "Invader" (פולש). sourced to this. I dont actually see, in the translation of the page I could generate, any etymology for philistines. I see a translation for פולש, the rest is unsourced. nableezy - 22:09, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Please review this table I'd like to add to help readers get a quick overview. Ythlev ( talk) 18:45, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Area | Administered by | Recognition of governing authority | Claimed by | Recognition of claim | |
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Gaza Strip | Hamas | None | State of Palestine | 137 UN member states | |
West Bank | Area A | Palestinian National Authority (PA) | Witnesses to the Oslo II Accord | ||
Area B | PA and Israel | ||||
Area C | Israel | ||||
East Jerusalem | Honduras, Guatemala, Nauru, and the United States | China | |||
West Jerusalem | Australia, Russia, Czechia, Honduras, Guatemala, Nauru, and the United States | United Nations as an international city | Various UN member states and the European Union | ||
Golan Heights | United States | Syria | All UN member states except the United States | ||
Other areas of Israel | 163 UN member states | None |
I think that in the chart in the Overview section of History, "Crusader" should be moved from row "Independent" to "Europe". The Kingdom of Jerusalem was definitely a European-ruled thing. – Monkeyfume ( talk) 20:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
The lede in this English-language article gives pronunciation in several languages, but not for English speakers. "Pal-a-STYNE" is usually heard, but confusingly in Texas a town with that spelling is called "Pal-a-STEEN." (Possibly because many placenames in the states bordering Mexico have a Spanish flair even if not derived from that language.) Casey ( talk) 14:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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Palestine is a country under occupation. 89.64.31.115 ( talk) 15:21, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The term is generally accepted to be a translation of the Biblical name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth, usually transliterated as Philistia).
This line is preceded by two paragraphs that list earlier instances or at least variants of the term. It should be made a bit clearer on what exactly is meant by it. Prinsgezinde ( talk) 13:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
and that is is named after the plhistin, a nation invading from overseas (probaly cyprus)
{Edit semi-protected} is needed as i cant edit it , or someone who could would add this fact by himself. The article makes it look like this name has no meaning -- Dor25 ( talk) 15:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
it is not written in there -- Dor25 ( talk) 15:47, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
From the beginning of this article, I got confused: "Palestine...is a geographic region". "Geographic" is a problematic not only because it is a political statement but also historically. It is seen that over the time, the term "Palestine"\Philistines used for several historical periods. Cambridge [6] defines it as period's time of Rome history. After Bar Kokhba revolt, Kingdom of Judah called Syria Palaestina.
Why it was called Palaestina? We don't know certainly - it is a political argue. Shortly (from what I read), Pro - Israel said that Philistines lived on southern coastal plain of Canaan. After Bar Kokhba revolt, Rome removed any memory of Israel and change her name to name that base on an old name of group which lived on southern coastal plain of Canaan - Philistines - . [see Pillars of Smoke and Fire - The Holy Land in History and Thought]. The Palestinians today said that they are the same Philistines which lived on Israel from Philistines era…
Now the history of Palaestina and Philistines mixed together without no expansion why, when it the change happen, etc. It also mixed with the "history of Israel" and periods were the land, (which they fight on) were called different names! Those name need to appear on Wikipedia rather than a political terms. Today we called Jerusalem - Jerusalem but it is also called Aelia Capitolina. The used in those names are for exploding different periods in time not to explaining different point of views which from my eyes this article is all about.
In other word, I suggested to give more background to the Palestine history and perhaps the political fight, because right now I got confused – subject appear to be on History of Israel and History of Palestine – when they mean to the same event which happen on the same land! (just with different point of view). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.65.149.113 ( talk) 09:16, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
"Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina": What is meant by "Hebrew"? Should this be changed to "Modern Hebrew," a somewhat different language from Biblical Hebrew? What is the first instance in the history of the Hebrew language to פלשתינה ? If the term does not occur in the Tanakh, I suggest that the plain term "Hebrew" should not be used, but a more specific term, like Modern Hebrew. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 04:02, 14 June 2016 (UTC))
This is simply crazy, anyone that uses פלשתינה in Hebrew will get unbelievable ractions then will consider very radical left. The name in Hebrew is ארץ ישראל and using another name here is *clear* violation of NPOV. Troll Refaim ( talk) 17:06, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
If the Egyptian "Peleshet" is the name of the Philistines (which is the majority opinion these days), then the name predates the first known appearance of the Hebrew language. This makes it extremely dubious that the origin of the name was a Hebrew word for "invader". That was a popular theory in the 19th century and I don't doubt that it can still be found lurking here or there, but it isn't one supported by modern scholarship. At Philistines, this claim is cited to page 1185 of a dictionary of Jastrow. My Hebrew is crap, but I don't see it there. I see an entry for פלש (to divide, go though, penetrate, perforate) and a separate entry for פלשתי (Philistine). I do not see "invade" given as a meaning and I do not see any connection made between the two entries. Zero talk 02:48, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Your condescension is charming as always Nish. Egyptian inscriptions are found earlier but reconstructions date the Semitic language family splitting from proto-Afroasiatic before Egyptian, which is highly divergent.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:13, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Are you talking about the Pelasgian theory? There's really not much evidence for that besides linguistic similarity. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:14, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
That was the name temporarily appended to the illegal Jordanian occupation of Judaea and Samaria, the correct names going back several millennia. Using the term 'West Bank' is typical Wikipedia politicisation and POV (and we all know which way that always tends). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.112.95 ( talk) 18:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
In the beginning of the article we learn that "Palestine (
Arabic: فلسطين Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn;
Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē;
Latin: Palaestina;
Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina)." However, in Israeli (i.e., modern) Hebrew, the name for this region is not פלשתינה (Palestina) but rather ארץ ישראל (Eretz Yisrael); no Hebrew speaker nowadays would call it "Palestine," plain and simple (except for within specific contexts, like when discussing the region under British rule).
