There was no consensus to merge.-- B. Wolterding 17:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I propose to merge the content of Printer's Alley into here, since the notability of that article has been questioned. In fact, the article contains very little encyclopedic content, it could easily be merged here.
Please add your comments below. Proposed as part of the Notability wikiproject. -- B. Wolterding 22:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone should put a new picture of Nashville in the side colomn of the main article. The other picture is quite aged by now, just for anyone's knowledge. Giancarlo1992 21:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I am willing to create a list of neighborhoods and districts in Nashville and link it to the main Nashville page so we don't have a list going all the way down the page, I'm just stumped on which city I should use as a model. Any suggestions? Anonymous615 ( talk) 23:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
This article needs a lot of work to bring it up to WP:GA standards as described at WP:WIAGA. The WP:LEAD is subpar for a major city GA. The article is in general undercited. I will be delisting later this week if there are no objections. Otherwise, we can handle this at WP:GAR.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTD) 03:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
it is narrow minded to only include the christian and country aspects of nashville when in reality nashville has a thriving music culture in other areas such as hip hop and rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Limonns ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Why would you call it the "so-called" great train wreck in Nashville, Tn on July 9,1918. 101 people died . Many were soldiers returning from WWI and over have of the victims were African Americans going to work in the Dupont plant.This was very gruesome and tragic event. The newspaper says that wagon loads of body parts were taken to the morge. One witness said that the young mother sitting next to him was decapitaited and her arm was shoved "into her baby." I don't know what Wikipedia ment by the "so-called" great train wreck, but it sounds like a terrible wreck to me. The 1998 article reads "worst train wreck in US history." I am obviously offended by your statement . You should change that before a survivor or relative of someone who was killed reads it.i understand that ignorance was probaly the reason for this offensive blunder. So you are forgiven, but you need to change the statement.
This article is getting too long and awkward; it's time to prune. I don't think we need all the stuff from the Chamber of Commerce page--a link to there would suffice. An encyclopedia is not a promotional brochure, after all. And I don't think we really need the list of neighborhoods, either. RivGuySC 20:42, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Since there is no copyright or licensing information provided for any of the skyline images, I'm going to have to remove them from the article for now. Anyone know of any good public domain images of the Nashville skyline? Kaldari 19:53, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've added a table of notable bridges to the Transportation section. I don't think it's necessary to list every bridge in Nashville (since there are dozens), but I thought it might be useful to include the better known ones. Hunting down the lengths and opening dates has been something of a scavenger hunt. If anyone wants to help fill in the blanks, it would be much appreciated. Kaldari 02:38, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement on what exactly Nashville's biggest industry is. Although this article originally stated that finance and insurance were the biggest, I haven't been able to find any sources to back this up. Most sources seem to suggest health care is currently the biggest:
I found one source (from 7 years ago) suggesting publishing was the largest industry:
I also found a source suggesting that finance and insurance may not be as important to Nashville's economy as they once were:
Kaldari 22:42, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
My grandmother, who lived in Nashville for many years, told me that Earl Scruggs lived down the street from her. Can anyone confirm about either Flatt or Scruggs? Shoaler 11:24, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
I got rid of Bjtitus's addition of record executive Mike Curb as a notable resident. If we add Mike Curb, we'll have to add every single other record executive that lives here...unless there's something extraordinarily special about him.
Zpb52 04:34, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
- There is something extraordinary and special about Mike Curb. He was a former recording artist. He owns his own label and his launched names like LeAnn Rimes and Tim McGraw. And Belmont University's school of music was named after him due to his large financial backing. He's one of Nashville's wealthiest residents and philanthropists.
It's up! Man, took me 2 hours to research and write this. I hope you all enjoy it. Feel free to expand and change anything, preferably if you have uncopyrighted pictures. Zpb52 02:01, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)
"Comcast Cable is the dominant cable service provider in Nashville. Its advertising sales arm, Comcast Spotlight, serves as the local interconnect, representing Charter Communications' approximately 150,000 subscribers in the DMA (Designated Market Area), along with two small systems in the market... In total, the interconnect has 539,000 subscribers, representing 98 percent of all cable homes in the market." [1] Kaldari 2 July 2005 01:28 (UTC)
Anyone have a picture of the capitol building to put in the article?
for the list of companies in nashville, I'm informed that we want to keep the list to companies having revenues of $1B or more. Question on that though -- do we want to limit this to companies based in nashville, or are companies who are influential in nashville also good for the list? If 'influential in nashville', Deloitte would have to be on the list (I'm not affiliated; in fact I dislike Deloitte as a company). Wright industries may also fit that bill, as well as Compuware -- although compuware's share around here isn't what it once was. So, base question - based here only, or are companies with a presence here ok?
The information you are adding to the summary of the Nashville article is not correct. Nashville-Davidson (balance) does not correspond to the old City of Nashville. Nashville-Davidson (balance) is Nashville minus seperately incorporated satellite cities. It is a designation used only by the U.S. census (so that they don't count the same people twice for two cities) and has virtually no use or value of public interest. Nashville-Davidson (balance) includes many suburbs and rural areas that were not part of the old City of Nashville. The old City of Nashville hasn't existed since the 60s and no one in Nashville (besides historians and old folks) have any idea what it corresponded to as everyone these days considers Nashville synonymous with Davidson County. Putting esoteric information about a peculiar census designation in the summary of the Nashville article isn't appropriate in my opinion, especially since it isn't accurate to begin with. Kaldari 19:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully this will help it make sense:
Kaldari
20:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I think a case could be made for listing Mike Curb as a notable resident, as his career has been more than just being a Music Row suit. The Mike Curb Congregation has a genuine place in the history of gospel music, and he was very successful as a composer of movie soundtracks, eventually becoming president of MGM Records. Then he served as Lieutenant Governor of California (as a Republican, under Jerry Brown!). Since moving to Nashville, he has been very active in local civic and philanthropic activities, particularly with Belmont and Fisk Universities. According to the news, he played a part in helping lure Nissan from California to Tennessee--made a promotional video speaking as an ex-Californian. I think all this makes him as good a notable local as Bettie Page, for instance. (BTW, I'm not a friend or even acquaintance of his--just interested in local history.)
With regard to Nashville Superspeedway, I think a case for a mention can be made there too. Clearly the management means to emphasize its ties to the city, or they would have chosen another name. Also, according to news reports, the property extends across the county line and lies partly in Wilson and partly in Nashville/Davidson. I believe it should be mentioned.
RivGuySC 04:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to Iamvered I think it's time to break out History of Nashville into its own article. Anyone object? Kaldari 00:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I'm not a fan of the Nicknames section. It doesn't seem encyclopedic, it's completely unsourced, and there is no precedent for it elsewhere in Wikipedia. I don't mind if long-standing well-sourced nicknames are mentioned in the article (both "Music City" and "Athens of the South" are mentioned in most books about Nashville), but many of these other nicknames might well be ephemeral fads (just like "Powder City", "Rock City", and "The Wall Street of the South", which were all former Nashville nicknames). If we do decide to keep the Nicknames section, it should be moved to the bottom of the article, per the guidelines at WikiProject Cities. Kaldari 22:04, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not against the nicknames section, and having lived around Nashville my entire life I've heard all of the nicknames currently up except Little Kurdistan (but apparently my father has heard of it). I really question the current justifications of "Cashville" and "Nashvegas", though. These are definitely used, but I think the origins claimed in the article are inaccurate. Cashville is just from rhyming Nashville, and I suspect most people who use it have never heard of the rap artist mentioned as "popularizing" the term. I've also heard Knoxville referred to as Knoxvegas. I think people just like slapping "vegas" on the end of cities (but of course I could be wrong). At any rate, I had never heard of the song listed and I disagree that Nashville is glitzy and that was the inspiration for the term. The first place I heard the term Nashvegas was actually from Bad Boy Breeze on the BatPoet show, which was on our local TV station (CATV) during the 90's (article: http://weeklywire.com/ww/10-18-99/nash_cover.html). Unfortunately I have no idea where to find videos of that to link to, or I'd suggest that as a source.-- 74.249.202.48 ( talk) 04:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
The wiki-based Nashville entry at [ SmallBusiness.com] includes RSS feeds of local news. I don't know what the policy is here on adding such a thing, but I gather that it's not done, as my attempt to use the code from the SB.com page did not appear to work when previewed. Here's what I had tried to put in:
(header) Recent Nashville news
Recent headlines from
The Tennessean
<rss>
http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=RSS05&mime=xml%7Cmax=4</rss>
News of Nashville business and politics from subscription-based
NashvillePost.com
<rss>
http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/rss%7Cmax=4</rss>
Local news, weather and sports from
WKRN-News2
<rss>
http://www.wkrn.com/taxonomy/term/20//feed%7Cmax=4</rss>
I imagine there's an ongoing discussion somewhere about the role RSS ought to play in Wikipedia, but I have not found it yet. Is there any move afoot to incorporate feeds into articles? Tom Wood 17:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
After posting various updates to this entry today (and having made contributions to a variety of entries in the past, as you can see by my history), I started to write something that would fill in the stub for NashvillePost.com, which I had added to the list of local media. Only then did I learn that I have committed spam, in the eyes of the present Wikipedia consensus. I work for NashvillePost.com. As I read the rules, that means I am absolutely forbidden to mention it or link to it on Wikipedia. Now, we are a six-year-old news service with more than 1,000 subscribers and thousands of other daily visitors, currently averaging 75,000 pageviews a month. We regularly break major stories about business and politics in Nashville -- for recent examples, do a Google News search for the word "FractionAir" or the name "Roscoe Dixon." We also have a freely available collection of past articles related to Nashville history, the majority written by one or the other of two authors whose books other Wikipedians have added to the suggested readings on the Nashville article: Bill Carey and myself, E. Thomas Wood. I added a link to that "Old Nashville" collection as well.
