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@ Msloewengart: I think adding the major airports that serve NYC in the infobox is a good idea. It's also not unheard of, see this example. As for content, I think EWR should be included to be consistent with the transportation section, the article on transoportation in NYC, and Aviation in the New York metropolitan area. All three places list Newark as a major airport serving the city. Another example is Dallas. Here they have a separate field for the secondary airport, we may wish to do the same with EWR. Thanks — MusikAnimal talk 19:56, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Isn't the presence of a picture of a picture of the Statue of Liberty misleading? It is in fact in New Jersey and so not even in that same state let alone city? We should consider a delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.163.1 ( talk) 03:32, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone know if there is an appropriate landing page for the Metropolitan Regional Council (MRC) referenced in this book? [3] Did it undergo a name change?-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:39, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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During the last change of the montage image there was a general consensus that the current picture would do until the new One WTC was completed. Since the exterior of that building is now complete, I decided to create an updated image. Also, since there was space for it, I added a picture of Yankee Stadium to the mix for two main reasons: 1) they are arguably the most successful sports team to play in NYC, and 2) the picture helps represent the Bronx for the montage. Of course, I'm open to feedback/debate about the content of the image, and everyone is free to offer their own alternative. -- Jleon ( talk) 02:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
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Ok, here is my latest attempt. I think this incorporates most of the feedback here, and it's in a much higher resolution than the previous image. If there are no objections I'll use this to replace the current montage shortly. -- Jleon ( talk) 03:49, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Over its incremental expansion the Demographics info tends to be all over the place, while also riddled with numerous little unnecessary details that can easily be left out (as just one example, we really don't need to know that the population of NY is "greater than the combined totals of Los Angeles and Chicago"; it's fine to just say its the largest city. The sentence on Mayor Bloomberg challenging the population as an under-count is also irrelevant; this is one man's opinion and not a salient statistic). We also have to remember that ultimately this is a summary article that does not need to include all the demographics details about the city which can be found in Demographics of New York City. But more importantly there needs to be organization and cohesion of information. All similar and related information needs to be brought together and condensed instead of being all over the place, so it is much easier for the reader to digest. I will look over the section and come back with a proposal of how I think it should be re-organized. Cadiomals ( talk) 00:35, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
The text:
"The city has a strong imbalance of payments with the national and state governments. It receives 83 cents in services for every $1 it sends to the federal government in taxes (or annually sends $11.4 billion more than it receives back). The city also sends an additional $11 billion more each year to the state of New York than it receives back.[310]"
belongs in the Government of NYC main article (and indeed appears there as well) and is out of place in this top level article, and reeks of someone pushing an agenda. Especially since the statement is made in a vacuum of other information about the tax structure of NYC. Either delete or broaden to a wider discussion of the tax structure in NYC including the city's personal income tax. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.218.132.21 ( talk) 16:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Just wanted to request an addition to the military section that the US Coast Guard maintains a station and sector HQ on Staten Island. The USCG is a component of the armed services. The first sentence in the topic is also incorrect that Fort Hamilton is only active military installation in the city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamTKE594 ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
There's a document somewhere, published by the Bloomberg administration, that implied that jobs in the manufacturing sector aren't declining but instead shifting focus, ie, while there are undoubtedly fewer cement plants than there were ten years ago, startups with high value-added business models have added jobs (businesses manufacturing gourmet food and high-end clothing, or taking advantage of the new 3D printers would be examples of these). Apparently this is because many younger people who were laid off during the financial crisis gave up on finding new jobs in their old fields and decided to pursue their hobbies professionally instead. These businesses are able to thrive despite strong competition and high rents because the goods they make by their very nature sell for much more than the cost of raw materials. That the manufacturing sector is depicted in employment surveys as declining reflects both increasing industrial rents AND their failure to take into account industry in fields that did not exist twenty years ago. I think the article should be changed to reflect this. Quodfui ( talk) 16:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Any thoughts on whether "Why isn't this article at New York, New York??" qualifies as a third question to be added to the FAQ at the top of this talk page?? Georgia guy ( talk) 13:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
New York, New York redirects to New York City, and at the moment there is nothing in the lead section to direct readers to New York, New York (disambiguation). I had added such a link but this was reverted. The lead section contains the following incantation
{{Other uses|New York City (disambiguation)|NYC (disambiguation)|New York, New York (disambiguation)}}
of the Other uses template. As this template only takes two parameters, the third parameter ("New York, New York (disambiguation)") is ignored. Tobias Bergemann ( talk) 08:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
The recently added GDP info at the beginning of this article needs to be revised to show that the more than $1.2 trillion GDP was for 2009. It also needs to include the citation below, which references the GDP amount. None of the other referenced citations report on this GDP amount.
