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Why is the current information not related to the article? It seems fully appropriate to me.
--Ehroru —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ehroru ( talk • contribs) 04:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
The result of the move request was: Page moved. Clear consensus in favor of moving, but insufficient evidence provided that this is the primary topic. So, executive decision is to compromise by moving to standard disambiguated form for such situations (e.g., Cork (city)): Niigata (city). Born2cycle ( talk) 23:55, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Niigata, Niigata → Niigata — The name of the city is simply Niigata. Dr. Loosmark 13:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Thus, looking from a purely click-minimizing perspective, we should put the city at the simple title if more readers who search "Niigata" are looking for the city than are looking for the football team, the stadium and the manufacturer, combined.
There are, of course, considerations other than minimizing clicks; I only mention this to provide one additional perspective. - GTBacchus( talk) 02:42, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
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There are two maps in the Infobox that show up as if they are positioned with latitude and longitude both being zero. -- FredTC ( talk) 13:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
It appears that this description of "another island settlement that relocated" could be derived from the corresponding section of the Japanese version of this page that reads "元々は新潟島の海岸部にある村". However, as it is taken out of context without "Niigata-" beginning of "Niigata-Jima" which refers to a quasi island of the central downtown area, made after 1972 by the completion of the Sekiya-Bunsui bypass. As this particular paragraph is describing much older dates of the origin of the name of the place "Niigata", referencing to "Niigata-Jima", itself, does not seem to be not relevant. I would propose a solution, simply, to drop "island" from this sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rararakagaku ( talk • contribs) 22:56, 8 November 2021 (UTC) -- Rararakagaku ( talk) 21:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
I was trying to locate sources of theories why Niigata was removed from the atomic bomb target list. It appears there are many unrelated factors that may be considered to have some influences on the decision. However, none of them are described as definitive, or have some kind of official record validation. One of the theories, the distance from B-29 bases to Niigata appears in one reference, [1] , but it does not indicate any more credibility in other ones, such as distance between higher priority cities, namely Hiroshima and Kokura, and Niigata, as it may be required as a on-the-fly diversion if the weather conditions of the mission day dictate. so I wonder if it is appropriate to have some more qualifications of such nuance to this statement.-- Rararakagaku ( talk) 21:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
In addition, in a larger context, I found that the governor evacuation order was actually issued after the second Nagasaki bombing.
I may do some more fact-finding research, meanwhile start considering a rewrite draft for this entire paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rararakagaku ( talk • contribs) 19:55, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
I would propose to rewrite the paragraph as follows; In 1945, near the end of the war, Niigata was one of four cities, together with Hiroshima, Kokura, and Nagasaki, picked as targets for the atomic bombs if Japan did not surrender. There were several theories about the reasons that it was removed from the list of targets, such as poor weather conditions, its distance from B-29 bases in the Mariana Islands, and other factors. [2].
on August 11, 1945, after the second atomic bombing in Nagasaki, The governor of Niigata Prefecture ordered the people to evacuate as concerns rumors of an impending bombing heightened spread, and the city was completely deserted for days [3].-- Rararakagaku ( talk) 21:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
The reference to the relocation of the Niigata Station in the current English version is specifying 1950, but multiple sources indicate that it was in 1958, such as a material from Niigata City [4]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rararakagaku ( talk • contribs) 22:21, 21 November 2021 (UTC) -- Rararakagaku ( talk) 21:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
A separate comment to see if there is anyone who has any thoughts, regarding the "Mergers" section. This section in Niigata City English page uses many references of an English word "amalgamate" including the instances of simply merge or absorption of the municipal entities. Related topic English pages of Japanese municipality administrations use "merge", "annex", and/or "amalgamate". I wonder this page on Niigata may be over-using "amalgamate" for ones that could better be described by the simpler/plainer "merge" expressions.-- Rararakagaku ( talk) 19:52, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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The description "due to the strategic location to the north" in the second sentence of the first paragraph in the section Culture does not have obvious source of the information. Also "the north" is an ambiguous expression, whether it means locally, domestically, or internationally. Rararakagaku ( talk) 00:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I think the recent addition of "College of Biomedical Technology Niigata University" may be acceptable, as an historic listing including past organization(s). however, it is no longer operating for almost 20 years, and was organizationally a part of Niigata University. if listing includes this school, I propose to consider making it distinguishable from other currently active organizations, like putting it at the last with a note or identification of its discontinuation, or leave it as one subtopic for the Niigata University's main page, omit it in this city main page. Rararakagaku ( talk) 17:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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Why is the current information not related to the article? It seems fully appropriate to me.
