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Good topic, surprisingly not covered on en-wiki. Definitely dykable, but needs to be wikified with refs; will try to help.-- Riurik (discuss) 18:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
My father was only 14 when he left Ukraine (Lubny). He wound up looking after some horses near Vienna. He was beaten a lot by German officers. He told me about a severe whipping he got after a sick horse lay down and got some manure on its coat. he was in charge of brushing the coats. He was not repatriated because he lost his documents and when they reissued them they wrote down that he was born in Lublin rather than Lubni. Lublin was in Poland and as a result he was not repatriated because of the Yalta Agreement. Bandurist ( talk) 21:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good. It is accurate. I would like it to include the word Ukraine but those that are interested willgo to the article. 01:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Pictures & Photos really help to put the article in context. Good job! Bobanni ( talk) 04:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a red link to in OST-Arbeiter#Work_and_employment to Ford Werke. What exactly is this? According to the Cologne article, Ford motor company has its headquarters in that city. Is this supposed to be that? Ostap 05:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
DYK - That despite the fact that there were so many of them working in Germany, and the fact that they were treated appaulingly in th e worst factory munitions jobs, I have never seen an OST Arbeiter in any Hollywood movie production ever. Not even standing next to anyone.
Bandurist (
talk) 12:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this entire article reads like a sympathy plug for Ukrainians? Other then a few snippets of historical information, the article is practically yelling "Hey! Look at how bad we were treated!" This talk page evidences it, and it is quite comical. Mojodaddy ( talk) 16:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Since 2,5 mln to 3 mln Poles were taken as slave workers to Germany, I do have doubts that Ostarbeiter were made primarily out of Ukrainians.-- Molobo ( talk) 18:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
[2] -- Molobo ( talk) 07:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I have just uploaded this picture [3] taken in Kyiv during the war and I believe it shows gathering of OST arbeiters. What do you think? Narking ( talk) 15:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I have created this parent article, feel free to contribute to it.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
However, if the woman and the baby's father were "of good blood", the child might likewise prove "racially valuable." Consequently, the parentage was investigated, and both parents tested.
How exactly does one test for "good blood" or "racial value"? I have no doubt that some sort of pseudoscientific test was cooked up, but it would be informative to know what form it took. -- Jfruh ( talk) 22:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Please, someone who's able to, move this article according to the changes I made. Cannot do this myself, since there already is a page "Ostarbeiter", namely, a simple redirect page... that ends up here, sure enough. But that page should hold the actual article, since it is the correct term and, at least to my mind, there is no other. In fact, the spelling "OST-Arbeiter" looks almost ridiculous which, of course, is entirely inappropriate considering the subject matter. (I edited the article for no other reason.) Zero Thrust ( talk) 03:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
The plural of "Ostarbeiter" is "Ostarbeiterinnen", not "Ostarbeiters". For now, I have changed instances of "Ostarbeiters" to "Ostarbeiter", which is not technically correct, but I was not sure how far to take this. I also made the italics consistent throughout. — Diannaa ( talk) 19:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Please exercise extreme caution when quoting war statistics from the Soviet Union. They are often used in post Soviet states indiscriminately, especially in Ukraine and in Belarus. Some of the most egregious falsifications of the war statistics were introduced as a result of the annexation of the eastern half of Poland by the Soviet Union in 1939. All Polish citizens residing in these territories (also born and raised in Poland), were declared to have become the Soviet nationals overnight, and subsequently have been added to the Soviet Ukrainian and Soviet Belarusian war victims by the USSR and (later) by the post Soviet states, often doubling or tripling their numbers. For more background, see:
Here's a visual example of this sort of instant fabrication: a photograph of Ostarbeiters from the Polish city of Kowel in the Kresy macroregion (read the sign please), now posted at InfoUkes: Ukrainian History website (!), with a brand new caption reading: Thousands of trainloads (sic!) of Ukrainian Ostarbeiter were sent to Germany for slave labor from cities like Kovel, Volhynia, Ukraine in 1942. Poeticbent talk 21:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Let's consider the hard facts. According to the national
Polish census of 1931 (see
File:Woj.wołyńskie-Polska spis powszechny 1931.pdf in Commons), the Polish city of Kowel (now
Kovel, Ukraine) had a population of 27,677 people (page 56 in PDF). There were 9,638 Catholic Poles living there, as well as 12,842 Polish Jews, and only 4,875 Orthodox Christians (Ukrainian and Ruthenian combined), with smaller numbers of other national minorities. The ethnic Ukrainian and the ethnic Ruthenian population of Kowel (combined) constituted about 17.6 percent of the total. But most importantly, the Nazi German administration had friendly relations with the local Ukrainian Hilfsverwaltung which welcomed their arrival with open arms, so the mass deportations to forced labour were highly unlikely. "Thousands of trainloads"
of Ukrainians "from cities like Kovel, Ukraine" ... "sent to Germany"
in 1942 ?!
Do you see what I mean when I say it's all smoke and mirrors?
Poeticbent
talk 05:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
There is no mention in the article to The Long Vacation by Alex Panasenko (in Amazon). Is it relevant to mention in the article. (I haven't read it). -- Error ( talk) 18:53, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
It has been suggested that this article be merged with Deportation of Soviet citizens for forced labour to Germany. (Discuss) Proposed since June 2022.