[4] 67.84.204.32 ( talk) 20:21, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Done Outdated/incorrect GMP figures and citations have been removed and replaced with relevant data and citation for NY City metropolitan area for 2012.
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Please change "New York Wheel, the world's tallest ferris wheel" to " New York Wheel giant Ferris wheel" - it has been claimed that the taller Dubai Eye will be completed first / Ferris is a proper name. Thanks. 86.178.252.112 ( talk) 20:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
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Quick question about the first sentence in the article: Why does the word "nucleus" link to atomic nucleus? Perhaps no link or a different word for "center" would be better? 205.178.124.183 ( talk) 02:34, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
NYC has 3 and not 2 mass transit rail in service 24/7 and in the rest of the USA there are 3 and not 2 mass transit rail that runs 24/7. NYC has 3 of only 6 mass-transit rail lines in the United States that runs 24/7 : the Subway , the PATH and the Staten Island Railroad (the others 3 are the PATCO Speedline in Philadelphia and in NJ, the Red and Blue Lines of the Chicago 'L' and the Green Line of the Minneapolis-St. Paul METRO ). About the rest of the world there are other 2 mass transit in service 24/7 : the Sydney Light Rail and the Copenhagen Metro. Therefore this means that three of the eight rapid transit systems in the world which operate on 24-hour schedules are in New York City !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NYCFC ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
To correct the errors in the article, please. NYCFC ( talk) 12:06, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
In the spring 2015 SIR overnight frequency will be 30 minutes ( like SI ferry ), that is 5 minutes less than PATH overnight frequency ( 35 minutes ). About Copenhagen I have written Metro, not S-Tag !!!!! NYCFC ( talk) 14:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
The article (third paragraph, specifically) says that the Statue of Liberty is a symbol of the United States and its "democracy".
Should we change that to "representative democracy"? The United States has never really been a democracy, just a representative democracy, which is different. There are multiple types of democracies, and so I believe there should probably be more specification. We're most certainly not a full democracy. Bush wasn't elected by the people [1], and the Obama administration once intervened in Libya without approval from Congress. [2] But anyways, just wanted to know what others thought. AndrewOne ( talk) 02:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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"New York is the most populous city in the United States and the nucleus of the premier gateway for legal immigration to the United States[6][7][8]—the New York metropolitan area, one of the most populous urban agglomerations in the world."
The first sentence of the article is grammatically incorrect. It needs to be edited. The problems seem to have arisen when the article was edited to include "nucleus of the premier gateway", which also sounds extremely awkward. First and foremost the sentence needs to be corrected to at least be grammatically correct. Second, I suggest removing "nucleus of the", so that the sentence instead reads "New York is the most populous city in the United States and the premier gateway for legal immigration to the United States."
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Agreed. I understand the references are about the metro, but it can still be split into two sentences.
