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@ Moxy: I have removed the tag because I don't see any particular location having too many images. What specific sections do you think have too many images? epicgenius ( talk) 17:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I removed the "Panoramas of New York" section yesterday, which seems like the very definition of what Wikipedia is not according to WP:GALLERIES. The galleries in "Race and ethicity" and "Religion" also need to be removed, and even include a duplicate photo for what its worth. Same with ones in Education and Economy sections. It seemed like there was agreement on this topic based on this discussion, but my edits were reverted by Castncoot ( talk · contribs) because it was "thousands of longstanding bytes." What do other editors think?-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 21:24, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree that the article had, and now has again, too many pictures. An obvious candidate for removal, mentioned above already, is the shoreline of Peconic Bay. The five pictures with their excessive captions just above "Languages" are unnecessary, as are the six in "Religion" and the five in "Economy" and "Education", respectively. A picture of jets on a runway does not illustrate "Transport" (or JFK) and should be removed. The UN HQ in "Federal representation" is misplaced and causes sandwiching. The section "Sports" also suffers from sandwiching; the picture of Lake Champlain is pretty, but doesn't really identify the lake (and contains some indefensible non-inclusive language). The picture of Belmont Park is similarly non-identifying. Places like the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown and the Museum of Racing in Saratoga Springs are mentioned in the text – if a reader is interested in their appearance, it's 1 click away. How many maps of the state are necessary? Further, I'm sure there is a less intrusive way to present the list of the state's major cities. Race and ethnicity composition shouldn't be presented twice. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 14:31, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Why not just remove all images from the article then?Stomping your foot and throwing a tantrum doesn't advance you argument.
Either do them thoroughly and properly, or don't do any at all.How many more thorough, proper arguments are needed? Please WP:LISTEN.
... would have to be taken up at a higher levelThis talk page is exactly the correct venue to discuss changes to this article. Don't be tempted to go forum shopping. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 05:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Having just skimmed through the History section of this article, there's a lot about events in NYC, but fairly superficial coverage about how the rest of the state was settled, Albany was chosen as the capital, various cities grew up, and borders evolved. -- Beland ( talk) 00:56, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect New Yourk State. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 ( talk) 22:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect State of new yourk. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 ( talk) 22:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Because of Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue; I have not included a citation for the NYS abbreviation, but for the purpose of redundancy, wanted to place this here to demonstrate to those outside of government studies, this is a ubiquitous acronym in the New York state government, even if it isn't something necessarily found in popular culture (when was the last time you heard someone call New York "NYS"?). See a Google search for the term "The New York State (NYS)" for all .gov domains. -- Simtropolitan (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
I ask because the official website of the "State or New York" also declares in its text to be the "State of New York" [1] So, why does Wikipedia use it's own creation that is odd looking and cumbersom to use in articles? Stretchrunner ( talk) 13:44, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
"The state's most populous city, New York City, makes up over 40% of the state's population. Two-thirds of the state's population lives in the New York metropolitan area, and nearly 40% lives on Long Island."
Maybe I ate too many paint chips as a kid, but I don't understand this, and hopefully someone with a more functional cortex can re-write it to be slightly more digestible for the rest of us simpletons. Out of the entire state's population, NYC makes up over 40%, 66.67% live in the NYC Metro Area (which includes huge chunks of the populations of New Jersey and Connecticut), and almost 40% live on Long Island.
So, Long Island and NYC = around 80% of NY's population? Or is Long Island almost 40% of the NY Metro Area? It's just written in a confusing way (for me). I think throwing the metro area in there like that doesn't help. 2/3 of NY's population lives in an area populated by 3 states? Maybe this requires more than two sentences. Maybe I need to buy a water filter. I don't know.
-- 24.161.40.44 ( talk) 15:55, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I would like to discuss the statistical chart on religious persons in New York State. I have expanded the section regarding religion and removed the chart, to which another fellow contributor openly stated their aggressive objection to the contribution. I expanded the information and removed to chart to give the article a less-cluttered appearance chart-wise. If it may be possible, I'd love to include the percentages in the text of the article as a compromise. These percentages would be akin to population and ethnic classifications as they are in articles. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 02:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I've updated the lede, but it would probably be good for someone to update the fact box and population section soon to reflect the large population loss that NY/NYC has suffered over the last couple of years since the data currently in those sections was collected. According to the July 1, 2021 Census update, New York State lost over 300,000 population between July 1, 2020 and July 1, 2021, bringing it down to 19,835,913 million. Of course, its rank of 4th largest is unchanged. Vbscript2 ( talk) 17:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
It appears I have gotten involved in a revert war with what I suppose is a moderator or administrator.