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reverted my edit, claiming that "this is already in the lead. It is covered in a separate article. These are not equivalent concepts." I'm sorry, but this is simply not the case when it comes to Hebrew, where the two terms are completely interchangeable, and the one in use in the vast majority of cases is "Eretz Yisrael."
Historically, for the most part of the past two millenia, Hebrew texts have refered to the region as "Eretz Yisrael." True: in the 19th century and until the foundation of the state of Israel in the middle of the 20th century, the term "Palestine" was also in use in Hebrew. That being said, today the region is almost never called "Palestina" but almost exclusively "Eretz Yisrael." That's just a fact. It may, of course, have political implications (like virtually anything connected with Israel/Palestine), but this doesn't change the sheer truth regarding Hebrew onomastics.
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Since it was called Israel in the 13th Century BC which is long before "Palastina" by Herodotus in the 5th Century BC. It was called "Cna'an", then "Israel", then "Israel" and "Judah", and only then "Palestina". There is no reason calling it "Palestine" unless it's a political stance by Wikipedia's users. And it's not "nonsense", user:sakiv, it's the accurate course of history.
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Change last paragraph of top section:
to delete the parenthetical phrase "(i.e. the Palestinian territories)"
Justification: To identify the phrase " State of Palestine" with the phrase " Palestinian territories" is of dubious correctness and neutrality. Those who recognise the State of Palestine as a valid sovereign state do not agree that it is the same thing as the "Palestinian territories". But conversely, I don't think those who reject the existence of the State of Palestine as a valid sovereign state would agree with identifying it with the phrase "Palestinian territories" either – to them, the former is an invalid concept and the later a real one. The relationship between the two concepts "State of Palestine" and "Palestinian territories" is complex, and trying to explain the relationship in a way which is fair to both sides of the Palestinian statehood debate is even more difficult. Rather than trying to address those complexities in the introduction, I think it would be easier just to leave the parenthetical phrase "(i.e. the Palestinian territories)" out entirely. Mr248 ( talk) 00:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Add under section (2.8 British mandate and partition), first paragraph, change "The British secured Jerusalem in December 1917.", to the following: "The British made the Balfour Declaration in November 1917; and controlled Jerusalem by December 1917" 100.37.88.146 ( talk) 02:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
In the Map the borders of the Byzantine provinces of Palestine, The borders of Mandatory Palestine and the "borders of Palestine" are showen. The last one is the problematic. This border is not an acual de-facto border following the
6 days war and the occupation of Judea and Samaria (
West Bank). The border it self was created in the
1949 Armistice Agreements and is called
Green Line (Israel).
This line was the border of Israel until 1967 and when Israel took controll over the Judea and Samaria (
West Bank) and the [Gaza Strip]] the border was not an International border anymore simply because No state was in the other side of the border anymore. Before that, there were Jordan and Egypt
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[2]. In 1967, the State of Palestine wasn't even an idea since the
State of Palestine was declared in
1988 but as a PLO Goverment-in-exile.
In
1995, Israel signed a peace-treaty with the
PLO and devided the West Bank and Gaza into 3 zones
[3]. Since then Israel and the PLO made some agreements and acts that gave more lands to the
Palestinian National Authority
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[5]. In 2012, the PNA was accepted to the UN as a UN observer member and therefore the leader,
Abu Mazen, changed the official name of the PNA to "State of Palestine" for the political reasons. Today, no change was made to the borders, the original boundries of the PA with some changes stayed and therefore, this is not "The border of the State of Palestine", this is the "CLAIM of the State of Palestine" following the fact that almost none of the PNA's enclaves touches the greenline with a few exeptions of small villages.Cite error: A <ref>
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Here are examples of pages that show De-Jure claims and/or De-Facto controll and other examples of De-Facto borders showen:
I was not suprised that after we saw all this maps, the map in the Israel's article, showes only the De-Jure of the 49's agreement line, without the Desputed Jerusalem, without the annexation of the Golan Highets and without the Palestinian Territories.
Is it a coincidance that all the places where there are De-Jure borders and De-Facto borders, both are showen but in Israel-Palestine related, it's always as if Israel is just on the original borders and the Palestinian somehow hold more lands then the lands of the PA?
