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There's another aception of Muse that we must add to the disambiguation, that is MuseWiki. I won't add myself because I don't quite no what it is! Khullah ( talk) 01:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
The usage of TheMuse and The Muse is under discussion, see Talk:The Daily Muse -- 65.94.168.229 ( talk) 05:28, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
User:MusenInvincible, your edits
Are breaking things and people have not accepted them. Please try to gain consensus for them here. Jytdog ( talk) 15:54, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Read carefully, It is "Muse (disambiguation)" page, not "Muses (disambiguation)" page, Then why the opening sentence written "The Muses are..."? It should be written "Muse is...
"I am talking about the page title, is it "Muse" or "Muses"? doesn't matter with the grammar because everyone can fix it
This is the disambiguation page of Muse (M-U-S-E) and the linked pages are places named Muse, people named Muse, etc. with none of them named Muses, if you search Muses, see Muses
Giving definition of 'Muses' for 'Muse' page is an obvious misleading information, and that is not relevant at all.
I don't think it's got much to do with whether the nominal title of this page is in the singular or in the plural, but per WP:MOSDAB, disambiguation entries (and, per analogy, disambiguation lead sentences describing a primary topic) shouldn't contain blue links other than the one to the target entry itself. So it's quite reasonable to argue that the lead sentence should be reduced, to the point where it offers just enough information to identify the target topic, without further encyclopedic expansion (which should be left to the target page). Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The consensus is for option A or option D but not option B or option C. There is no prejudice against opening a new RfC to discuss which of option A or option B is preferable.
The title and the opening sentence are not coherent. It might also be confusing that the title is a singular term (Muse) while the opening word is plural (The Muses) which is not following the MOS:LEADSENTENCE rule. Also I was baffled when I searched Muse page but redirected to Muses (Did I search for Muse or Muses? shouldn't it better redirected to disambiguation page). I have already discussed this above, yet there's no good consensus accepted. I have several solutions below. — MusenInvincible ( talk) 10:34, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
The Muses are the nine inspirational goddesses of literature, science, and the arts in Greek and Roman mythology.
Muse (pl. Muses) is one of the nine Ancient Greek deities of the inspiration of literature, science, and the arts.
Muse most often refers to:
- Muse (band), a British rock band
- Muses, a race of Greek deities
So should this disambiguation page only refer to the nine goddesses "Muses" as plural or as singular in the lead, or should it be both of "Muse" and "Muses" (compared to what is written in Titan (disambiguation) with the band mentioned first as the most likely target people are looking for. (See Google Search & pageviews).
Please vote and give the reason in Discussion thread. Thanks — MusenInvincible ( talk) 10:34, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Option A is fine (and coherent). The primary topic for "Muse" is the subject of the article best titled " Muses", so Muse is a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. If the plural/singular is seen as incoherent:
A Muse is one of the nine Ancient Greek deities of the inspiration of literature, science, and the arts.
would be adequate as an option D. Option C is less coherent, since there's a primary topic for Muse, and it's not the band. For that, we'd need a move request to move this disambiguation page to the base name. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 14:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Per WP:PTOPIC the Greek goddesses have a long-term significance the band lacks and should be the primary topic. ( non-admin closure) Vpab15 ( talk) 11:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Muse (disambiguation) → Muse – Muse currently redirects to Muses (the ancient Greek goddesses). However, Muse (band) sees about one and a half times as much traffic (167k vs 111k over the last 90 days [1], and of the 111k views for Muses, 48k came through Muse [2], possibly looking for Muse (band) instead) and clearly has substantial long-term significance as well. Hence, Muses is not the primary topic. As there is no primary topic, users searching for muse should land at this disambiguation page instead. ExcitedEngineer ( talk) 18:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
An editor has requested for Muse (disambiguation) to be moved to Muse. Since you had some involvement with Muse (disambiguation), you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Whether or not to move depends mostly on the question if a) Muses (the ancient Greek goddesses) is the primary topic, or b) Muses and Muse (band) are comparably significant, and there is no primary topic.