And a suggestion: "nucleus" should be changed to "center," which is more encyclopedic. AndrewOne ( talk) 14:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand why such a thing should even be mentioned in the first sentence. I'd remove the immigration part entirely. 178.41.17.93 ( talk) 20:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
The climate section states "Summers are typically warm to hot and humid, with July daily mean temperature of 76.5 °F". However the chart right underneath that statement shows the average temperature for July is 84.1 °F. So which is correct, can someone please correct this? 2604:2000:FFC0:1F9:4BE:10F9:EAC4:E40D ( talk) 23:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
It is true that education, public health (public hospitals, medical care) and crime are largely governmental issues, run by the government, funded by the government, regulated (policies etc.) by the government, but they do not belong in the Law, government and politics sections; they belong in the Society section. Not one of those sections belongs in the Law, government and politics section more than any of the others. Just because the government sets policies for education does not mean the education section belongs there, and just because public health is a primary function of government does not mean it belongs there. Therefore I propose that all these sections be moved to the Society section. Int21h ( talk) 18:03, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Officially, an estimated 200 languages are spoken in New York City, according to the city government (2014): [1] The figure of '800 languages' spoken in NYC was a claim made by the New York based "Endangered Language Alliance" in 2010. [2]
Shouldn't the official and up to date figure be used for this article, as an up-to-date encyclopedic entry? Southlondoneye ( talk) 08:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I think there should be a line added about the success of New York City's Park System. The Trust for Public Land, in their 2013 ParkScore ranking, ranked NYC as having the 2nd best park system among the top 50 most populous US Cities. Another notable fact to add is that 96% of NYC's population is within a 10-minute walk of a park - one of the highest percentages in the US (national average = 64%). 2013 ParkScore Rankings NY Times Article
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The historic name of New York City is listed as "New Netherlands". It should be "New Amsterdam". MinnBrewer ( talk) 23:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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In the settlement infobox, please change the "population_density_sq_mi" argument from 27,778.7 to something reasonable, perhaps computed from the supplied size and population elsewhere in the template, which would yield 17,926.7. The given figure is obviously far too big, and is not drawn from the source cited in the "population_footnotes" argument. Incidentally, a better link for "population_footnotes" would be [5], which is a "bookmark" that executes the necessary database query. The existing reference is just a link to the main page. 68.170.183.170 ( talk) 03:20, 4 January 2015 (UTC) 68.170.183.170 ( talk) 03:20, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
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In addition to the aforementioned, New York City is probably the nation's only credible recipient of the designation "The City." 174.64.104.171 ( talk) 02:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
This is a small thing, but an important one for the history of New York City. The date for the opening of the Erie Canal in the pentultimate paragraph of section 1.1 is not correct or at least misleading. While sections of the canal gradually opened as finished during construction, the entire length of the canal from the Hudson River to Buffalo on Lake Erie was not opened until 1825. Agricultural goods from the Great Lakes region, as stated in this article, could not have traveled to New York City through the short segement of the canal opened in 1819. The 1825 date is a better one to cite for this sentence as written. On this point one might also cite in the article the memoir produced for the massive state-wide celebrations that attended the passage of the first boats from Buffalo to New York City in November 1825. ( https://archive.org/details/memoirpreparedat00cold). Perhaps someone who has permission to edit semi-protected articles could make this correction. 160.39.49.161 ( talk) 21:06, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Which image below should represent Liberty Island in the Parks section?
Changed per consensus above. talk→ WPPilot 17:34, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I added all missing citations for this article and I personally think it meets good article criteria.Should we nominate it as a good article?-- ChamithN ( talk) 23:11, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I disagree. Not only is 264 kb absurd for article length the sourcing doesn't look that strong. It would need a lot of work even for GA. There's lots of bullet points too which are ill-advised. If it's protected from people working on it then it's never going to get to GA level... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:12, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
The name of the city is not, nor has ever been, "New York City." It is just "New York." Yes, it is commonly referred to as "New York City" in contradistinction to "New York State," but the word "City" does not belong to the proper name unlike, for instance, Kansas City or Missouri City. This article should simply be named "New York, New York" and this is how it ought to be referenced in other articles linking to this page as well. 2001:470:1F07:383:16:AA7C:DA44:626D ( talk) 01:22, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit this but the color of Manhattan on the map and in color of Manhattan in the adjoining table (both immediately under the heading "Boroughs") need to be coordinated with each other. All other colors for boroughs match between the map and the table but not for Manhattan (one is green and the other is blue). One of those two colors should be used for both the map and the table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.69.167.226 ( talk) 14:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
New York City it is also known as "The Capitol of the World"
I came to look at the intro of this article after someone complained it was promotional. I couldn't really see it, apart from the word "premier", which means "first in importance" and has clear connotations of superiority. So I changed it to "main". Now I'm told that's inaccurate, that it isn't the main gateway for legal immigration. So I must ask, in what way is it the "premier" gateway? Deb ( talk) 17:20, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Castncoot, I noticed you [6] reverted my edit to the first sentence (summary: fix cohesion of first sentence), with the summary "already cohesive". I thought my edit was fine, and I was wondering how you thought my edit messed with the apparent cohesiveness of the sentence. Thanks! APerson ( talk!) 00:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I thought that there was no source to back the fact that NYC is the most linguistically diverse city in the world until I carefully revised the sources. Not to mention the ones you added. I think it is obvious I made a mistake in the page. ( N0n3up ( talk) 03:17, 3 May 2015 (UTC))
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 ( talk) 08:51, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
What document have you seen that officially assigned the name "New York City" to the collective 5 counties/boroughs? Must have been an official of the State, unless all 5 counties actually signed off on a joint document. Also, keep in mind that the official county name for the Manhattan Borough alone is "New York". Therefore, citing "New York" alone invites confusion! 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:9522:B36D:1596:6D78 ( talk) 06:11, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
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Metro surface is marked as:
• Metro 13,318 sq mi (34,490 km2)
It should be:
• Metro 13.318 sq mi (34.490 km2)
17.72.127.43 ( talk) 18:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Any thoughts on whether the question on why this article isn't titled New York (city) should be included on the FAQ?? Georgia guy ( talk) 20:07, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone else find the lead section of this article just too boring, filled with population stats, area stats, GDP stats etc? "56 million tourists in 2014" - well whoopie, but can't this gem be dumped in the Economy section. "Millions of tourists" is enough of a summary for me. Batternut ( talk) 10:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. Physical measurements, historical dates, but no ephemeral stats such as population and GDP. Batternut ( talk) 10:07, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Also, look at
Manhattan,
New York State,
United States,
United Kingdom,
France,
Jerusalem,
Pluto,
Human.. They all have numbers in the lead and long leads. Look at how many nerdy stats are in the lead of
Jerusalem!