The line "Borders of the State of Palestine" in the map's decription needs to be changed to "Claims of the State of Palestine" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bolter21 ( talk • contribs) 11:44, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
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State of Palestine has it, and so should this page Unbeatable101 ( talk) 18:34, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
The page says that the ancient Greeks referred to the area as Palestine. I’ve never read any source for this. Additionally, it says that the region was controlled by a number of societies which preceded references to the region as Palestine including eras controlled during Achaemenids era and Jewish Hasmonean kingdom. It seems much more accurate to edit the page to reflect that prior to being referred to as Palestine, the area was known as Judea. Emmett87 ( talk) 04:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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The land of the kingdom of israel was never known as palestine befoew. Palestine was a name give to the greater areas including Egypt, israle, jordan, syria and lebanon. The name palestine was only given by the romans to disassociate the name "Judah" (juda=jew) from jewish roots 2A02:C7F:FEB4:A600:CDFD:2C7B:9768:C6DC ( talk) 09:33, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Under the Demographics section heading in section 5.2, a quote is given as:
[T]he first half century of Ottoman rule brought a sharp increase in population. The towns grew rapidly, villages became larger and more numerous, and there was an extensive development of agriculture, industry, and trade. The two last were certamly helped to no small extent by the influx of Spanish and other Western Jews.
The word "certamly" is clearly a typo intended to mean "certainly." This glaring typo should be edited by a qualified editor immediately.
-- WikEdits5 ( talk) 07:33, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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08:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)Red and green outlines are not ideal for those with red green colorblindness. Is it absolutely necessary to use those in the map? 47.198.66.117 ( talk) 12:14, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Is it possible to add the area, but without the Golan Heights? but due to the ongoing dispute over the ownership of land, it is difficult to determine the exact area of the region that includes the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, and Israel. In the article Mandatory Palestine, the area is estimated 25,585.3 km2 (9,878.5 sq mi). I will add it to the Infobox Sarah SchneiderCH ( talk) 14:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Peter coxhead: regarding this revert: really? We don't have the Latin and Greek names in the opening of Egypt or the Anglo-Norman or Old English names in the opening of England yet they are surely just as "relevant historically". DeCausa ( talk) 09:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name may be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses. For example, an article about a location in a non-English-speaking country will typically include the local-language equivalent:with this example following - Chernivtsi Oblast (Ukrainian: Чернівецька область, Chernivetska oblast) It's quite clear this should only reflect current usage. The Latin and Greek names can be discussed in the body of the article. Including these historical names clutters the first sentence and affects readability. DeCausa ( talk) 09:44, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
The correct identification of the Peleset does not refer to Palestine, instead it is in reference to a group of people that have been somewhat elusive in the historical record. In the contrary, it is known that the Peleset were part of a group called The Sea Peoples. “The Sea Peoples remain unidentified in the eyes of most modern scholars, and hypotheses regarding the origin of the various groups are the source of much speculation. Existing theories variously propose that they were any of several Aegean tribes, raiders from Central Europe, scattered soldiers who turned to piracy or became refugees, or even migrants linked to natural disasters such as earthquakes or climatic shifts.” Drews 1995, pp. 48–61
The Peleset does not give rise to Palestine or the Palestinian people. 2603:6010:DA01:FA89:F9C4:2636:A456:602A ( talk) 14:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
It is safe to say that most everyone believes that Jesus existed,and contemporary historians mentioned him and his followers. There is as much evidence that He existed, as there is for any other figure of this period. 2600:1700:F2F0:BFA0:B8F5:9F1D:FF1F:CDC0 ( talk) 14:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Restore time/year reference symbols to: "BC ##" and "AD ##." BCE or CE is bogus; an attempt to obliterate historical/significant events on Earth. 74.79.219.34 ( talk) 12:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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Please change Palestine region as Palestine is a country and not a region. 147.161.237.109 ( talk) 08:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Jewish immigration is notably absent from both the British mandate period and the demographics section. Makeandtoss ( talk) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Wlbw68: @ Dovidroth: "The Jewish leadership accepted the proposal, but the Arab Higher Committee rejected it" this is not a summary, this is an oversimplification that is misleading, which is clear by both the refusal to elaborate properly on it, or have it removed. Makeandtoss ( talk) 10:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
I think that a mention on the ongoing war should be added to this paragraph inside history section (I bold the proposal):
In 2000, the Second Intifada (also called al-Aqsa Intifada) began, and Israel built a separation barrier. In the 2005 Israeli disengagement from Gaza, Israel withdrew all settlers and military presence from the Gaza Strip, but maintained military control of numerous aspects of the territory including its borders, air space and coast. In 2023, after an attack by Hamas, Israel entered again Gaza after heavy bombing. Israel's ongoing military occupation of the Gaza Strip, the West Bank and East Jerusalem continues to be the world's longest military occupation in modern times. Theklan ( talk) 09:34, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