It can't possibly be in the best interest of readers who want to know about Nashville for me to go back in and excise the links that I have feloniously created. But if someone else out there thinks the readers would be better served without this information, I know it will disappear. In that event, I think the readers who are deprived of it might appreciate an explanation here.
Either way, I'm now sufficiently cowed to avoid writing an article that would cure the current red link for NashvillePost.com. Knowing some basic history of this media outlet and the people behind it would allow readers to make more informed decisions about what they think of its content, but nobody unaffiliated with it is in a position to tell that story. Given that any puffery I might try to include in that article would be swiftly excised, I think it would be a more satisfactory policy to allow an affiliated person to post an article on his or her own company, with full disclosure in the talk box, and then invite the world to take issue with anything in the article and to add any negative facts that may be deemed relevant. Tom Wood 18:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
How many people living in Nashville could tell you when it's around 32 C in their town? Or if they received 10 or 15 mm of rain in a day?
A few weeks ago, someone deleted the paragraph about Nashville's Kurdish population from the demographics section. The paragraph was as follows:
"An interesting note is that more Kurds call Nashville home than any other city outside of the Middle East, according to Vanderbilt University. The city has a large and active Kurdish neighborhood of more than 5,000 in the Nolensville Road area. During the Iraqi election of 2005, Nashville was one of the few international locations where Iraqi expatriates could vote. Like most American cities, Nashville has a mix of many nationalities, ethnicities, and religions."
Perhaps someone would like to find some
references for this information and add it back into the article.
Kaldari
02:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that some city articles ( Chicago for example) include a paragraph about the city's signature foods. Would something like that be appropriate for the Nashville article? What are Nashville's signature foods? Add any suggestions below (with references if you can find them):
The current reference for the highest point in Nashville is a book from the 40s (before Nashville was consolidated). It seems that statistic may not be accurate anymore. Does anyone know what the current highest point in Nashville-Davidson County is and how high it is? It seems there are several conflicting claims on the internet:
Kaldari 05:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada.
"The suburban areas however tend to vote more in line with the Republicans." What are the suburban areas? Is Hillsboro Village the suburbs? East Nashville? 12 South? None of those are urban or rural by character. What is the source for this claim, and perhaps we can find a more clear appellation? Cka3n 21:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I started the Nashville MTA article. Gaming Freek 01:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry that I don't know how to correct this problem, but I thought I would point out that the hypertext link to "Fugitives" under the culture section goes to a general article on what a fugitive is, not to the "Fugitives (Poets)" page that seems to be implied in the article. If this isn't the place to post such a note, I apologize. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.163.7.219 ( talk) 20:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC).
The comment "Though the Civil War left Nashville severely damaged and in dire economic straits,..." is very out of place since not a shot was fired in Nashville during the civil war. The Battle of Nashville, fought south of Nashville near the present city of Berry Hill, was the closest the confederates got after fleeing the city in 1862 in advance of the Union's arrival. That battle was the most lopsided battle of the entire war (in favor of the Union). If anything, as the headquarters of the Union's Western campaign, the war left the city with improved defenses, infrastructure, and prominence. Bravenav 21:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I hereby propose the merge of this article to here. Nashville, Tennessee is allegedly known unofficially as "Little Kurdistan". -- Cat chi? 18:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
This section has gotten incredibly convoluted, I'm pretty sure some of it is incorrect, and it has no inclusion criteria. Is anyone against removing everything but the link to the other article? -- Smashville BONK! 14:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wikipedia Takes Nashville. Who's coming? Kaldari ( talk) 19:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I've been playing around with the idea of making a Nashville template and came up with this. I thought this might be added to the Nashville main page as well as to all the related articles. I wasn't sure what the best categories would be to include. I only put in 4 notable neighborhoods because those were the only ones I could find articles for. Maybe that category should just be deleted. I basically modified the Nashville landmarks template for the Culture and Landmarks group. Anyway, let me know what you think. Like or dislike the categories, the lists, the whole thing? Feel free to mess around with it. Dacoshi ( talk) 02:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
A barnstar to whoever is the first person to successfully integrate a reference to Nashville hot chicken into this article :) Kaldari ( talk) 18:51, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Quit trying to sneak Smashville in there! It's a promotional name that was created by the Preds 10 years ago for their second season. Even if it did come into colloquial use, it would need reliable sources AND to be used outside to reference things that take place outside of the Bridgestone Arena. -- Smashville talk 17:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I noticed the population of Nashville was previously correct in this Wiki article. However, someone keeps editing it to an incorrect number, and I don't know why.
Per http://www.census.gov/popest/archives/2000s/vintage_2005/05s_challenges.html, the population of "Davidson County" (which is synonymous with Nashville since they are a consolidated government), is 607,413. Again, this number used to correctly be in the Wiki article.
Now, however, the Wiki article says 578,698 in the main body. The sidebar, however, still says the correct number.
Who is editing this to an incorrect # and why? I can't even find the source of the 578,698 number. It's not one of the more recent population estimates for Nashville so I don't even know where it's coming from. 64.202.137.190 14:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Moreover, I think it is highly misleading to use the combo population of Metro Nashville & Davidson county, as opposed to Metro Nashville. Even worse is to site MSE populations-- which, by definition, are in no way regularized. The result is that people who read these "statistics" and use them for comparisons, are comparing apples to oranges. The fact that Nashville and Davidson County have a combined government, should not raise its population in comparison with cities that do not have such a purely political structure; what I want is the population of the city proper, and not the population of the city and unassociated towns which are in some cases an hour away (during rush hour traffic).
KenThomas (
talk)
00:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia has long requested a citation for the claim that Nashville has more churches per capita than any other American city.
As stated in the text on Nashville:
"The Protestant Vatican or The Buckle of the Bible Belt: Nashville has over 700 churches[26] (more than any other American city per capita)[citation needed], several seminaries, a number of Christian music companies, and is the headquarters for the publishing arms of both the Southern Baptist Convention and the United Methodist Church..."
As a Nashville native, I have heard this claim by outsiders for many years. But, no one has ever provided any proof for this obvious exaggeration. For one thing, this claim suggests that Nashville's per capita church numbers would have to exceed that of ALL other American cities. How are we defining "cities," and how many American cities are there?
Second, this exaggerated claim has been associated with the number "700" since I was a child 40 years ago. Nashville, as a city, has grown signficiantly since then (even if one excludes the rapidly expanding suburban portions of the metropolitan area). So, the claim would seem to have lost quite a lot of ground over the years, since the number of churches "per capita" would seem to be declining over time.
Finally, as a little test of my own, I examined the internet Yellow Pages listings for churches in the 30 largest American cities (based on the 2006 Census population estimates, which may even represent an undercount of Nashville's population). Mind you, this list ONLY represents the 30 LARGEST cities, not ALL American cities as claimed in this urban myth. I'm only looking at cities and not metropolitan areas, since the claim relates only to cities.
I tried culling this data from several different Internet sources, including Yellow.com, Superpages.com, and Yellowbook.com. As it turns out, Yellow.com seems to have too much redundancy and Yellowbook.com caps its listings at 500, so I focused on Superpages.com.
I realize, of course, that the listings probably still include some redundancy and may include businesses and (in some cases, houses of worship), that are not really churches. Still, when I checked the numbers against those at USAChurch.com, they were relatively similar. So, for the sake of consistency, I assumed that the redundancies were common regardless of location.
So, here are some results:
Finding #1: Among the 30 largest cities, BALTIMORE (not Nashville) has the highest per-capita number of churches, at 0.399 churches per person.
Finding #2: Nashville was ranked a wimpy NINTH (9th) out of the largest 30 cities in churches per capita, at 0.215. Now, this does NOT mean that Nashville had the ninth highest number of churches per capita of "...any other American city." NO, this only means that Nashville was 9th out of the 30 LARGEST cities. Further, Nashville is ranked only in the middle of southern cities (out of the 30 largest), at #7 out of 14. Nashville doesn't even have the highest ranking among the large cities in Tennessee: Memphis is ranked #2. If all of Davidson County's population is considered (and not just the "remainder"), then Nashville's ranking slips even further.
My suspicion is that if someone actually spent the time to rank ALL American cities on this factor (and checked the phone listings for accuracy), they'd probably find that Nashville is relatively low on the per-capita church scale by southern standards and only in the top 1/3 or 1/2 nationally. At the least, this unscientific analysis shows that the claim about Nashville having more churches "than any other American city" is certainly not proven or defensible, and it should be driven out of Wikipedia's text after misleading so many for so long.
Finding #3: In general, this analysis otherwise confirms suspicions that churches are clustered more in southern cities than in western cities or New York. Eight of the ten highest ranked cities per-capita are in the south. Eight of the ten lowest ranked cities per capita are in the west (and New York City). A possible explanation (or intervening variable) may be culture or race. Many of the highest-ranked cities also have large black populations, which may translate into larger church-going populations and/or more-but-smaller churches....
