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Keystone18

You’re basicly gonna have to go on an edit war with him and take it to the MOS talk page before he stops. Already had to do it once. Good luck! Famartin ( talk) 00:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Unfortunately, I have to play devil's advocate again for someone to get the point. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 03:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC) reply
His contribution summary was very hilariously bad; he stated I moved the template to the sports section, when the section is verbatim called, "culture." - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 03:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC) reply

47thVols request on my talk

If you feel it necessary to accommodate him, by all means, but I am leaving it alone. Famartin ( talk) 01:15, 30 May 2023 (UTC) reply

We both left the conversation alone two days ago, and we both operated in good faith; whereas their behavioral similarities and article affinities were questioned for the purpose of a sock investigation. I clarified with some final responses, and left them be. If they choose to come here and escalate anything, they will be reverted and ignored like the plague; I do not have time for combative, explosive conversations and demands for discussing another editor in good faith, and assuming—in good faith—similarities between the two. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 13:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC) reply

These multiple images in infoboxes make everyone crazy, and push the infobox half-way to Florida. Look at San Francisco. Does it really need all those images in the infobox, or just one nice one of the bridge? And all the fights over which ones are prettier. How do you resolve it? Put 12 photos into an RFC and let editors vote? What a time-taker that would be. I love a well-done collage, but I'd be happy to see them outlawed too. I also prefer your choice of photos at Fort Worth. Hey, cheers! Magnolia677 ( talk) 15:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

As we say in church, I'm trying to keep my religion right now. As for the current San Francisco one, it looks nice in contrast with others which added 15 something images. Nice top and bottom imagery. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 16:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

US => U.S. in Michigan

Hello, and thanks for your many recent edits on Michigan. I'm wondering why you felt it necessary to change all the instances of "US" to "U.S.", most especially in this edit. I had just changed a bunch of the "U.S." instances to "US" for consistency on the basis of MOS:US (the article had been mixed). Why didn't you just leave it consistent as it was when you found it? Thanks, —  JohnFromPinckney ( talk / edits) 02:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Michigan articles

I'm not sure why you're restructuring numerous municipality articles to combine the communities into the geography sections, when that is not the established format used throughout the state. The communities are typically listed as the first section in a municipality article and not combined with the geography section, which is usually placed under the history section (if there is one). Also, can you explain why you are removing census maps from county articles? You might want to have a discussion with some of the more established Michigan editors before you make such radical changes, although any restructuring ideas and edits are always welcome on Wikipedia with consensus. - Notorious4life ( talk) 02:13, 4 August 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi there! Communities are being combined into the geography section because by wp:commonsense, these communities form an inherent part of their geography. Next, they have been typically listed as the first section in a municipality article, though it goes against typical styles for settlement articles. Additionally, the climate was placed below demographics in so many articles which is hilariously bad. Census maps have been removed, but re-added pending your contributions, for the sake of some articles having too many images and pushing content down; Wikipedia summarizes, and isn't a mere directory. Pertaining to discussion with "more established Michigan editors," that can be easily disregarded as I have a track-record of working throughout multiple state and county articles on Wikipedia—all of which have gone overwhelmingly approved of when cleaning up this encyclopedia. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 02:17, 4 August 2023 (UTC) reply

Archbishop J. Delano Ellis

The reverting of recent changes made to that page should be reviewed by an independent third party. It seems that the reviewer who has reverted the changes may be relying on general comments or may have a personal view. I believe the changes made were theologically and ecclesiastically correct. Can anyone comment on where such arguments about changes on Wikipedia can be taken further? Is it down to the opinion of a single reviewer? Deltango ( talk) 18:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC) reply

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"Three Georgia counties"

No, this phrase is total "common sense" in the introduction to the article Savannah metropolitan area. Savannah lies on the border with South Carolina, and most metropolitan statistical areas straddle two states, with counties in both. That's the case with two other Georgia metros, Augusta and Columbus, which also have counties in South Carolina and Alabama, respectively. Savannah's metro area doesn't, so its three counties (Chatham, Bryan and Effingham) must be identified as being only in Georgia. Mason.Jones ( talk) 16:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Thank you! TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 14:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Hello, TheLionSeen. Do you agree that we should separate christian sects and established churches separately because it would create confusion and the wiki should not be biased or subjective on what churches are more important?!

Doyou agree with this? MaxAfton ( talk) 17:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply

There has been no confusion within the article. The information is in plain English, and it seems the only overt bias on "importance" comes from those who choose not to read. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 17:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Just a stylistic note regarding your recent edit: In U.S.-related articles, Commonwealth English expressions such as "Georgian and South Carolinian counties" are inappropriate, as this is not American usage. When a state is used as an adjective, it is always "Georgia and South Carolina counties," "California cities," etc. Second, please do not use the term "metropolis" unless you are referring to a large city of a million or more inhabitants. Thanks. Mason.Jones ( talk) 16:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Hey, thanks!! - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 17:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply

