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I renovated the entire article. In the process I dropped some good material, noted here:
The reason is there is no attribution to these views. Since the term is so "slippery" and changes so radically depending on who uses it, the only rational way to approach it is provide a name and work on whose views these are. -- Stbalbach 21:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this text:
Couple problems:
Basically what is written above sounds like a general description of what neomedievalism is - but its not attributed to anyone. Since neomedievalism is such a "slipper" topic with so many POV's on how to define it, we really need to cite who said it and what their POV and affiliation is, like the other authors and papers mentioned, preferably by well known and notable authors on the subject. -- Stbalbach 14:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
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Ok thanks for citing the name Shane Martin Coughlan, as grad student. Although it is still unclear why a grad student is a notable source - indeed, the source looks self-published - where has it been published? Also, what is his point, how and why is what he says notable? He doesn't really seem to be saying anything different. The other commentators take a new tract on it, which is why they are mentioned. -- Stbalbach 16:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I boldly merged the largely identical material at New Medievalism to this page. Alarichall ( talk) 12:06, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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"Neo-medievalism (or neomedievalism, new medievalism) is a term with a long history[1] that has acquired specific technical senses in two branches of scholarship." So right off the bat, we're actually talking about two different things. This article was a bit of a difficult read for me since I know nothing of the subject. But it seems that the first definition is about anti-globalization, while the second definiton seems to be a critique of the high fantasy genre. I came to this article looking for a style of fashion based on Medieval clothing. Which is something I found referenced in the Medievalism article. That article also links to this article, for the second definition.
I think that the two definitions discussed within this article need to be separate articles. The anti-globalization with the hopes of creating a more medieval society seems, from what I can tell, closer to neo-feudalism than anything else. If it isn't, please explain it to me. The common ground between the two can be mentioned within those articles, not as a way to combine two different concepts together. I also think this study of the high fantasy/historical genre should be added to Medievalism. I know little about these topics and, like I said, it was a hard read. I'd probably make a big mistake trying to separate the two. Wacape ( talk) 03:16, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
The article states "some work sees the two conceptions of neomedievalism as overlapping in illuminating ways" - trying to separate them would create less understanding and more confusion. For example, it was proposed that the new article be called 'Neo-medievalism (popular culture)' but popular culture isn't specially what this article is about. The word neo-medievalism just means "new medievalism" and is often associated with popular culture appropriations of medieval tropes, which is covered in the article medievalism. That article says "medievalism and neomedievalism tend to be used interchangeably". So on Wikipedia Neomedievalism is the more narrow academic and difficult conception, medievalism for the broader sense you were probably looking for. Medievalism leads to Middle Ages in popular culture and Historical_reenactment#Clothing_and_equipment. -- Green C 21:51, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Does this article discuss two different things and require a split, or are these two topics relevant enough to stay in one article? Wacape ( talk) 01:55, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
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I renovated the entire article. In the process I dropped some good material, noted here:
The reason is there is no attribution to these views. Since the term is so "slippery" and changes so radically depending on who uses it, the only rational way to approach it is provide a name and work on whose views these are. -- Stbalbach 21:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this text:
Couple problems:
Basically what is written above sounds like a general description of what neomedievalism is - but its not attributed to anyone. Since neomedievalism is such a "slipper" topic with so many POV's on how to define it, we really need to cite who said it and what their POV and affiliation is, like the other authors and papers mentioned, preferably by well known and notable authors on the subject. -- Stbalbach 14:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
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Ok thanks for citing the name Shane Martin Coughlan, as grad student. Although it is still unclear why a grad student is a notable source - indeed, the source looks self-published - where has it been published? Also, what is his point, how and why is what he says notable? He doesn't really seem to be saying anything different. The other commentators take a new tract on it, which is why they are mentioned. -- Stbalbach 16:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I boldly merged the largely identical material at New Medievalism to this page. Alarichall ( talk) 12:06, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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"Neo-medievalism (or neomedievalism, new medievalism) is a term with a long history[1] that has acquired specific technical senses in two branches of scholarship." So right off the bat, we're actually talking about two different things. This article was a bit of a difficult read for me since I know nothing of the subject. But it seems that the first definition is about anti-globalization, while the second definiton seems to be a critique of the high fantasy genre. I came to this article looking for a style of fashion based on Medieval clothing. Which is something I found referenced in the Medievalism article. That article also links to this article, for the second definition.
I think that the two definitions discussed within this article need to be separate articles. The anti-globalization with the hopes of creating a more medieval society seems, from what I can tell, closer to neo-feudalism than anything else. If it isn't, please explain it to me. The common ground between the two can be mentioned within those articles, not as a way to combine two different concepts together. I also think this study of the high fantasy/historical genre should be added to Medievalism. I know little about these topics and, like I said, it was a hard read. I'd probably make a big mistake trying to separate the two. Wacape ( talk) 03:16, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
The article states "some work sees the two conceptions of neomedievalism as overlapping in illuminating ways" - trying to separate them would create less understanding and more confusion. For example, it was proposed that the new article be called 'Neo-medievalism (popular culture)' but popular culture isn't specially what this article is about. The word neo-medievalism just means "new medievalism" and is often associated with popular culture appropriations of medieval tropes, which is covered in the article medievalism. That article says "medievalism and neomedievalism tend to be used interchangeably". So on Wikipedia Neomedievalism is the more narrow academic and difficult conception, medievalism for the broader sense you were probably looking for. Medievalism leads to Middle Ages in popular culture and Historical_reenactment#Clothing_and_equipment. -- Green C 21:51, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Does this article discuss two different things and require a split, or are these two topics relevant enough to stay in one article? Wacape ( talk) 01:55, 20 October 2018 (UTC)