So, I know you people and Wikipedia are dying to know the overall rankings, so here they are (in order of per capita rank):
CITY STATE POP06 CHURCHES PER CAP 1 Baltimore city Maryland 631,366 2,520 0.00399 2 Memphis city Tennessee 670,902 2,093 0.00312 3 Fort Worth city Texas 653,320 1,673 0.00256 4 Detroit city Michigan 871,121 2,185 0.00251 5 Washington city DC 581,530 1,449 0.00249 6 Oklahoma City Oklahoma 537,734 1,308 0.00243 7 Louisville/Jeff Kentucky 554,496 1,267 0.00228 8 Milwaukee city Wisconsin 573,358 1,294 0.00226 9 Nashville-David Tennessee 552,120 1,186 0.00215 10 Jacksonville Florida 794,555 1,651 0.00208 11 Indianapolis Indiana 785,597 1,612 0.00205 12 Dallas city Texas 1,232,940 2,457 0.00199 13 Columbus city Ohio 733,203 1,441 0.00197 14 Philadelphia Pennsylvania 1,448,394 2,827 0.00195 15 Denver city Colorado 566,974 1,091 0.00192 16 Seattle city Washington 582,454 1,072 0.00184 17 Las Vegas city Nevada 552,539 1,003 0.00182 18 Charlotte city North Carolina 630,478 1,139 0.00181 19 Houston city Texas 2,144,491 3,773 0.00176 20 Austin city Texas 709,893 1,028 0.00145 21 Chicago city Illinois 2,833,321 3,982 0.00141 22 San Antonio Texas 1,296,682 1,817 0.00140 23 Boston city Massachusetts 590,763 762 0.00129 24 San Francisco California 744,041 885 0.00119 25 El Paso city Texas 609,415 555 0.00091 26 San Diego city California 1,256,951 1,131 0.00090 27 Los Angeles California 3,849,378 3,046 0.00079 28 Phoenix city Arizona 1,512,986 1,151 0.00076 29 San Jose city California 929,936 572 0.00062 30 New York city New York 8,214,426 1,709 0.00021 Sources: U.S. Bureau of the Census and RG144.
Questions? Comments? RBG144 ( talk) 13:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
When looking up census statistics for Nashville, you won't find any listed simply as "Nashville". The two choices are "Nashville-Davidson (balance)" and "Davidson County". You should use the "Nashville-Davidson (balance)" data for the Nashville-Davidson (balance), Tennessee article, but use the "Davidson County" data for this article (and the article Davidson County, Tennessee). The city of Nashville is not a balance, it is a consolidated city-county. A "balance" is a statistical entity created specifically for allocation purposes. It has no legal existence and should not be confused with the actual city. This article entails that entire city which includes the entire county. Kaldari ( talk) 18:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
You are misinformed. The Census Bureau and Office of Management and Budget use "balance" populations as the official census for consolidated cities that enclose smaller municipalities considered to be independent. (This is the case for consolidated city-counties from Nashville to Augusta, GA, to Jacksonville.) One can debate what "independent" means, but when an incorporated, chartered city (such as Belle Meade) has its own mayor, separate police force and separate US Census population, it can't be double-counted as part of the larger city-consolidated entity. What you are doing is double-counting the smaller town. One of the distressing things about Wikipedia is how its users will stretch POV shenanigans into outright disinformation, inflating populations so their town or state looks bigger, or substituting CSA (trading area) populations for MSA (metropolitan area) populations for the sake of looking twice as large. As you will see when the major almanacs are published later this year, the final 2010 census figure for the the city of Nashville will be listed as the "balance", i.e., slightly more than 601,000 and nowhere near 635,000. It will also be treated this way in cross-listings such as "Largest Cities by Order of Population". It is a shame that Nashville's boosters here are as stubborn and willful as those elsewhere on WP. All of this undermines the veracity and trustworthiness of Wikipedia.
Mason.Jones (
talk)
17:58, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. I am not disputing that smaller Davidson communities like Belle Meade share services, are "semi-independent" and can vote for Nashville-Davidson's mayor. That is the case in many consolidated cities. But most of these small communities also have their own mayor. They are incorporated municipalities with separate city charters. (Your example of New York City is bogus, as there is one city charter, one mayor, and residents of Brooklyn have lived in the "City of New York" since 1898.) The Census Bureau sees small, enclosed, chartered towns as independent (and it releases separate populations for them). The problem comes when you try to make an exception to the Census Bureau's official population and rankings for Nashville when all other almanacs, atlases and encyclopedias (100%) will be listing Nashville's population as the "balance" population of just over 601,000 and entering Nashville in that order in national and regional "Top 10" and "Top 50" population listings. It is both erroneous and unethical to list Nashville at the higher population count when it is not seen that way by the Census Bureau, OMB, and all other sources. The Census Bureau is the common source in Wikipedia for all city populations; it is not up to you, Nashville's boosters, or Nashville's Chamber of Commerce to make that call. Mason.Jones ( talk) 00:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia uses US Census Bureau figures and US Census definitions. These appear on US Census reports and in each edition of World Almanac and other almanacs. The ten-year census and yearly estimates from the US Census for Nashville are the "balance", footnoted as follows: "Part of the consolidated city-county government. The populations of other incorporated places within the county have been excluded from population totals shown here." That's the issue: incorporated cities and towns are not counted twice, and Nashville can't claim incorporated places with separate city charters as its own. Here on Wikipedia, Nashville is the only city I can find with a faulty 2009 estimate for its population (as if the "balance" were a lie and the 2010 census never happened). There've been ridiculous reverts and comments from folks with a bee in their bonnet. It's ego, pride and denial. It's POV at its worst, and has no business on Wikipedia. Mason.Jones ( talk) 13:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Yours is a POV argument that has no place in Wikipedia: "We say it is, so it should be". But even the editors of the WP article "List of United States Cities by Population" disagree with you: "Nashville, 601,222, footnote (g)". (Just so we're clear, I'm not involved with that article and never have been.) But yes, we're talking about the article "Nashville, Tennessee". All Nashville entries, from World Almanac to the Rand McNally Atlas to the US Census Bureau itself, take the "balance" population as the official population. We're talking about the official population. The very fact that this article is still (!) using a 2009 estimate is all I need to know that something's wrong (and ridiculously wrong) here. It's egotism and boosterism, nothing more and nothing less. Mason.Jones ( talk) 19:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I recently fixed the 2000 and 1990 populations in the Historical populations table, both of which are cited to [11]. However, I think the 1970 and 1980 populations may still be incorrect. The problem is that the census bureau sometimes reports the population of Nashville as the balance population and sometimes reports it as the actual city population. This article is only concerned with the consolidated city-county population since there is a separate article on the balance. I found one book that reported the total population of Nashville-Davidson county in 1980 as 477,811, but I haven't been able to confirm this in other sources or find a good census record so far. Unfortunately, most census data before 1990 has to be purchased. If someone could visit the downtown Nashville library and ask them to look up the population of Davidson County for 1980 and 1970 they would be able to get the census records for you. Kaldari ( talk) 20:47, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Removed the "pleasantly" from the description of spring and fall warmth; pleasantness varies from person to person and is quite subjective. This sort of description is biased and isn't suitable for inclusion into an encyclopedia (including Wikipedia). The description of just "warm" retains the descriptive power whilst removing the bias. If someone can find sources describing Nashville's springs and falls as pleasant, I'd support including them, as long as they were properly attributed; for example, "Springs and autumns are generally warm, considered pleasant by many(source)(source)." But as it is now it is pure bias, regardless of the popularity of 72 degree F Octobers and Aprils; remember NPOV - Patricius Augustus ( talk) 22:45, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey, can someone go down and shoot a photo for the Occupy Nashville article? Thanks. Kaldari ( talk) 00:30, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
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@KenThomas: The information you are adding to the article isn't even close to accurate and the source you are citing doesn't provide the data you are claiming it does. Please discuss this on the talk page to reach consensus before re-adding it. Even if you were to exclude all other incorporated areas from the population of Nashville, it's population would still be over 600,000 and not the absurd figure of 211,836. Regardless, Nashville legally includes all of the separately-incorporated areas within Davidson County and thus has the same population as Davidson County. This is just like how New York City legally includes the separately incorporated areas of Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, The Bronx, and Staten Island. If you excluded the populations of those separately incorporated areas, the population of New York City would be 0. If you want to compare apple to apples, as you say, perhaps you should edit the New York City article first. Kaldari ( talk) 07:23, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
@Kaldari: I'm not sure what NYC has to do with it :P and I haven't looked at the example, but the areas you cite are considered to be part of a continuous con-urbanation known as New York; the five bouroughs have generally and historically been considered "New York City," not only popularly, but by demographics, city planning and other disciplines.
The new-fangled adminstrative entiry of city-county administrative areas, however, is not what is generally meant by either demographics professionals or by the phrase "city limits." Heck, Louisville's including parts of surrounding counties in it's district, I believe, which allowed it more than double its "population" in one sweep of the pen. In simple terms, what we mean by "city limits" is simply not the same as the official, legal territorial extent of a combined city-county administrative area.
In addition, the political definitons (and the federal and funding statuses that lie behind them) are inherently "gamed" as cities and governments compete for resources. They are thus inherently corrupted by POV and should be viewed rather suspiciously.
In any case, once again, Nashville is simply not bigger than Denver, Atlanta, or Washington DC. We need to find a way to address that.