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Personally, I like the style of the Wikipedia NYC article better. It uses specific and precise details to support its points, which are rather interesting claims about New York's standing in the world. The Britannica style seems too vague and sweeping...until it piles on with an un-prose-like stream of stats at the end. Bleh. As for the specific point of quoting both the MSA and CSA populations and GDPs, I agree those parts are pushing it and could be streamlined. The details could be deferred to the infobox or the Economy section as appropriate. -- Beland ( talk) 23:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
The cited source (a History Channel video) mentions this claim as a throwaway line. I would be more convinced by a source that had some expertise on harbors in general, rather than a infotainment documentary setting up a dramatic story. It would be very nice to actually link to a list of harbors and some measurements of size. -- Beland ( talk) 23:43, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I believe that, New York City being so popular, dense, powerful, etc, a criticism section should be included with quotes and sources from people who are critical of NYC's various attributes, like its culture, politics, economics, etc, so that this Wikipedia article gets a much needed dose of third party views on why the city poses problems for certain people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.185.200 ( talk) 05:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, thanks for all the good faith edits. I wanted to bring this up in the talk section because I think it could benefit from a wider discussion. Currently, details of the Bronx does not appear in this article until one scrolls down ([Page down]) 25 times to the #Buroughs section. I think template {{ NYC boroughs}} (or alternatively the useful map [File:5 Boroughs Labels New York City Map.svg]) provides an excellent summary of the five buroughs and should be placed in the lead section as is there is plenty of white space there beside the table of contents. (See Manhattan, Bronx, etc.) It can also remain (be repeated) in the #Buroughs section since that section is so far down the article. Alternatively, the #Buroughs section could be the first section in the article following the lead and before #History. I think if one is not from NYC one would have little idea about the Bronx, Queens, etc. reading this article. Facts707 ( talk) 13:23, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
"...several small cities (of fewer than 100,000) in adjacent Hudson County, New Jersey are more dense overall, as per the 2000 Census.[208] Geographically co-extensive with New York County, the borough of Manhattan's population density of 71,672 people per square mile[209] (27,673/km²) makes it the highest of any county in the United States[210] and higher than the density of any individual American city."
