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Nephew (via WP:PROD on 22 October 2007) Deleted
Move. The definition of nephew and niece belong in either the Wiktionairy, where some of the definitions would be an addition or in an article on genealogy where some of the definitions might also be an addition. -- JHvW (talk) 14:39, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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We need something like a block diagram here, or some kind of graphical representation of the information. Is there anything graphical out there like that in public domain?
I just looked in Wiki under "Consanguinity" and found a good graphic to put here.
I don't know how to, or I'd display it. Just Wiki consanguinity, you'll see it!
Pb8bije6a7b6a3w ( talk) 17:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
What is a maternal nephew? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 ( talk) 17:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
According to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nibling , "nibling" is the gender neutral term for nephew and niece, particularly when using the plural form of "niblings," and when you enter "nibling" into the Wikipedia search box, it redirects here. However, the word "nibling" does not appear anywhere in the Wikipedia article. Is there any reason why it shouldn't? // Internet Esquire ( talk) 20:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Nevermind. I found it, although I do think it should appear more prominently // Internet Esquire ( talk) 20:31, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
The article presents terms such as "cousin-nephew" as if this is the term for a specific relationship. I'm sure someone can dig up some specialist books that use the term extensively, or a very small number of non-specialist sources that use the term briefly, but in reality that term is almost never used. People instead use "1st cousin once removed".
"Nibling" is similarly very very rare.
I'm not good at finding the right names for family relationships, so I won't try to fix the article, but I wanted to note that it gives a wrong impression. Gronky ( talk) 20:22, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
can we rename it to nibling? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.137.128 ( talk) 12:09, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Discussion of history and anthropology should be based on actual literature, and it should probably happen by merging with aunt and uncle, since it is about the (bidirectional) relationship parent's sibling -- sibling's child, so that the two pages will end up discussing exactly the same thing. -- dab (𒁳) 09:57, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
On one hand, it's alphabetical as it is and moving it seems unnecessary; on the other hand, in my experience, you talk about "nieces and nephews", not "nephews and nieces", but I don't know how well my experience mirrors other people's. Does anybody else want to chip in their experiences on the order? Hppavilion1 ( talk) 22:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
The article has the line "the terms are also used colloquially for sons and daughters of siblings-in-law". That doesn't also encompass step nieces and step nephews does it? For example I could call my sister's son my nephew and he would be blood related (or adopted) and I could call my wife's brother's son my nephew even though we aren't blood related but I wouldn't also call my sister's stepson my nephew would I? He would be the child of a brother-in-law but he would not be a descendant (blood or legal) of a sibling of myself or my wife.
Sons and daughters of siblings-in-law encompasses a bit more than needed right? The sons and daughters of your sibling WITH your sibling-in-law are your nephews and nieces but the children your siblings-in-law have with people who aren't your sibling wouldn't really count as nephews and nieces would they (like step nephews and step nieces probably wouldn't inherit property in say a will from their step aunt or step uncle).
Same for the children of stepsiblings. I probably wouldn't count them in a will as my nieces or nephews would I? They would probably not inherit.
--Meteor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.18.123 ( talk) 05:54, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Name change Mylikbest47 ( talk) 05:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 01:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Niece and nephew → Nephew and niece – I would like to explore two potential titles for this article. My first choice is Nephew and niece while my second choice is Nibling. Titles should be alphabetical is my rationale for my first choice. Nibling is a gender-neutral term for this title, although I would hesitate moving it to that article due to not having widespread usage like the gender-neutral Sibling is. That is my rationale for the second title although I would not oppose if that is the preferred title. Interstellarity ( talk) 00:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
From the lead: "As aunt/uncle and niece/nephew are separated by two generations ...". Utter tripe! An individual and their siblings are one generation; their children (whether siblings or cousins) are the next generation. That's a separation of one generation. How has this gibberish been allowed to survive? GrindtXX ( talk) 01:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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Nephew (via WP:PROD on 22 October 2007) Deleted
Move. The definition of nephew and niece belong in either the Wiktionairy, where some of the definitions would be an addition or in an article on genealogy where some of the definitions might also be an addition. -- JHvW (talk) 14:39, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on 7 September 2010. The result of the discussion was keep. |
We need something like a block diagram here, or some kind of graphical representation of the information. Is there anything graphical out there like that in public domain?