You are right that zips are not a great proxy, but they can get us somewhere-- in the end, we probably need to work down to the census track level and consult professional demographers and publications (American Demographics comes to mind). "City Limits" as legally defined are also by their very nature arbitrary political districts, and obey no objective, normalized standard.
In the meantime, and as I understand it, the population figure for Nashville includes the populations of Franklin, Mount Juliet, Donellson, and Goodlettsville. These are not conurbanations with Nashville, and pretty obviously just aren't Nashille. Last night (please keep in mind, I came here to find data to compare Mexican city populations to US cities, not to start a battle), I subtracted from the consolidated total to try to come to an estimate. Adding all the zips that are clearly Nashville, gets me to a population about 431K.
I'll look at each zip in turn and see where I get tonight, but probably won't get more done (ie, getting a demographers definition of city population or looking at census tracts). In the end, unless someone else has done that work already somewhere (note: I think this not OR, just gathering definitions and adding up columns of data), I believe we have to do it to get an accurate population estimate that is not, as the City Paper article points out, simply artifically inflated and deceiving.
And yes, you have to do that for a lot of cities. Nashville is not the 25th most populous city in the US. That's just wrong, and a manipulated figure. KenThomas ( talk) 01:36, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
The problem with too many Wikipedia editors is POV. Someone decides that he/she is omniscient and will "decide" what a city's population is. In the case of Nashville, its population must follow the definitions of the US Census Bureau and the Office of Management and Budget for city boundaries; there is no other baseline or yardstick in Wikipedia. For all intents and purposes, consolidated city-counties are cities: Jacksonville, Augusta, Nashville, Louisville. However, the US Census Bureau and OMB do not include semi-autonomous cities (those with separate city charters) in the consolidated population; thus, they consider the "Nashville-Davidson balance" population as "Nashville". Secondly (and this is very important), they give separate official populations for these two or three semi-autonomous towns within Davidson County and list them alphabetically among Tennessee towns and cities. Nashville-Davidson entities without a city charter are not listed with separate official population counts and are thus considered to be neighborhoods of Nashville. Bottom line: Nashville's official 2010 population is 601,000 (not 635,000, not 431,000, and not 271,000). Also, the Census Bureau/OMB consider consolidated Nashville or Jacksonville to be larger than Atlanta, and that is valid. All encyclopedias (and Wiki articles) address this by noting, for ex., that Jacksonville is "Florida's largest city" but only the "fourth-largest metropolitan area in Florida" (after Miami, Tampa-St. Pete and Orlando), using the Metropolitan Statistical Area as the definition for "metro area". That is the protocol, and those are the facts whether you like them or not. Mason.Jones ( talk) 16:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
No they do not, and you provide nothing but raw, unofficial data sets from 12 years ago (2000) or general links with no official final rankings for 2010. The official populations and rankings for Nashville and for Augusta, GA (both consolidated city-counties containing semi-autonomous towns) have always shown "balance" city-county populations, excluding all semi-autonomous towns (these towns have separate official US Census populations anyway). I am looking at the 2010 U.S. city rankings in World Almanac and Book of Facts 2012 (p. 613) as well as internet listings such as http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html Both come from the US Census Bureau and show Nashville with a population of 601,222, the 25th largest American city, just below Washington, D.C. (601,723, number 24th in the US). Census populations for Augusta-Richmond County in GA(estimates and final 2010 figure) have always excluded the two semi-autonomous towns in Richmond County. Mason.Jones ( talk) 22:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Totally agree with you on all points, but several editors have reverted our genuine, official figure of 601,222 several times recently. Some are Nashvillians who won't tolerate such a lowball figure for their hometown, and say they "don't care about the Census Bureau". And recently, a new expert has decided that Nashville only has 211,000 people -- no, wait, 463,000 -- and that the city "doesn't deserve" to be 25th largest city in the US. I will, however, add the 2010 figure for Nashville's metro area after your edit, and hope both remain. But knowing Nashvillians and their pride, I don't hold out much hope. (Just so we're clear: I do like Nashville.) Mason.Jones ( talk) 00:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
No demographer would claim that Nashville is the 25th largest city in the US. MSA are purely arbirary. The lack of a clear alternative than the Census Bureau (who gives a crap, if you don't know that determining city populations isn't what the Census Bureau does, then you don't know what you're talking about) does not mean there is not a problem. Solve the problem; the current information is highly distorted and misleading, and reflects "we're the biggest city, really!" pissing contests. Let's mark this POV, shall we? KenThomas ( talk) 23:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
There's one source: the US Census Bureau's ten-year census and annual estimates (using Office of Management and Budget definitions for US cities, metro areas/MSAs and trading areas/CSAs). This is the benchmark used by every American encyclopedia, every road atlas (like Rand McNally) and every US almanac (World Almanac, Time Almanac, New York Times Almanac). You can dislike the benchmark, Ken, but it's universal throughout Wikipedia articles about US places. Consolidated city-counties are cities. (Philadelphia is a consolidated city-county. Do you seek to "reinterpret" Philadelphia's population as well? It can no longer be 5th largest US city?) And Kaldari: that isn't fair for you to insert the full population of Nashville-Davidson (626,000) as "Nashville, Tennessee" without some kind of explanation. It's logical that Nashville's consolidated population would not include semi-autonomous cities like Belle Meade that (1) have their own elected mayor, (2) have a city charter separate from Nashville's, and (3) have separate official populations reported by the Census Bureau. Both of you are just being stubborn; you know you're wrong but wish to impose your POV on Wikipedia. But there is no debate, no POV but yours, and the benchmark is universal. Mason.Jones ( talk) 20:59, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
If there are no objections, I'm going to set up MiszaBot to auto archive this page. It's getting a little crowded in here... nf utvol ( talk) 19:20, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
The lead of the article states that "Nashville has a consolidated city–county government which includes seven smaller municipalities in a two-tier system." It then immediately states that the population of Nashville is 601,222. This is contradictory and confusing, as the 601,222 figure does not include the smaller municipalities. As I have shown many times, the Census Bureau does not define consolidated cities (like Nashville) as equivalent to the balances, [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] nor does the state of Tennessee. They are defined as 2 separate things, and we have two separate Wikipedia articles for them:
If you don't bother to look at any of the rest of my sources, please look at this one. It sets out the 2 definitions clearly and concisely. This article concerns the 1st definition, not the 2nd, as clearly explained in the lead of the article and in the demographics section.
The current situation is that the Census Bureau has not explicitly listed a 2010 population for the consolidated city-county of Nashville. That leaves us with 2 choices: the population of "Nashville-Davidson (balance)" or the population of "Davidson County". If we look at either the Census Bureau's definitions [21] or their methodologies when listing city population comparisons [22] [23] [24] [25], both lead to the same conclusion: The correct population to list for the consolidated city-county (which is the topic of this article) is the population of Davidson County. Kaldari ( talk) 19:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
The "current situation", Kaldari, is that you are imposing your will on Wikipedia, when every other WP city article (see Augusta, Georgia) uses the "balance" as the final population. And so does every almanac in the bookstore, which reports "balances" as the final population of all consolidated cities, including Nashville (listed twice, under "Largest US Cities" and "Tennessee Cities and Towns"). But you go whole-hog: you deleted my last edit updating the Nashville metro area from a 2009 estimate to the final 2010 census figure. Why would you revert the most recent 2010 metro area figure back to the 2009 estimate? Really, you are losing your grip. You should be ashamed, I think. Mason.Jones ( talk) 21:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Now, all of that being said, here is one article from the Nashville Convention and Visitor's Bureau that lists the population as the 626k figure: [26]. Mason, could you provide a link to an outside source or almanac that uses the 601k figure? nf utvol ( talk) 00:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
The World Almanac and Book of Facts 2012 shows Nashville's population twice, as 601,222: on p. 613 (List of U.S. Cities by Population, 1850-2010) and on p. 624 (Population of U.S. Places over 10,000: Tennessee). This is reflected in Wikipedia itself: see the WP article List of United States cities by population. Mason.Jones ( talk) 01:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
There's no logical compromise when people don't think logically. We don't have "two sources" contradicting Kaldari, but every published source out there, including WP's List of United States cities by population, with a footnote. All are based on facts: Belle Meade and other communities within Nashville-Davidson are incorporated municipalities with a separate municipal charter. They elect their own mayor and have separate US Census population counts and estimates. They are not counted as part of the larger consolidated city-county when they have separate populations. That is the rule. That is also the case for Augusta, Georgia, with its two incorporated towns intra muros, Hephzibah and Blythe. Other consolidated city-counties ( Columbus, Georgia) have no incorporated places within their boundaries, so there's no problem. You all have gone beyond the pale with this discussion, and it's totally POV now. I state the facts and the yardstick, and you insist on being stubborn, to the point of considering local Chamber of Commerce stats over the US Census Bureau. C of C's are community boosters, never population sources. You folks have an agenda, and it's outside what everyone accepts (including the WP editors of the "List of US Cities" article). You are off base. And let me repeat: Kaldari's sources above are typed data sets from 2000 and general government brochures. My sources are recent publications and Wikipedia itself. Mason.Jones ( talk) 14:54, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
An incorporated town is an incorporated town. I don't see Kaldari's logic (nor do I find antediluvian data sets from 2000 appropriate to any current population debate). That said, I think the current inclusion of both population figures in the lead-in is helpful, and it makes the WP article "List of United States Cities by Population" more understandable. Mason.Jones ( talk) 00:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
There was no consensus to merge.-- B. Wolterding 17:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I propose to merge the content of Printer's Alley into here, since the notability of that article has been questioned. In fact, the article contains very little encyclopedic content, it could easily be merged here.