The original mandatory Palestine is actually not the Gaza strip, Israel and the west bank aka Judaea and Samaria alone but all of this plus today's Jordan. -- Slow Phil ( talk) 21:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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The claim is made that the region nowdays called Palestine was called by the Egyptians Peleset and by the Assyrians Palashtu (after the name of the Pleshet, part of the Sea People). To the best of my knowledge, this claim is not correct, as the most of the region was actually named Canaan at the time, and Pleshet was only the region along the southern Mediterranean coast, were the invading Pleshet Sea People settled down during the Bronze Age collapse). I think this distinction should be made. 2A02:1210:6AC5:5A00:788F:A9A5:9189:9D0 ( talk) 13:11, 3 December 2023 (UTC) NOt according to reliable sources (see wp:rs). Slatersteven ( talk) 13:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
To the best of my knowledgeWe cannot rely on your knowledge, do you have reliable sources that support your view? Selfstudier ( talk) 13:24, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Re: Recent edits regarding trajectory of evolution from “Peleset” to “Palestine”. Just because Peleset has a basis in name origin to the general regional concept of Palestine does not make it “Palestine” (so far as the article is concerned). Distinction and evolution of terms are important here, and should be appropriately noted. 12th century BCE records refer to a specific entity or group of people Peleset, which later fully ceased to exist before influencing the later terms “Palaistine” or “Palestine” that came into separate formation and use (hence the edit “later came to be referred to as” which I think is fully justified). These are two distinct items (with an influencing connection) and that should be made clear. Mistamystery ( talk) 15:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
A cognate of the name Palestine, ‘Peleset’, is found on five inscriptions as referring to the settlement of a people along the southern Palestinian...[10] Iskandar323 ( talk) 20:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
The article sets a very ancient date for the area being known as Palestine but does so by presuming that Peleset referred to Palestinians. In fact, this almost certainly referred to Philistines, a people expelled by Egypt, maybe about 2 centuries after Moses was expelled. Contrarily, at about the same time, there was a kingdom in coastal Syria known as Palistin. So, yes, "Peleset" seems similar to "Palestine," (especially figuring "ine" to be a Greek suffix), but given that we know Peleset referred to Philistines, and that there was a separate kingdom of Palestin, it seems unlikely to me, a non-academic on such a matter, that the Philistines gave the southern/western Lavant the name "Palestine," instead of Palestin. Or am I ignorant of something which has been left unsaid? 2600:8806:1002:4C00:9104:277C:7691:DF3F ( talk) 14:50, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
"At the time, Palestine's population was 1,845 thousand people, of which a minority of 608 thousand were Jews (33% of the population)."
The original numbers are 608,000 and 1,845,000 - I have no idea why they are presented in this confusing way (half numbers, half words) 194.223.4.117 ( talk) 02:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
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“ The first written records referring to Palestine emerged in the 12th-century BCE Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt, which used the term Peleset for a neighboring people or land.”
Edit request to either remove or clarify with source why a neighboring region is conflated with Palestine. 2603:8001:7401:6254:D031:6813:D5DA:61B7 ( talk) 23:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
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93.173.94.27 ( talk) 06:41, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
this is supposed to be called israel as people don’t know the fact that the roman’s renamed the land palestine
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Regarding to the Zero0000's revert:
I return the previous version, and I'd ask to explain your revert's description here:
Please also paid attention for the following sources:
etc. -- Igorp_lj ( talk) 21:52, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
there is a notable discrepancy between the words on the source page "{{About|the historical geographic region|the state (country)|State of Palestine" and the title on the page itself which is not only absent that this discusses a "historical geographic region", but also misleads the reader that it refers to "palestine" the state which the government called "palestinean authority" is attempting to add to- which lacks any "coast" in contrast to some misleading links that show "coast" of "palestine" i request that the title reveal this content from the source page and that those authorized to edit reveal the words in the article itself, the words in the source page [1] 147.236.34.10 ( talk) 08:06, 26 May 2015 (UTC) 147.236.34.10 ( talk) 08:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: procedurally closed. This is already being discussed at another RM. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:28, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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It is proposed to rename Jewish insurgency in Palestine → Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine.
Please discuss it on Jewish insurgency in Palestine talk page. GreyShark ( dibra) 15:00, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
If we are already talking about Modern changes, insteed of using the often used Palestinian propaganda 4 maps structure with the title "Shrinking Palestine" (a simple google search will show it.
My suggestion is the rewrite the whole section and remake all the maps.