2020 and 2022 population statistics

I also noticed that you are replacing updated estimates for 2022 in the infobox with the old 2020 census figure. Those are updated estimates, which are normally added by editors in the years following the decennial census (and they are official figures from the U.S. Census Bureau). I encourage you to review these articles and return them to their latest estimate. Finally, all general population statistics come from the U.S. Census Bureau, never the American Community Survey (ACS); the ACS is strictly a survey of language use and other social statistics. Mason.Jones ( talk) 16:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi, I have added those estimates and census figures in the MSA articles; on another note, who are you and why do you continue to be WP:WIKISTALKING me? You have left for a long time, and then return with a seeming spirit of expertise, and I do not like the seeming ignorance to the fact that the ACS is used in a plethora of U.S. articles and includes yes, population data. While it seemed as though you operated in good faith, if you continue to WP:WIKIHOUND at me by stalking my contributions and then offering commentary, I am going to have no choice but to report you to the administration through the noticeboard. I am tired of feeling uncomfortable by your demeanor, Mason.Jones. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 17:43, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply
ACS statistics are not used for city and metro populations in U.S.-related articles. They must match List of U.S. cities by population and Metropolitan statistical areas, where the latest official figures are listed and ranked. No discrepancies. I will take these issues myself to an administrator for adjudication. You continue to add inappropriate text, conflate (and confuse) demographic concepts, insert false information, and replace valid figures. Mason.Jones ( talk) 18:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply
I have been laboring to the best my ability for months, and you may escalate this as you wish. I simply read the sources given, and do not intentionally insert false information. I operated in good faith as several other state-wide articles have used the ACS when referring to population tables too, alongside broader characteristics. I am going to continue contributing to this encyclopedia. As for valid, where? I am the one who has overhauled roughly half of Georgia's articles with the most up-to-date information, properly sourced. As observed with the Albany metropolitan area, Georgia article, I even began replacing with the cited information. You only reverted the Hinesville metropolitan area contribution and didn't even bother to add a citation. So, who would be more at fault here when an administrator does become involved, Mason.Jones? - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 18:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply
I forgot to add this further remark: I am only human, so give me and other contributors here time to work and further improve the encyclopedia, rather than hound, suggest, and go back-and-forth with stalking other contributors edits on Wikipedia. So, as I have decreed, escalate as you wish. But, I am for the most part done conversating with you because of your demeanor and rude accusations, further necessitating my feelings of being stalked on Wikipedia. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 18:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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Two wrongs never makes a right, and I didn't keep track of the timeframe. TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 13:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Decline reason:

If you're concerned about the time frame, you're edit warring pretty much by definition. The three revert rule isn't the problem, it's just the symptom. The edit warring is the problem. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 14:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply


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Keystone18

You’re basicly gonna have to go on an edit war with him and take it to the MOS talk page before he stops. Already had to do it once. Good luck! Famartin ( talk) 00:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Unfortunately, I have to play devil's advocate again for someone to get the point. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 03:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC) reply
His contribution summary was very hilariously bad; he stated I moved the template to the sports section, when the section is verbatim called, "culture." - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 03:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC) reply

47thVols request on my talk

If you feel it necessary to accommodate him, by all means, but I am leaving it alone. Famartin ( talk) 01:15, 30 May 2023 (UTC) reply

We both left the conversation alone two days ago, and we both operated in good faith; whereas their behavioral similarities and article affinities were questioned for the purpose of a sock investigation. I clarified with some final responses, and left them be. If they choose to come here and escalate anything, they will be reverted and ignored like the plague; I do not have time for combative, explosive conversations and demands for discussing another editor in good faith, and assuming—in good faith—similarities between the two. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 13:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC) reply

These multiple images in infoboxes make everyone crazy, and push the infobox half-way to Florida. Look at San Francisco. Does it really need all those images in the infobox, or just one nice one of the bridge? And all the fights over which ones are prettier. How do you resolve it? Put 12 photos into an RFC and let editors vote? What a time-taker that would be. I love a well-done collage, but I'd be happy to see them outlawed too. I also prefer your choice of photos at Fort Worth. Hey, cheers! Magnolia677 ( talk) 15:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

As we say in church, I'm trying to keep my religion right now. As for the current San Francisco one, it looks nice in contrast with others which added 15 something images. Nice top and bottom imagery. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 16:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

US => U.S. in Michigan

Hello, and thanks for your many recent edits on Michigan. I'm wondering why you felt it necessary to change all the instances of "US" to "U.S.", most especially in this edit. I had just changed a bunch of the "U.S." instances to "US" for consistency on the basis of MOS:US (the article had been mixed). Why didn't you just leave it consistent as it was when you found it? Thanks, —  JohnFromPinckney ( talk / edits) 02:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Michigan articles