Please add your comments below. Proposed as part of the Notability wikiproject. -- B. Wolterding 22:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone should put a new picture of Nashville in the side colomn of the main article. The other picture is quite aged by now, just for anyone's knowledge. Giancarlo1992 21:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I am willing to create a list of neighborhoods and districts in Nashville and link it to the main Nashville page so we don't have a list going all the way down the page, I'm just stumped on which city I should use as a model. Any suggestions? Anonymous615 ( talk) 23:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
This article needs a lot of work to bring it up to WP:GA standards as described at WP:WIAGA. The WP:LEAD is subpar for a major city GA. The article is in general undercited. I will be delisting later this week if there are no objections. Otherwise, we can handle this at WP:GAR.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTD) 03:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
it is narrow minded to only include the christian and country aspects of nashville when in reality nashville has a thriving music culture in other areas such as hip hop and rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Limonns ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Why would you call it the "so-called" great train wreck in Nashville, Tn on July 9,1918. 101 people died . Many were soldiers returning from WWI and over have of the victims were African Americans going to work in the Dupont plant.This was very gruesome and tragic event. The newspaper says that wagon loads of body parts were taken to the morge. One witness said that the young mother sitting next to him was decapitaited and her arm was shoved "into her baby." I don't know what Wikipedia ment by the "so-called" great train wreck, but it sounds like a terrible wreck to me. The 1998 article reads "worst train wreck in US history." I am obviously offended by your statement . You should change that before a survivor or relative of someone who was killed reads it.i understand that ignorance was probaly the reason for this offensive blunder. So you are forgiven, but you need to change the statement.
This article is getting too long and awkward; it's time to prune. I don't think we need all the stuff from the Chamber of Commerce page--a link to there would suffice. An encyclopedia is not a promotional brochure, after all. And I don't think we really need the list of neighborhoods, either. RivGuySC 20:42, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Since there is no copyright or licensing information provided for any of the skyline images, I'm going to have to remove them from the article for now. Anyone know of any good public domain images of the Nashville skyline? Kaldari 19:53, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've added a table of notable bridges to the Transportation section. I don't think it's necessary to list every bridge in Nashville (since there are dozens), but I thought it might be useful to include the better known ones. Hunting down the lengths and opening dates has been something of a scavenger hunt. If anyone wants to help fill in the blanks, it would be much appreciated. Kaldari 02:38, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement on what exactly Nashville's biggest industry is. Although this article originally stated that finance and insurance were the biggest, I haven't been able to find any sources to back this up. Most sources seem to suggest health care is currently the biggest:
I found one source (from 7 years ago) suggesting publishing was the largest industry:
I also found a source suggesting that finance and insurance may not be as important to Nashville's economy as they once were:
Kaldari 22:42, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
My grandmother, who lived in Nashville for many years, told me that Earl Scruggs lived down the street from her. Can anyone confirm about either Flatt or Scruggs? Shoaler 11:24, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
I got rid of Bjtitus's addition of record executive Mike Curb as a notable resident. If we add Mike Curb, we'll have to add every single other record executive that lives here...unless there's something extraordinarily special about him.
Zpb52 04:34, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
- There is something extraordinary and special about Mike Curb. He was a former recording artist. He owns his own label and his launched names like LeAnn Rimes and Tim McGraw. And Belmont University's school of music was named after him due to his large financial backing. He's one of Nashville's wealthiest residents and philanthropists.
It's up! Man, took me 2 hours to research and write this. I hope you all enjoy it. Feel free to expand and change anything, preferably if you have uncopyrighted pictures. Zpb52 02:01, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)
"Comcast Cable is the dominant cable service provider in Nashville. Its advertising sales arm, Comcast Spotlight, serves as the local interconnect, representing Charter Communications' approximately 150,000 subscribers in the DMA (Designated Market Area), along with two small systems in the market... In total, the interconnect has 539,000 subscribers, representing 98 percent of all cable homes in the market." [1] Kaldari 2 July 2005 01:28 (UTC)
Anyone have a picture of the capitol building to put in the article?
for the list of companies in nashville, I'm informed that we want to keep the list to companies having revenues of $1B or more. Question on that though -- do we want to limit this to companies based in nashville, or are companies who are influential in nashville also good for the list? If 'influential in nashville', Deloitte would have to be on the list (I'm not affiliated; in fact I dislike Deloitte as a company). Wright industries may also fit that bill, as well as Compuware -- although compuware's share around here isn't what it once was. So, base question - based here only, or are companies with a presence here ok?
The information you are adding to the summary of the Nashville article is not correct. Nashville-Davidson (balance) does not correspond to the old City of Nashville. Nashville-Davidson (balance) is Nashville minus seperately incorporated satellite cities. It is a designation used only by the U.S. census (so that they don't count the same people twice for two cities) and has virtually no use or value of public interest. Nashville-Davidson (balance) includes many suburbs and rural areas that were not part of the old City of Nashville. The old City of Nashville hasn't existed since the 60s and no one in Nashville (besides historians and old folks) have any idea what it corresponded to as everyone these days considers Nashville synonymous with Davidson County. Putting esoteric information about a peculiar census designation in the summary of the Nashville article isn't appropriate in my opinion, especially since it isn't accurate to begin with. Kaldari 19:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully this will help it make sense:
Kaldari
20:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I think a case could be made for listing Mike Curb as a notable resident, as his career has been more than just being a Music Row suit. The Mike Curb Congregation has a genuine place in the history of gospel music, and he was very successful as a composer of movie soundtracks, eventually becoming president of MGM Records. Then he served as Lieutenant Governor of California (as a Republican, under Jerry Brown!). Since moving to Nashville, he has been very active in local civic and philanthropic activities, particularly with Belmont and Fisk Universities. According to the news, he played a part in helping lure Nissan from California to Tennessee--made a promotional video speaking as an ex-Californian. I think all this makes him as good a notable local as Bettie Page, for instance. (BTW, I'm not a friend or even acquaintance of his--just interested in local history.)
With regard to Nashville Superspeedway, I think a case for a mention can be made there too. Clearly the management means to emphasize its ties to the city, or they would have chosen another name. Also, according to news reports, the property extends across the county line and lies partly in Wilson and partly in Nashville/Davidson. I believe it should be mentioned.
RivGuySC 04:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to Iamvered I think it's time to break out History of Nashville into its own article. Anyone object? Kaldari 00:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I'm not a fan of the Nicknames section. It doesn't seem encyclopedic, it's completely unsourced, and there is no precedent for it elsewhere in Wikipedia. I don't mind if long-standing well-sourced nicknames are mentioned in the article (both "Music City" and "Athens of the South" are mentioned in most books about Nashville), but many of these other nicknames might well be ephemeral fads (just like "Powder City", "Rock City", and "The Wall Street of the South", which were all former Nashville nicknames). If we do decide to keep the Nicknames section, it should be moved to the bottom of the article, per the guidelines at WikiProject Cities. Kaldari 22:04, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not against the nicknames section, and having lived around Nashville my entire life I've heard all of the nicknames currently up except Little Kurdistan (but apparently my father has heard of it). I really question the current justifications of "Cashville" and "Nashvegas", though. These are definitely used, but I think the origins claimed in the article are inaccurate. Cashville is just from rhyming Nashville, and I suspect most people who use it have never heard of the rap artist mentioned as "popularizing" the term. I've also heard Knoxville referred to as Knoxvegas. I think people just like slapping "vegas" on the end of cities (but of course I could be wrong). At any rate, I had never heard of the song listed and I disagree that Nashville is glitzy and that was the inspiration for the term. The first place I heard the term Nashvegas was actually from Bad Boy Breeze on the BatPoet show, which was on our local TV station (CATV) during the 90's (article: http://weeklywire.com/ww/10-18-99/nash_cover.html). Unfortunately I have no idea where to find videos of that to link to, or I'd suggest that as a source.-- 74.249.202.48 ( talk) 04:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
The wiki-based Nashville entry at [ SmallBusiness.com] includes RSS feeds of local news. I don't know what the policy is here on adding such a thing, but I gather that it's not done, as my attempt to use the code from the SB.com page did not appear to work when previewed. Here's what I had tried to put in:
(header) Recent Nashville news
Recent headlines from
The Tennessean
<rss>
http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=RSS05&mime=xml%7Cmax=4</rss>
News of Nashville business and politics from subscription-based
NashvillePost.com
<rss>
http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/rss%7Cmax=4</rss>
Local news, weather and sports from
WKRN-News2
<rss>
http://www.wkrn.com/taxonomy/term/20//feed%7Cmax=4</rss>
I imagine there's an ongoing discussion somewhere about the role RSS ought to play in Wikipedia, but I have not found it yet. Is there any move afoot to incorporate feeds into articles? Tom Wood 17:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
After posting various updates to this entry today (and having made contributions to a variety of entries in the past, as you can see by my history), I started to write something that would fill in the stub for NashvillePost.com, which I had added to the list of local media. Only then did I learn that I have committed spam, in the eyes of the present Wikipedia consensus. I work for NashvillePost.com. As I read the rules, that means I am absolutely forbidden to mention it or link to it on Wikipedia. Now, we are a six-year-old news service with more than 1,000 subscribers and thousands of other daily visitors, currently averaging 75,000 pageviews a month. We regularly break major stories about business and politics in Nashville -- for recent examples, do a Google News search for the word "FractionAir" or the name "Roscoe Dixon." We also have a freely available collection of past articles related to Nashville history, the majority written by one or the other of two authors whose books other Wikipedians have added to the suggested readings on the Nashville article: Bill Carey and myself, E. Thomas Wood. I added a link to that "Old Nashville" collection as well.