--Ehroru —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ehroru ( talk • contribs) 04:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
The result of the move request was: Page moved. Clear consensus in favor of moving, but insufficient evidence provided that this is the primary topic. So, executive decision is to compromise by moving to standard disambiguated form for such situations (e.g., Cork (city)): Niigata (city). Born2cycle ( talk) 23:55, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Niigata, Niigata → Niigata — The name of the city is simply Niigata. Dr. Loosmark 13:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Thus, looking from a purely click-minimizing perspective, we should put the city at the simple title if more readers who search "Niigata" are looking for the city than are looking for the football team, the stadium and the manufacturer, combined.
There are, of course, considerations other than minimizing clicks; I only mention this to provide one additional perspective. - GTBacchus( talk) 02:42, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
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There are two maps in the Infobox that show up as if they are positioned with latitude and longitude both being zero. -- FredTC ( talk) 13:00, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
It appears that this description of "another island settlement that relocated" could be derived from the corresponding section of the Japanese version of this page that reads "元々は新潟島の海岸部にある村". However, as it is taken out of context without "Niigata-" beginning of "Niigata-Jima" which refers to a quasi island of the central downtown area, made after 1972 by the completion of the Sekiya-Bunsui bypass. As this particular paragraph is describing much older dates of the origin of the name of the place "Niigata", referencing to "Niigata-Jima", itself, does not seem to be not relevant. I would propose a solution, simply, to drop "island" from this sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rararakagaku ( talk • contribs) 22:56, 8 November 2021 (UTC) -- Rararakagaku ( talk) 21:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
I was trying to locate sources of theories why Niigata was removed from the atomic bomb target list. It appears there are many unrelated factors that may be considered to have some influences on the decision. However, none of them are described as definitive, or have some kind of official record validation. One of the theories, the distance from B-29 bases to Niigata appears in one reference, [1] , but it does not indicate any more credibility in other ones, such as distance between higher priority cities, namely Hiroshima and Kokura, and Niigata, as it may be required as a on-the-fly diversion if the weather conditions of the mission day dictate. so I wonder if it is appropriate to have some more qualifications of such nuance to this statement.-- Rararakagaku ( talk) 21:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
In addition, in a larger context, I found that the governor evacuation order was actually issued after the second Nagasaki bombing.
I may do some more fact-finding research, meanwhile start considering a rewrite draft for this entire paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rararakagaku ( talk • contribs) 19:55, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
I would propose to rewrite the paragraph as follows; In 1945, near the end of the war, Niigata was one of four cities, together with Hiroshima, Kokura, and Nagasaki, picked as targets for the atomic bombs if Japan did not surrender. There were several theories about the reasons that it was removed from the list of targets, such as poor weather conditions, its distance from B-29 bases in the Mariana Islands, and other factors. [2].
on August 11, 1945, after the second atomic bombing in Nagasaki, The governor of Niigata Prefecture ordered the people to evacuate as concerns rumors of an impending bombing heightened spread, and the city was completely deserted for days [3].-- Rararakagaku ( talk) 21:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
The reference to the relocation of the Niigata Station in the current English version is specifying 1950, but multiple sources indicate that it was in 1958, such as a material from Niigata City [4]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rararakagaku ( talk • contribs) 22:21, 21 November 2021 (UTC) -- Rararakagaku ( talk) 21:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
A separate comment to see if there is anyone who has any thoughts, regarding the "Mergers" section. This section in Niigata City English page uses many references of an English word "amalgamate" including the instances of simply merge or absorption of the municipal entities. Related topic English pages of Japanese municipality administrations use "merge", "annex", and/or "amalgamate". I wonder this page on Niigata may be over-using "amalgamate" for ones that could better be described by the simpler/plainer "merge" expressions.-- Rararakagaku ( talk) 19:52, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
References
The description "due to the strategic location to the north" in the second sentence of the first paragraph in the section Culture does not have obvious source of the information. Also "the north" is an ambiguous expression, whether it means locally, domestically, or internationally. Rararakagaku ( talk) 00:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I think the recent addition of "College of Biomedical Technology Niigata University" may be acceptable, as an historic listing including past organization(s). however, it is no longer operating for almost 20 years, and was organizationally a part of Niigata University. if listing includes this school, I propose to consider making it distinguishable from other currently active organizations, like putting it at the last with a note or identification of its discontinuation, or leave it as one subtopic for the Niigata University's main page, omit it in this city main page. Rararakagaku ( talk) 17:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Fukushima (city) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 00:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)