The person is being unhelpful, and nitpicking over words, while refusing to contribute to better phrasing.
The person is also refusing to accept a source from a medical websight that is peer-reviewed, regarding the nature of population density and spreading of viruses.
They appear to intend to suppress pertinant information in the light-handed criticism of how a Democrat governor handled the virus in a state with the nation's most densely populated city. I will use this talk page as mny first attempt to get that I strongly feel should be included to properly balance the issue with more factual informative background information.
The entire point of Wikipedia is for people to continue to improve upon this free encyclopedia with the best knowledge and information available. If you don't want to contribute positively, then you shouldn't be editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nihilianth ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
These are the facts that should be inserted in here, in order to balance potential right-wing misinformation war:
My Edit:
"It should be noted, however that 9 out of the 10 most densely populated cities in the nation, are in the New York City Metropolitan area, ranging from 57,116 people per square mile in Guttenberg, to 22,437 per square mile in Passaic with New York City itself with a population density of 27,016 per square mile. It should also be noted that NYC is the 8th most-visited city in the world, and the most-visited city in the United States with 13 million visitors annually. [96] It is the top destination for international travelers in the United States. It is well-known that population density plays a big part in the spread of infectious diseases such as viruses, and that limited contact with others is a known and well-publicized measure for controlling infectious diseases and saving lives.[97]"
Tillustrate the point:
Sources: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-population-density-virus-strains-affect.html - Eric Hamiliton, University Wisconsin-Madison published on Medical Express
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210114134042.htm - Science Daily. University Wisconsin-Madison
https://www.britannica.com/science/infectious-disease/Population-density - Encyclopedia Britannica
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7150207/ - PMC website, see Table 13.1 "Need of large population for continual transmission" as pne of the survival mechanisms for viruses.
https://www.cdc.gov/library/covid19/07232021_covidupdate.html - CDC an entire host of information regarding COVID research.
The earth is round. How much literature needs to be dug up to prove it? 1+1=2 Human actiuvity is the driving factor behind climate change.
COVID 19 is spread through saliva escaping the mouth and nose. That's why the CDC, the WHO, the entire emergency system across all nations and all continents, all insisted on mask use. Lower population densities, means less chances for the spread of the virus. Obviously. If you have nobody to sneeze on, then you have nobody to infect. If youre congregated around 10 people and you sneeze, that's 10 people you could have infected. That's how this works. Just like a fire. If there are no combustible sources near a flame, it isn't going to spread. That's how firebreaks work.
@Magnolia677
YOU are being disruptive by refusing to look at the facts presented, disengenuous with your source requirements (rejection of peer-reviewed conclusions published on Pubmed, but acceptance of Vox) in a rightwing narrative targeting a governor, while refusing pertinant factual information.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8239687/
I WILL see this information posted to this page, or I WILL see to it that a politician's name removed, and the fact that NY 50% of the nation's infections removed for being poorly sourced, and incomplete information. Nihilianth ( talk) 15:46, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Off topic: The "@" thing where you get a select drop down list after you start to type a user name, doesn't seem to work on a cell phone like it does on a computer. So please forgive me if this doesn't work right.
On topic: I still disagree. Original work on virology in general, still applies to COVID 19 like any other airborne saliva-ridden viruses. And it applies to New York City like it does anywhere else on the planet.
The fact that it is specifically about COVID in New York, does not change the nature of how viruses work. Anymore than any laws of physics does. The basic concept of how an internal combustion engine works in NYC in 2022, is the same as how an I.C.E works in Bombay, India in 1923.
It is very well established that the greater a population, the greater the population density, and the more mobile a population in an area that also recieves a very large number of people from outside sources, the greater the risk of the spread of a virus.
That big shutdown for an entire year around the entire world; sporting events, restaurants, museums, "social distancing (which became a major part of our worlwide lexicon!), major restrictions at airports and seaports clear across the entire globe; that didn't occur "just because!" It was made policy by virtually every single government in existence, and all supranational governments too, like the EU. Even congresses and parliaments around the world; court hearings, corporate meetings, etc took place via Skype!
I'm telling you, I am NOT making this up. It is entirely relevant, and why the mayor of NYC got in a bit spat with Trump over trying to obtain more of those breathing machines at one point. Because NYC was always and still is, singularly at greater than anywhere else in the United States.
I gave numerous sources that showed how viruses work. One was even a COVID-related source, but the study conducted in Turkey rather than in NYC. That's was the first and my main source I used, but was shot down as WP:SYNTH! It wasn't! It was a study of the Coronavirus, that just happened to be conducted in a different location. A Ferrari in Italy runs exactly the same as a Ferrari in Alabama. The coronavirus (and airborne viruses in general), pretty much work the same in Turkey as it does in NYC. So that concern really is illrelevant.