It should talk about:
-- Bolter21 11:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Please correct (or add ) that province name under Achaemenid was Yehud_Medinata and not only Idumaea between 539 to ~332 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.26.149.138 ( talk) 08:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
Yehud_(Babylonian_province) had been a province of the Neo-Babylonian Empire since the suppression of the Judean rebellion in 585/6 BCE. It first existed as a Jewish administrative division of the Neo-Babylonian Empire under Gedaliah, though it quickly became depopulated after his murder and another unsuccessful revolt around 581/2 BCE. The province was absorbed into the Achaemenid Empire with the collapse of the Chaldean Dynasty in 539 BCE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.26.149.138 ( talk) 08:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
alejandro was here
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@ Davidbena: see the two references to Josephus in Timeline of the name "Palestine". The Against Apion reference is widely considered to be referring to Jews and Palestinians as the same thing. Onceinawhile ( talk) 14:10, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Based on the way Josephus uses these terms in other areas of his work, I think he is saying the equivalent of: "About the same time it was that Simon his brother went over all Catalonia and Spain as far as Madrid". Onceinawhile ( talk) 17:11, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Most of the Josephus references differentiate the two terms. Mostly referring to the Philistines. It is possible that in one passage (Antiquities 20.259) when writing for a foreign audience Josephus refers to the whole area as Palestine. As Louis Feldman shows use of the term Palestine is rare in Jewish literature. See [ [3]] p564-565 Jonney2000 ( talk) 18:18, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
I suggest we move this discussion to Talk:Timeline of the name "Palestine". Much of the commentary above is already in there, and more can be added as appropriate. Onceinawhile ( talk) 20:28, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Malik Shabazz I noticed where you cited WP:LEADCITE concerning an edit made by me in the lede and where I had provided sources, albeit two out of a whopping 14. Still, the edit there was important, as the "unsourced statements" in the lede seemed to beg for an immediate source of confirmation. The policy regarding citing references in the lede paragraph is not so black & white, as it says explicitly: "...there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus." I was of the impression that other editors were pleased with the edit and wanted it to stand. Davidbena ( talk) 00:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
David. You require secondary sources. If you want to make a start on understanding the contradictions in Joseph (and every other ancient historian's) geographical and toponymic references, begin with Ben-Zion Rosenfeld, 'Flavius Josephus and His Portrayal of the Coast (Paralia) of Contemporary Roman Palestine: Geography and Ideology,' in The Jewish Quarterly Review, Vol. 91, No. 1/2 July-October, 2000 pp.143-183. Regards Nishidani ( talk) 14:02, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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Where it states that the name 'Palestine' was used by ancient Greek authors, could reference please be cited, as most historians date that name after the Roman occupation of Judea, thus ante-dating most Greek authors of note. 202.142.135.112 ( talk) 23:24, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Can somebody explain why any of the editors attempting to change the long-standing consensus on the order of the names, and edit-warring to do so, have yet to make any attempt to explain their edits on this talk page? nableezy - 14:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
As far as "most used", exactly how often is פלשתינה used to describe this area? Id imagine not very often since at least the demise of the British mandate. The Arabic is however currently used as the name for this place. nableezy - 22:06, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
I'd agree that as a historical region that is currently not a state, it'd make sense to list the languages in historical order. I'd suggest Akkadian as the first one ( Statue of Idrimi; Idrimi fled to Canaan in the 16thC BC). This is clearly before any Philistines arrived from the Aegean and before any Abrahamic descendants immigrated from Turkey, their native land. [1]. Haran is, of course, in Turkey. Idrimi's attestation, furthermore, is two thousand years before the Arab invasion of the Roman Provinces of Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Secunda, which is very recent (AD 636). XavierItzm ( talk) 07:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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I removed The root of the name "philistines" comes from PLŠ (פלש) which in both Canaanite and Hebrew (a Canaanite dialect) means: "Invader" (פולש). sourced to this. I dont actually see, in the translation of the page I could generate, any etymology for philistines. I see a translation for פולש, the rest is unsourced. nableezy - 22:09, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Please review this table I'd like to add to help readers get a quick overview. Ythlev ( talk) 18:45, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Area | Administered by | Recognition of governing authority | Claimed by | Recognition of claim | |
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Gaza Strip | Hamas | None | State of Palestine | 137 UN member states | |
West Bank | Area A | Palestinian National Authority (PA) | Witnesses to the Oslo II Accord | ||
Area B | PA and Israel | ||||
Area C | Israel | ||||
East Jerusalem | Honduras, Guatemala, Nauru, and the United States | China | |||
West Jerusalem | Australia, Russia, Czechia, Honduras, Guatemala, Nauru, and the United States | United Nations as an international city | Various UN member states and the European Union | ||
Golan Heights | United States | Syria | All UN member states except the United States | ||
Other areas of Israel | 163 UN member states | None |
I think that in the chart in the Overview section of History, "Crusader" should be moved from row "Independent" to "Europe". The Kingdom of Jerusalem was definitely a European-ruled thing. – Monkeyfume ( talk) 20:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
The lede in this English-language article gives pronunciation in several languages, but not for English speakers. "Pal-a-STYNE" is usually heard, but confusingly in Texas a town with that spelling is called "Pal-a-STEEN." (Possibly because many placenames in the states bordering Mexico have a Spanish flair even if not derived from that language.) Casey ( talk) 14:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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Palestine is a country under occupation. 89.64.31.115 ( talk) 15:21, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The term is generally accepted to be a translation of the Biblical name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth, usually transliterated as Philistia).
This line is preceded by two paragraphs that list earlier instances or at least variants of the term. It should be made a bit clearer on what exactly is meant by it. Prinsgezinde ( talk) 13:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
and that is is named after the plhistin, a nation invading from overseas (probaly cyprus)
{Edit semi-protected} is needed as i cant edit it , or someone who could would add this fact by himself. The article makes it look like this name has no meaning -- Dor25 ( talk) 15:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
it is not written in there -- Dor25 ( talk) 15:47, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
From the beginning of this article, I got confused: "Palestine...is a geographic region". "Geographic" is a problematic not only because it is a political statement but also historically. It is seen that over the time, the term "Palestine"\Philistines used for several historical periods. Cambridge [6] defines it as period's time of Rome history. After Bar Kokhba revolt, Kingdom of Judah called Syria Palaestina.