It's easy to see that New York County would be denser than any whole county, but similarly to the small city clause that leads demographers to formulate cutoff points, is there really no (most likely micro tiny) small city anywhere in the country that is hyper dense. Remember, "city" can be as small and outlandish as 6 to 18 people (though that one is extremely sparse), and speaking of the wild car-oriented sprawled out least pedestrian safe state of Florida, there are small cities like North Bay Village (I swear it's not a village) that was a big deal in the 60s and Sunny Isles Beach, both no greater than one square mile and with population densities over 20,000. If 500 people are in one high-rise taking up about an acre of land, that is a population density of 320,000 per square mile. That is going to an unlikely extreme, but there may be some city or place that could incorporate out there that falls between a North Bay Village and a city the size of the Willis Tower. B137 ( talk) 00:59, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
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@ Msloewengart: I think adding the major airports that serve NYC in the infobox is a good idea. It's also not unheard of, see this example. As for content, I think EWR should be included to be consistent with the transportation section, the article on transoportation in NYC, and Aviation in the New York metropolitan area. All three places list Newark as a major airport serving the city. Another example is Dallas. Here they have a separate field for the secondary airport, we may wish to do the same with EWR. Thanks — MusikAnimal talk 19:56, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Isn't the presence of a picture of a picture of the Statue of Liberty misleading? It is in fact in New Jersey and so not even in that same state let alone city? We should consider a delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.163.1 ( talk) 03:32, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone know if there is an appropriate landing page for the Metropolitan Regional Council (MRC) referenced in this book? [3] Did it undergo a name change?-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:39, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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Sister City is Santiago, Chile 200.28.241.125 ( talk) 01:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
During the last change of the montage image there was a general consensus that the current picture would do until the new One WTC was completed. Since the exterior of that building is now complete, I decided to create an updated image. Also, since there was space for it, I added a picture of Yankee Stadium to the mix for two main reasons: 1) they are arguably the most successful sports team to play in NYC, and 2) the picture helps represent the Bronx for the montage. Of course, I'm open to feedback/debate about the content of the image, and everyone is free to offer their own alternative. -- Jleon ( talk) 02:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
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Castncoot ( talk) 12:33, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Ok, here is my latest attempt. I think this incorporates most of the feedback here, and it's in a much higher resolution than the previous image. If there are no objections I'll use this to replace the current montage shortly. -- Jleon ( talk) 03:49, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Over its incremental expansion the Demographics info tends to be all over the place, while also riddled with numerous little unnecessary details that can easily be left out (as just one example, we really don't need to know that the population of NY is "greater than the combined totals of Los Angeles and Chicago"; it's fine to just say its the largest city. The sentence on Mayor Bloomberg challenging the population as an under-count is also irrelevant; this is one man's opinion and not a salient statistic). We also have to remember that ultimately this is a summary article that does not need to include all the demographics details about the city which can be found in Demographics of New York City. But more importantly there needs to be organization and cohesion of information. All similar and related information needs to be brought together and condensed instead of being all over the place, so it is much easier for the reader to digest. I will look over the section and come back with a proposal of how I think it should be re-organized. Cadiomals ( talk) 00:35, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
The text:
"The city has a strong imbalance of payments with the national and state governments. It receives 83 cents in services for every $1 it sends to the federal government in taxes (or annually sends $11.4 billion more than it receives back). The city also sends an additional $11 billion more each year to the state of New York than it receives back.[310]"
belongs in the Government of NYC main article (and indeed appears there as well) and is out of place in this top level article, and reeks of someone pushing an agenda. Especially since the statement is made in a vacuum of other information about the tax structure of NYC. Either delete or broaden to a wider discussion of the tax structure in NYC including the city's personal income tax. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.218.132.21 ( talk) 16:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Just wanted to request an addition to the military section that the US Coast Guard maintains a station and sector HQ on Staten Island. The USCG is a component of the armed services. The first sentence in the topic is also incorrect that Fort Hamilton is only active military installation in the city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamTKE594 ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
There's a document somewhere, published by the Bloomberg administration, that implied that jobs in the manufacturing sector aren't declining but instead shifting focus, ie, while there are undoubtedly fewer cement plants than there were ten years ago, startups with high value-added business models have added jobs (businesses manufacturing gourmet food and high-end clothing, or taking advantage of the new 3D printers would be examples of these). Apparently this is because many younger people who were laid off during the financial crisis gave up on finding new jobs in their old fields and decided to pursue their hobbies professionally instead. These businesses are able to thrive despite strong competition and high rents because the goods they make by their very nature sell for much more than the cost of raw materials. That the manufacturing sector is depicted in employment surveys as declining reflects both increasing industrial rents AND their failure to take into account industry in fields that did not exist twenty years ago. I think the article should be changed to reflect this. Quodfui ( talk) 16:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Any thoughts on whether "Why isn't this article at New York, New York??" qualifies as a third question to be added to the FAQ at the top of this talk page?? Georgia guy ( talk) 13:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
New York, New York redirects to New York City, and at the moment there is nothing in the lead section to direct readers to New York, New York (disambiguation). I had added such a link but this was reverted. The lead section contains the following incantation
{{Other uses|New York City (disambiguation)|NYC (disambiguation)|New York, New York (disambiguation)}}
of the Other uses template. As this template only takes two parameters, the third parameter ("New York, New York (disambiguation)") is ignored. Tobias Bergemann ( talk) 08:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
The recently added GDP info at the beginning of this article needs to be revised to show that the more than $1.2 trillion GDP was for 2009. It also needs to include the citation below, which references the GDP amount. None of the other referenced citations report on this GDP amount.