However, the Moosa 2021 study I linked to last should be more than sufficient. It not only conducted its own study, but used numerous other verfafiable sources that makes the case:
Population density significantly increases the number of cases.
Again, you can't use rightwing talking points in criticizing a certain politician or a certain city/state, without balancing it with actual facts. That flies in the face of what Wikipedia is, and it's goals. Nihilianth ( talk) 20:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved because it was overwhelmingly opposed ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 15:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
New York (state) →
New York State – The proposed title is a valid form of
WP:NATURAL disambiguation for the page, and policy prefers natural disambiguation to parenthetical disambiguation when possible. Per
WP:AT, Adding a disambiguating term in parentheses after the ambiguous name is Wikipedia's standard disambiguation technique when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title
. As such, parenthetical disambiguation should only be resorted to when
WP:NATURAL disambiguation fails. —
Red-tailed hawk
(nest)
04:49, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Strongly support Ordinary people (both inside and outside the Empire State) and most prose outside Wikiworld distinguish New York City from New York State in exactly this way. It took years to stop "New York" automatically opening or redirecting to the State page, although most people outside New York State (and many within it) think of the City when they say or write "New York". That said, however, I'm not really in favour of flipping (as I think is the present case) all "New York" enquiries to the City. "New York" is probably a good candidate for a disambiguation page, without a parenthetical (disambiguation). Cf. Greater New York and Greater New York City, where it's about equally likely that someone wants to know about the Five Boroughs since 1898 or about the New York metropolitan area. —— Shakescene ( talk) 18:56, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
we have decided that the "(state)" paren is the way to disambiguatein this circumstance. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 23:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Strong Oppose per Elli, common name of both city and state is New York. The parenthetical "state" is enough to distinguish between the two. Technically this should be a more broad RFC about renaming all states (State of..., Commonwealth of...) which would burn into an unrecognizable heap of ash.-- ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 13:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
[[New York (state)|]]
works with the
pipe trick; [[New York State|New York]]
does not, so you'd actually need to type more characters if you didn't want the link to say "New York State". –
Epicgenius (
talk)
20:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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@ Moxy: I have removed the tag because I don't see any particular location having too many images. What specific sections do you think have too many images? epicgenius ( talk) 17:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I removed the "Panoramas of New York" section yesterday, which seems like the very definition of what Wikipedia is not according to WP:GALLERIES. The galleries in "Race and ethicity" and "Religion" also need to be removed, and even include a duplicate photo for what its worth. Same with ones in Education and Economy sections. It seemed like there was agreement on this topic based on this discussion, but my edits were reverted by Castncoot ( talk · contribs) because it was "thousands of longstanding bytes." What do other editors think?-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 21:24, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree that the article had, and now has again, too many pictures. An obvious candidate for removal, mentioned above already, is the shoreline of Peconic Bay. The five pictures with their excessive captions just above "Languages" are unnecessary, as are the six in "Religion" and the five in "Economy" and "Education", respectively. A picture of jets on a runway does not illustrate "Transport" (or JFK) and should be removed. The UN HQ in "Federal representation" is misplaced and causes sandwiching. The section "Sports" also suffers from sandwiching; the picture of Lake Champlain is pretty, but doesn't really identify the lake (and contains some indefensible non-inclusive language). The picture of Belmont Park is similarly non-identifying. Places like the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown and the Museum of Racing in Saratoga Springs are mentioned in the text – if a reader is interested in their appearance, it's 1 click away. How many maps of the state are necessary? Further, I'm sure there is a less intrusive way to present the list of the state's major cities. Race and ethnicity composition shouldn't be presented twice. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 14:31, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Why not just remove all images from the article then?Stomping your foot and throwing a tantrum doesn't advance you argument.
Either do them thoroughly and properly, or don't do any at all.How many more thorough, proper arguments are needed? Please WP:LISTEN.