I don't think the title or the lemma (morphology) should be changed. Ostarbeiter is used everywhere in other Wikipedias from Eastern and Middle Europe. Taksen ( talk) 19:47, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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Good topic, surprisingly not covered on en-wiki. Definitely dykable, but needs to be wikified with refs; will try to help.-- Riurik (discuss) 18:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
My father was only 14 when he left Ukraine (Lubny). He wound up looking after some horses near Vienna. He was beaten a lot by German officers. He told me about a severe whipping he got after a sick horse lay down and got some manure on its coat. he was in charge of brushing the coats. He was not repatriated because he lost his documents and when they reissued them they wrote down that he was born in Lublin rather than Lubni. Lublin was in Poland and as a result he was not repatriated because of the Yalta Agreement. Bandurist ( talk) 21:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good. It is accurate. I would like it to include the word Ukraine but those that are interested willgo to the article. 01:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Pictures & Photos really help to put the article in context. Good job! Bobanni ( talk) 04:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a red link to in OST-Arbeiter#Work_and_employment to Ford Werke. What exactly is this? According to the Cologne article, Ford motor company has its headquarters in that city. Is this supposed to be that? Ostap 05:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
DYK - That despite the fact that there were so many of them working in Germany, and the fact that they were treated appaulingly in th e worst factory munitions jobs, I have never seen an OST Arbeiter in any Hollywood movie production ever. Not even standing next to anyone.
Bandurist (
talk) 12:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this entire article reads like a sympathy plug for Ukrainians? Other then a few snippets of historical information, the article is practically yelling "Hey! Look at how bad we were treated!" This talk page evidences it, and it is quite comical. Mojodaddy ( talk) 16:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Since 2,5 mln to 3 mln Poles were taken as slave workers to Germany, I do have doubts that Ostarbeiter were made primarily out of Ukrainians.-- Molobo ( talk) 18:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
[2] -- Molobo ( talk) 07:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I have just uploaded this picture [3] taken in Kyiv during the war and I believe it shows gathering of OST arbeiters. What do you think? Narking ( talk) 15:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I have created this parent article, feel free to contribute to it.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
However, if the woman and the baby's father were "of good blood", the child might likewise prove "racially valuable." Consequently, the parentage was investigated, and both parents tested.
How exactly does one test for "good blood" or "racial value"? I have no doubt that some sort of pseudoscientific test was cooked up, but it would be informative to know what form it took. -- Jfruh ( talk) 22:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Please, someone who's able to, move this article according to the changes I made. Cannot do this myself, since there already is a page "Ostarbeiter", namely, a simple redirect page... that ends up here, sure enough. But that page should hold the actual article, since it is the correct term and, at least to my mind, there is no other. In fact, the spelling "OST-Arbeiter" looks almost ridiculous which, of course, is entirely inappropriate considering the subject matter. (I edited the article for no other reason.) Zero Thrust ( talk) 03:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
The plural of "Ostarbeiter" is "Ostarbeiterinnen", not "Ostarbeiters". For now, I have changed instances of "Ostarbeiters" to "Ostarbeiter", which is not technically correct, but I was not sure how far to take this. I also made the italics consistent throughout. — Diannaa ( talk) 19:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Please exercise extreme caution when quoting war statistics from the Soviet Union. They are often used in post Soviet states indiscriminately, especially in Ukraine and in Belarus. Some of the most egregious falsifications of the war statistics were introduced as a result of the annexation of the eastern half of Poland by the Soviet Union in 1939. All Polish citizens residing in these territories (also born and raised in Poland), were declared to have become the Soviet nationals overnight, and subsequently have been added to the Soviet Ukrainian and Soviet Belarusian war victims by the USSR and (later) by the post Soviet states, often doubling or tripling their numbers. For more background, see:
Here's a visual example of this sort of instant fabrication: a photograph of Ostarbeiters from the Polish city of Kowel in the Kresy macroregion (read the sign please), now posted at InfoUkes: Ukrainian History website (!), with a brand new caption reading: Thousands of trainloads (sic!) of Ukrainian Ostarbeiter were sent to Germany for slave labor from cities like Kovel, Volhynia, Ukraine in 1942. Poeticbent talk 21:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Let's consider the hard facts. According to the national
Polish census of 1931 (see
File:Woj.wołyńskie-Polska spis powszechny 1931.pdf in Commons), the Polish city of Kowel (now
Kovel, Ukraine) had a population of 27,677 people (page 56 in PDF). There were 9,638 Catholic Poles living there, as well as 12,842 Polish Jews, and only 4,875 Orthodox Christians (Ukrainian and Ruthenian combined), with smaller numbers of other national minorities. The ethnic Ukrainian and the ethnic Ruthenian population of Kowel (combined) constituted about 17.6 percent of the total. But most importantly, the Nazi German administration had friendly relations with the local Ukrainian Hilfsverwaltung which welcomed their arrival with open arms, so the mass deportations to forced labour were highly unlikely. "Thousands of trainloads"
of Ukrainians "from cities like Kovel, Ukraine" ... "sent to Germany"
in 1942 ?!
Do you see what I mean when I say it's all smoke and mirrors?
Poeticbent
talk 05:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
There is no mention in the article to The Long Vacation by Alex Panasenko (in Amazon). Is it relevant to mention in the article. (I haven't read it). -- Error ( talk) 18:53, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
It has been suggested that this article be merged with Deportation of Soviet citizens for forced labour to Germany. (Discuss) Proposed since June 2022.
I don't think the title or the lemma (morphology) should be changed. Ostarbeiter is used everywhere in other Wikipedias from Eastern and Middle Europe. Taksen ( talk) 19:47, 3 August 2022 (UTC)