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Done Outdated/incorrect GMP figures and citations have been removed and replaced with relevant data and citation for NY City metropolitan area for 2012.
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Please change "New York Wheel, the world's tallest ferris wheel" to " New York Wheel giant Ferris wheel" - it has been claimed that the taller Dubai Eye will be completed first / Ferris is a proper name. Thanks. 86.178.252.112 ( talk) 20:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
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Quick question about the first sentence in the article: Why does the word "nucleus" link to atomic nucleus? Perhaps no link or a different word for "center" would be better? 205.178.124.183 ( talk) 02:34, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
NYC has 3 and not 2 mass transit rail in service 24/7 and in the rest of the USA there are 3 and not 2 mass transit rail that runs 24/7. NYC has 3 of only 6 mass-transit rail lines in the United States that runs 24/7 : the Subway , the PATH and the Staten Island Railroad (the others 3 are the PATCO Speedline in Philadelphia and in NJ, the Red and Blue Lines of the Chicago 'L' and the Green Line of the Minneapolis-St. Paul METRO ). About the rest of the world there are other 2 mass transit in service 24/7 : the Sydney Light Rail and the Copenhagen Metro. Therefore this means that three of the eight rapid transit systems in the world which operate on 24-hour schedules are in New York City !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NYCFC ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
To correct the errors in the article, please. NYCFC ( talk) 12:06, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
In the spring 2015 SIR overnight frequency will be 30 minutes ( like SI ferry ), that is 5 minutes less than PATH overnight frequency ( 35 minutes ). About Copenhagen I have written Metro, not S-Tag !!!!! NYCFC ( talk) 14:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
The article (third paragraph, specifically) says that the Statue of Liberty is a symbol of the United States and its "democracy".
Should we change that to "representative democracy"? The United States has never really been a democracy, just a representative democracy, which is different. There are multiple types of democracies, and so I believe there should probably be more specification. We're most certainly not a full democracy. Bush wasn't elected by the people [1], and the Obama administration once intervened in Libya without approval from Congress. [2] But anyways, just wanted to know what others thought. AndrewOne ( talk) 02:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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"New York is the most populous city in the United States and the nucleus of the premier gateway for legal immigration to the United States[6][7][8]—the New York metropolitan area, one of the most populous urban agglomerations in the world."
The first sentence of the article is grammatically incorrect. It needs to be edited. The problems seem to have arisen when the article was edited to include "nucleus of the premier gateway", which also sounds extremely awkward. First and foremost the sentence needs to be corrected to at least be grammatically correct. Second, I suggest removing "nucleus of the", so that the sentence instead reads "New York is the most populous city in the United States and the premier gateway for legal immigration to the United States."
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Agreed. I understand the references are about the metro, but it can still be split into two sentences.