... would have to be taken up at a higher levelThis talk page is exactly the correct venue to discuss changes to this article. Don't be tempted to go forum shopping. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 05:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Having just skimmed through the History section of this article, there's a lot about events in NYC, but fairly superficial coverage about how the rest of the state was settled, Albany was chosen as the capital, various cities grew up, and borders evolved. -- Beland ( talk) 00:56, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect New Yourk State. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 ( talk) 22:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect State of new yourk. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 ( talk) 22:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Because of Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue; I have not included a citation for the NYS abbreviation, but for the purpose of redundancy, wanted to place this here to demonstrate to those outside of government studies, this is a ubiquitous acronym in the New York state government, even if it isn't something necessarily found in popular culture (when was the last time you heard someone call New York "NYS"?). See a Google search for the term "The New York State (NYS)" for all .gov domains. -- Simtropolitan (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
I ask because the official website of the "State or New York" also declares in its text to be the "State of New York" [1] So, why does Wikipedia use it's own creation that is odd looking and cumbersom to use in articles? Stretchrunner ( talk) 13:44, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
"The state's most populous city, New York City, makes up over 40% of the state's population. Two-thirds of the state's population lives in the New York metropolitan area, and nearly 40% lives on Long Island."
Maybe I ate too many paint chips as a kid, but I don't understand this, and hopefully someone with a more functional cortex can re-write it to be slightly more digestible for the rest of us simpletons. Out of the entire state's population, NYC makes up over 40%, 66.67% live in the NYC Metro Area (which includes huge chunks of the populations of New Jersey and Connecticut), and almost 40% live on Long Island.
So, Long Island and NYC = around 80% of NY's population? Or is Long Island almost 40% of the NY Metro Area? It's just written in a confusing way (for me). I think throwing the metro area in there like that doesn't help. 2/3 of NY's population lives in an area populated by 3 states? Maybe this requires more than two sentences. Maybe I need to buy a water filter. I don't know.
-- 24.161.40.44 ( talk) 15:55, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I would like to discuss the statistical chart on religious persons in New York State. I have expanded the section regarding religion and removed the chart, to which another fellow contributor openly stated their aggressive objection to the contribution. I expanded the information and removed to chart to give the article a less-cluttered appearance chart-wise. If it may be possible, I'd love to include the percentages in the text of the article as a compromise. These percentages would be akin to population and ethnic classifications as they are in articles. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 02:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I've updated the lede, but it would probably be good for someone to update the fact box and population section soon to reflect the large population loss that NY/NYC has suffered over the last couple of years since the data currently in those sections was collected. According to the July 1, 2021 Census update, New York State lost over 300,000 population between July 1, 2020 and July 1, 2021, bringing it down to 19,835,913 million. Of course, its rank of 4th largest is unchanged. Vbscript2 ( talk) 17:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
It appears I have gotten involved in a revert war with what I suppose is a moderator or administrator.
The person is being unhelpful, and nitpicking over words, while refusing to contribute to better phrasing.
The person is also refusing to accept a source from a medical websight that is peer-reviewed, regarding the nature of population density and spreading of viruses.
They appear to intend to suppress pertinant information in the light-handed criticism of how a Democrat governor handled the virus in a state with the nation's most densely populated city. I will use this talk page as mny first attempt to get that I strongly feel should be included to properly balance the issue with more factual informative background information.
The entire point of Wikipedia is for people to continue to improve upon this free encyclopedia with the best knowledge and information available. If you don't want to contribute positively, then you shouldn't be editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nihilianth ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
These are the facts that should be inserted in here, in order to balance potential right-wing misinformation war:
My Edit:
"It should be noted, however that 9 out of the 10 most densely populated cities in the nation, are in the New York City Metropolitan area, ranging from 57,116 people per square mile in Guttenberg, to 22,437 per square mile in Passaic with New York City itself with a population density of 27,016 per square mile. It should also be noted that NYC is the 8th most-visited city in the world, and the most-visited city in the United States with 13 million visitors annually. [96] It is the top destination for international travelers in the United States. It is well-known that population density plays a big part in the spread of infectious diseases such as viruses, and that limited contact with others is a known and well-publicized measure for controlling infectious diseases and saving lives.[97]"
Tillustrate the point:
Sources: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-population-density-virus-strains-affect.html - Eric Hamiliton, University Wisconsin-Madison published on Medical Express
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210114134042.htm - Science Daily. University Wisconsin-Madison
https://www.britannica.com/science/infectious-disease/Population-density - Encyclopedia Britannica
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7150207/ - PMC website, see Table 13.1 "Need of large population for continual transmission" as pne of the survival mechanisms for viruses.
https://www.cdc.gov/library/covid19/07232021_covidupdate.html - CDC an entire host of information regarding COVID research.
The earth is round. How much literature needs to be dug up to prove it? 1+1=2 Human actiuvity is the driving factor behind climate change.
COVID 19 is spread through saliva escaping the mouth and nose. That's why the CDC, the WHO, the entire emergency system across all nations and all continents, all insisted on mask use. Lower population densities, means less chances for the spread of the virus. Obviously. If you have nobody to sneeze on, then you have nobody to infect. If youre congregated around 10 people and you sneeze, that's 10 people you could have infected. That's how this works. Just like a fire. If there are no combustible sources near a flame, it isn't going to spread. That's how firebreaks work.