considers Donatella Versace her musebefore deciding this RM. Certes ( talk) 21:47, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
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JHunterJ, is there any reason for removing the "Science and technology" section and merging its entries into a flat "Other uses" list, which now has as many as 20 entries [2]? – Uanfala (talk) 12:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
I reverted this edit because I do not see a good reason to depart from the conventional ordering of disambiguation pages at the explanatory supplement WP:LONGDAB. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 09:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
That isn't the conventional ordering, just one user's non-consensus essay on ordering. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 16:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
@ JHunterJ: WP:BRD requires a discussion not a comment and a revert back. Note the preamble to WP:LONGDAB characterises it as an explanatory supplement. It is not "one user's non-consensus essay on ordering". I think that it should apply here, and @ Uanfala: makes a comment above in favour of a version that uses that style, so unless further consensus is to ignore the explanatory supplement, please leave the page alone. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 19:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Just an additional note re this edit: this is probably the second primary meaning of the word in English and until an article gets written on it, I don't think we should pretend the topic doesn't exist by just linking back to a section of the primary article. Also worth noting that the link to Artistic inspiration was the fourth most visited link from the dab (after the Muses, the band and the film) [3]. – Uanfala (talk) 16:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
In Homestuck (webcomic, 2009), there is a class called the Muse. Should this be included? 172.59.193.117 ( talk) 22:26, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Maliner ( talk) 18:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Muse (disambiguation) → Muse – Its been about 3 years since the previous RM so I think its time for another. The band has more views (37,229) than Muses (32,000), the web series has 2,240, the 1999 film has 1,759 Grace Jones album, the source of inspiration has 1,404, the Grace Jones album has 879, the 2017 film has 758, the MusE has 649, the Star Trek: Voyager has 512, the soundtrack has 483, the EP has 378, the headband has 358, the 2019 film has 291, the spacecraft has 213, the children's magazine has 121, the clan has 115, the building has 97, the place in Florida has 86, the Jolin Tsai album has 64, the Hong Kong magazine has 45, the place in Oklahoma has 40, the surname has 38, the Valery Leontiev album has 20, the novel has 15 and the Candy Lo album has 2[ [4]]. This clearly shows the goddesses isn't primary by usage for the singular while Muse (source of inspiration) is based on the goddesses it also has long-term significance. Most Google results are for the band though the dictionary, headband and Sheffield University also come up but the goddesses doesn't appear to. Images again mainly returns the band with apparently nothing for the goddesses. Books does appear to return some results for the goddesses but the novel comes first. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 18:25, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
"muses"predictably show results for only the mythological group, but a search for
"muse"very much does not (I count zero on the first three pages of Scholar and five on three pages of Books), instead showing other meanings like Muse cell, Multi-unit spectroscopic explorer, and Muse (source of inspiration). Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 05:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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There's another aception of Muse that we must add to the disambiguation, that is MuseWiki. I won't add myself because I don't quite no what it is! Khullah ( talk) 01:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
The usage of TheMuse and The Muse is under discussion, see Talk:The Daily Muse -- 65.94.168.229 ( talk) 05:28, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
User:MusenInvincible, your edits
Are breaking things and people have not accepted them. Please try to gain consensus for them here. Jytdog ( talk) 15:54, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Read carefully, It is "Muse (disambiguation)" page, not "Muses (disambiguation)" page, Then why the opening sentence written "The Muses are..."? It should be written "Muse is...
"I am talking about the page title, is it "Muse" or "Muses"? doesn't matter with the grammar because everyone can fix it
This is the disambiguation page of Muse (M-U-S-E) and the linked pages are places named Muse, people named Muse, etc. with none of them named Muses, if you search Muses, see Muses
Giving definition of 'Muses' for 'Muse' page is an obvious misleading information, and that is not relevant at all.
I don't think it's got much to do with whether the nominal title of this page is in the singular or in the plural, but per WP:MOSDAB, disambiguation entries (and, per analogy, disambiguation lead sentences describing a primary topic) shouldn't contain blue links other than the one to the target entry itself. So it's quite reasonable to argue that the lead sentence should be reduced, to the point where it offers just enough information to identify the target topic, without further encyclopedic expansion (which should be left to the target page). Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The consensus is for option A or option D but not option B or option C. There is no prejudice against opening a new RfC to discuss which of option A or option B is preferable.
The title and the opening sentence are not coherent. It might also be confusing that the title is a singular term (Muse) while the opening word is plural (The Muses) which is not following the MOS:LEADSENTENCE rule. Also I was baffled when I searched Muse page but redirected to Muses (Did I search for Muse or Muses? shouldn't it better redirected to disambiguation page). I have already discussed this above, yet there's no good consensus accepted. I have several solutions below. — MusenInvincible ( talk) 10:34, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
The Muses are the nine inspirational goddesses of literature, science, and the arts in Greek and Roman mythology.
Muse (pl. Muses) is one of the nine Ancient Greek deities of the inspiration of literature, science, and the arts.