Why it was called Palaestina? We don't know certainly - it is a political argue. Shortly (from what I read), Pro - Israel said that Philistines lived on southern coastal plain of Canaan. After Bar Kokhba revolt, Rome removed any memory of Israel and change her name to name that base on an old name of group which lived on southern coastal plain of Canaan - Philistines - . [see Pillars of Smoke and Fire - The Holy Land in History and Thought]. The Palestinians today said that they are the same Philistines which lived on Israel from Philistines era…
Now the history of Palaestina and Philistines mixed together without no expansion why, when it the change happen, etc. It also mixed with the "history of Israel" and periods were the land, (which they fight on) were called different names! Those name need to appear on Wikipedia rather than a political terms. Today we called Jerusalem - Jerusalem but it is also called Aelia Capitolina. The used in those names are for exploding different periods in time not to explaining different point of views which from my eyes this article is all about.
In other word, I suggested to give more background to the Palestine history and perhaps the political fight, because right now I got confused – subject appear to be on History of Israel and History of Palestine – when they mean to the same event which happen on the same land! (just with different point of view). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.65.149.113 ( talk) 09:16, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
"Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina": What is meant by "Hebrew"? Should this be changed to "Modern Hebrew," a somewhat different language from Biblical Hebrew? What is the first instance in the history of the Hebrew language to פלשתינה ? If the term does not occur in the Tanakh, I suggest that the plain term "Hebrew" should not be used, but a more specific term, like Modern Hebrew. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 04:02, 14 June 2016 (UTC))
This is simply crazy, anyone that uses פלשתינה in Hebrew will get unbelievable ractions then will consider very radical left. The name in Hebrew is ארץ ישראל and using another name here is *clear* violation of NPOV. Troll Refaim ( talk) 17:06, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
If the Egyptian "Peleshet" is the name of the Philistines (which is the majority opinion these days), then the name predates the first known appearance of the Hebrew language. This makes it extremely dubious that the origin of the name was a Hebrew word for "invader". That was a popular theory in the 19th century and I don't doubt that it can still be found lurking here or there, but it isn't one supported by modern scholarship. At Philistines, this claim is cited to page 1185 of a dictionary of Jastrow. My Hebrew is crap, but I don't see it there. I see an entry for פלש (to divide, go though, penetrate, perforate) and a separate entry for פלשתי (Philistine). I do not see "invade" given as a meaning and I do not see any connection made between the two entries. Zero talk 02:48, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Your condescension is charming as always Nish. Egyptian inscriptions are found earlier but reconstructions date the Semitic language family splitting from proto-Afroasiatic before Egyptian, which is highly divergent.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:13, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Are you talking about the Pelasgian theory? There's really not much evidence for that besides linguistic similarity. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:14, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
That was the name temporarily appended to the illegal Jordanian occupation of Judaea and Samaria, the correct names going back several millennia. Using the term 'West Bank' is typical Wikipedia politicisation and POV (and we all know which way that always tends). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.112.95 ( talk) 18:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
In the beginning of the article we learn that "Palestine (
Arabic: فلسطين Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn;
Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē;
Latin: Palaestina;
Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina)." However, in Israeli (i.e., modern) Hebrew, the name for this region is not פלשתינה (Palestina) but rather ארץ ישראל (Eretz Yisrael); no Hebrew speaker nowadays would call it "Palestine," plain and simple (except for within specific contexts, like when discussing the region under British rule).
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reverted my edit, claiming that "this is already in the lead. It is covered in a separate article. These are not equivalent concepts." I'm sorry, but this is simply not the case when it comes to Hebrew, where the two terms are completely interchangeable, and the one in use in the vast majority of cases is "Eretz Yisrael."
Historically, for the most part of the past two millenia, Hebrew texts have refered to the region as "Eretz Yisrael." True: in the 19th century and until the foundation of the state of Israel in the middle of the 20th century, the term "Palestine" was also in use in Hebrew. That being said, today the region is almost never called "Palestina" but almost exclusively "Eretz Yisrael." That's just a fact. It may, of course, have political implications (like virtually anything connected with Israel/Palestine), but this doesn't change the sheer truth regarding Hebrew onomastics.
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Since it was called Israel in the 13th Century BC which is long before "Palastina" by Herodotus in the 5th Century BC. It was called "Cna'an", then "Israel", then "Israel" and "Judah", and only then "Palestina". There is no reason calling it "Palestine" unless it's a political stance by Wikipedia's users. And it's not "nonsense", user:sakiv, it's the accurate course of history.
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to delete the parenthetical phrase "(i.e. the Palestinian territories)"
Justification: To identify the phrase " State of Palestine" with the phrase " Palestinian territories" is of dubious correctness and neutrality. Those who recognise the State of Palestine as a valid sovereign state do not agree that it is the same thing as the "Palestinian territories". But conversely, I don't think those who reject the existence of the State of Palestine as a valid sovereign state would agree with identifying it with the phrase "Palestinian territories" either – to them, the former is an invalid concept and the later a real one. The relationship between the two concepts "State of Palestine" and "Palestinian territories" is complex, and trying to explain the relationship in a way which is fair to both sides of the Palestinian statehood debate is even more difficult. Rather than trying to address those complexities in the introduction, I think it would be easier just to leave the parenthetical phrase "(i.e. the Palestinian territories)" out entirely. Mr248 ( talk) 00:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Add under section (2.8 British mandate and partition), first paragraph, change "The British secured Jerusalem in December 1917.", to the following: "The British made the Balfour Declaration in November 1917; and controlled Jerusalem by December 1917" 100.37.88.146 ( talk) 02:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
In the Map the borders of the Byzantine provinces of Palestine, The borders of Mandatory Palestine and the "borders of Palestine" are showen. The last one is the problematic. This border is not an acual de-facto border following the
6 days war and the occupation of Judea and Samaria (
West Bank). The border it self was created in the
1949 Armistice Agreements and is called
Green Line (Israel).