@Magnolia677
YOU are being disruptive by refusing to look at the facts presented, disengenuous with your source requirements (rejection of peer-reviewed conclusions published on Pubmed, but acceptance of Vox) in a rightwing narrative targeting a governor, while refusing pertinant factual information.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8239687/
I WILL see this information posted to this page, or I WILL see to it that a politician's name removed, and the fact that NY 50% of the nation's infections removed for being poorly sourced, and incomplete information. Nihilianth ( talk) 15:46, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Off topic: The "@" thing where you get a select drop down list after you start to type a user name, doesn't seem to work on a cell phone like it does on a computer. So please forgive me if this doesn't work right.
On topic: I still disagree. Original work on virology in general, still applies to COVID 19 like any other airborne saliva-ridden viruses. And it applies to New York City like it does anywhere else on the planet.
The fact that it is specifically about COVID in New York, does not change the nature of how viruses work. Anymore than any laws of physics does. The basic concept of how an internal combustion engine works in NYC in 2022, is the same as how an I.C.E works in Bombay, India in 1923.
It is very well established that the greater a population, the greater the population density, and the more mobile a population in an area that also recieves a very large number of people from outside sources, the greater the risk of the spread of a virus.
That big shutdown for an entire year around the entire world; sporting events, restaurants, museums, "social distancing (which became a major part of our worlwide lexicon!), major restrictions at airports and seaports clear across the entire globe; that didn't occur "just because!" It was made policy by virtually every single government in existence, and all supranational governments too, like the EU. Even congresses and parliaments around the world; court hearings, corporate meetings, etc took place via Skype!
I'm telling you, I am NOT making this up. It is entirely relevant, and why the mayor of NYC got in a bit spat with Trump over trying to obtain more of those breathing machines at one point. Because NYC was always and still is, singularly at greater than anywhere else in the United States.
I gave numerous sources that showed how viruses work. One was even a COVID-related source, but the study conducted in Turkey rather than in NYC. That's was the first and my main source I used, but was shot down as WP:SYNTH! It wasn't! It was a study of the Coronavirus, that just happened to be conducted in a different location. A Ferrari in Italy runs exactly the same as a Ferrari in Alabama. The coronavirus (and airborne viruses in general), pretty much work the same in Turkey as it does in NYC. So that concern really is illrelevant.
However, the Moosa 2021 study I linked to last should be more than sufficient. It not only conducted its own study, but used numerous other verfafiable sources that makes the case:
Population density significantly increases the number of cases.
Again, you can't use rightwing talking points in criticizing a certain politician or a certain city/state, without balancing it with actual facts. That flies in the face of what Wikipedia is, and it's goals. Nihilianth ( talk) 20:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved because it was overwhelmingly opposed ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 15:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
New York (state) →
New York State – The proposed title is a valid form of
WP:NATURAL disambiguation for the page, and policy prefers natural disambiguation to parenthetical disambiguation when possible. Per
WP:AT, Adding a disambiguating term in parentheses after the ambiguous name is Wikipedia's standard disambiguation technique when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title
. As such, parenthetical disambiguation should only be resorted to when
WP:NATURAL disambiguation fails. —
Red-tailed hawk
(nest)
04:49, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Strongly support Ordinary people (both inside and outside the Empire State) and most prose outside Wikiworld distinguish New York City from New York State in exactly this way. It took years to stop "New York" automatically opening or redirecting to the State page, although most people outside New York State (and many within it) think of the City when they say or write "New York". That said, however, I'm not really in favour of flipping (as I think is the present case) all "New York" enquiries to the City. "New York" is probably a good candidate for a disambiguation page, without a parenthetical (disambiguation). Cf. Greater New York and Greater New York City, where it's about equally likely that someone wants to know about the Five Boroughs since 1898 or about the New York metropolitan area. —— Shakescene ( talk) 18:56, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
we have decided that the "(state)" paren is the way to disambiguatein this circumstance. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 23:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Strong Oppose per Elli, common name of both city and state is New York. The parenthetical "state" is enough to distinguish between the two. Technically this should be a more broad RFC about renaming all states (State of..., Commonwealth of...) which would burn into an unrecognizable heap of ash.-- ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 13:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
[[New York (state)|]]
works with the
pipe trick; [[New York State|New York]]
does not, so you'd actually need to type more characters if you didn't want the link to say "New York State". –
Epicgenius (
talk)
20:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)