It can't possibly be in the best interest of readers who want to know about Nashville for me to go back in and excise the links that I have feloniously created. But if someone else out there thinks the readers would be better served without this information, I know it will disappear. In that event, I think the readers who are deprived of it might appreciate an explanation here.
Either way, I'm now sufficiently cowed to avoid writing an article that would cure the current red link for NashvillePost.com. Knowing some basic history of this media outlet and the people behind it would allow readers to make more informed decisions about what they think of its content, but nobody unaffiliated with it is in a position to tell that story. Given that any puffery I might try to include in that article would be swiftly excised, I think it would be a more satisfactory policy to allow an affiliated person to post an article on his or her own company, with full disclosure in the talk box, and then invite the world to take issue with anything in the article and to add any negative facts that may be deemed relevant. Tom Wood 18:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
How many people living in Nashville could tell you when it's around 32 C in their town? Or if they received 10 or 15 mm of rain in a day?
A few weeks ago, someone deleted the paragraph about Nashville's Kurdish population from the demographics section. The paragraph was as follows:
"An interesting note is that more Kurds call Nashville home than any other city outside of the Middle East, according to Vanderbilt University. The city has a large and active Kurdish neighborhood of more than 5,000 in the Nolensville Road area. During the Iraqi election of 2005, Nashville was one of the few international locations where Iraqi expatriates could vote. Like most American cities, Nashville has a mix of many nationalities, ethnicities, and religions."
Perhaps someone would like to find some
references for this information and add it back into the article.
Kaldari
02:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that some city articles ( Chicago for example) include a paragraph about the city's signature foods. Would something like that be appropriate for the Nashville article? What are Nashville's signature foods? Add any suggestions below (with references if you can find them):
The current reference for the highest point in Nashville is a book from the 40s (before Nashville was consolidated). It seems that statistic may not be accurate anymore. Does anyone know what the current highest point in Nashville-Davidson County is and how high it is? It seems there are several conflicting claims on the internet:
Kaldari 05:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada.
"The suburban areas however tend to vote more in line with the Republicans." What are the suburban areas? Is Hillsboro Village the suburbs? East Nashville? 12 South? None of those are urban or rural by character. What is the source for this claim, and perhaps we can find a more clear appellation? Cka3n 21:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I started the Nashville MTA article. Gaming Freek 01:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry that I don't know how to correct this problem, but I thought I would point out that the hypertext link to "Fugitives" under the culture section goes to a general article on what a fugitive is, not to the "Fugitives (Poets)" page that seems to be implied in the article. If this isn't the place to post such a note, I apologize. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.163.7.219 ( talk) 20:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC).
The comment "Though the Civil War left Nashville severely damaged and in dire economic straits,..." is very out of place since not a shot was fired in Nashville during the civil war. The Battle of Nashville, fought south of Nashville near the present city of Berry Hill, was the closest the confederates got after fleeing the city in 1862 in advance of the Union's arrival. That battle was the most lopsided battle of the entire war (in favor of the Union). If anything, as the headquarters of the Union's Western campaign, the war left the city with improved defenses, infrastructure, and prominence. Bravenav 21:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I hereby propose the merge of this article to here. Nashville, Tennessee is allegedly known unofficially as "Little Kurdistan". -- Cat chi? 18:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
This section has gotten incredibly convoluted, I'm pretty sure some of it is incorrect, and it has no inclusion criteria. Is anyone against removing everything but the link to the other article? -- Smashville BONK! 14:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wikipedia Takes Nashville. Who's coming? Kaldari ( talk) 19:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I've been playing around with the idea of making a Nashville template and came up with this. I thought this might be added to the Nashville main page as well as to all the related articles. I wasn't sure what the best categories would be to include. I only put in 4 notable neighborhoods because those were the only ones I could find articles for. Maybe that category should just be deleted. I basically modified the Nashville landmarks template for the Culture and Landmarks group. Anyway, let me know what you think. Like or dislike the categories, the lists, the whole thing? Feel free to mess around with it. Dacoshi ( talk) 02:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
A barnstar to whoever is the first person to successfully integrate a reference to Nashville hot chicken into this article :) Kaldari ( talk) 18:51, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Quit trying to sneak Smashville in there! It's a promotional name that was created by the Preds 10 years ago for their second season. Even if it did come into colloquial use, it would need reliable sources AND to be used outside to reference things that take place outside of the Bridgestone Arena. -- Smashville talk 17:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I noticed the population of Nashville was previously correct in this Wiki article. However, someone keeps editing it to an incorrect number, and I don't know why.
Per http://www.census.gov/popest/archives/2000s/vintage_2005/05s_challenges.html, the population of "Davidson County" (which is synonymous with Nashville since they are a consolidated government), is 607,413. Again, this number used to correctly be in the Wiki article.
Now, however, the Wiki article says 578,698 in the main body. The sidebar, however, still says the correct number.
Who is editing this to an incorrect # and why? I can't even find the source of the 578,698 number. It's not one of the more recent population estimates for Nashville so I don't even know where it's coming from. 64.202.137.190 14:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Moreover, I think it is highly misleading to use the combo population of Metro Nashville & Davidson county, as opposed to Metro Nashville. Even worse is to site MSE populations-- which, by definition, are in no way regularized. The result is that people who read these "statistics" and use them for comparisons, are comparing apples to oranges. The fact that Nashville and Davidson County have a combined government, should not raise its population in comparison with cities that do not have such a purely political structure; what I want is the population of the city proper, and not the population of the city and unassociated towns which are in some cases an hour away (during rush hour traffic).
KenThomas (
talk)
00:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia has long requested a citation for the claim that Nashville has more churches per capita than any other American city.
As stated in the text on Nashville:
"The Protestant Vatican or The Buckle of the Bible Belt: Nashville has over 700 churches[26] (more than any other American city per capita)[citation needed], several seminaries, a number of Christian music companies, and is the headquarters for the publishing arms of both the Southern Baptist Convention and the United Methodist Church..."
As a Nashville native, I have heard this claim by outsiders for many years. But, no one has ever provided any proof for this obvious exaggeration. For one thing, this claim suggests that Nashville's per capita church numbers would have to exceed that of ALL other American cities. How are we defining "cities," and how many American cities are there?
Second, this exaggerated claim has been associated with the number "700" since I was a child 40 years ago. Nashville, as a city, has grown signficiantly since then (even if one excludes the rapidly expanding suburban portions of the metropolitan area). So, the claim would seem to have lost quite a lot of ground over the years, since the number of churches "per capita" would seem to be declining over time.
Finally, as a little test of my own, I examined the internet Yellow Pages listings for churches in the 30 largest American cities (based on the 2006 Census population estimates, which may even represent an undercount of Nashville's population). Mind you, this list ONLY represents the 30 LARGEST cities, not ALL American cities as claimed in this urban myth. I'm only looking at cities and not metropolitan areas, since the claim relates only to cities.
I tried culling this data from several different Internet sources, including Yellow.com, Superpages.com, and Yellowbook.com. As it turns out, Yellow.com seems to have too much redundancy and Yellowbook.com caps its listings at 500, so I focused on Superpages.com.
I realize, of course, that the listings probably still include some redundancy and may include businesses and (in some cases, houses of worship), that are not really churches. Still, when I checked the numbers against those at USAChurch.com, they were relatively similar. So, for the sake of consistency, I assumed that the redundancies were common regardless of location.
So, here are some results:
Finding #1: Among the 30 largest cities, BALTIMORE (not Nashville) has the highest per-capita number of churches, at 0.399 churches per person.
Finding #2: Nashville was ranked a wimpy NINTH (9th) out of the largest 30 cities in churches per capita, at 0.215. Now, this does NOT mean that Nashville had the ninth highest number of churches per capita of "...any other American city." NO, this only means that Nashville was 9th out of the 30 LARGEST cities. Further, Nashville is ranked only in the middle of southern cities (out of the 30 largest), at #7 out of 14. Nashville doesn't even have the highest ranking among the large cities in Tennessee: Memphis is ranked #2. If all of Davidson County's population is considered (and not just the "remainder"), then Nashville's ranking slips even further.
My suspicion is that if someone actually spent the time to rank ALL American cities on this factor (and checked the phone listings for accuracy), they'd probably find that Nashville is relatively low on the per-capita church scale by southern standards and only in the top 1/3 or 1/2 nationally. At the least, this unscientific analysis shows that the claim about Nashville having more churches "than any other American city" is certainly not proven or defensible, and it should be driven out of Wikipedia's text after misleading so many for so long.
Finding #3: In general, this analysis otherwise confirms suspicions that churches are clustered more in southern cities than in western cities or New York. Eight of the ten highest ranked cities per-capita are in the south. Eight of the ten lowest ranked cities per capita are in the west (and New York City). A possible explanation (or intervening variable) may be culture or race. Many of the highest-ranked cities also have large black populations, which may translate into larger church-going populations and/or more-but-smaller churches....