This line was the border of Israel until 1967 and when Israel took controll over the Judea and Samaria (
West Bank) and the [Gaza Strip]] the border was not an International border anymore simply because No state was in the other side of the border anymore. Before that, there were Jordan and Egypt
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[2]. In 1967, the State of Palestine wasn't even an idea since the
State of Palestine was declared in
1988 but as a PLO Goverment-in-exile.
In
1995, Israel signed a peace-treaty with the
PLO and devided the West Bank and Gaza into 3 zones
[3]. Since then Israel and the PLO made some agreements and acts that gave more lands to the
Palestinian National Authority
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[5]. In 2012, the PNA was accepted to the UN as a UN observer member and therefore the leader,
Abu Mazen, changed the official name of the PNA to "State of Palestine" for the political reasons. Today, no change was made to the borders, the original boundries of the PA with some changes stayed and therefore, this is not "The border of the State of Palestine", this is the "CLAIM of the State of Palestine" following the fact that almost none of the PNA's enclaves touches the greenline with a few exeptions of small villages.Cite error: A <ref>
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Here are examples of pages that show De-Jure claims and/or De-Facto controll and other examples of De-Facto borders showen:
I was not suprised that after we saw all this maps, the map in the Israel's article, showes only the De-Jure of the 49's agreement line, without the Desputed Jerusalem, without the annexation of the Golan Highets and without the Palestinian Territories.
Is it a coincidance that all the places where there are De-Jure borders and De-Facto borders, both are showen but in Israel-Palestine related, it's always as if Israel is just on the original borders and the Palestinian somehow hold more lands then the lands of the PA?
The line "Borders of the State of Palestine" in the map's decription needs to be changed to "Claims of the State of Palestine" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bolter21 ( talk • contribs) 11:44, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
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State of Palestine has it, and so should this page Unbeatable101 ( talk) 18:34, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
The page says that the ancient Greeks referred to the area as Palestine. I’ve never read any source for this. Additionally, it says that the region was controlled by a number of societies which preceded references to the region as Palestine including eras controlled during Achaemenids era and Jewish Hasmonean kingdom. It seems much more accurate to edit the page to reflect that prior to being referred to as Palestine, the area was known as Judea. Emmett87 ( talk) 04:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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The land of the kingdom of israel was never known as palestine befoew. Palestine was a name give to the greater areas including Egypt, israle, jordan, syria and lebanon. The name palestine was only given by the romans to disassociate the name "Judah" (juda=jew) from jewish roots 2A02:C7F:FEB4:A600:CDFD:2C7B:9768:C6DC ( talk) 09:33, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Under the Demographics section heading in section 5.2, a quote is given as:
[T]he first half century of Ottoman rule brought a sharp increase in population. The towns grew rapidly, villages became larger and more numerous, and there was an extensive development of agriculture, industry, and trade. The two last were certamly helped to no small extent by the influx of Spanish and other Western Jews.
The word "certamly" is clearly a typo intended to mean "certainly." This glaring typo should be edited by a qualified editor immediately.