And a suggestion: "nucleus" should be changed to "center," which is more encyclopedic. AndrewOne ( talk) 14:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand why such a thing should even be mentioned in the first sentence. I'd remove the immigration part entirely. 178.41.17.93 ( talk) 20:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
The climate section states "Summers are typically warm to hot and humid, with July daily mean temperature of 76.5 °F". However the chart right underneath that statement shows the average temperature for July is 84.1 °F. So which is correct, can someone please correct this? 2604:2000:FFC0:1F9:4BE:10F9:EAC4:E40D ( talk) 23:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
It is true that education, public health (public hospitals, medical care) and crime are largely governmental issues, run by the government, funded by the government, regulated (policies etc.) by the government, but they do not belong in the Law, government and politics sections; they belong in the Society section. Not one of those sections belongs in the Law, government and politics section more than any of the others. Just because the government sets policies for education does not mean the education section belongs there, and just because public health is a primary function of government does not mean it belongs there. Therefore I propose that all these sections be moved to the Society section. Int21h ( talk) 18:03, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Officially, an estimated 200 languages are spoken in New York City, according to the city government (2014): [1] The figure of '800 languages' spoken in NYC was a claim made by the New York based "Endangered Language Alliance" in 2010. [2]
Shouldn't the official and up to date figure be used for this article, as an up-to-date encyclopedic entry? Southlondoneye ( talk) 08:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I think there should be a line added about the success of New York City's Park System. The Trust for Public Land, in their 2013 ParkScore ranking, ranked NYC as having the 2nd best park system among the top 50 most populous US Cities. Another notable fact to add is that 96% of NYC's population is within a 10-minute walk of a park - one of the highest percentages in the US (national average = 64%). 2013 ParkScore Rankings NY Times Article
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The historic name of New York City is listed as "New Netherlands". It should be "New Amsterdam". MinnBrewer ( talk) 23:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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In the settlement infobox, please change the "population_density_sq_mi" argument from 27,778.7 to something reasonable, perhaps computed from the supplied size and population elsewhere in the template, which would yield 17,926.7. The given figure is obviously far too big, and is not drawn from the source cited in the "population_footnotes" argument. Incidentally, a better link for "population_footnotes" would be [5], which is a "bookmark" that executes the necessary database query. The existing reference is just a link to the main page. 68.170.183.170 ( talk) 03:20, 4 January 2015 (UTC) 68.170.183.170 ( talk) 03:20, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
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In addition to the aforementioned, New York City is probably the nation's only credible recipient of the designation "The City." 174.64.104.171 ( talk) 02:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
This is a small thing, but an important one for the history of New York City. The date for the opening of the Erie Canal in the pentultimate paragraph of section 1.1 is not correct or at least misleading. While sections of the canal gradually opened as finished during construction, the entire length of the canal from the Hudson River to Buffalo on Lake Erie was not opened until 1825. Agricultural goods from the Great Lakes region, as stated in this article, could not have traveled to New York City through the short segement of the canal opened in 1819. The 1825 date is a better one to cite for this sentence as written. On this point one might also cite in the article the memoir produced for the massive state-wide celebrations that attended the passage of the first boats from Buffalo to New York City in November 1825. ( https://archive.org/details/memoirpreparedat00cold). Perhaps someone who has permission to edit semi-protected articles could make this correction. 160.39.49.161 ( talk) 21:06, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Which image below should represent Liberty Island in the Parks section?
Changed per consensus above. talk→ WPPilot 17:34, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I added all missing citations for this article and I personally think it meets good article criteria.Should we nominate it as a good article?-- ChamithN ( talk) 23:11, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I disagree. Not only is 264 kb absurd for article length the sourcing doesn't look that strong. It would need a lot of work even for GA. There's lots of bullet points too which are ill-advised. If it's protected from people working on it then it's never going to get to GA level... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:12, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
The name of the city is not, nor has ever been, "New York City." It is just "New York." Yes, it is commonly referred to as "New York City" in contradistinction to "New York State," but the word "City" does not belong to the proper name unlike, for instance, Kansas City or Missouri City. This article should simply be named "New York, New York" and this is how it ought to be referenced in other articles linking to this page as well. 2001:470:1F07:383:16:AA7C:DA44:626D ( talk) 01:22, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit this but the color of Manhattan on the map and in color of Manhattan in the adjoining table (both immediately under the heading "Boroughs") need to be coordinated with each other. All other colors for boroughs match between the map and the table but not for Manhattan (one is green and the other is blue). One of those two colors should be used for both the map and the table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.69.167.226 ( talk) 14:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
New York City it is also known as "The Capitol of the World"
I came to look at the intro of this article after someone complained it was promotional. I couldn't really see it, apart from the word "premier", which means "first in importance" and has clear connotations of superiority. So I changed it to "main". Now I'm told that's inaccurate, that it isn't the main gateway for legal immigration. So I must ask, in what way is it the "premier" gateway? Deb ( talk) 17:20, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Castncoot, I noticed you [6] reverted my edit to the first sentence (summary: fix cohesion of first sentence), with the summary "already cohesive". I thought my edit was fine, and I was wondering how you thought my edit messed with the apparent cohesiveness of the sentence. Thanks! APerson ( talk!) 00:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I thought that there was no source to back the fact that NYC is the most linguistically diverse city in the world until I carefully revised the sources. Not to mention the ones you added. I think it is obvious I made a mistake in the page. ( N0n3up ( talk) 03:17, 3 May 2015 (UTC))
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 ( talk) 08:51, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
What document have you seen that officially assigned the name "New York City" to the collective 5 counties/boroughs? Must have been an official of the State, unless all 5 counties actually signed off on a joint document. Also, keep in mind that the official county name for the Manhattan Borough alone is "New York". Therefore, citing "New York" alone invites confusion! 2602:304:CDA6:51B0:9522:B36D:1596:6D78 ( talk) 06:11, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
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Metro surface is marked as:
• Metro 13,318 sq mi (34,490 km2)
It should be:
• Metro 13.318 sq mi (34.490 km2)
17.72.127.43 ( talk) 18:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Any thoughts on whether the question on why this article isn't titled New York (city) should be included on the FAQ?? Georgia guy ( talk) 20:07, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone else find the lead section of this article just too boring, filled with population stats, area stats, GDP stats etc? "56 million tourists in 2014" - well whoopie, but can't this gem be dumped in the Economy section. "Millions of tourists" is enough of a summary for me. Batternut ( talk) 10:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. Physical measurements, historical dates, but no ephemeral stats such as population and GDP. Batternut ( talk) 10:07, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Also, look at
Manhattan,
New York State,
United States,
United Kingdom,
France,
Jerusalem,
Pluto,
Human.. They all have numbers in the lead and long leads. Look at how many nerdy stats are in the lead of
Jerusalem!