I just looked in Wiki under "Consanguinity" and found a good graphic to put here.
I don't know how to, or I'd display it. Just Wiki consanguinity, you'll see it!
Pb8bije6a7b6a3w ( talk) 17:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
What is a maternal nephew? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 ( talk) 17:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
According to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nibling , "nibling" is the gender neutral term for nephew and niece, particularly when using the plural form of "niblings," and when you enter "nibling" into the Wikipedia search box, it redirects here. However, the word "nibling" does not appear anywhere in the Wikipedia article. Is there any reason why it shouldn't? // Internet Esquire ( talk) 20:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Nevermind. I found it, although I do think it should appear more prominently // Internet Esquire ( talk) 20:31, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
The article presents terms such as "cousin-nephew" as if this is the term for a specific relationship. I'm sure someone can dig up some specialist books that use the term extensively, or a very small number of non-specialist sources that use the term briefly, but in reality that term is almost never used. People instead use "1st cousin once removed".
"Nibling" is similarly very very rare.
I'm not good at finding the right names for family relationships, so I won't try to fix the article, but I wanted to note that it gives a wrong impression. Gronky ( talk) 20:22, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
can we rename it to nibling? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.137.128 ( talk) 12:09, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Discussion of history and anthropology should be based on actual literature, and it should probably happen by merging with aunt and uncle, since it is about the (bidirectional) relationship parent's sibling -- sibling's child, so that the two pages will end up discussing exactly the same thing. -- dab (𒁳) 09:57, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
On one hand, it's alphabetical as it is and moving it seems unnecessary; on the other hand, in my experience, you talk about "nieces and nephews", not "nephews and nieces", but I don't know how well my experience mirrors other people's. Does anybody else want to chip in their experiences on the order? Hppavilion1 ( talk) 22:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
The article has the line "the terms are also used colloquially for sons and daughters of siblings-in-law". That doesn't also encompass step nieces and step nephews does it? For example I could call my sister's son my nephew and he would be blood related (or adopted) and I could call my wife's brother's son my nephew even though we aren't blood related but I wouldn't also call my sister's stepson my nephew would I? He would be the child of a brother-in-law but he would not be a descendant (blood or legal) of a sibling of myself or my wife.
Sons and daughters of siblings-in-law encompasses a bit more than needed right? The sons and daughters of your sibling WITH your sibling-in-law are your nephews and nieces but the children your siblings-in-law have with people who aren't your sibling wouldn't really count as nephews and nieces would they (like step nephews and step nieces probably wouldn't inherit property in say a will from their step aunt or step uncle).
Same for the children of stepsiblings. I probably wouldn't count them in a will as my nieces or nephews would I? They would probably not inherit.
--Meteor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.18.123 ( talk) 05:54, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Name change Mylikbest47 ( talk) 05:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 01:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Niece and nephew → Nephew and niece – I would like to explore two potential titles for this article. My first choice is Nephew and niece while my second choice is Nibling. Titles should be alphabetical is my rationale for my first choice. Nibling is a gender-neutral term for this title, although I would hesitate moving it to that article due to not having widespread usage like the gender-neutral Sibling is. That is my rationale for the second title although I would not oppose if that is the preferred title. Interstellarity ( talk) 00:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
From the lead: "As aunt/uncle and niece/nephew are separated by two generations ...". Utter tripe! An individual and their siblings are one generation; their children (whether siblings or cousins) are the next generation. That's a separation of one generation. How has this gibberish been allowed to survive? GrindtXX ( talk) 01:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)