So, I know you people and Wikipedia are dying to know the overall rankings, so here they are (in order of per capita rank):
CITY STATE POP06 CHURCHES PER CAP 1 Baltimore city Maryland 631,366 2,520 0.00399 2 Memphis city Tennessee 670,902 2,093 0.00312 3 Fort Worth city Texas 653,320 1,673 0.00256 4 Detroit city Michigan 871,121 2,185 0.00251 5 Washington city DC 581,530 1,449 0.00249 6 Oklahoma City Oklahoma 537,734 1,308 0.00243 7 Louisville/Jeff Kentucky 554,496 1,267 0.00228 8 Milwaukee city Wisconsin 573,358 1,294 0.00226 9 Nashville-David Tennessee 552,120 1,186 0.00215 10 Jacksonville Florida 794,555 1,651 0.00208 11 Indianapolis Indiana 785,597 1,612 0.00205 12 Dallas city Texas 1,232,940 2,457 0.00199 13 Columbus city Ohio 733,203 1,441 0.00197 14 Philadelphia Pennsylvania 1,448,394 2,827 0.00195 15 Denver city Colorado 566,974 1,091 0.00192 16 Seattle city Washington 582,454 1,072 0.00184 17 Las Vegas city Nevada 552,539 1,003 0.00182 18 Charlotte city North Carolina 630,478 1,139 0.00181 19 Houston city Texas 2,144,491 3,773 0.00176 20 Austin city Texas 709,893 1,028 0.00145 21 Chicago city Illinois 2,833,321 3,982 0.00141 22 San Antonio Texas 1,296,682 1,817 0.00140 23 Boston city Massachusetts 590,763 762 0.00129 24 San Francisco California 744,041 885 0.00119 25 El Paso city Texas 609,415 555 0.00091 26 San Diego city California 1,256,951 1,131 0.00090 27 Los Angeles California 3,849,378 3,046 0.00079 28 Phoenix city Arizona 1,512,986 1,151 0.00076 29 San Jose city California 929,936 572 0.00062 30 New York city New York 8,214,426 1,709 0.00021 Sources: U.S. Bureau of the Census and RG144.
Questions? Comments? RBG144 ( talk) 13:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
When looking up census statistics for Nashville, you won't find any listed simply as "Nashville". The two choices are "Nashville-Davidson (balance)" and "Davidson County". You should use the "Nashville-Davidson (balance)" data for the Nashville-Davidson (balance), Tennessee article, but use the "Davidson County" data for this article (and the article Davidson County, Tennessee). The city of Nashville is not a balance, it is a consolidated city-county. A "balance" is a statistical entity created specifically for allocation purposes. It has no legal existence and should not be confused with the actual city. This article entails that entire city which includes the entire county. Kaldari ( talk) 18:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
You are misinformed. The Census Bureau and Office of Management and Budget use "balance" populations as the official census for consolidated cities that enclose smaller municipalities considered to be independent. (This is the case for consolidated city-counties from Nashville to Augusta, GA, to Jacksonville.) One can debate what "independent" means, but when an incorporated, chartered city (such as Belle Meade) has its own mayor, separate police force and separate US Census population, it can't be double-counted as part of the larger city-consolidated entity. What you are doing is double-counting the smaller town. One of the distressing things about Wikipedia is how its users will stretch POV shenanigans into outright disinformation, inflating populations so their town or state looks bigger, or substituting CSA (trading area) populations for MSA (metropolitan area) populations for the sake of looking twice as large. As you will see when the major almanacs are published later this year, the final 2010 census figure for the the city of Nashville will be listed as the "balance", i.e., slightly more than 601,000 and nowhere near 635,000. It will also be treated this way in cross-listings such as "Largest Cities by Order of Population". It is a shame that Nashville's boosters here are as stubborn and willful as those elsewhere on WP. All of this undermines the veracity and trustworthiness of Wikipedia.
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Thanks for your response. I am not disputing that smaller Davidson communities like Belle Meade share services, are "semi-independent" and can vote for Nashville-Davidson's mayor. That is the case in many consolidated cities. But most of these small communities also have their own mayor. They are incorporated municipalities with separate city charters. (Your example of New York City is bogus, as there is one city charter, one mayor, and residents of Brooklyn have lived in the "City of New York" since 1898.) The Census Bureau sees small, enclosed, chartered towns as independent (and it releases separate populations for them). The problem comes when you try to make an exception to the Census Bureau's official population and rankings for Nashville when all other almanacs, atlases and encyclopedias (100%) will be listing Nashville's population as the "balance" population of just over 601,000 and entering Nashville in that order in national and regional "Top 10" and "Top 50" population listings. It is both erroneous and unethical to list Nashville at the higher population count when it is not seen that way by the Census Bureau, OMB, and all other sources. The Census Bureau is the common source in Wikipedia for all city populations; it is not up to you, Nashville's boosters, or Nashville's Chamber of Commerce to make that call. Mason.Jones ( talk) 00:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia uses US Census Bureau figures and US Census definitions. These appear on US Census reports and in each edition of World Almanac and other almanacs. The ten-year census and yearly estimates from the US Census for Nashville are the "balance", footnoted as follows: "Part of the consolidated city-county government. The populations of other incorporated places within the county have been excluded from population totals shown here." That's the issue: incorporated cities and towns are not counted twice, and Nashville can't claim incorporated places with separate city charters as its own. Here on Wikipedia, Nashville is the only city I can find with a faulty 2009 estimate for its population (as if the "balance" were a lie and the 2010 census never happened). There've been ridiculous reverts and comments from folks with a bee in their bonnet. It's ego, pride and denial. It's POV at its worst, and has no business on Wikipedia. Mason.Jones ( talk) 13:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Yours is a POV argument that has no place in Wikipedia: "We say it is, so it should be". But even the editors of the WP article "List of United States Cities by Population" disagree with you: "Nashville, 601,222, footnote (g)". (Just so we're clear, I'm not involved with that article and never have been.) But yes, we're talking about the article "Nashville, Tennessee". All Nashville entries, from World Almanac to the Rand McNally Atlas to the US Census Bureau itself, take the "balance" population as the official population. We're talking about the official population. The very fact that this article is still (!) using a 2009 estimate is all I need to know that something's wrong (and ridiculously wrong) here. It's egotism and boosterism, nothing more and nothing less. Mason.Jones ( talk) 19:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I recently fixed the 2000 and 1990 populations in the Historical populations table, both of which are cited to [11]. However, I think the 1970 and 1980 populations may still be incorrect. The problem is that the census bureau sometimes reports the population of Nashville as the balance population and sometimes reports it as the actual city population. This article is only concerned with the consolidated city-county population since there is a separate article on the balance. I found one book that reported the total population of Nashville-Davidson county in 1980 as 477,811, but I haven't been able to confirm this in other sources or find a good census record so far. Unfortunately, most census data before 1990 has to be purchased. If someone could visit the downtown Nashville library and ask them to look up the population of Davidson County for 1980 and 1970 they would be able to get the census records for you. Kaldari ( talk) 20:47, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Removed the "pleasantly" from the description of spring and fall warmth; pleasantness varies from person to person and is quite subjective. This sort of description is biased and isn't suitable for inclusion into an encyclopedia (including Wikipedia). The description of just "warm" retains the descriptive power whilst removing the bias. If someone can find sources describing Nashville's springs and falls as pleasant, I'd support including them, as long as they were properly attributed; for example, "Springs and autumns are generally warm, considered pleasant by many(source)(source)." But as it is now it is pure bias, regardless of the popularity of 72 degree F Octobers and Aprils; remember NPOV - Patricius Augustus ( talk) 22:45, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey, can someone go down and shoot a photo for the Occupy Nashville article? Thanks. Kaldari ( talk) 00:30, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
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@KenThomas: The information you are adding to the article isn't even close to accurate and the source you are citing doesn't provide the data you are claiming it does. Please discuss this on the talk page to reach consensus before re-adding it. Even if you were to exclude all other incorporated areas from the population of Nashville, it's population would still be over 600,000 and not the absurd figure of 211,836. Regardless, Nashville legally includes all of the separately-incorporated areas within Davidson County and thus has the same population as Davidson County. This is just like how New York City legally includes the separately incorporated areas of Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, The Bronx, and Staten Island. If you excluded the populations of those separately incorporated areas, the population of New York City would be 0. If you want to compare apple to apples, as you say, perhaps you should edit the New York City article first. Kaldari ( talk) 07:23, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
@Kaldari: I'm not sure what NYC has to do with it :P and I haven't looked at the example, but the areas you cite are considered to be part of a continuous con-urbanation known as New York; the five bouroughs have generally and historically been considered "New York City," not only popularly, but by demographics, city planning and other disciplines.
The new-fangled adminstrative entiry of city-county administrative areas, however, is not what is generally meant by either demographics professionals or by the phrase "city limits." Heck, Louisville's including parts of surrounding counties in it's district, I believe, which allowed it more than double its "population" in one sweep of the pen. In simple terms, what we mean by "city limits" is simply not the same as the official, legal territorial extent of a combined city-county administrative area.
In addition, the political definitons (and the federal and funding statuses that lie behind them) are inherently "gamed" as cities and governments compete for resources. They are thus inherently corrupted by POV and should be viewed rather suspiciously.
In any case, once again, Nashville is simply not bigger than Denver, Atlanta, or Washington DC. We need to find a way to address that.