I'm not sure why you're restructuring numerous municipality articles to combine the communities into the geography sections, when that is not the established format used throughout the state. The communities are typically listed as the first section in a municipality article and not combined with the geography section, which is usually placed under the history section (if there is one). Also, can you explain why you are removing census maps from county articles? You might want to have a discussion with some of the more established Michigan editors before you make such radical changes, although any restructuring ideas and edits are always welcome on Wikipedia with consensus. - Notorious4life ( talk) 02:13, 4 August 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi there! Communities are being combined into the geography section because by wp:commonsense, these communities form an inherent part of their geography. Next, they have been typically listed as the first section in a municipality article, though it goes against typical styles for settlement articles. Additionally, the climate was placed below demographics in so many articles which is hilariously bad. Census maps have been removed, but re-added pending your contributions, for the sake of some articles having too many images and pushing content down; Wikipedia summarizes, and isn't a mere directory. Pertaining to discussion with "more established Michigan editors," that can be easily disregarded as I have a track-record of working throughout multiple state and county articles on Wikipedia—all of which have gone overwhelmingly approved of when cleaning up this encyclopedia. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 02:17, 4 August 2023 (UTC) reply

Archbishop J. Delano Ellis

The reverting of recent changes made to that page should be reviewed by an independent third party. It seems that the reviewer who has reverted the changes may be relying on general comments or may have a personal view. I believe the changes made were theologically and ecclesiastically correct. Can anyone comment on where such arguments about changes on Wikipedia can be taken further? Is it down to the opinion of a single reviewer? Deltango ( talk) 18:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC) reply

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"Three Georgia counties"

No, this phrase is total "common sense" in the introduction to the article Savannah metropolitan area. Savannah lies on the border with South Carolina, and most metropolitan statistical areas straddle two states, with counties in both. That's the case with two other Georgia metros, Augusta and Columbus, which also have counties in South Carolina and Alabama, respectively. Savannah's metro area doesn't, so its three counties (Chatham, Bryan and Effingham) must be identified as being only in Georgia. Mason.Jones ( talk) 16:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC) reply

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good start

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Thank you! TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 14:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Hello, TheLionSeen. Do you agree that we should separate christian sects and established churches separately because it would create confusion and the wiki should not be biased or subjective on what churches are more important?!

Doyou agree with this? MaxAfton ( talk) 17:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply

There has been no confusion within the article. The information is in plain English, and it seems the only overt bias on "importance" comes from those who choose not to read. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 17:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Just a stylistic note regarding your recent edit: In U.S.-related articles, Commonwealth English expressions such as "Georgian and South Carolinian counties" are inappropriate, as this is not American usage. When a state is used as an adjective, it is always "Georgia and South Carolina counties," "California cities," etc. Second, please do not use the term "metropolis" unless you are referring to a large city of a million or more inhabitants. Thanks. Mason.Jones ( talk) 16:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Hey, thanks!! - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 17:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply

2020 and 2022 population statistics

I also noticed that you are replacing updated estimates for 2022 in the infobox with the old 2020 census figure. Those are updated estimates, which are normally added by editors in the years following the decennial census (and they are official figures from the U.S. Census Bureau). I encourage you to review these articles and return them to their latest estimate. Finally, all general population statistics come from the U.S. Census Bureau, never the American Community Survey (ACS); the ACS is strictly a survey of language use and other social statistics. Mason.Jones ( talk) 16:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi, I have added those estimates and census figures in the MSA articles; on another note, who are you and why do you continue to be WP:WIKISTALKING me? You have left for a long time, and then return with a seeming spirit of expertise, and I do not like the seeming ignorance to the fact that the ACS is used in a plethora of U.S. articles and includes yes, population data. While it seemed as though you operated in good faith, if you continue to WP:WIKIHOUND at me by stalking my contributions and then offering commentary, I am going to have no choice but to report you to the administration through the noticeboard. I am tired of feeling uncomfortable by your demeanor, Mason.Jones. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 17:43, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply
ACS statistics are not used for city and metro populations in U.S.-related articles. They must match List of U.S. cities by population and Metropolitan statistical areas, where the latest official figures are listed and ranked. No discrepancies. I will take these issues myself to an administrator for adjudication. You continue to add inappropriate text, conflate (and confuse) demographic concepts, insert false information, and replace valid figures. Mason.Jones ( talk) 18:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply
I have been laboring to the best my ability for months, and you may escalate this as you wish. I simply read the sources given, and do not intentionally insert false information. I operated in good faith as several other state-wide articles have used the ACS when referring to population tables too, alongside broader characteristics. I am going to continue contributing to this encyclopedia. As for valid, where? I am the one who has overhauled roughly half of Georgia's articles with the most up-to-date information, properly sourced. As observed with the Albany metropolitan area, Georgia article, I even began replacing with the cited information. You only reverted the Hinesville metropolitan area contribution and didn't even bother to add a citation. So, who would be more at fault here when an administrator does become involved, Mason.Jones? - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 18:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply
I forgot to add this further remark: I am only human, so give me and other contributors here time to work and further improve the encyclopedia, rather than hound, suggest, and go back-and-forth with stalking other contributors edits on Wikipedia. So, as I have decreed, escalate as you wish. But, I am for the most part done conversating with you because of your demeanor and rude accusations, further necessitating my feelings of being stalked on Wikipedia. - TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 18:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Nomination of Ecumenical Catholic Church of Christ for deletion

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Two wrongs never makes a right, and I didn't keep track of the timeframe. TheLionHasSeen ( talk) 13:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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If you're concerned about the time frame, you're edit warring pretty much by definition. The three revert rule isn't the problem, it's just the symptom. The edit warring is the problem. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 14:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC) reply


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