Muse most often refers to:
- Muse (band), a British rock band
- Muses, a race of Greek deities
So should this disambiguation page only refer to the nine goddesses "Muses" as plural or as singular in the lead, or should it be both of "Muse" and "Muses" (compared to what is written in Titan (disambiguation) with the band mentioned first as the most likely target people are looking for. (See Google Search & pageviews).
Please vote and give the reason in Discussion thread. Thanks — MusenInvincible ( talk) 10:34, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Option A is fine (and coherent). The primary topic for "Muse" is the subject of the article best titled " Muses", so Muse is a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. If the plural/singular is seen as incoherent:
A Muse is one of the nine Ancient Greek deities of the inspiration of literature, science, and the arts.
would be adequate as an option D. Option C is less coherent, since there's a primary topic for Muse, and it's not the band. For that, we'd need a move request to move this disambiguation page to the base name. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 14:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Per WP:PTOPIC the Greek goddesses have a long-term significance the band lacks and should be the primary topic. ( non-admin closure) Vpab15 ( talk) 11:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Muse (disambiguation) → Muse – Muse currently redirects to Muses (the ancient Greek goddesses). However, Muse (band) sees about one and a half times as much traffic (167k vs 111k over the last 90 days [1], and of the 111k views for Muses, 48k came through Muse [2], possibly looking for Muse (band) instead) and clearly has substantial long-term significance as well. Hence, Muses is not the primary topic. As there is no primary topic, users searching for muse should land at this disambiguation page instead. ExcitedEngineer ( talk) 18:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
An editor has requested for Muse (disambiguation) to be moved to Muse. Since you had some involvement with Muse (disambiguation), you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Whether or not to move depends mostly on the question if a) Muses (the ancient Greek goddesses) is the primary topic, or b) Muses and Muse (band) are comparably significant, and there is no primary topic.
considers Donatella Versace her musebefore deciding this RM. Certes ( talk) 21:47, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
References
JHunterJ, is there any reason for removing the "Science and technology" section and merging its entries into a flat "Other uses" list, which now has as many as 20 entries [2]? – Uanfala (talk) 12:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
I reverted this edit because I do not see a good reason to depart from the conventional ordering of disambiguation pages at the explanatory supplement WP:LONGDAB. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 09:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
That isn't the conventional ordering, just one user's non-consensus essay on ordering. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 16:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
@ JHunterJ: WP:BRD requires a discussion not a comment and a revert back. Note the preamble to WP:LONGDAB characterises it as an explanatory supplement. It is not "one user's non-consensus essay on ordering". I think that it should apply here, and @ Uanfala: makes a comment above in favour of a version that uses that style, so unless further consensus is to ignore the explanatory supplement, please leave the page alone. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 19:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Just an additional note re this edit: this is probably the second primary meaning of the word in English and until an article gets written on it, I don't think we should pretend the topic doesn't exist by just linking back to a section of the primary article. Also worth noting that the link to Artistic inspiration was the fourth most visited link from the dab (after the Muses, the band and the film) [3]. – Uanfala (talk) 16:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
In Homestuck (webcomic, 2009), there is a class called the Muse. Should this be included? 172.59.193.117 ( talk) 22:26, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Maliner ( talk) 18:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Muse (disambiguation) → Muse – Its been about 3 years since the previous RM so I think its time for another. The band has more views (37,229) than Muses (32,000), the web series has 2,240, the 1999 film has 1,759 Grace Jones album, the source of inspiration has 1,404, the Grace Jones album has 879, the 2017 film has 758, the MusE has 649, the Star Trek: Voyager has 512, the soundtrack has 483, the EP has 378, the headband has 358, the 2019 film has 291, the spacecraft has 213, the children's magazine has 121, the clan has 115, the building has 97, the place in Florida has 86, the Jolin Tsai album has 64, the Hong Kong magazine has 45, the place in Oklahoma has 40, the surname has 38, the Valery Leontiev album has 20, the novel has 15 and the Candy Lo album has 2[ [4]]. This clearly shows the goddesses isn't primary by usage for the singular while Muse (source of inspiration) is based on the goddesses it also has long-term significance. Most Google results are for the band though the dictionary, headband and Sheffield University also come up but the goddesses doesn't appear to. Images again mainly returns the band with apparently nothing for the goddesses. Books does appear to return some results for the goddesses but the novel comes first. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 18:25, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
"muses"predictably show results for only the mythological group, but a search for
"muse"very much does not (I count zero on the first three pages of Scholar and five on three pages of Books), instead showing other meanings like Muse cell, Multi-unit spectroscopic explorer, and Muse (source of inspiration). Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 05:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)