You are right that zips are not a great proxy, but they can get us somewhere-- in the end, we probably need to work down to the census track level and consult professional demographers and publications (American Demographics comes to mind). "City Limits" as legally defined are also by their very nature arbitrary political districts, and obey no objective, normalized standard.
In the meantime, and as I understand it, the population figure for Nashville includes the populations of Franklin, Mount Juliet, Donellson, and Goodlettsville. These are not conurbanations with Nashville, and pretty obviously just aren't Nashille. Last night (please keep in mind, I came here to find data to compare Mexican city populations to US cities, not to start a battle), I subtracted from the consolidated total to try to come to an estimate. Adding all the zips that are clearly Nashville, gets me to a population about 431K.
I'll look at each zip in turn and see where I get tonight, but probably won't get more done (ie, getting a demographers definition of city population or looking at census tracts). In the end, unless someone else has done that work already somewhere (note: I think this not OR, just gathering definitions and adding up columns of data), I believe we have to do it to get an accurate population estimate that is not, as the City Paper article points out, simply artifically inflated and deceiving.
And yes, you have to do that for a lot of cities. Nashville is not the 25th most populous city in the US. That's just wrong, and a manipulated figure. KenThomas ( talk) 01:36, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
The problem with too many Wikipedia editors is POV. Someone decides that he/she is omniscient and will "decide" what a city's population is. In the case of Nashville, its population must follow the definitions of the US Census Bureau and the Office of Management and Budget for city boundaries; there is no other baseline or yardstick in Wikipedia. For all intents and purposes, consolidated city-counties are cities: Jacksonville, Augusta, Nashville, Louisville. However, the US Census Bureau and OMB do not include semi-autonomous cities (those with separate city charters) in the consolidated population; thus, they consider the "Nashville-Davidson balance" population as "Nashville". Secondly (and this is very important), they give separate official populations for these two or three semi-autonomous towns within Davidson County and list them alphabetically among Tennessee towns and cities. Nashville-Davidson entities without a city charter are not listed with separate official population counts and are thus considered to be neighborhoods of Nashville. Bottom line: Nashville's official 2010 population is 601,000 (not 635,000, not 431,000, and not 271,000). Also, the Census Bureau/OMB consider consolidated Nashville or Jacksonville to be larger than Atlanta, and that is valid. All encyclopedias (and Wiki articles) address this by noting, for ex., that Jacksonville is "Florida's largest city" but only the "fourth-largest metropolitan area in Florida" (after Miami, Tampa-St. Pete and Orlando), using the Metropolitan Statistical Area as the definition for "metro area". That is the protocol, and those are the facts whether you like them or not. Mason.Jones ( talk) 16:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
No they do not, and you provide nothing but raw, unofficial data sets from 12 years ago (2000) or general links with no official final rankings for 2010. The official populations and rankings for Nashville and for Augusta, GA (both consolidated city-counties containing semi-autonomous towns) have always shown "balance" city-county populations, excluding all semi-autonomous towns (these towns have separate official US Census populations anyway). I am looking at the 2010 U.S. city rankings in World Almanac and Book of Facts 2012 (p. 613) as well as internet listings such as http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html Both come from the US Census Bureau and show Nashville with a population of 601,222, the 25th largest American city, just below Washington, D.C. (601,723, number 24th in the US). Census populations for Augusta-Richmond County in GA(estimates and final 2010 figure) have always excluded the two semi-autonomous towns in Richmond County. Mason.Jones ( talk) 22:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Totally agree with you on all points, but several editors have reverted our genuine, official figure of 601,222 several times recently. Some are Nashvillians who won't tolerate such a lowball figure for their hometown, and say they "don't care about the Census Bureau". And recently, a new expert has decided that Nashville only has 211,000 people -- no, wait, 463,000 -- and that the city "doesn't deserve" to be 25th largest city in the US. I will, however, add the 2010 figure for Nashville's metro area after your edit, and hope both remain. But knowing Nashvillians and their pride, I don't hold out much hope. (Just so we're clear: I do like Nashville.) Mason.Jones ( talk) 00:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
No demographer would claim that Nashville is the 25th largest city in the US. MSA are purely arbirary. The lack of a clear alternative than the Census Bureau (who gives a crap, if you don't know that determining city populations isn't what the Census Bureau does, then you don't know what you're talking about) does not mean there is not a problem. Solve the problem; the current information is highly distorted and misleading, and reflects "we're the biggest city, really!" pissing contests. Let's mark this POV, shall we? KenThomas ( talk) 23:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
There's one source: the US Census Bureau's ten-year census and annual estimates (using Office of Management and Budget definitions for US cities, metro areas/MSAs and trading areas/CSAs). This is the benchmark used by every American encyclopedia, every road atlas (like Rand McNally) and every US almanac (World Almanac, Time Almanac, New York Times Almanac). You can dislike the benchmark, Ken, but it's universal throughout Wikipedia articles about US places. Consolidated city-counties are cities. (Philadelphia is a consolidated city-county. Do you seek to "reinterpret" Philadelphia's population as well? It can no longer be 5th largest US city?) And Kaldari: that isn't fair for you to insert the full population of Nashville-Davidson (626,000) as "Nashville, Tennessee" without some kind of explanation. It's logical that Nashville's consolidated population would not include semi-autonomous cities like Belle Meade that (1) have their own elected mayor, (2) have a city charter separate from Nashville's, and (3) have separate official populations reported by the Census Bureau. Both of you are just being stubborn; you know you're wrong but wish to impose your POV on Wikipedia. But there is no debate, no POV but yours, and the benchmark is universal. Mason.Jones ( talk) 20:59, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
If there are no objections, I'm going to set up MiszaBot to auto archive this page. It's getting a little crowded in here... nf utvol ( talk) 19:20, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
The lead of the article states that "Nashville has a consolidated city–county government which includes seven smaller municipalities in a two-tier system." It then immediately states that the population of Nashville is 601,222. This is contradictory and confusing, as the 601,222 figure does not include the smaller municipalities. As I have shown many times, the Census Bureau does not define consolidated cities (like Nashville) as equivalent to the balances, [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] nor does the state of Tennessee. They are defined as 2 separate things, and we have two separate Wikipedia articles for them:
If you don't bother to look at any of the rest of my sources, please look at this one. It sets out the 2 definitions clearly and concisely. This article concerns the 1st definition, not the 2nd, as clearly explained in the lead of the article and in the demographics section.
The current situation is that the Census Bureau has not explicitly listed a 2010 population for the consolidated city-county of Nashville. That leaves us with 2 choices: the population of "Nashville-Davidson (balance)" or the population of "Davidson County". If we look at either the Census Bureau's definitions [21] or their methodologies when listing city population comparisons [22] [23] [24] [25], both lead to the same conclusion: The correct population to list for the consolidated city-county (which is the topic of this article) is the population of Davidson County. Kaldari ( talk) 19:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
The "current situation", Kaldari, is that you are imposing your will on Wikipedia, when every other WP city article (see Augusta, Georgia) uses the "balance" as the final population. And so does every almanac in the bookstore, which reports "balances" as the final population of all consolidated cities, including Nashville (listed twice, under "Largest US Cities" and "Tennessee Cities and Towns"). But you go whole-hog: you deleted my last edit updating the Nashville metro area from a 2009 estimate to the final 2010 census figure. Why would you revert the most recent 2010 metro area figure back to the 2009 estimate? Really, you are losing your grip. You should be ashamed, I think. Mason.Jones ( talk) 21:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Now, all of that being said, here is one article from the Nashville Convention and Visitor's Bureau that lists the population as the 626k figure: [26]. Mason, could you provide a link to an outside source or almanac that uses the 601k figure? nf utvol ( talk) 00:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
The World Almanac and Book of Facts 2012 shows Nashville's population twice, as 601,222: on p. 613 (List of U.S. Cities by Population, 1850-2010) and on p. 624 (Population of U.S. Places over 10,000: Tennessee). This is reflected in Wikipedia itself: see the WP article List of United States cities by population. Mason.Jones ( talk) 01:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
There's no logical compromise when people don't think logically. We don't have "two sources" contradicting Kaldari, but every published source out there, including WP's List of United States cities by population, with a footnote. All are based on facts: Belle Meade and other communities within Nashville-Davidson are incorporated municipalities with a separate municipal charter. They elect their own mayor and have separate US Census population counts and estimates. They are not counted as part of the larger consolidated city-county when they have separate populations. That is the rule. That is also the case for Augusta, Georgia, with its two incorporated towns intra muros, Hephzibah and Blythe. Other consolidated city-counties ( Columbus, Georgia) have no incorporated places within their boundaries, so there's no problem. You all have gone beyond the pale with this discussion, and it's totally POV now. I state the facts and the yardstick, and you insist on being stubborn, to the point of considering local Chamber of Commerce stats over the US Census Bureau. C of C's are community boosters, never population sources. You folks have an agenda, and it's outside what everyone accepts (including the WP editors of the "List of US Cities" article). You are off base. And let me repeat: Kaldari's sources above are typed data sets from 2000 and general government brochures. My sources are recent publications and Wikipedia itself. Mason.Jones ( talk) 14:54, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
An incorporated town is an incorporated town. I don't see Kaldari's logic (nor do I find antediluvian data sets from 2000 appropriate to any current population debate). That said, I think the current inclusion of both population figures in the lead-in is helpful, and it makes the WP article "List of United States Cities by Population" more understandable. Mason.Jones ( talk) 00:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)