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Personally, I like the style of the Wikipedia NYC article better. It uses specific and precise details to support its points, which are rather interesting claims about New York's standing in the world. The Britannica style seems too vague and sweeping...until it piles on with an un-prose-like stream of stats at the end. Bleh. As for the specific point of quoting both the MSA and CSA populations and GDPs, I agree those parts are pushing it and could be streamlined. The details could be deferred to the infobox or the Economy section as appropriate. -- Beland ( talk) 23:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
The cited source (a History Channel video) mentions this claim as a throwaway line. I would be more convinced by a source that had some expertise on harbors in general, rather than a infotainment documentary setting up a dramatic story. It would be very nice to actually link to a list of harbors and some measurements of size. -- Beland ( talk) 23:43, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I believe that, New York City being so popular, dense, powerful, etc, a criticism section should be included with quotes and sources from people who are critical of NYC's various attributes, like its culture, politics, economics, etc, so that this Wikipedia article gets a much needed dose of third party views on why the city poses problems for certain people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.185.200 ( talk) 05:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi all, thanks for all the good faith edits. I wanted to bring this up in the talk section because I think it could benefit from a wider discussion. Currently, details of the Bronx does not appear in this article until one scrolls down ([Page down]) 25 times to the #Buroughs section. I think template {{ NYC boroughs}} (or alternatively the useful map [File:5 Boroughs Labels New York City Map.svg]) provides an excellent summary of the five buroughs and should be placed in the lead section as is there is plenty of white space there beside the table of contents. (See Manhattan, Bronx, etc.) It can also remain (be repeated) in the #Buroughs section since that section is so far down the article. Alternatively, the #Buroughs section could be the first section in the article following the lead and before #History. I think if one is not from NYC one would have little idea about the Bronx, Queens, etc. reading this article. Facts707 ( talk) 13:23, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
"...several small cities (of fewer than 100,000) in adjacent Hudson County, New Jersey are more dense overall, as per the 2000 Census.[208] Geographically co-extensive with New York County, the borough of Manhattan's population density of 71,672 people per square mile[209] (27,673/km²) makes it the highest of any county in the United States[210] and higher than the density of any individual American city."
It's easy to see that New York County would be denser than any whole county, but similarly to the small city clause that leads demographers to formulate cutoff points, is there really no (most likely micro tiny) small city anywhere in the country that is hyper dense. Remember, "city" can be as small and outlandish as 6 to 18 people (though that one is extremely sparse), and speaking of the wild car-oriented sprawled out least pedestrian safe state of Florida, there are small cities like North Bay Village (I swear it's not a village) that was a big deal in the 60s and Sunny Isles Beach, both no greater than one square mile and with population densities over 20,000. If 500 people are in one high-rise taking up about an acre of land, that is a population density of 320,000 per square mile. That is going to an unlikely extreme, but there may be some city or place that could incorporate out there that falls between a North Bay Village and a city the size of the Willis Tower. B137 ( talk) 00:59, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
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www.newyork.com.pl - polish langage site and photos about New York. Thetom ( talk) 20:00, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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