-- WikEdits5 ( talk) 07:33, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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08:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)Red and green outlines are not ideal for those with red green colorblindness. Is it absolutely necessary to use those in the map? 47.198.66.117 ( talk) 12:14, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Is it possible to add the area, but without the Golan Heights? but due to the ongoing dispute over the ownership of land, it is difficult to determine the exact area of the region that includes the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, and Israel. In the article Mandatory Palestine, the area is estimated 25,585.3 km2 (9,878.5 sq mi). I will add it to the Infobox Sarah SchneiderCH ( talk) 14:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Peter coxhead: regarding this revert: really? We don't have the Latin and Greek names in the opening of Egypt or the Anglo-Norman or Old English names in the opening of England yet they are surely just as "relevant historically". DeCausa ( talk) 09:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name may be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses. For example, an article about a location in a non-English-speaking country will typically include the local-language equivalent:with this example following - Chernivtsi Oblast (Ukrainian: Чернівецька область, Chernivetska oblast) It's quite clear this should only reflect current usage. The Latin and Greek names can be discussed in the body of the article. Including these historical names clutters the first sentence and affects readability. DeCausa ( talk) 09:44, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
The correct identification of the Peleset does not refer to Palestine, instead it is in reference to a group of people that have been somewhat elusive in the historical record. In the contrary, it is known that the Peleset were part of a group called The Sea Peoples. “The Sea Peoples remain unidentified in the eyes of most modern scholars, and hypotheses regarding the origin of the various groups are the source of much speculation. Existing theories variously propose that they were any of several Aegean tribes, raiders from Central Europe, scattered soldiers who turned to piracy or became refugees, or even migrants linked to natural disasters such as earthquakes or climatic shifts.” Drews 1995, pp. 48–61
The Peleset does not give rise to Palestine or the Palestinian people. 2603:6010:DA01:FA89:F9C4:2636:A456:602A ( talk) 14:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
It is safe to say that most everyone believes that Jesus existed,and contemporary historians mentioned him and his followers. There is as much evidence that He existed, as there is for any other figure of this period. 2600:1700:F2F0:BFA0:B8F5:9F1D:FF1F:CDC0 ( talk) 14:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Restore time/year reference symbols to: "BC ##" and "AD ##." BCE or CE is bogus; an attempt to obliterate historical/significant events on Earth. 74.79.219.34 ( talk) 12:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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Please change Palestine region as Palestine is a country and not a region. 147.161.237.109 ( talk) 08:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Jewish immigration is notably absent from both the British mandate period and the demographics section. Makeandtoss ( talk) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Wlbw68: @ Dovidroth: "The Jewish leadership accepted the proposal, but the Arab Higher Committee rejected it" this is not a summary, this is an oversimplification that is misleading, which is clear by both the refusal to elaborate properly on it, or have it removed. Makeandtoss ( talk) 10:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
I think that a mention on the ongoing war should be added to this paragraph inside history section (I bold the proposal):
In 2000, the Second Intifada (also called al-Aqsa Intifada) began, and Israel built a separation barrier. In the 2005 Israeli disengagement from Gaza, Israel withdrew all settlers and military presence from the Gaza Strip, but maintained military control of numerous aspects of the territory including its borders, air space and coast. In 2023, after an attack by Hamas, Israel entered again Gaza after heavy bombing. Israel's ongoing military occupation of the Gaza Strip, the West Bank and East Jerusalem continues to be the world's longest military occupation in modern times. Theklan ( talk) 09:34, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
The original mandatory Palestine is actually not the Gaza strip, Israel and the west bank aka Judaea and Samaria alone but all of this plus today's Jordan. -- Slow Phil ( talk) 21:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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The claim is made that the region nowdays called Palestine was called by the Egyptians Peleset and by the Assyrians Palashtu (after the name of the Pleshet, part of the Sea People). To the best of my knowledge, this claim is not correct, as the most of the region was actually named Canaan at the time, and Pleshet was only the region along the southern Mediterranean coast, were the invading Pleshet Sea People settled down during the Bronze Age collapse). I think this distinction should be made. 2A02:1210:6AC5:5A00:788F:A9A5:9189:9D0 ( talk) 13:11, 3 December 2023 (UTC) NOt according to reliable sources (see wp:rs). Slatersteven ( talk) 13:18, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
To the best of my knowledgeWe cannot rely on your knowledge, do you have reliable sources that support your view? Selfstudier ( talk) 13:24, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Re: Recent edits regarding trajectory of evolution from “Peleset” to “Palestine”. Just because Peleset has a basis in name origin to the general regional concept of Palestine does not make it “Palestine” (so far as the article is concerned). Distinction and evolution of terms are important here, and should be appropriately noted. 12th century BCE records refer to a specific entity or group of people Peleset, which later fully ceased to exist before influencing the later terms “Palaistine” or “Palestine” that came into separate formation and use (hence the edit “later came to be referred to as” which I think is fully justified). These are two distinct items (with an influencing connection) and that should be made clear. Mistamystery ( talk) 15:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
A cognate of the name Palestine, ‘Peleset’, is found on five inscriptions as referring to the settlement of a people along the southern Palestinian...[10] Iskandar323 ( talk) 20:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
The article sets a very ancient date for the area being known as Palestine but does so by presuming that Peleset referred to Palestinians. In fact, this almost certainly referred to Philistines, a people expelled by Egypt, maybe about 2 centuries after Moses was expelled. Contrarily, at about the same time, there was a kingdom in coastal Syria known as Palistin. So, yes, "Peleset" seems similar to "Palestine," (especially figuring "ine" to be a Greek suffix), but given that we know Peleset referred to Philistines, and that there was a separate kingdom of Palestin, it seems unlikely to me, a non-academic on such a matter, that the Philistines gave the southern/western Lavant the name "Palestine," instead of Palestin. Or am I ignorant of something which has been left unsaid? 2600:8806:1002:4C00:9104:277C:7691:DF3F ( talk) 14:50, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
"At the time, Palestine's population was 1,845 thousand people, of which a minority of 608 thousand were Jews (33% of the population)."
The original numbers are 608,000 and 1,845,000 - I have no idea why they are presented in this confusing way (half numbers, half words) 194.223.4.117 ( talk) 02:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
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“ The first written records referring to Palestine emerged in the 12th-century BCE Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt, which used the term Peleset for a neighboring people or land.”
Edit request to either remove or clarify with source why a neighboring region is conflated with Palestine. 2603:8001:7401:6254:D031:6813:D5DA:61B7 ( talk) 23:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
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93.173.94.27 ( talk) 06:41, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
this is supposed to be called israel as people don’t know the fact that the roman’s renamed the land palestine